| SmoothSTI | 03-26-2007 02:15 PM |
Invitation to Rally
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For those that don't know me, I'm Daryn Chernick, and I'm competing in several different motorsports this year. Since getting my subie, I have been drawn into the motorsports world with quite a passion. I'm currently in Vancouver where I am completing a course called the "Landmark Advanced Course". This has been an extremely powerful series of courses that have made amazing changes in my life. Within this course we re-discover who we are and set some really high goals to achieve in order to live a full and powerful life. One of the goals that I have set for myself is to compete in the world rally championships.
Some of the people that have inspired me to achieve this goal, are my Winnipeg Sports Car Club members, the amazing community of IWSTI.com and NASIOC.com and all proffessional and amateur drivers that put their hearts out there everyday of their lives. I am here asking everyone to help me reach my goal and share in this experience with me! I don't have a clear path on how to get there, and I'm really comfortable with that, as I think the journey there is going to be an amazing adventure. If any of you are interested in sharing this possibility with me, and can offer anything at all, I would be so grateful for your participation.
Thank you everyone for reading this and considering my invitation, I love all of you, and I'm so excited for this upcoming motorsports season, I can barely contain myself!
Good luck everyone, and I look forward to connecting with all of you and making something truly amazing happen in my life!
Yours truly,
Daryn Chernick
Some of the people that have inspired me to achieve this goal, are my Winnipeg Sports Car Club members, the amazing community of IWSTI.com and NASIOC.com and all proffessional and amateur drivers that put their hearts out there everyday of their lives. I am here asking everyone to help me reach my goal and share in this experience with me! I don't have a clear path on how to get there, and I'm really comfortable with that, as I think the journey there is going to be an amazing adventure. If any of you are interested in sharing this possibility with me, and can offer anything at all, I would be so grateful for your participation.
Thank you everyone for reading this and considering my invitation, I love all of you, and I'm so excited for this upcoming motorsports season, I can barely contain myself!
Good luck everyone, and I look forward to connecting with all of you and making something truly amazing happen in my life!
Yours truly,
Daryn Chernick
| WagonMonster | 03-26-2007 02:21 PM |
Uh, what?
| atech_rallyrs | 03-26-2007 02:31 PM |
Hes saying "im doing the rally thing, guys come cheer me so i dont feel lost and lonely out here!". Thus the invitation.
| Protege Menace | 03-26-2007 03:06 PM |
is this the guy who won the gumball car from Block?
is it properly prepped or just bumgall riced
is it properly prepped or just bumgall riced
| RichardM | 03-26-2007 03:13 PM |
No and don't know.
| SmoothSTI | 03-26-2007 03:28 PM |
No I didn't win any cars, but I do have an STi I want to prepare for Rally. I know that I'm not going to just jump into the WRC right off the bat, but I see that there are so many knowledgable people that might share the same dream as me, so I'm just on here to see who might want to share the experience of going along on this journey with me and share in my dreams and goals! I've seen some pretty amazing things happen in the last few days, and while I know that this goal seems pretty unreasonable, I believe that I have the power, inspiration, and courage to do this, and thus I am asking if any of you might want to stand with me, and help me get there! I'm not asking for money or charity, just that some of you might see this as something that they want to be a part of and share in my success.
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick
| RichardM | 03-26-2007 03:37 PM |
Daryn,
First off, go to specialstage.com and read the forums on how to get started. Since you are in Canada, go to the CARS website for the specific rules. Then the best way to be able to compete in WRC events is to make lots of money selling real estate or a computer business that you founded or something like that. Another way would be if your father made lots of money that he will let you play with.
In other words, the front door to WRC of being a paid driver is awfully hard to get into so try the backdoor of earning enough money to go.
Richard
First off, go to specialstage.com and read the forums on how to get started. Since you are in Canada, go to the CARS website for the specific rules. Then the best way to be able to compete in WRC events is to make lots of money selling real estate or a computer business that you founded or something like that. Another way would be if your father made lots of money that he will let you play with.
In other words, the front door to WRC of being a paid driver is awfully hard to get into so try the backdoor of earning enough money to go.
Richard
| WRXedUSA | 03-26-2007 04:06 PM |
:towlie:
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17489134]
I love all of you, and I'm so excited for this upcoming motorsports season, I can barely contain myself!
Good luck everyone, and I look forward to connecting with all of you and making something truly amazing happen in my life!
Yours truly,
Daryn Chernick[/QUOTE]
:huh:
Have you mistaken Nasioc for AFF?
-chet
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17489134]
I love all of you, and I'm so excited for this upcoming motorsports season, I can barely contain myself!
Good luck everyone, and I look forward to connecting with all of you and making something truly amazing happen in my life!
Yours truly,
Daryn Chernick[/QUOTE]
:huh:
Have you mistaken Nasioc for AFF?
-chet
| WagonMonster | 03-26-2007 04:12 PM |
This thread makes me feel sticky.
| runnah | 03-26-2007 04:12 PM |
[QUOTE=RichardM;17490395]In other words, the front door to WRC of being a paid driver is awfully hard to get into so try the backdoor of earning enough money to go.
Richard[/QUOTE]
You forgot: Having your father run the Ford rally team, thus giving you a top car and a chance to run many WRC events which you reward him with by crashing out 90% of the time. :devil:
Richard[/QUOTE]
You forgot: Having your father run the Ford rally team, thus giving you a top car and a chance to run many WRC events which you reward him with by crashing out 90% of the time. :devil:
| RichardM | 03-26-2007 04:16 PM |
No, I didn't forget. I mentioned having rich parents. Works even if your father doesn't run the Ford rally team. He only has to be able to buy it. :)
| mykrrrr | 03-26-2007 04:19 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster;17489228]Uh, what?[/QUOTE]
:lol: +1 to that. :huh:
:lol: +1 to that. :huh:
| fliz | 03-26-2007 04:23 PM |
1. Sell the STI. Too many Subarus and Subaru drivers already.
2. Move to Australia or Europe. NA and WRC aren't compatible.
3. Get mega-rich or mega-popular, while becoming the best driver you possibly can.
Honestly, it'd probably be easier for you to become a F1 driver.
2. Move to Australia or Europe. NA and WRC aren't compatible.
3. Get mega-rich or mega-popular, while becoming the best driver you possibly can.
Honestly, it'd probably be easier for you to become a F1 driver.
| Yotsuya | 03-26-2007 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17489134]I'm currently in Vancouver where I am completing a course called the "Landmark Advanced Course". This has been an extremely powerful series of courses that have made amazing changes in my life. Within this course we re-discover who we are and set some really high goals to achieve in order to live a full and powerful life. One of the goals that I have set for myself is to compete in the world rally championships.[/QUOTE]
Gotta boost the thetans first and foremost.
Gotta boost the thetans first and foremost.
| OBShahn | 03-26-2007 04:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Protege Menace;17489912]is this the guy who won the gumball car from Block?
is it properly prepped or just bumgall riced[/QUOTE]
The guy that won the Gumball car is having to sell it because of the taxes.
is it properly prepped or just bumgall riced[/QUOTE]
The guy that won the Gumball car is having to sell it because of the taxes.
| WRXedUSA | 03-26-2007 05:24 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;17491386]The guy that won the Gumball car is having to sell it because of the taxes.[/QUOTE]
I believe it sold on Ebay a few weeks ago for $29,500.
I believe it sold on Ebay a few weeks ago for $29,500.
| OBShahn | 03-26-2007 05:42 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;17492012]I believe it sold on Ebay a few weeks ago for $29,500.[/QUOTE]
I stopped paying attention to the auction, don't know what it sold for.
I stopped paying attention to the auction, don't know what it sold for.
| Easy Rider | 03-26-2007 05:45 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;17492012]I believe it sold on Ebay a few weeks ago for $29,500.[/QUOTE]
Never sold.
His "buy it now price" was $80,000. :eek:
To the OP - as stated above. You will either have to me ultra talented - and move to Europe to get noticed - or - be ultra rich and buy a seat somewhere.
Or - be fairly rich and just go rent a ride at a PWRC event - which is a close 2nd.
Good luck.
Never sold.
His "buy it now price" was $80,000. :eek:
To the OP - as stated above. You will either have to me ultra talented - and move to Europe to get noticed - or - be ultra rich and buy a seat somewhere.
Or - be fairly rich and just go rent a ride at a PWRC event - which is a close 2nd.
Good luck.
| M. Hurst | 03-26-2007 05:45 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17489134]... I'm currently in Vancouver where I am completing a course called the "Landmark Advanced Course". This has been an extremely powerful series of courses that have made amazing changes in my life. Within this course we re-discover who we are and set some really high goals to achieve in order to live a full and powerful life.....[/QUOTE]
Great...
Just don't drink the kool aid.
Great...
Just don't drink the kool aid.
| RichardM | 03-26-2007 05:49 PM |
Cynical Mike. :)
| M. Hurst | 03-26-2007 05:57 PM |
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Education_jargon[/url]
| WRXedUSA | 03-26-2007 05:59 PM |
Please lock this thread before I go off the deep end and say something REALLY bad.
:lol:
:lol:
| SmoothSTI | 03-26-2007 06:05 PM |
I am fully aware that it takes a whole lot of money to make this happen, I am not even close to being ready for competition in the WRC at this point. I am ready to go to schools, learn the ropes, compete in the Canadian Scene, dominate that, and then grow larger and larger until such a time that I feel I can competantly compete at that level. Right now I am just a rookie that had a great start at autocross, but I want to be an inspiration to others that if they put themselves out there, they can do anything they put their minds too. This is the reason I'm here. I am hoping that some of you will support my goal, maybe help me get in touch with some people that can get this ball rolling, or any other possibility that I can't even fathom right now! I also believe by sharing this with the Subaru community, we might have something that we can work on together that brings us closer together! There is so much inspiration that can come out of a community working together to inspire other people, and I believe the amazing brotherhood of Subaru drivers can really contribute some amazing things to other people.
Thanks for your support,
Daryn Chernick
Thanks for your support,
Daryn Chernick
| MattNJ2.8 | 03-26-2007 06:29 PM |
First Celine Dion, and now this? What's in the water up there?
| Easy Rider | 03-26-2007 06:31 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17492651]compete in the Canadian Scene, dominate that,
Daryn Chernick[/QUOTE]
I'll make sure to let ACP / Antoine / Sylvain / Pat / Norm / etc. know you're coming.
Seriously though.
Go out a buy a pre prepped 2wd car - like a golf or something - and start entering as many rallies as you can.
It is a fun as heck sport, it's just that the only one person from North America (in recent years) has ever "made it" to even the PWRC level based on more talent than money = Pat Richard. Even he used up a lot of his own cash.
Travis is taking a stab at the PWRC this season (3 events) but then he has / has access to - those large sums of money that everyone speaks of.
Daryn Chernick[/QUOTE]
I'll make sure to let ACP / Antoine / Sylvain / Pat / Norm / etc. know you're coming.
Seriously though.
Go out a buy a pre prepped 2wd car - like a golf or something - and start entering as many rallies as you can.
It is a fun as heck sport, it's just that the only one person from North America (in recent years) has ever "made it" to even the PWRC level based on more talent than money = Pat Richard. Even he used up a lot of his own cash.
Travis is taking a stab at the PWRC this season (3 events) but then he has / has access to - those large sums of money that everyone speaks of.
| OBShahn | 03-26-2007 06:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Easy Rider;17492334]Never sold.
His "buy it now price" was $80,000. :eek:
[/QUOTE]
Reserve price was in the 30s though.
The amount he was paying taxes on was high 40s
His "buy it now price" was $80,000. :eek:
[/QUOTE]
Reserve price was in the 30s though.
The amount he was paying taxes on was high 40s
| Easy Rider | 03-26-2007 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;17493115]Reserve price was in the 30s though.
The amount he was paying taxes on was high 40s[/QUOTE]
He called me a week or two before it went up on ebay and offerd it to me for $80,000.
I said "um. . . No thanks" he said "if I changed my mind that the "Buy it now" price would be the same, $80,000."
Just reporting the facts.
The amount he was paying taxes on was high 40s[/QUOTE]
He called me a week or two before it went up on ebay and offerd it to me for $80,000.
I said "um. . . No thanks" he said "if I changed my mind that the "Buy it now" price would be the same, $80,000."
Just reporting the facts.
| OBShahn | 03-26-2007 07:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Easy Rider;17493197]He called me a week or two before it went up on ebay and offerd it to me for $80,000.
I said "um. . . No thanks" he said "if I changed my mind that the "Buy it now" price would be the same, $80,000."
Just reporting the facts.[/QUOTE]
GumballSTi
Swabby
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Member #: 3642
Post Reply with quote
Fike wrote:
What are you going to do now?
That's a very good question. Major bummer. Sad . 20,000 gawkers, 126 watchers and a $29,600 max bid. So it still needs to be sold. The high bidder is still interested and waiting to see what happens. Any pirates want to keep it local? The reserve was just shy of $36K. Anybody want it for $35K? I'm going to have to move quickly, so if anybody's interested, now's the time to let me know.
Taken from:
[url]http://www.awdpirates.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19171&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=gumball&start=30[/url]
I said "um. . . No thanks" he said "if I changed my mind that the "Buy it now" price would be the same, $80,000."
Just reporting the facts.[/QUOTE]
GumballSTi
Swabby
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Member #: 3642
Post Reply with quote
Fike wrote:
What are you going to do now?
That's a very good question. Major bummer. Sad . 20,000 gawkers, 126 watchers and a $29,600 max bid. So it still needs to be sold. The high bidder is still interested and waiting to see what happens. Any pirates want to keep it local? The reserve was just shy of $36K. Anybody want it for $35K? I'm going to have to move quickly, so if anybody's interested, now's the time to let me know.
Taken from:
[url]http://www.awdpirates.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19171&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=gumball&start=30[/url]
| thehollowrift | 03-26-2007 07:24 PM |
I guess im the only one here that read this and thought it was a ploy for money????
| SmoothSTI | 03-26-2007 07:40 PM |
I'm not requesting financial support from club members, that totally isn't my goal. I'm looking for people in the community who might be able to put me in touch with some other's that have made this a possibility for them, maybe someone might know of a mentor? Even people just cheering me on is a step in the right direction. I only ask for you to give what you want to give, in any way shape or form. I have received several responses from different people telling me of rally schools that would give me some training (e.g. targa newfoundland rally school), to get a 2wd car together and participate in some of the easier events just to get started, and a lot of different forums that I can go to to get information. This is all terrific stuff, and I appreciate whatever anyone is prepared to contribute!
| akuhner | 03-26-2007 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17490267] I'm not asking for money or charity, just that some of you might see this as something that they want to be a part of and share in my success.[/QUOTE]
IF, (BIG IF), somehow your power of positive thought stuff works out and gets you even to the start of a single rally stage up in Canada I will be cheering you on. However, I don't expect to do that for at least a few years. I hope your positive pills last that long!
Seriously, you are better off setting the goal of making 10 to 20 million then using that money to go do PWRC.
IF, (BIG IF), somehow your power of positive thought stuff works out and gets you even to the start of a single rally stage up in Canada I will be cheering you on. However, I don't expect to do that for at least a few years. I hope your positive pills last that long!
Seriously, you are better off setting the goal of making 10 to 20 million then using that money to go do PWRC.
| bjorn240 | 03-26-2007 08:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187;17494071]Seriously, you are better off setting the goal of making 10 to 20 million then using that money to go do PWRC.[/QUOTE]
Just to inject a little reality - I'm doing three PWRC events this year. My total investment in rallying between 1998 and 2003 was probably on the order of $30,000-50,000 US (almost exclusively travel costs to get to events). Since 2003, with a few exceptions, I have either been rallying for free or been paid to co-drive.
Admittedly, I am content to flip the pages and call the notes, not saw at the wheel and stomp on the pedals.
So, while difficult, it isn't impossible to envision someone going from a rank newbie to PWRC (or WRC) material. Admittedly, if you've got the urge to drive, an attempt at the PWRC will take at least $1m US plus probably 6-7 years to get there. Best of luck, Daryn. It's a tough road, but it's easier today than it was in 1998, I think. At least in 2007, some people have heard of rally...
- Christian
Just to inject a little reality - I'm doing three PWRC events this year. My total investment in rallying between 1998 and 2003 was probably on the order of $30,000-50,000 US (almost exclusively travel costs to get to events). Since 2003, with a few exceptions, I have either been rallying for free or been paid to co-drive.
Admittedly, I am content to flip the pages and call the notes, not saw at the wheel and stomp on the pedals.
So, while difficult, it isn't impossible to envision someone going from a rank newbie to PWRC (or WRC) material. Admittedly, if you've got the urge to drive, an attempt at the PWRC will take at least $1m US plus probably 6-7 years to get there. Best of luck, Daryn. It's a tough road, but it's easier today than it was in 1998, I think. At least in 2007, some people have heard of rally...
- Christian
| ROC pit-bull | 03-26-2007 08:17 PM |
Good luck.
| akuhner | 03-26-2007 08:48 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17493915] I'm looking for people in the community who might be able to put me in touch with some other's that have made this a possibility for them, maybe someone might know of a mentor? [/QUOTE]
Start with this advice:
A) Stop mentioning Landmark to anyone, and don't talk about your WRC goals. Any serious rallist will just laugh. Try to just be a normal guy who is determined to rally.
B) All the normal rules of getting into rally still apply to you, no matter what your goals, why you set them, etc. There are lots of threads about this, look them up.
In case you can't find those threads, here's the general idea:
1) Become a rally crew member, preferably for a team with a make of car you'd like to have as your rally car. Crew as much as possible for a few years, know the events inside and out, know the car inside and out, know what it takes to get a car to the start line (do not spend a dime on your own car until you know this).
2) Rally cross your STI, or buy something less powerful to beat on.
3) When you can't crew for a rally, go work it as a marshal.
4) Develop a network (again, without breaking rule A above!) of people who can help you.
5) Go to Team O'Neil (and don't skimp - take the $3,000+ class).
6) After a few years of this, buy a pre-built rally car ready to run. But don't do it until you can afford to drop a few grand per event. If buying the car is a stretch, don't bother. DO NOT BUILD YOUR OWN CAR. You will waste big bucks doing that.
I did all of that (except #5) and ran two rallies last year. Even just two rallies in my slowest of all Subarus on the lowest budget was a huge effort that required a lot of help from my team. And never forget rule A!
Start with this advice:
A) Stop mentioning Landmark to anyone, and don't talk about your WRC goals. Any serious rallist will just laugh. Try to just be a normal guy who is determined to rally.
B) All the normal rules of getting into rally still apply to you, no matter what your goals, why you set them, etc. There are lots of threads about this, look them up.
In case you can't find those threads, here's the general idea:
1) Become a rally crew member, preferably for a team with a make of car you'd like to have as your rally car. Crew as much as possible for a few years, know the events inside and out, know the car inside and out, know what it takes to get a car to the start line (do not spend a dime on your own car until you know this).
2) Rally cross your STI, or buy something less powerful to beat on.
3) When you can't crew for a rally, go work it as a marshal.
4) Develop a network (again, without breaking rule A above!) of people who can help you.
5) Go to Team O'Neil (and don't skimp - take the $3,000+ class).
6) After a few years of this, buy a pre-built rally car ready to run. But don't do it until you can afford to drop a few grand per event. If buying the car is a stretch, don't bother. DO NOT BUILD YOUR OWN CAR. You will waste big bucks doing that.
I did all of that (except #5) and ran two rallies last year. Even just two rallies in my slowest of all Subarus on the lowest budget was a huge effort that required a lot of help from my team. And never forget rule A!
| akuhner | 03-26-2007 08:50 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;17494327]Just to inject a little reality - I'm doing three PWRC events this year. My total investment in rallying between 1998 and 2003 was probably on the order of $30,000-50,000 US (almost exclusively travel costs to get to events). Since 2003, with a few exceptions, I have either been rallying for free or been paid to co-drive.[/QUOTE]
Oh, yea, I just assumed he meant he wanted to go as a driver!
Oh, yea, I just assumed he meant he wanted to go as a driver!
| Kyguy | 03-26-2007 08:55 PM |
Daryn, good luck.
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick
| bxracer69 | 03-26-2007 10:53 PM |
^^^^ I think this is the best peice of advice any of us can give. Don't prep your STI. It costs too much to build a race car, especially if you don't have the resources at your disposal. Check out rallyclassifieds.com, you can get a prepped rally car for $5k or less to start with. At some point you are going to crash, lets face it. Plus I know that you need to have at least a year or 2 of experience in a 2wd car before you can jump into competition in an awd.
| Protege Menace | 03-27-2007 12:41 AM |
[quote=Kyguy;17495005]Daryn, good luck.
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick[/quote]
what? :huh:
same name as the OP or does he have a 2nd name?
Thanks,
Daryn Chernick[/quote]
what? :huh:
same name as the OP or does he have a 2nd name?
| Kyguy | 03-27-2007 01:33 AM |
bad joke :(
| RB5 Clone | 03-27-2007 10:47 AM |
jeesh, Daryn, you couldn't have picked a tougher place than here to announce big plans. as you may have noticed, this isn't exactly the warmest/fuzziest bunch! ;)
OTOH, there is lots of good advice here to be had.
probably the quickest route to getting OUT of stage rally is to try starting out as a driver with big dreams -- unless as mentioned above you have basically unlimited funds. the costs of setting up a team, acquiring team infrastructure (haul truck, trailer, spares, travel, crash repairs, maintenance, tools, a shop, etc etc)...it'll kill you before you hardly get started. in US rally, the driver/car owner is expected to foot almost ALL the bills.
start as a service crew guy. you learn car setup and prep without the cost and pressures of building/maintaining your own rally car. most teams are desperate for good crew and will help pay your way.
start as a codriver. you can learn the rules and strategy of rally and team management without the costs and pressures of car ownership. you'll probably have to chip in with expenses like splitting entry fees, crew travel costs and maybe tires to help keep the team up to snuff.
start rally driving in rallyx, you can have a blast running a minimally prepped car without the pressures and expense of a full stage rally car.
LEARN rally driving at a school. rally driving techniques are largely counter-intuitive. the typical DIY way of learning to be fast involves stuffing the car repeatedly, and believe me that's not conducive to learning speed--especially when you dont KNOW why you just crashed. The $$$ my partner and I spent at Team O'Neil was hands-down the most cost-effective upgrade to our skills, speed and safety we ever made.
simple answer is, there IS no simple answer to getting into rally. it's the old story of "start small, work your ass off, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, if you're really good and charmed and have lots of luck, you can make it."
but if you start mindfully and keep plugging away, you will have more freakin fun than you ever imagined possible. BTDT, and you can, too.
OTOH, there is lots of good advice here to be had.
probably the quickest route to getting OUT of stage rally is to try starting out as a driver with big dreams -- unless as mentioned above you have basically unlimited funds. the costs of setting up a team, acquiring team infrastructure (haul truck, trailer, spares, travel, crash repairs, maintenance, tools, a shop, etc etc)...it'll kill you before you hardly get started. in US rally, the driver/car owner is expected to foot almost ALL the bills.
start as a service crew guy. you learn car setup and prep without the cost and pressures of building/maintaining your own rally car. most teams are desperate for good crew and will help pay your way.
start as a codriver. you can learn the rules and strategy of rally and team management without the costs and pressures of car ownership. you'll probably have to chip in with expenses like splitting entry fees, crew travel costs and maybe tires to help keep the team up to snuff.
start rally driving in rallyx, you can have a blast running a minimally prepped car without the pressures and expense of a full stage rally car.
LEARN rally driving at a school. rally driving techniques are largely counter-intuitive. the typical DIY way of learning to be fast involves stuffing the car repeatedly, and believe me that's not conducive to learning speed--especially when you dont KNOW why you just crashed. The $$$ my partner and I spent at Team O'Neil was hands-down the most cost-effective upgrade to our skills, speed and safety we ever made.
simple answer is, there IS no simple answer to getting into rally. it's the old story of "start small, work your ass off, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, if you're really good and charmed and have lots of luck, you can make it."
but if you start mindfully and keep plugging away, you will have more freakin fun than you ever imagined possible. BTDT, and you can, too.
| WagonMonster | 03-27-2007 10:59 AM |
I think it was the touchy-feely, 12-step, tone of the first post that set people off.
| akuhner | 03-27-2007 08:51 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster;17501662]I think it was the touchy-feely, 12-step, tone of the first post that set people off.[/QUOTE]
That's true (hence Rule A above), but for me it was also the fact that this general post happens every few months, and the guys so determined to rally weren't determined enough to do a search... :rolleyes: :lol:
That's true (hence Rule A above), but for me it was also the fact that this general post happens every few months, and the guys so determined to rally weren't determined enough to do a search... :rolleyes: :lol:
| Howl | 03-28-2007 02:43 PM |
If you want a real shot at the WRC why not set a goal of becoming a top-notch co-driver?
| SmoothSTI | 03-29-2007 12:40 PM |
Good news this morning,
A friend of mine that is helping me work on my house has been inspired by my desire to make this dream a reality and has volunteered to be the navigator for the team! He brings some tremendous resources to the team with his truck and flatbed, as well as his brother who is a TIG welder, dad who is a mechanic, and several ties to local businesses (maybe even a lift!!!). We now have a target start date of early 2009, so the hunt for mechanics and a car begins!
I am thinking that a FWD car with a lower HP rating would be a good place to start. I feel fairly confident on tarmac surfaces, but I think gravel/mud/snow are going to be the most challenging to learn. Are there any well known successful Rally cars I should consider getting? I am thinking of a budget around $5000 US for the initial car.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Daryn
A friend of mine that is helping me work on my house has been inspired by my desire to make this dream a reality and has volunteered to be the navigator for the team! He brings some tremendous resources to the team with his truck and flatbed, as well as his brother who is a TIG welder, dad who is a mechanic, and several ties to local businesses (maybe even a lift!!!). We now have a target start date of early 2009, so the hunt for mechanics and a car begins!
I am thinking that a FWD car with a lower HP rating would be a good place to start. I feel fairly confident on tarmac surfaces, but I think gravel/mud/snow are going to be the most challenging to learn. Are there any well known successful Rally cars I should consider getting? I am thinking of a budget around $5000 US for the initial car.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Daryn
| Howl | 03-29-2007 01:11 PM |
You're in BC right?
Pat Richard's shop is in Squamish. [URL="http://www.rocketrally.com/"]http://www.rocketrally.com/[/URL]
Rallyclassifieds.com has used rally cars for sale. [URL="http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/10"]http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/10[/URL]
There are a few cars there for the $5000 range.
There are also some project (unfinished) cars available: [URL="http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/13"]http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/13[/URL]
Pat Richard's shop is in Squamish. [URL="http://www.rocketrally.com/"]http://www.rocketrally.com/[/URL]
Rallyclassifieds.com has used rally cars for sale. [URL="http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/10"]http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/10[/URL]
There are a few cars there for the $5000 range.
There are also some project (unfinished) cars available: [URL="http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/13"]http://www.rallyclassified.com/index.php/cat_id/13[/URL]
| SmoothSTI | 03-29-2007 02:49 PM |
Thanks Howl, no I'm actually in the prairies. I'm planning on going to see Pat in July to possibly get my DCCD reprogrammed (I hear it's quite a difference!) so I was planning on asking him about what I can do..... I have been having this discussion elsewhere about what class to start in. I know I want to be in P2 or P4 so I don't have to mod the hell out of the car, but unsure of what is going to work better for me from a learning perspective. Obviously I have experience driving 4WD on ice/snow and Tarmac, but I'm just curious if going FWD would be a better starting point? Some have said yes, some say no, the only information to back it up is that I have 4WD experience with my subie.
| RB5 Clone | 03-29-2007 04:15 PM |
given your stated budget, you'll be looking at FWD, which is not a bad thing. there's a bunch really good 2WD guys running in Canada, you can learn a lot from them as you go. starting out, you'll have enough stuff to worry about and learn about that you won't miss having AWD. Besides, you can't race an AWD car in R-A events anyway until you've run 2WD for a bunch of rallies.
can't emphasize enough getting to rally school before you start racing. it'll cost you a few thou, but it's way cheaper to learn that way before you do a season or 2 of DNFs and needless offs while you claw up the learning curve. You'll have a lot more fun, be safer, and can start kicking but sooner (which IS the point of racing, yes-no? :devil: ) by making the commitment to learn rally-specific drving techniques BEFORE you leap off the cliff so to speak.
BTDT.
can't emphasize enough getting to rally school before you start racing. it'll cost you a few thou, but it's way cheaper to learn that way before you do a season or 2 of DNFs and needless offs while you claw up the learning curve. You'll have a lot more fun, be safer, and can start kicking but sooner (which IS the point of racing, yes-no? :devil: ) by making the commitment to learn rally-specific drving techniques BEFORE you leap off the cliff so to speak.
BTDT.
| Howl | 03-29-2007 04:30 PM |
In Rally America you have to start in FWD, but I don't think that is always the best way to go as far as driver development is concerned if you plan of running AWD cars in the future. It's certainly cheaper though, which is important if you discover you don't like rallying and you want to try something else.
What I personally would do, if money is no object, is get a used rally car and campaign it for the first year just trying to finish every event for the experience. The second year I would push as hard as I could to learn the car's (and my) limits. The third year I would build my own car (or rather have one professionally prepared for me) and work out all the kinks. The fourth year I would aim to place on the podium.
What I personally would do, if money is no object, is get a used rally car and campaign it for the first year just trying to finish every event for the experience. The second year I would push as hard as I could to learn the car's (and my) limits. The third year I would build my own car (or rather have one professionally prepared for me) and work out all the kinks. The fourth year I would aim to place on the podium.
| SmoothSTI | 03-29-2007 04:45 PM |
I am prepared to take a school and get informed before I get rolled. I thank Car187 for the advice to seek out Team O'Neil. I have also been told to look at the Targa Newfoundland Rally School as well. I know that there are several schools out there, anyone have any thoughts on which one might work best for me? I promise to research every single school that you mention, as well as Google it on my own as well. (If you have taken a school, it would be nice to hear what your thoughts were on the program, as well as how it helped your success in Rally).
Thanks yet again,
Daryn
Thanks yet again,
Daryn
| Gethin | 03-29-2007 04:50 PM |
Join rallybc.com and spend some time volunteering in the woods.
| davis10 | 03-29-2007 04:58 PM |
Good luck you will want to focus on the US rally circuit first and then go from there. It is not easy or cheap to get into a WRC competition. Then Again US rally is not easy/cheap either you have to start small get noticed and work your way up as your talent allows.
| RB5 Clone | 03-29-2007 05:37 PM |
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm an instructor at Team O'Neil.
Also in interests of full disclosure, I teach there because I believe in the place and what they're doing for rally, not because of massive paychecks. ;)
My team partner and I learned so much at Team O early in our rally endeavors. I firmly believe that O'Neil teaching saved us from many "learning wrecks" and got us up to speed--literally--much much faster than we ever could have done on our own. Fifty-some rallies later, we're both still at it. Only now when we crash, it's our fault, not Tim's! :huh:
You mention tarmac rally in your dreams...in North America, tarmac rally is a very minor part of what's going on. Not to bad-mouth Targa Newf, it's an awesome event (my partner JoMo and my car Tulip won their class there in 2003 :banana: ) but you want to concentrate on gravel and snow first because that's what 98% of the rallies run on.
Dave G
lastditchracing.net
Also in interests of full disclosure, I teach there because I believe in the place and what they're doing for rally, not because of massive paychecks. ;)
My team partner and I learned so much at Team O early in our rally endeavors. I firmly believe that O'Neil teaching saved us from many "learning wrecks" and got us up to speed--literally--much much faster than we ever could have done on our own. Fifty-some rallies later, we're both still at it. Only now when we crash, it's our fault, not Tim's! :huh:
You mention tarmac rally in your dreams...in North America, tarmac rally is a very minor part of what's going on. Not to bad-mouth Targa Newf, it's an awesome event (my partner JoMo and my car Tulip won their class there in 2003 :banana: ) but you want to concentrate on gravel and snow first because that's what 98% of the rallies run on.
Dave G
lastditchracing.net
| SmoothSTI | 03-29-2007 06:04 PM |
Sorry everyone, I'm in the province of Manitoba, which for those that don't know, is above Fargo ND. Not really a chance to volunteer at a reasonable expense, or I would be there in a flash!
| RichardM | 03-29-2007 06:14 PM |
[QUOTE=Howl;17532344]In Rally America you have to start in FWD, [/QUOTE]
Not quite true. You have to start in Group 2 or Production. The majority of cars in these two groups are FWD, but not all. For example, an old Mustang with a 2.4L engine qualifies in G2.
Not quite true. You have to start in Group 2 or Production. The majority of cars in these two groups are FWD, but not all. For example, an old Mustang with a 2.4L engine qualifies in G2.
| Howl | 03-30-2007 03:23 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17533541]Sorry everyone, I'm in the province of Manitoba, which for those that don't know, is above Fargo ND. Not really a chance to volunteer at a reasonable expense, or I would be there in a flash![/QUOTE]
Hate to say it, but your about as far away from any major Canadian rally events as you can get. They are all in BC/Alberta and Ont/Que. Your transportations costs are going to be a major factor. There are a few events in Minnesota and the Michigan Upper Penninsula that maybe within a days drive for you. Your best bet might be to start out in the Rally America Central Region events [URL="http://rally-america.com//schedule.regional.php"]http://rally-america.com//schedule.regional.php[/URL] rather than the Canadian series.
Hate to say it, but your about as far away from any major Canadian rally events as you can get. They are all in BC/Alberta and Ont/Que. Your transportations costs are going to be a major factor. There are a few events in Minnesota and the Michigan Upper Penninsula that maybe within a days drive for you. Your best bet might be to start out in the Rally America Central Region events [URL="http://rally-america.com//schedule.regional.php"]http://rally-america.com//schedule.regional.php[/URL] rather than the Canadian series.
| Protege Menace | 03-30-2007 04:01 PM |
[quote=SmoothSTI;17533541]Sorry everyone, I'm in the province of Manitoba, which for those that don't know, is above Fargo ND. Not really a chance to volunteer at a reasonable expense, or I would be there in a flash![/quote]
How far are you from fargo?
because from here I can drive to Ojibwe (one of the big 2 day ones around here, located in Bemidji, mn) in 1.5 hours.
I HIGHLY suggest coming to Ojibwe if you are in winnipeg
How far are you from fargo?
because from here I can drive to Ojibwe (one of the big 2 day ones around here, located in Bemidji, mn) in 1.5 hours.
I HIGHLY suggest coming to Ojibwe if you are in winnipeg
| RichardM | 03-30-2007 05:01 PM |
[QUOTE=SmoothSTI;17533541]Sorry everyone, I'm in the province of Manitoba, which for those that don't know, is above Fargo ND. Not really a chance to volunteer at a reasonable expense, or I would be there in a flash![/QUOTE]
This is not exhibiting the drive that you will need to get to the WRC.
This is not exhibiting the drive that you will need to get to the WRC.
| LastResort | 03-30-2007 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE=RichardM;17545588]This is not exhibiting the drive that you will need to get to the WRC.[/QUOTE]12345
Like anyone trying to get somewhere in a very competitive career (because that's what it will have to be), you need to make that career a priority. Moving to an area that would allow you to be more active would be a first step.
Like anyone trying to get somewhere in a very competitive career (because that's what it will have to be), you need to make that career a priority. Moving to an area that would allow you to be more active would be a first step.
| Gethin | 03-30-2007 07:16 PM |
Volunteering is "expensive" in itself, so if you can't do that, forget competing! I'd say I spend around $300 - $400 just on a weekend going to a local (2 hours away) event for 2 days to help set up the stages and marshalling. Gas, food, wear and tear on car, beer etc etc
| OBShahn | 03-30-2007 10:02 PM |
There are guys that will eat nothing but cheap peanut butter and jelly sandiwhces. Live 3 or 4 guys to a house in a bad part of town, just to free up parts of their budget to build race cars or be able to afford one rally a year.
If you can't find a way to get to an event as a volunteer or spectator, forget paying hundreds if not a thousand dollars just for an entry fee. Can't dream big if you're not willing to make sacrifices. You need to win the birth lottery to live big without working hard for it.
If you can't find a way to get to an event as a volunteer or spectator, forget paying hundreds if not a thousand dollars just for an entry fee. Can't dream big if you're not willing to make sacrifices. You need to win the birth lottery to live big without working hard for it.
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