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"Irish" Mike Flynn To Run Turbocharged WRX In SPEED Touring Car part 1

zzyzx 03-09-2005 04:42 PM

"Irish" Mike Flynn To Run Turbocharged WRX In SPEED Touring Car
Emphasis added. ;)

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[url="http://www.world-challenge.com/news/05press23.html"]IRISH MIKE TO INTRODUCE FORCED INDUCTION TO TOURING CAR WITH SUBARU WRX[/url]

ORLANDO , Fla. ( March 3, 2005 )�Michael Flynn is hoping that [b]the third time is indeed a charm[/b], and that the luck of the Irish will be him. He is taking a Subaru to Sebring for the third year, but instead of the normally aspirated Subaru Impreza 2.5L that he has worked with for the past two years, Flynn�s #26 will be a new 2004 Subaru WRX with the 2.0L turbocharged engine. This year will mark the initial debut of a forced induction racecar into the World Challenge Touring Series.

The Subaru Impreza WRX in the turbo configuration has competed successfully in the World Rally Championship as well as in SCCA Pro Rally and Solo II, and has racked up victories in all of these venues. However, this is a first for turbocharged engines in the World Challenge Touring Series, and is the maiden appearance of the Subaru WRX.

Teaming up with Irish Mike�s Racing this year will be GPMoto, Inc., out of Portland , Ore. Sean Logan, owner of GPMoto, and Eric Witte both expressed enthusiasm about being teamed with Irish Mike�s Racing. GPMoto has developed a complete product line to help the Subaru go fast on the track or on the street. A complete line of performance parts from headers to turbo kits to adjustable coil over shocks, every thing a Subaru owner could want, can be found on their website at [url]www.gpmototech.com[/url]. The #26 is carrying the new GPMoto headers.

The Subaru was set up using the data that Irish Mike�s Racing has been able to gather over the past two years with the normally aspirated racecar.

Although dropping out of the SCCA SPEED Touring Car Championship before the 2004 season ended, Flynn continued to deliver stunning performances in SCCA Club Racing and currently sits atop the standing for ITS class in Central Florida Region, and is tuning up for Sebring.

If the performance is as expected at Sebring, and SCCA Pro moves ahead with completing the competition rules for the forced induction entries, Irish Mike�s Racing has two additional chassis that are sitting the race shop ready to be complete as turbocharged racecars.

For more information check out the websites: [url]www.irishmikes.com[/url]. GPMoto�s web site is
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trhoppe 03-09-2005 04:45 PM

I hope that either
a) They relocated the suspension points
or
b) Raised the car for this year

:)

Best of luck!!

-Tom
ratt_finkel 03-09-2005 04:53 PM

Very cool, I will watch the progression closely!
ChrisW 03-09-2005 06:07 PM

awesome! good luck!
Scooby South 03-09-2005 06:27 PM

Well....I Wish Mike the best....I have some part in this project as I have Parts on the car from the shop....;)...

Bill
Storm 03-09-2005 08:10 PM

Sweet! I'm glad to see that they got the cars done and are going forward with the season.....

We also had a small part in funding their team! ;)


Jay Storm
skuttledude 03-09-2005 09:45 PM

Good Luck!!!
We'll be watching!
Hope there is good TV coverage again.
Spectre186 03-10-2005 04:46 PM

[URL=http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97531]Pics of the WRX - Click Here[/URL]
STiTuner 03-14-2005 12:42 AM

Right now there is one other turbo entry for this weeks races (srt4), it'll be interesting to see how they do in testing, and how they fair in the pack on race day.

GOOD LUCK!
Storm 03-14-2005 02:01 AM

I'm surprised there isn't more people running the SRT4. They have a downright cheap program going to build one up.


Jay Storm
STiTuner 03-14-2005 02:24 AM

[QUOTE=Storm]I'm surprised there isn't more people running the SRT4. They have a downright cheap program going to build one up.


Jay Storm[/QUOTE]
From what I understand there are going to be 4 of them, based on what certain manufacturers have sold thus far. I am certain most of them won't make it until mid season though.

Mike was lucky enough to have a platform from the previous season to get a jump start on setting up the car for the new rules. Granted the car isn't going to be as competitive as it could be in the first few races because of the handicaps SCCA has set, but it should make for some very good racing this week none-the-less.

Brad
zzyzx 03-16-2005 03:47 PM

[url="http://www.world-challenge.com/2005/events/seb/tc-pract1.html"]First Practive Session[/url]

Hmm.
GarySheehan 03-16-2005 04:30 PM

No surprises there. The turbos will not be competitive for QUITE some time.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
trhoppe 03-16-2005 04:32 PM

Yea, but 8 seconds per lap? Damn. I guess this is the first time out with the car. I would hope they could be within a few secs per lap pretty soon :)

-Tom
TyrannoSullyRex 03-16-2005 04:35 PM

[QUOTE=trhoppe]Yea, but 8 seconds per lap? Damn. I guess this is the first time out with the car. I would hope they could be within a few secs per lap pretty soon :)

-Tom[/QUOTE]
In all fairness they are the fastest forced induction car, unless all those A4s are 1.8T.
dwx 03-16-2005 04:43 PM

Nah the Stasis ones are 2.8L V6 cars. I have a friend that works at Stasis, although he is not at Sebring currently.

Not a whole lot of parity from top to bottom. Nobody is "within a few seconds" outside of the top 5 cars or so.

Of course things will be made more even if the Mazdas run away with the actual race.
GarySheehan 03-16-2005 05:19 PM

The top 6 positions represent the top 3 teams in the series. The turbo teams are not at the same level as the top teams.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
driggity 03-16-2005 05:33 PM

The top 5 cars were also all running times faster than the lap records so it looks like the top teams aren't exactly sitting around doing nothing. The electrical issues that Irish Mike was having couldn't have helped matters either.
Scoobyslack1 03-16-2005 05:41 PM

no offense to any of the drivers, but the top guys are some great drivers and having a well sorted car helps but a driver can make a big difference.


good luck to all and have a safe race :)
parker/slc/gc8fan 03-16-2005 06:07 PM

good luck irish mike!
Imprezivblue 03-16-2005 06:11 PM

My 21st birthday is tomorrow...and I'm irish....so GOOD LUCK!!!!
zzyzx 03-16-2005 06:13 PM

As a side note, looks like the [url="http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts/05-vts-subaru-wrx-draft.pdf"]WRX VTS[/url] has all the more relevant sections filled in now.
Goodradwrx 03-16-2005 06:20 PM

The Good news is he's still running. The reality is that because of the problems in the past there has not been that much testing. Second session knocked off 1.2 Seconds. See Ya Friday at the track.
johnfelstead 03-16-2005 06:33 PM

Best of luck with the WRX chaps, its a hard slog setting a new car up, but pays you back if you persist and have the right support.
driggity 03-16-2005 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]As a side note, looks like the [url="http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts/05-vts-subaru-wrx-draft.pdf"]WRX VTS[/url] has all the more relevant sections filled in now.[/QUOTE]

Interesting that they still don't list the WRX gear ratios, final drive, or rear LSD as being legal. They also list the firing order incorrectly.
STiTuner 03-16-2005 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=GarySheehan]The top 6 positions represent the top 3 teams in the series. The turbo teams are not at the same level as the top teams.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
everybody was having problems out there today except for tri-point and real time.

two teams couldn't keep their cars running and that SRT-4 was just all over the place.

I was down there yesterday and today for the first test session. and the WRX looks like it was a 26 in it for SURE at this point maybe even a 25. They had a few bugs to work out before the 2nd session today but I'm not sure what all they were able to get done, I'm waiting on a call from them now. The car's got the potential in it to qualify.

Regardless, Mike has been a good sport about the current events and is taking some real initiative to see that these problems are corrected and they can put up a good show.

Best of Luck

Brad
jslegacy 03-16-2005 07:25 PM

teaser shot from tonights session
well the 26 car went out and pulled a fastest lap of 2:27.9 about 5.59 behind the pace lap. He was out for a few laps which kinda sucked and you dont get many photos ops of it, but here is a teaser.

[IMG]http://www.breakawayphoto.com/sebring/day2/JH9U3748.jpg[/IMG]

-jeremy
trhoppe 03-16-2005 07:28 PM

Does anyone know if they have revised the suspension pickup points? If not, that car is WAAAY too low.

-Tom
STiTuner 03-16-2005 07:42 PM

[QUOTE=trhoppe]Does anyone know if they have revised the suspension pickup points? If not, that car is WAAAY too low.

-Tom[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to go into details about what they've done, but the car isn't too low for how they have it setup ;)
MRF582 03-16-2005 07:47 PM

maybe with super stiff springs it doesn't matter what kind of suspension you have. if the wheel barely moves up and down, it's all good.

all i want to know is how close the WRX is to the top runners in terms of power. if it's more than 40HP less than the top runners. there is no frickin' way it's going to be competetive.
johnfelstead 03-16-2005 08:33 PM

Hopefully they have altered the geoms or its roll centre hell for that car. :)

It looks from that picture like its running a bit of negative rake, it might help balance to raise the rear a couple of mm if they are finding its understeering and the steering feels like its going light as they wind the lock in.

Hope they get a good run and keep improving the car over the weekend.
pio!pio! 03-16-2005 08:51 PM

I believe some alteration to the suspension pickup points are allowed in World Challenge?

I hope that is not negative rake but raw acceleration!! :P j/k
johnfelstead 03-16-2005 08:55 PM

so do i. :D then again maybe i dont, as if it isnt, there is time to find in that there chassis. :D Looks like the rear tyres are loaded up more laterally than the fronts, so the balance isnt there yet.
Impreza01 03-16-2005 09:43 PM

no front or rear lsds? That's going to really hamper the car's ability to exit a corner.
MRF582 03-16-2005 09:55 PM

[QUOTE=Impreza01]no front or rear lsds? That's going to really hamper the car's ability to exit a corner.[/QUOTE]

well the WRX comes stock with a rear LSD. don't know how good it is but it's there. does that mean to compete in the speed world challenge they have to retrofit the car with a non-lsd rear diff? if so that is incredibly dumb b/c that means even a stock WRX with a rollcage won't be legal.

but WAIT. it's a got a rear LSD so that must make it competetive.
Impreza01 03-16-2005 10:10 PM

[QUOTE=MRF582]well the WRX comes stock with a rear LSD. don't know how good it is but it's there. does that mean to compete in the speed world challenge they have to retrofit the car with a non-lsd rear diff? if so that is incredibly dumb b/c that means even a stock WRX with a rollcage won't be legal.

but WAIT. it's a got a rear LSD so that must make it competetive.[/QUOTE]

I'm just going by the VTS. It has a special note about the drivetrain saying that both the rear and front must be open. Maybe they're really afraid of the advantages of a turbo and AWD? :confused:
Storm 03-16-2005 10:57 PM

Judging by conversations with folks at IMR, they admittedly had more motor trouble during this transition from NA to FI than most teams might put up with. To say that they are only scratching the suspension surface is an understatement......I believe this was the first outing for the car period......with little to no track time going into this, I think they're at least headed in the right direction.

Jay Storm
STiTuner 03-16-2005 11:40 PM

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9224468&posted=1#post9224468[/url]

Some pics I took at sebring yesterday and this morning.

Brad
zzyzx 03-16-2005 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=MRF582]all i want to know is how close the WRX is to the top runners in terms of power. if it's more than 40HP less than the top runners. there is no frickin' way it's going to be competetive.[/QUOTE]

Power? How about weight:

Acura TSX: 2650 lbs.
Mazda 6: 2650 lbs.
WRX: 2800 lbs.

About the note on the open diffs, I'm shocked. If that's correct (it may not be), then fugetaboutit.

As hamstrung as it the WRX appears, running an RS which has a race weight limit of 2550 lbs. and any diffs you wanted with extensive engine mods sounds like a good deal.
zzyzx 03-16-2005 11:50 PM

[QUOTE=STiTuner]Some pics I took at sebring yesterday and this morning.[/QUOTE]

Ah, that confirms the unloaded ride height F/R. The lack of rake will make that thing push like a bugger, eh John?
STiTuner 03-16-2005 11:52 PM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Power? How about weight:

Acura TSX: 2650 lbs.
Mazda 6: 2650 lbs.
WRX: 2800 lbs.

About the note on the open diffs, I'm shocked. If that's correct (it may not be), then fugetaboutit.

As hamstrung as it the WRX appears, running an RS which has a race weight limit of 2550 lbs. and any diffs you wanted with extensive engine mods sounds like a good deal.[/QUOTE]
Mikes RS motor made plenty of HP for a NA motor, but NO TORQUE. TWE did a good job helping him with that motor but there isn't much R&D done on RS, not half as much support for that as there is for the WRX anyway.

I give it about 3-4 races before SCCA starts lifting some of the restrictions on the WRX VTS
johnfelstead 03-17-2005 08:08 AM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Ah, that confirms the unloaded ride height F/R. The lack of rake will make that thing push like a bugger, eh John?[/QUOTE]

It's always dificult to make statements without knowing the full picture regarding setup, but if they are running stock pickups as sugested by Jay then it may have issues with roll control and camber change running those ride heights. Running negative rake has a tendency to make the front tyre lateral grip levels drop quickly, so you can get a weighting problem where as you increase lock the the lateral load the tyre can generate drops away quicker than it should be, which can lead to understeer.

The other downside to negative rake is it increases aerodynamic drag because the air under the car slows down the further towards the back it travels, this also alters the centre of presure towards the rear which makes the car understeer more at high speed. If you need to generate more front aero grip you want the centre of presure to move forward, and having positive rake will do this normally. Its a similar effect to installing a rear difuser, which actually increases front grip as much as rear. So if you have a balance issue ride height/rake can have a major influence.
STiTuner 03-17-2005 09:07 AM

.....

edited

woops
Opie 03-17-2005 10:20 AM

Just a note: It's very rainy and cloudy today, high temp around 69 degrees. Should make for some interesting qualifying...
trhoppe 03-17-2005 10:39 AM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Ah, that confirms the unloaded ride height F/R. The lack of rake will make that thing push like a bugger, eh John?[/QUOTE]
That and the fact that the whole car is way low resulting in horrible camber curves.

I wonder if they would like to come on here and share their setup so we could help them :lol: :lol:

-Tom
johnfelstead 03-17-2005 10:44 AM

I am sure they are doing just fine Tom. :) I am just hypothosising what i see, it doesnt mean thats the real picture, only they know how sorted the car is dynamically.

I hope they get on top of the problems with the car so they can get some track time and get to work on setup. Just getting a car to an event like that is winning so i hope they are very successful and we see another good story like with Gary Sheehan's program.

If they want a test driver i am free. :D :lol:
trhoppe 03-17-2005 10:47 AM

[quote]I am just hypothosising what i see, it doesnt mean thats the real picture, only they know how sorted the car is dynamically[/quote] Good point :)

-Tom
zzyzx 03-17-2005 12:31 PM

Qualifying has been cancelled due to weather. Top practice times will determine starting positions.
Chaste Automotive 03-17-2005 04:58 PM

This is exactly the reason that we decided not to pursue our WC program this year and instead we have made switch to Grand Am cup most likely running in GS later this year (Laguna Seca is looking good right now). WC officials saw fit to mandate that the cars run open front and rear diffs as well as standard boost and standard turbo. I know for a fact that IMR's car is running some rose jointed rear links but I think they have lacked development time sincethey had so many problems with the motors. Grand Am has a much more interesting series with tons of cars, fuel stops, and driver changes how can you complain!
Opie 03-17-2005 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Qualifying has been cancelled due to weather. Top practice times will determine starting positions.[/QUOTE]

Lame...the one thing the WRX definitly had going for qualifying in the rain was the AWD!
CMJ 03-17-2005 08:29 PM

[QUOTE=Chaste Automotive] Grand Am has a much more interesting series with tons of cars, fuel stops, and driver changes how can you complain![/QUOTE]

What is the diff. in cost between the two series?
zzyzx 03-17-2005 11:41 PM

Just browsing the VTS sheets... Looks like Realtime has it sewed up. They're fielding 3 TSXs and 2 RSXs. And, just to make sure those RSXs aren't slow, they get to use the K24A from the TSX. How nice. The RSX hasn't really been a performer so far. Looks like that's going to change this year.
Chaste Automotive 03-18-2005 12:41 AM

Well they are about even on the cost but because you can run the second driver it brings down your costs since they will have to bring additional funds. WIth races running considerably longer there is more Air Time for sponsors, they are both great series I just feel that Grand Am is the better of the two organizations and I like the fact that we are no longer dealing with the SCCA in any of our programs.
Scooby South 03-18-2005 11:12 AM

Well one thing I can say is the car is well north of 240 AWHP...;)

Motec engine management...Individual cylnder tuning...and some other small tricks...

Not sure on Suspension...but I do know he has the 05 STi Underpods on the car...to help reduce and smooth out the airflow..;)

Bill
johnfelstead 03-18-2005 11:17 AM

how are they policing boost if the ECU is modified?
Scooby South 03-18-2005 11:44 AM

SCCA has monitoring equipement for the ECU or Stand alone to monitor...Plus the MOTEC has full datalog capability...Boost is monitored by SCCA's inline equipement that SCCA installs and seals...

Bill
zzyzx 03-18-2005 12:40 PM

LAP 12
Randy Pobst is currently running away from the field with a 4 second lead over 2nd.
Flynn is in 16th (out of 30th) which isn't bad at all.
The SRT-4 is in 17th.

EDIT: Doh, I spoke too soon, something happened to Pobst and he's dropped down to 25th. Cunningham now leads by 4 seconds.
lukerussell 03-18-2005 12:47 PM

maybe the wrx platform is good for WC after all. the wrx in the race, from what everyone is saying, has zero practice time, engine and electronic gremlins, a suspension yet to be dialed in and is still only 6 seconds off pace on a long track. a little practice, a little tuning, a little help w/ the rules, i think it has potential.

luke
dwx 03-18-2005 12:49 PM

Looks like something happened to Pobst and Peter Cunningham won. With Pobst dropping Flynn ended up in 15th overall.
trhoppe 03-18-2005 02:09 PM

15th definetly works. Good Job!

I had a conversation with some of the guys helping with the car last night and they mentioned that they were having a lot of problems with the brakes that are very directly affecting the car's handling. Pretty much nothing suspension wise can be worked on until they fix the brake issues.

-Tom

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