| KC | 08-17-2004 01:11 PM |
AWDrifter21 is not into auto-x and I don't think he knows what auto-x is. He's into drifting (after researching a few posts). I also have a hunch he doesn't know much about tires. (Ie: he asked what treadware meant in another thread).
What I ask AWDrifter21 is: what is your positon in Hankook? What do you do?
I have a VERY funny feeling that Hankook in the US and overseas do not have auto-x in mind with these tires, based on them selecting AWDrifter21 to 'test' them... when he says a little at Englishtown for drifiting and a little on the miniature road course (as I call it a large kart track). If AWDrifter21 is in any position to make a determination on the market of these tires, I don't think that auot-x is in their view, again, based on what AWDrifter21 is stating.
I would very much like to speak to someone at Hankook US to help them know the market out there is MUCH larger than drifting. If AWDrifter21 would liek to give me a phone number to their marketing dept, I will give them a call.
--kC
What I ask AWDrifter21 is: what is your positon in Hankook? What do you do?
I have a VERY funny feeling that Hankook in the US and overseas do not have auto-x in mind with these tires, based on them selecting AWDrifter21 to 'test' them... when he says a little at Englishtown for drifiting and a little on the miniature road course (as I call it a large kart track). If AWDrifter21 is in any position to make a determination on the market of these tires, I don't think that auot-x is in their view, again, based on what AWDrifter21 is stating.
I would very much like to speak to someone at Hankook US to help them know the market out there is MUCH larger than drifting. If AWDrifter21 would liek to give me a phone number to their marketing dept, I will give them a call.
--kC
| thechickencow | 08-17-2004 01:19 PM |
I'm now a semi-dealer for hankook/nokian, and I'll let you guys know ASAP when I can get you tires to test out. So far they haven't made it here yet.
Personally I'm more interested in the alleged hankook rally tires. Sure looks like a lot of empty space in the tread on that tire to me.
Jay
Personally I'm more interested in the alleged hankook rally tires. Sure looks like a lot of empty space in the tread on that tire to me.
Jay
| trhoppe | 08-17-2004 01:30 PM |
[QUOTE=Corey]I will decode Tom's message for you.:lol:[/quote]
Thanks, I didn't want to use that many words. My brain is tired today :)
The cow will save us all.....
-Tom
Thanks, I didn't want to use that many words. My brain is tired today :)
The cow will save us all.....
-Tom
| trhoppe | 08-17-2004 01:34 PM |
This also reminds me of when I contacted Falken about a possible sponsorship for their Azenis Sport tires and was asked "What shows do you go to?". When I responded with "I race my car rather then taking it to shows" I was told that "Falken is not interested"
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 08-17-2004 01:47 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]This also reminds me of when I contacted Falken about a possible sponsorship for their Azenis Sport tires and was asked "What shows do you go to?". When I responded with "I race my car rather then taking it to shows" I was told that "Falken is not interested"
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Yep, I got the same thing.
Hello... we actually DRIVE on them!
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Yep, I got the same thing.
Hello... we actually DRIVE on them!
| Butt Dyno | 08-17-2004 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]This also reminds me of when I contacted Falken about a possible sponsorship for their Azenis Sport tires and was asked "What shows do you go to?". When I responded with "I race my car rather then taking it to shows" I was told that "Falken is not interested"[/quote]Tell them that autocross is just the American version of drifting, and then you'll be set.
Falken had a booth at Rev It Up, you'd think they would take a stronger interest in autox.
john
Falken had a booth at Rev It Up, you'd think they would take a stronger interest in autox.
john
| stxwrxracer | 08-17-2004 03:00 PM |
AWDrifter21- I just thought...Do those Hankooks actually have a DOT stamp on them? Since they are pre-production, there are very stiff penalties ($50,000 per tire) if federal guidelines have not been followed and something happens while they are in your possession. Just make sure you signed all the contracts and waivers you could have signed before using them. It was like when I was talking to the Mazda Rev-It-Up guys about a set of FK451 takeoffs and they mentioned that they couldn't even give me a set since none of the Falkens being run were "DOT approved." No DOT stamping of any kind and only for MRIU use. Trust me...that was a true statement I got. I don't even know if we could legally test the Hankooks you have even is you sent them to us to test, strictly because of that detail...so, anyway, best of luck. And do provide us feedback, whatever it is...
-MK
-MK
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 05:44 PM |
I am not into auto-x that much and I asked about treadware because I dont know A LOT about details of tires. sure i work for Hankook Tire, but im a Logisitics Accout Coordinator, but I assist the Marketing with what I can from my experience other than just tires.
Hankook is MORE into auto-x , they sponsor the Mazda Miata Auto-x events nationwide. so do your research before posting your "facts"
Why are you guys making a big deal of this "testing" and I never said I will determine the marketing of these tires. If you read the other posts i stated I am not doing ANY official testing and my opinions and comments go nothign towards the development of these tires. They gave me a damn set to see how I like it. and like what others are saying with me, Hankook is doing their own testing in Korea on these tires. thats it. I know some people and they gave me a set to test and asking my opinion on it. and like I said before, my opinions will not be into the production of the tire at all. Damn, you are like an annoying little boy complaining and complaing. :banana:
and, ok so I dont know all details about a tire, big deal. I got tires from my company , thats the point, i wanted to share that these Z212s are coming out and thats it... damn.....
Hankook is MORE into auto-x , they sponsor the Mazda Miata Auto-x events nationwide. so do your research before posting your "facts"
Why are you guys making a big deal of this "testing" and I never said I will determine the marketing of these tires. If you read the other posts i stated I am not doing ANY official testing and my opinions and comments go nothign towards the development of these tires. They gave me a damn set to see how I like it. and like what others are saying with me, Hankook is doing their own testing in Korea on these tires. thats it. I know some people and they gave me a set to test and asking my opinion on it. and like I said before, my opinions will not be into the production of the tire at all. Damn, you are like an annoying little boy complaining and complaing. :banana:
and, ok so I dont know all details about a tire, big deal. I got tires from my company , thats the point, i wanted to share that these Z212s are coming out and thats it... damn.....
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 05:49 PM |
I did post to tell you that I go a set of Z212s and so show you guys that it is coming. This is a public forum and I am not here to market anything. a lot of you guys have been asking about Z212 so I wanted to show pics and let you guys know that I am going to try the tires out at the drag strip, and the course at etown, (you guys can dis etown roadcourse, or go-kart course, but I have no where else to go that is closer). and I am not Hankook, I am just an employee sharing what I got from my company.
Thanks for understanding that I am not speaking of any authority from Hankook and that Hankook is doing all official testing. and I really dont know why Hankook is not doing testing by the successful ST class in the country.
Thanks for understanding that I am not speaking of any authority from Hankook and that Hankook is doing all official testing. and I really dont know why Hankook is not doing testing by the successful ST class in the country.
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 05:54 PM |
YEs they do have a DOT on them and from what I know they are legal to use.
Ill give my feedback on these tires, but I just hope when I post my feedback , that people like KC "genius of tire" doesnt put me down for my feedback. I just want to share with you guys and all and not argue with people like KC.
Ill give my feedback on these tires, but I just hope when I post my feedback , that people like KC "genius of tire" doesnt put me down for my feedback. I just want to share with you guys and all and not argue with people like KC.
| trhoppe | 08-17-2004 05:59 PM |
Sweet. KC shall be known as "genius of tire" from now on.
-Tom
-Tom
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 06:01 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Sweet. KC shall be known as "genius of tire" from now on.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
haha :D
-Tom[/QUOTE]
haha :D
| MNbiker | 08-17-2004 06:20 PM |
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]I am not into auto-x that much and I asked about treadware because I dont know A LOT about details of tires. sure i work for Hankook Tire, but im a Logisitics Accout Coordinator, but I assist the Marketing with what I can from my experience other than just tires.
Hankook is MORE into auto-x , they sponsor the Mazda Miata Auto-x events nationwide. so do your research before posting your "facts"
Why are you guys making a big deal of this "testing" and I never said I will determine the marketing of these tires. If you read the other posts i stated I am not doing ANY official testing and my opinions and comments go nothign towards the development of these tires. They gave me a damn set to see how I like it. and like what others are saying with me, Hankook is doing their own testing in Korea on these tires. thats it. I know some people and they gave me a set to test and asking my opinion on it. and like I said before, my opinions will not be into the production of the tire at all. Damn, you are like an annoying little boy complaining and complaing. :banana:
and, ok so I dont know all details about a tire, big deal. I got free tires from my company , thats the point, i wanted to share that these Z212s are coming out and thats it... damn.....[/QUOTE]
AWDrifter21, you're playing to a tough audience. FWIW - the reason you're being given some grief is that you posted in the MOTORSPORTS forum. A large percentage of the folks who hang out here actually participate in competitive autosports events, and are pretty knowledgeable about the topic. A number of folks on this board have been promised test and/or early release tires by Hankook in the past 2 years - promises that have not been kept. So there's a bit of cynicism, regarding Hankook's release of these tires.
For future reference, your post would have undoubtedly been better received in the TIRE & WHEEL forum, where pictures and informal test results would have been more the norm. We hardcores, on the other hand, want facts!
-Steve
p.s. Please note - Hankook DOES NOT sponsor autox events. They sponsor the Mazdaspeed Miata Cup, which is a road racing series.
Hankook is MORE into auto-x , they sponsor the Mazda Miata Auto-x events nationwide. so do your research before posting your "facts"
Why are you guys making a big deal of this "testing" and I never said I will determine the marketing of these tires. If you read the other posts i stated I am not doing ANY official testing and my opinions and comments go nothign towards the development of these tires. They gave me a damn set to see how I like it. and like what others are saying with me, Hankook is doing their own testing in Korea on these tires. thats it. I know some people and they gave me a set to test and asking my opinion on it. and like I said before, my opinions will not be into the production of the tire at all. Damn, you are like an annoying little boy complaining and complaing. :banana:
and, ok so I dont know all details about a tire, big deal. I got free tires from my company , thats the point, i wanted to share that these Z212s are coming out and thats it... damn.....[/QUOTE]
AWDrifter21, you're playing to a tough audience. FWIW - the reason you're being given some grief is that you posted in the MOTORSPORTS forum. A large percentage of the folks who hang out here actually participate in competitive autosports events, and are pretty knowledgeable about the topic. A number of folks on this board have been promised test and/or early release tires by Hankook in the past 2 years - promises that have not been kept. So there's a bit of cynicism, regarding Hankook's release of these tires.
For future reference, your post would have undoubtedly been better received in the TIRE & WHEEL forum, where pictures and informal test results would have been more the norm. We hardcores, on the other hand, want facts!
-Steve
p.s. Please note - Hankook DOES NOT sponsor autox events. They sponsor the Mazdaspeed Miata Cup, which is a road racing series.
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 06:53 PM |
[QUOTE=MNbiker]AWDrifter21, you're playing to a tough audience. FWIW - the reason you're being given some grief is that you posted in the MOTORSPORTS forum. A large percentage of the folks who hang out here actually participate in competitive autosports events, and are pretty knowledgeable about the topic. A number of folks on this board have been promised test and/or early release tires by Hankook in the past 2 years - promises that have not been kept. So there's a bit of cynicism, regarding Hankook's release of these tires.
For future reference, your post would have undoubtedly been better received in the TIRE & WHEEL forum, where pictures and informal test results would have been more the norm. We hardcores, on the other hand, want facts!
-Steve
p.s. Please note - Hankook DOES NOT sponsor autox events. They sponsor the Mazdaspeed Miata Cup, which is a road racing series.[/QUOTE]
understandable... and I actually did post it in the tire/wheel thread, but wanted to let you guys know as well. thanx for the reply...
For future reference, your post would have undoubtedly been better received in the TIRE & WHEEL forum, where pictures and informal test results would have been more the norm. We hardcores, on the other hand, want facts!
-Steve
p.s. Please note - Hankook DOES NOT sponsor autox events. They sponsor the Mazdaspeed Miata Cup, which is a road racing series.[/QUOTE]
understandable... and I actually did post it in the tire/wheel thread, but wanted to let you guys know as well. thanx for the reply...
| KC | 08-17-2004 07:24 PM |
Oh hey, no harm, no foul. :)
I have no tact... that's my biggest downfall. I just go out and say what's on my mind.
Do we want these tires we were told well over a year ago? Hell yeah.
But like Steve said, they don't do anything with auto-x right now. Last year they would have given some contingency to those running their tires... but the problem was, they didn't have a tire that could compete with the BFG TA/KDs, Azenis or Kumho MXs. This new tire is one that we've been waiting for becuase competition in the tire industry, is NOT a bad thing. ;)
So with baited breath, we wait yet again. :)
--kC
(Retreats to under bridge awaiting another unsuspecting poster.) :devil:
I have no tact... that's my biggest downfall. I just go out and say what's on my mind.
Do we want these tires we were told well over a year ago? Hell yeah.
But like Steve said, they don't do anything with auto-x right now. Last year they would have given some contingency to those running their tires... but the problem was, they didn't have a tire that could compete with the BFG TA/KDs, Azenis or Kumho MXs. This new tire is one that we've been waiting for becuase competition in the tire industry, is NOT a bad thing. ;)
So with baited breath, we wait yet again. :)
--kC
(Retreats to under bridge awaiting another unsuspecting poster.) :devil:
| KC | 08-17-2004 07:26 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Sweet. KC shall be known as "genius of tire" from now on.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Where's my diploma dammit! :D
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Where's my diploma dammit! :D
| AWDrifter21 | 08-17-2004 08:02 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Oh hey, no harm, no foul. :)
I have no tact... that's my biggest downfall. I just go out and say what's on my mind.
Do we want these tires we were told well over a year ago? Hell yeah.
But like Steve said, they don't do anything with auto-x right now. Last year they would have given some contingency to those running their tires... but the problem was, they didn't have a tire that could compete with the BFG TA/KDs, Azenis or Kumho MXs. This new tire is one that we've been waiting for becuase competition in the tire industry, is NOT a bad thing. ;)
So with baited breath, we wait yet again. :)
--kC
(Retreats to under bridge awaiting another unsuspecting poster.) :devil:[/QUOTE]
no harm, no foul :cool:
i really didnt realize i posted up in Motorsports until after a few replies. Im not so techinical about tires and I realize I also should know what Im talking about before saying things. either way. if I hear any FACTS for you guys, i will let you be the first to know. I just got some pretty lighe gram lights 57S, not too heavy...17x7.5 , ill let you guys know how these Z212s are asap.
I have no tact... that's my biggest downfall. I just go out and say what's on my mind.
Do we want these tires we were told well over a year ago? Hell yeah.
But like Steve said, they don't do anything with auto-x right now. Last year they would have given some contingency to those running their tires... but the problem was, they didn't have a tire that could compete with the BFG TA/KDs, Azenis or Kumho MXs. This new tire is one that we've been waiting for becuase competition in the tire industry, is NOT a bad thing. ;)
So with baited breath, we wait yet again. :)
--kC
(Retreats to under bridge awaiting another unsuspecting poster.) :devil:[/QUOTE]
no harm, no foul :cool:
i really didnt realize i posted up in Motorsports until after a few replies. Im not so techinical about tires and I realize I also should know what Im talking about before saying things. either way. if I hear any FACTS for you guys, i will let you be the first to know. I just got some pretty lighe gram lights 57S, not too heavy...17x7.5 , ill let you guys know how these Z212s are asap.
| Orion | 08-17-2004 08:11 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]This also reminds me of when I contacted Falken about a possible sponsorship for their Azenis Sport tires and was asked "What shows do you go to?". When I responded with "I race my car rather then taking it to shows" I was told that "Falken is not interested"
-Tom[/QUOTE]
A bit OT, (since there's no real useful info here):
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
A bit OT, (since there's no real useful info here):
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 12:54 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Where's my diploma dammit! :D[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.tomhoppe.com/misc%20pics/tire.jpg[/img]
-Tom
[img]http://www.tomhoppe.com/misc%20pics/tire.jpg[/img]
-Tom
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 12:55 AM |
[QUOTE=Orion]A bit OT, (since there's no real useful info here):
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?[/QUOTE]
About 6 months ago. Called Falken's Marketing department.
-Tom
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?[/QUOTE]
About 6 months ago. Called Falken's Marketing department.
-Tom
| Orion | 08-18-2004 08:07 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]About 6 months ago. Called Falken's Marketing department.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Interesting. We even had a section on their web page (Texas Subaru Motorsports). Yes, they were FAR more interested in shows, but they knew the Azenis were excellent street tires.
After about a year it became harder to get them though. The person we dealt with moved to a new position and from then on we had to 'apply' everytime we needed tires. That's one major reason you don't see me on them today. Kumho has been getting my $$$ ever since.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Interesting. We even had a section on their web page (Texas Subaru Motorsports). Yes, they were FAR more interested in shows, but they knew the Azenis were excellent street tires.
After about a year it became harder to get them though. The person we dealt with moved to a new position and from then on we had to 'apply' everytime we needed tires. That's one major reason you don't see me on them today. Kumho has been getting my $$$ ever since.
| Fred | 08-18-2004 08:24 AM |
You guys are so entertaining. :lol:
| stxwrxracer | 08-18-2004 09:04 AM |
Orion- I thinks it like when a guy in a short sleeve white shirt, with a thin black tie, riding a beach cruiser, comes sporting up your driveway to your door trying to "save you." You(I) just run and take cover until they finally give up and go away.... :devil:
Tom, change your shirt b4 you call Falken next time...mmmkay? :D:p
-MK
[QUOTE=Orion]A bit OT, (since there's no real useful info here):
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?[/QUOTE]
Tom, change your shirt b4 you call Falken next time...mmmkay? :D:p
-MK
[QUOTE=Orion]A bit OT, (since there's no real useful info here):
That's interesting. We had 15 of us in Houston getting them at cost directly from Falken specifically FOR racing. When was this?[/QUOTE]
| AWDrifter21 | 08-18-2004 12:52 PM |
man... i dont know who it is, but someone must be a kid in this forum. I post up I got some tires from my company to try out and then when I get to work, I hear that phone calls after phone calls to Hankook staff and other people about , they shoudl have got the tires to test. You dont see people complaining about someone who works at compusa got a free optical mouse and then peopel complaing to his company that they shoudl have gotten an optical mouse (jokes aside)
are you guys that upset that I got a set of tires. why don't you guys relax and wait til it officially comes out and then test it. You guys go call up my company and even complain about you should have been testing them out? childish and immature. This is the last time ill share information..... jealousy is lame
are you guys that upset that I got a set of tires. why don't you guys relax and wait til it officially comes out and then test it. You guys go call up my company and even complain about you should have been testing them out? childish and immature. This is the last time ill share information..... jealousy is lame
| KC | 08-18-2004 01:02 PM |
Damn... maybe someone shouldn't have bragged about getting them in the 1st place? ;)
You didn't share any information that I can read tho... sharing information means something we can use to make our own judgements on based on results... you just said "hey, look here guys! I have tires and you don't!!! Neener! Neener Nee-ner!" (Yes, this is actualyl what it does sound like.)
The people that probably called were most likely [B]promised[/B] tires to test by people higher than you on the food chain within the company. When your post hit this board (and it spread to quite a few other forums actually) it's understandable that those that were promised some to test are probably asking your company... not only on this forum, but other forums too.
[QUOTE]When are they getting tires to test as promised?[/QUOTE]
You posted... you opened the can of worms by saying you had them. They called. Who's fault is that? I would be a little miffed too.... if I were promised some. Then come to find out someone with hardly any motorsports reputation got some 'to test' as you said.
I wouldn't call that jealousy tho. Not in the least. Just contacting the company to find out what's up to see what the story is. Nothing more.
Hopefully, you didn't get in any trouble over it.
--kC
You didn't share any information that I can read tho... sharing information means something we can use to make our own judgements on based on results... you just said "hey, look here guys! I have tires and you don't!!! Neener! Neener Nee-ner!" (Yes, this is actualyl what it does sound like.)
The people that probably called were most likely [B]promised[/B] tires to test by people higher than you on the food chain within the company. When your post hit this board (and it spread to quite a few other forums actually) it's understandable that those that were promised some to test are probably asking your company... not only on this forum, but other forums too.
[QUOTE]When are they getting tires to test as promised?[/QUOTE]
You posted... you opened the can of worms by saying you had them. They called. Who's fault is that? I would be a little miffed too.... if I were promised some. Then come to find out someone with hardly any motorsports reputation got some 'to test' as you said.
I wouldn't call that jealousy tho. Not in the least. Just contacting the company to find out what's up to see what the story is. Nothing more.
Hopefully, you didn't get in any trouble over it.
--kC
| AWDrifter21 | 08-18-2004 01:16 PM |
nah, no trouble, but i was happy to show i got tires to try out and see how they are. and then the next day people call up saying they should be testing. I hope i was clear before, I DO NOT OFFICIAL TESTING....... and the word promise means nothing in the business world... maybe amongst friends and all, but the word promise means absolutely nothing in a business. paper and pen or somethign written down is what equals a promise.
If I sounded like I was bragging, i definitely did not want to because like you said, I am not high experienced autocrosser. and KC, cmon, i never said "i have these tires and you don't", but i know what you mean.....
i opened the can of worms to say, "hey, the ventus Z212s are in production and coming and I got a set to try out and Ill let you know how they are when I test them out myself at the track, dragstrip, etc." I used to be fooled by the word PROMISE in a business, but words mean nothing, sorry guys.
I don't know what you would call it then if it is not jealousy?
" I should have gotten to test those tires first"
"why does he get to test them first"
" I was promised that first"
in general, its jealousy inside.....
What was the story? what story? there is no story. I stated it in my first post.
I got a set of Z212s from Korea to test out and see how they are. thats it.
but thanx KC for the reply.
If I sounded like I was bragging, i definitely did not want to because like you said, I am not high experienced autocrosser. and KC, cmon, i never said "i have these tires and you don't", but i know what you mean.....
i opened the can of worms to say, "hey, the ventus Z212s are in production and coming and I got a set to try out and Ill let you know how they are when I test them out myself at the track, dragstrip, etc." I used to be fooled by the word PROMISE in a business, but words mean nothing, sorry guys.
I don't know what you would call it then if it is not jealousy?
" I should have gotten to test those tires first"
"why does he get to test them first"
" I was promised that first"
in general, its jealousy inside.....
What was the story? what story? there is no story. I stated it in my first post.
I got a set of Z212s from Korea to test out and see how they are. thats it.
but thanx KC for the reply.
| jcroy66 | 08-18-2004 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]and the word promise means nothing in the business world... maybe amongst friends and all, but the word promise means absolutely nothing in a business.[/QUOTE]
When a business takes that kind of attitude with their customers and potential customers, that's an excellent way to end up with a lot fewer customers.
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]I don't know what you would call it then if it is not jealousy?
" I should have gotten to test those tires first"
"why does he get to test them first"
" I was promised that first"
[/QUOTE]
While I don't know who called or their motivations, I highly doubt it is jealousy. After all, the tires aren't eligible for competition this year. So it's not like someone wants to get a set of tires prior to Nationals. Wouldn't do the competitor a bit of good.
But it could have done [B]Hankook[/B] a LOT of good. If independent testing by a nationally competitive ST driver prior to Nationals were to show them to be a viable alternative to the Falkens, then that news would be spread far and wide among the ST drivers at Nationals. Those drivers would likely go back home and tell the ST drivers in their region. It could have been great PR for Hankook, resulting in lots of orders for tires for next season.
When a business takes that kind of attitude with their customers and potential customers, that's an excellent way to end up with a lot fewer customers.
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]I don't know what you would call it then if it is not jealousy?
" I should have gotten to test those tires first"
"why does he get to test them first"
" I was promised that first"
[/QUOTE]
While I don't know who called or their motivations, I highly doubt it is jealousy. After all, the tires aren't eligible for competition this year. So it's not like someone wants to get a set of tires prior to Nationals. Wouldn't do the competitor a bit of good.
But it could have done [B]Hankook[/B] a LOT of good. If independent testing by a nationally competitive ST driver prior to Nationals were to show them to be a viable alternative to the Falkens, then that news would be spread far and wide among the ST drivers at Nationals. Those drivers would likely go back home and tell the ST drivers in their region. It could have been great PR for Hankook, resulting in lots of orders for tires for next season.
| Butt Dyno | 08-18-2004 01:46 PM |
So.. do we have reason to believe that this is going to be an Azenis killer? Or just something marketed as a "tuner" tire?
The tread pattern looks a lot like the S03 PP's and those are not the greatest ST* tire *wildly speculating*
If they really had the ST* market in mind I'd think they would try harder..
john
The tread pattern looks a lot like the S03 PP's and those are not the greatest ST* tire *wildly speculating*
If they really had the ST* market in mind I'd think they would try harder..
john
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 01:46 PM |
I'm sure *whoever* called their contact at Hankook didn't do it out of jealousy.
He was just curious why someone got a set of tires, when the people that were told they would get some for testing havent, and I'm sure he was wondering if it was still possible for him to get a set to test :)
-Tom
He was just curious why someone got a set of tires, when the people that were told they would get some for testing havent, and I'm sure he was wondering if it was still possible for him to get a set to test :)
-Tom
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 02:00 PM |
Tread pattern means nothing :) Its all about the rubba.
IMHO these will be even time wise with the azenis. If they are an azenis "killer" they will go on the exclusion list.
-Tom
IMHO these will be even time wise with the azenis. If they are an azenis "killer" they will go on the exclusion list.
-Tom
| KC | 08-18-2004 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Tread pattern means nothing :) Its all about the rubba.
IMHO these will be even time wise with the azenis. If they are an azenis "killer" they will go on the exclusion list.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Can't say that if they meet treadware and size rules.
IMHO these will be even time wise with the azenis. If they are an azenis "killer" they will go on the exclusion list.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Can't say that if they meet treadware and size rules.
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 02:22 PM |
The exclusion list is made specifically for cheater tires that are the correct treadwear but are too fast4r.
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 08-18-2004 02:38 PM |
Faster than what? :) I can't say for certain we have the fastest tires in the class right now. Aren't there rumors floating around about a new Azenis compound? Then what?
--KC
--KC
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 02:39 PM |
Just plain fast4r.
Just like the SRT4
-Tom
Just like the SRT4
-Tom
| AWDrifter21 | 08-18-2004 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]When a business takes that kind of attitude with their customers and potential customers, that's an excellent way to end up with a lot fewer customers.
While I don't know who called or their motivations, I highly doubt it is jealousy. After all, the tires aren't eligible for competition this year. So it's not like someone wants to get a set of tires prior to Nationals. Wouldn't do the competitor a bit of good.
But it could have done [B]Hankook[/B] a LOT of good. If independent testing by a nationally competitive ST driver prior to Nationals were to show them to be a viable alternative to the Falkens, then that news would be spread far and wide among the ST drivers at Nationals. Those drivers would likely go back home and tell the ST drivers in their region. It could have been great PR for Hankook, resulting in lots of orders for tires for next season.[/QUOTE]
Well I am nowhere near to make any decisions or promises like that. But promises are not guarantees. sure, maybe it was not jealousy, but it was part of a complaint. so if it was eligible for this and that and letting them get a set wouldnt do any good, then why complain that I got the set and they didn't.
Sure maybe if Hankook did testing as what you have stated it would do good, but Hankook is very smart in their decisions from what I learned and they must have their reasons on why they did not do testing by a nationally competitive ST driver (maybe they did and they didnt publically announce it, idk) I believe Hankook wants to show their tires are great by our technology and design and maybe their main goal is not to just beat the competition, but to actually show our tires are high quality even when you compare it to other tires.
True maybe if Hankook did something this way and that way, it could have been better, but like i said, i have no say in those major decisions and bigger and higher men do and I believe their decisions since Hankook has been increasing in all categories lately.
While I don't know who called or their motivations, I highly doubt it is jealousy. After all, the tires aren't eligible for competition this year. So it's not like someone wants to get a set of tires prior to Nationals. Wouldn't do the competitor a bit of good.
But it could have done [B]Hankook[/B] a LOT of good. If independent testing by a nationally competitive ST driver prior to Nationals were to show them to be a viable alternative to the Falkens, then that news would be spread far and wide among the ST drivers at Nationals. Those drivers would likely go back home and tell the ST drivers in their region. It could have been great PR for Hankook, resulting in lots of orders for tires for next season.[/QUOTE]
Well I am nowhere near to make any decisions or promises like that. But promises are not guarantees. sure, maybe it was not jealousy, but it was part of a complaint. so if it was eligible for this and that and letting them get a set wouldnt do any good, then why complain that I got the set and they didn't.
Sure maybe if Hankook did testing as what you have stated it would do good, but Hankook is very smart in their decisions from what I learned and they must have their reasons on why they did not do testing by a nationally competitive ST driver (maybe they did and they didnt publically announce it, idk) I believe Hankook wants to show their tires are great by our technology and design and maybe their main goal is not to just beat the competition, but to actually show our tires are high quality even when you compare it to other tires.
True maybe if Hankook did something this way and that way, it could have been better, but like i said, i have no say in those major decisions and bigger and higher men do and I believe their decisions since Hankook has been increasing in all categories lately.
| AWDrifter21 | 08-18-2004 02:48 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I'm sure *whoever* called their contact at Hankook didn't do it out of jealousy.
He was just curious why someone got a set of tires, when the people that were told they would get some for testing havent, and I'm sure he was wondering if it was still possible for him to get a set to test :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I hope they didn't do it out of jealousy, but is just sounded like it.
Its one thing to be curious and ask about the tires, but then complaining about that I got a set before them. cmon now. :disco:
Also testing a tire by giving it to a professional driver/autox'ser or whomever, much more detail testing needs to be involved then just taking it on a track and getting opinions. I personally do not know what is involved in testing, but again, i believe Hankook Tire Corp. has done more than enough testing to give a go for these Z212s, thus given the fact why I was given a set of Z212s to try out to see how they were. I was not given the set for OFFICIAL testing as others think i was, i was given to test on my own personal opinions and from experience. Sure I am not a professional and "genius of tire" (HAHA :lol: ), but I can tell basic feel, stability, stiffness, etc of a tire.
damn, from posting a picture of a set of tires goes into a debate like this... man... u guys are hardcore , keke.
You guys are still cool anyways, :banana:
He was just curious why someone got a set of tires, when the people that were told they would get some for testing havent, and I'm sure he was wondering if it was still possible for him to get a set to test :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I hope they didn't do it out of jealousy, but is just sounded like it.
Its one thing to be curious and ask about the tires, but then complaining about that I got a set before them. cmon now. :disco:
Also testing a tire by giving it to a professional driver/autox'ser or whomever, much more detail testing needs to be involved then just taking it on a track and getting opinions. I personally do not know what is involved in testing, but again, i believe Hankook Tire Corp. has done more than enough testing to give a go for these Z212s, thus given the fact why I was given a set of Z212s to try out to see how they were. I was not given the set for OFFICIAL testing as others think i was, i was given to test on my own personal opinions and from experience. Sure I am not a professional and "genius of tire" (HAHA :lol: ), but I can tell basic feel, stability, stiffness, etc of a tire.
damn, from posting a picture of a set of tires goes into a debate like this... man... u guys are hardcore , keke.
You guys are still cool anyways, :banana:
| TyrannoSullyRex | 08-18-2004 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Tread pattern means nothing :) Its all about the rubba.[/QUOTE]
you've obviously never driven on a (full tread) V700.
you've obviously never driven on a (full tread) V700.
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 02:56 PM |
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]you've obviously never driven on a (full tread) V700.[/QUOTE]
Nope, always shaved them as recommended ;)
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom
Nope, always shaved them as recommended ;)
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom
| ratt_finkel | 08-18-2004 03:02 PM |
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]I hope they didn't do it out of jealousy, but is just sounded like it.
Its one thing to be curious and ask about the tires, but then complaining about that I got a set before them. cmon now. :disco:
Also testing a tire by giving it to a professional driver/autox'ser or whomever, much more detail testing needs to be involved then just taking it on a track and getting opinions. I personally do not know what is involved in testing, but again, i believe Hankook Tire Corp. has done more than enough testing to give a go for these Z212s, thus given the fact why I was given a set of Z212s to try out to see how they were. I was not given the set for OFFICIAL testing as others think i was, i was given to test on my own personal opinions and from experience. Sure I am not a professional and "genius of tire" (HAHA :lol: ), but I can tell basic feel, stability, stiffness, etc of a tire.
damn, from posting a picture of a set of tires goes into a debate like this... man... u guys are hardcore , keke.
You guys are still cool anyways, :banana:[/QUOTE]
It's quite simple. You test your tire in direct comparison with the market leaders right now. Falken, Kumho, etc. Run maybe 10 laps or more per tire. In the same car, with the same driver. Even if they aren't as great as the Falkens. This would go along ways for making Hankook look more respectable among drivers.
And if they are better, well shyt. They are gonna have their hands full with orders next year.
Its one thing to be curious and ask about the tires, but then complaining about that I got a set before them. cmon now. :disco:
Also testing a tire by giving it to a professional driver/autox'ser or whomever, much more detail testing needs to be involved then just taking it on a track and getting opinions. I personally do not know what is involved in testing, but again, i believe Hankook Tire Corp. has done more than enough testing to give a go for these Z212s, thus given the fact why I was given a set of Z212s to try out to see how they were. I was not given the set for OFFICIAL testing as others think i was, i was given to test on my own personal opinions and from experience. Sure I am not a professional and "genius of tire" (HAHA :lol: ), but I can tell basic feel, stability, stiffness, etc of a tire.
damn, from posting a picture of a set of tires goes into a debate like this... man... u guys are hardcore , keke.
You guys are still cool anyways, :banana:[/QUOTE]
It's quite simple. You test your tire in direct comparison with the market leaders right now. Falken, Kumho, etc. Run maybe 10 laps or more per tire. In the same car, with the same driver. Even if they aren't as great as the Falkens. This would go along ways for making Hankook look more respectable among drivers.
And if they are better, well shyt. They are gonna have their hands full with orders next year.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 08-18-2004 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Nope, always shaved them as recommended ;)
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say quite a bit, but definitely slower. But the feel of a full tread Azeni isn't creepy weird like a full tread V700.
Just looking at the Hankook tire's pictures, they seem to be molded to pretty shallow a tread, plus the soft cuts on the inner tread blocks would prevent squirm somewhat. Dammit, he took down the picture.
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say quite a bit, but definitely slower. But the feel of a full tread Azeni isn't creepy weird like a full tread V700.
Just looking at the Hankook tire's pictures, they seem to be molded to pretty shallow a tread, plus the soft cuts on the inner tread blocks would prevent squirm somewhat. Dammit, he took down the picture.
| KC | 08-18-2004 03:44 PM |
From:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=613755[/url]
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]editied because someone in the motorsports forum
complained that I got a set of these tires before they did and that they shoudl have tested them.
I dont believe people could get so jealous that they would call up my company and complain that they should have gotten the first set to test.
:huh: pretty lame and childish.
this might be the last time i share any information.[/QUOTE]
You know... YOU are taking this a bit too far by claiming someone from this forum called when it could have been someone NOT from here that saw them posted here through a link on a different forum.
Taking them down like you did, and blaming someone on the motorsports forum is acting QUITE childish, and actually posting this as such... when you created your post, you stated all high and mighty that you worked for Hankook and YOU were going to be testing them. You got called out that they're not 'tests' so much as feed back of your personal opinion.
If this is the mentality of someone trying to put out some good word on the tires... as you actually WORK for Hankook.... you should have quit while you were ahead. You just failed in earning my bunisess with this one post.
You want to call us childish now? Want to call us 'jealous'? The internet can be a very powerful ally, or a very formidable foe.
One more point that secures me not doing business with Hankook:
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21] and the word promise means nothing in the business world... maybe amongst friends and all, but the word promise means absolutely nothing in a business. paper and pen or somethign written down is what equals a promise.[/QUOTE]
--kC
2003 SCCA Solo-II and ProSolo STX National Champion on FALKEN AZENIS
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=613755[/url]
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]editied because someone in the motorsports forum
complained that I got a set of these tires before they did and that they shoudl have tested them.
I dont believe people could get so jealous that they would call up my company and complain that they should have gotten the first set to test.
:huh: pretty lame and childish.
this might be the last time i share any information.[/QUOTE]
You know... YOU are taking this a bit too far by claiming someone from this forum called when it could have been someone NOT from here that saw them posted here through a link on a different forum.
Taking them down like you did, and blaming someone on the motorsports forum is acting QUITE childish, and actually posting this as such... when you created your post, you stated all high and mighty that you worked for Hankook and YOU were going to be testing them. You got called out that they're not 'tests' so much as feed back of your personal opinion.
If this is the mentality of someone trying to put out some good word on the tires... as you actually WORK for Hankook.... you should have quit while you were ahead. You just failed in earning my bunisess with this one post.
You want to call us childish now? Want to call us 'jealous'? The internet can be a very powerful ally, or a very formidable foe.
One more point that secures me not doing business with Hankook:
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21] and the word promise means nothing in the business world... maybe amongst friends and all, but the word promise means absolutely nothing in a business. paper and pen or somethign written down is what equals a promise.[/QUOTE]
--kC
2003 SCCA Solo-II and ProSolo STX National Champion on FALKEN AZENIS
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 03:49 PM |
KC - I don't think you should consider the word of this kid as a rep of Hankook. The person that I dealt with was a LOT more professional and would be someone that I would love to do business with.
Sully - Quite a bit is 0.5 seconds on a 40 second course :) So IMHO, they are quite a bit slower
-Tom
Sully - Quite a bit is 0.5 seconds on a 40 second course :) So IMHO, they are quite a bit slower
-Tom
| KC | 08-18-2004 03:54 PM |
He works for them. He promoted the company he works for in a post with pictures.... Good enough for me.
The post was set up....
"I work for Hankook. I received these Hankook tires to test." Can't get more obvious than that.
I'm old fashioned like that. Some would think I'm over-reacting... but hey, I'm not you.
I work for a company that when I'm out in the public, I need to watch what I say. Even tho I'm off the clock, if I talk business, I'm a representative of my company and what I say and/or do could get back to who I work for. On the internet, we can only judge by what we read.
Like I said, the post was set up, I work for hankook, if you want more info, talk to the marketing dept, I'm testing these tires.
--kC
The post was set up....
"I work for Hankook. I received these Hankook tires to test." Can't get more obvious than that.
I'm old fashioned like that. Some would think I'm over-reacting... but hey, I'm not you.
I work for a company that when I'm out in the public, I need to watch what I say. Even tho I'm off the clock, if I talk business, I'm a representative of my company and what I say and/or do could get back to who I work for. On the internet, we can only judge by what we read.
Like I said, the post was set up, I work for hankook, if you want more info, talk to the marketing dept, I'm testing these tires.
--kC
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 03:58 PM |
I realize that, but you can't judge a tire company or a tire by some kid on the intarweb who is trying to be cool.
Fugedabout..... ;)
-Tom
Fugedabout..... ;)
-Tom
| AWDrifter21 | 08-18-2004 04:11 PM |
I just PMed you, i understand what you are saying, but when during lunch I talk to my marketing department and they tell me people from this forum and from this and that called complaining that I should have gotten the tires first, i got a little :mad: , but then I realized maybe I woudl do the samethign in their position.
nd I am NO REP for Hankook and this is a public forum. and when I wrote test, I didnt know you guys would take the word test as official testing with data logging and this and that, so I guess my word of testing was wrong.
yes I work for Hankook Tire and yes, I received the tires from my company to test.
and yes it is true "Like I said, the post was set up, I work for hankook, if you want more info, talk to the marketing dept, I'm testing these tires."
Test for myself so see what I think about it. I did watch what I said, but you guys took testing to a whole new level..... and then complaing to my own company about me getting tires.... now that is over reacting. but like i said, im cool with everything now so, whatever. :banana:
if you guys dont want to buy Hankook tires because of me. :confused: that is your choice, i just wanted to share some info.. :D
nd I am NO REP for Hankook and this is a public forum. and when I wrote test, I didnt know you guys would take the word test as official testing with data logging and this and that, so I guess my word of testing was wrong.
yes I work for Hankook Tire and yes, I received the tires from my company to test.
and yes it is true "Like I said, the post was set up, I work for hankook, if you want more info, talk to the marketing dept, I'm testing these tires."
Test for myself so see what I think about it. I did watch what I said, but you guys took testing to a whole new level..... and then complaing to my own company about me getting tires.... now that is over reacting. but like i said, im cool with everything now so, whatever. :banana:
if you guys dont want to buy Hankook tires because of me. :confused: that is your choice, i just wanted to share some info.. :D
| trhoppe | 08-18-2004 04:16 PM |
:lol: <-- thats all I got
-Tom
-Tom
| 10th Warrior | 08-18-2004 04:23 PM |
[quote]Aren't there rumors floating around about a new Azenis compound? Then what?[/quote]
a glorious return of STR :D either that, or i take a sharpie and draw a "1" in front of the "40" on my Hoosiers ;) seriously, if a tire company (or really, companies) decided to go after ST, then eventually you'll be left with Stock class tire rules, unless you set up some kind of SCCA sanctioned and officiated testing and min. requirements.
[quote]Test for myself so see what I think about it. I did watch what I said, but you guys took testing to a whole new level.....[/quote]
welcome to Motorsport. when someone "tests" a part in motorsport, it is to determine whether or not it makes the package better. Do you think that when a Formula 1 team and associated tire partner go testing, they get a pizza delieverly kid and ask him how they feel :lol:
Jeff<--who really wishes he'd bothered to open this thread more recently :lol:
a glorious return of STR :D either that, or i take a sharpie and draw a "1" in front of the "40" on my Hoosiers ;) seriously, if a tire company (or really, companies) decided to go after ST, then eventually you'll be left with Stock class tire rules, unless you set up some kind of SCCA sanctioned and officiated testing and min. requirements.
[quote]Test for myself so see what I think about it. I did watch what I said, but you guys took testing to a whole new level.....[/quote]
welcome to Motorsport. when someone "tests" a part in motorsport, it is to determine whether or not it makes the package better. Do you think that when a Formula 1 team and associated tire partner go testing, they get a pizza delieverly kid and ask him how they feel :lol:
Jeff<--who really wishes he'd bothered to open this thread more recently :lol:
| solo-x | 08-18-2004 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Nope, always shaved them as recommended ;)
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
now where on earth did you here that??? :cool:
at first i wanted to try the hankook's. now i'm not so sure. i'll need to be swayed by someone respected in the autocross community before i'll change brands again. particularly after the damage done in this thread. as it is right now, my kumho's are faster then falken azenis. kumho gives me money if i place well. i think i'll be on kumho's for just a bit longer.
nate - thinks tread patterns are there to be removed
Just like you can't test a full tread azenis because the full tread azenis is quite a bit slower then a bald one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
now where on earth did you here that??? :cool:
at first i wanted to try the hankook's. now i'm not so sure. i'll need to be swayed by someone respected in the autocross community before i'll change brands again. particularly after the damage done in this thread. as it is right now, my kumho's are faster then falken azenis. kumho gives me money if i place well. i think i'll be on kumho's for just a bit longer.
nate - thinks tread patterns are there to be removed
| PKer | 08-18-2004 06:53 PM |
AWDrifter: You should have just quit talking 2 pages ago.
| trhoppe | 08-19-2004 09:12 AM |
[QUOTE=solo-x]now where on earth did you here that??? :cool:
[/QUOTE] Yea yea yea yea, why didn't you tell me??? Oh thats right YOU DID but I DIDN'T LISTEN :furious: For those that missed it, we didn't have a good result from our "lets try these new falkens" experiment sunday afternoon at the Pro.
[quote]AWDrifter: You should have just quit talking 2 pages ago[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom
[/QUOTE] Yea yea yea yea, why didn't you tell me??? Oh thats right YOU DID but I DIDN'T LISTEN :furious: For those that missed it, we didn't have a good result from our "lets try these new falkens" experiment sunday afternoon at the Pro.
[quote]AWDrifter: You should have just quit talking 2 pages ago[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom
| PhilC | 08-19-2004 12:58 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Yea yea yea yea, why didn't you tell me??? Oh thats right YOU DID but I DIDN'T LISTEN :furious: For those that missed it, we didn't have a good result from our "lets try these new falkens" experiment sunday afternoon at the Pro.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom[/QUOTE]
But hey, you've now ripped some more tread off of those full-depth rain tires for Topeka. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom[/QUOTE]
But hey, you've now ripped some more tread off of those full-depth rain tires for Topeka. :lol:
| ChrisDP | 08-19-2004 01:45 PM |
Should've asked Courtney his opinion of full-tread Azenis... That's what screwed him on sunday at Oscoda. Doh!
| trhoppe | 08-19-2004 01:46 PM |
Oh I did. I asked everyone's opinions and then said "Oh yea? I'm hot sh it so I won't go slower" :rolleyes: :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
| ChrisDP | 08-19-2004 03:05 PM |
You elitist you! :lol:
| trhoppe | 08-19-2004 03:14 PM |
Elitist ******* thank you very much!
-Tom
edit: oops apparently ******* is deemed a naughty word
-Tom
edit: oops apparently ******* is deemed a naughty word
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 08-19-2004 04:34 PM |
This thread was fun.
| AWDspider | 08-19-2004 10:23 PM |
i read his first post and never thought that there was some official testing going on...
maybe im just dumb.... but some of this has been taken way overboard. i just think that a whole bunch of you got your hopes up and then got dissappointed when there was no real info supplied in this paticular thread. awddrifter just wanted to "brag" that he got a set of tires that a bunch of you wouldnt mind getting your hands on, but then some of you get a little pissy that he is just gonna be doing only street testing (NOT OFFICIAL) on his own free time.
IF this was the only forum that he posted in (i dont know... nor care) then yeah it would be a safe assumption that somebody from this forum(directly or indirectly) did call to complain or whatever. i dont see a problem with that assumption....but if somebody was "promised" to get a set for testing i can understand their beef.
since nobody knows the details of this "promise" (for all we know he/she was promised the first OFFICIAL set for testing.....) then his statement about company promises is not entirely wrong or correct....... a promise though is not an OFFICIAL guarantee in the business world unless it is backed by signature ........
AwdDrifter21 have fun on these tires, if nobody else here cares about the everyday streetability of the tires then dont inform these diehard racers, i on the otherhand would very much like to see what your input is........ill be waitng in the tire and wheel forum when your ready to give said input.
shaun h.
maybe im just dumb.... but some of this has been taken way overboard. i just think that a whole bunch of you got your hopes up and then got dissappointed when there was no real info supplied in this paticular thread. awddrifter just wanted to "brag" that he got a set of tires that a bunch of you wouldnt mind getting your hands on, but then some of you get a little pissy that he is just gonna be doing only street testing (NOT OFFICIAL) on his own free time.
IF this was the only forum that he posted in (i dont know... nor care) then yeah it would be a safe assumption that somebody from this forum(directly or indirectly) did call to complain or whatever. i dont see a problem with that assumption....but if somebody was "promised" to get a set for testing i can understand their beef.
since nobody knows the details of this "promise" (for all we know he/she was promised the first OFFICIAL set for testing.....) then his statement about company promises is not entirely wrong or correct....... a promise though is not an OFFICIAL guarantee in the business world unless it is backed by signature ........
AwdDrifter21 have fun on these tires, if nobody else here cares about the everyday streetability of the tires then dont inform these diehard racers, i on the otherhand would very much like to see what your input is........ill be waitng in the tire and wheel forum when your ready to give said input.
shaun h.
| AUTOwrXER | 08-19-2004 10:29 PM |
Hot Import Nights is in Atlanta this weekend. Can I get some tires for the show?
I also drift regularly, and I rule.
That is all.
Joel ;-)
I also drift regularly, and I rule.
That is all.
Joel ;-)
| mofugga | 08-20-2004 12:50 PM |
why'd he yank the pics? anyone save the pic before he pulled it?
| wrx2.0 555 | 08-20-2004 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=AWDspider]i read his first post and never thought that there was some official testing going on...
maybe im just dumb.... but some of this has been taken way overboard. i just think that a whole bunch of you got your hopes up and then got dissappointed when there was no real info supplied in this paticular thread. awddrifter just wanted to "brag" that he got a set of tires that a bunch of you wouldnt mind getting your hands on, but then some of you get a little pissy that he is just gonna be doing only street testing (NOT OFFICIAL) on his own free time.
IF this was the only forum that he posted in (i dont know... nor care) then yeah it would be a safe assumption that somebody from this forum(directly or indirectly) did call to complain or whatever. i dont see a problem with that assumption....but if somebody was "promised" to get a set for testing i can understand their beef.
since nobody knows the details of this "promise" (for all we know he/she was promised the first OFFICIAL set for testing.....) then his statement about company promises is not entirely wrong or correct....... a promise though is not an OFFICIAL guarantee in the business world unless it is backed by signature ........
AwdDrifter21 have fun on these tires, if nobody else here cares about the everyday streetability of the tires then dont inform these diehard racers, i on the otherhand would very much like to see what your input is........ill be waitng in the tire and wheel forum when your ready to give said input.
shaun h.[/QUOTE]
Amen!!!!!
maybe im just dumb.... but some of this has been taken way overboard. i just think that a whole bunch of you got your hopes up and then got dissappointed when there was no real info supplied in this paticular thread. awddrifter just wanted to "brag" that he got a set of tires that a bunch of you wouldnt mind getting your hands on, but then some of you get a little pissy that he is just gonna be doing only street testing (NOT OFFICIAL) on his own free time.
IF this was the only forum that he posted in (i dont know... nor care) then yeah it would be a safe assumption that somebody from this forum(directly or indirectly) did call to complain or whatever. i dont see a problem with that assumption....but if somebody was "promised" to get a set for testing i can understand their beef.
since nobody knows the details of this "promise" (for all we know he/she was promised the first OFFICIAL set for testing.....) then his statement about company promises is not entirely wrong or correct....... a promise though is not an OFFICIAL guarantee in the business world unless it is backed by signature ........
AwdDrifter21 have fun on these tires, if nobody else here cares about the everyday streetability of the tires then dont inform these diehard racers, i on the otherhand would very much like to see what your input is........ill be waitng in the tire and wheel forum when your ready to give said input.
shaun h.[/QUOTE]
Amen!!!!!
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