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"Irish" Mike Flynn To Run Turbocharged WRX In SPEED Touring Car part 5

CMJ 07-05-2005 12:41 PM

[[email�protected]]First one: cleveland, Qual. 14th, best yet, started the race and by turn 2 we were in 7th, but Mike got to ancy you could say and got under Curran in 3. Curran closed the door and we hit him (sorry), started back last and in ten laps back up to 15th___we had a very strong car there. ON lap 12 i believe down shifted into turn one and broke an axle. DONE

Second one: limerock, Qual. like 25th, broke tranny in first practice and missed second. Broke of start (rear end) pinion head broke off!!!! DONE.

The reason for the new problems is if you heard on the telivised version of Cleveland, we are running a DOG BOX, we got approved before the race, just didnt say anything. But they did take a 1 lbs. of boost from us.

So the drive line does not like the new box, but we are working on that. We are skipping the next 2 races ( Sonoma, Portland) to do testing and get ready for Denver. We plan to do the last 3 races of the year, so we want to test this new set up to cure all problems.

the car is very strong and is getting closer, just have to get this reliability of the drive train worked out.

Thanks for all the guys who came out, and see you in Denver

Scott, IMR[/QUOTE]

Will you be able to change the ratios in that dog box from track to track?
[email�protected] 07-05-2005 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=CMJ]Will you be able to change the ratios in that dog box from track to track?[/QUOTE]

look for the revised VTS when it is finished. Also, everyone knows that the stock gearbox (even with JDM gears) is a weak spot. And yes it can definitely mask other problems.

The reason we got this approved is we were breaking 2 gearboxes every race on average. We have had minor axle/ rearend issues, but the abuse that a dogbox and a unsprung Tilton clutch can make on a drive train is well, look at the last two weekends. ( still unexpected that soon)

testing starts friday and hope to get in as much as possible.

Scott, IMR
C17LOAD 07-05-2005 09:49 PM

My wife and I were up there on the hill cheering you on thru the first two corners... oh well. Hope you can work out most of the bugs and get the car in the business next season!
zzyzx 07-06-2005 12:02 AM

Scott - So, for the important question - any word on whether SCCA will allow the 2.5L turbo powerplant that will be standard in the WRX for '06+?
Homemade WRX 07-06-2005 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Scott - So, for the important question - any word on whether SCCA will allow the 2.5L turbo powerplant that will be standard in the WRX for '06+?[/QUOTE]
I would imagine they would kind of have to being that will be the stock/standard us spec engine...otherwise I'm thinking no wrx
zzyzx 07-06-2005 01:44 AM

Not necessarily. For instance, any NA 6 over 2.8L had to be "downsized". For instance, the IS300. In this case, the discrepancy is large, so I think either they'll allow it - with possibly less boost than stock - or bump the WRX to GT with the Legacy GT and STi effectively making it pointless in running the WRX.
baileypicks24 07-06-2005 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=zzyzx]Not necessarily. For instance, any NA 6 over 2.8L had to be "downsized". For instance, the IS300. In this case, the discrepancy is large, so I think either they'll allow it - with possibly less boost than stock - or bump the WRX to GT with the Legacy GT and STi effectively making it pointless in running the WRX.[/QUOTE]

An STI/LGT would be competing against Dodge Vipers in GT...it wouldn't be competetive in GT, let alone the WRX..
Homemade WRX 07-06-2005 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=baileypicks24]An STI/LGT would be competing against Dodge Vipers in GT...it wouldn't be competetive in GT, let alone the WRX..[/QUOTE]
that's what he said...lol
Impreza01 07-06-2005 12:36 PM

[QUOTE=Homemade WRX]it has a slightly longer wheelbase most suspect to be an ALK...[/QUOTE]

Guys take it to another thread.
But to end the debate, the slighter longer wheelbase is due to different control arms that has become standard on all J-spec STis 05+. So all 05 J-spec STis have 100 inch wheelbases. These control arms more importantly ups the total caster to 4.5 degrees, which means dynamic camber is also increased yielding better turn-in and mid-corner stability.

As for the Spec C being a tarmac car, it depends what edition. The Spec C Type RA is marketed as a car that had its suspension tuned on the Nurburgring.
[url]http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/[/url] Then there is the Spec C base car that is used for motorsports and homologated under FIA.
Don Arm 07-06-2005 12:38 PM

Mike, maybe you guy's should start running the USTCC. It seem's to me that the rules are a little better concerning the WRX and the comp that it has to run against.
Check this out. [url]www.USTCC.com[/url]
[B]Brian Lock Wins Round 3 of the Hankook United States Touring Car [/B] Championship Season Opener
The largest field in USTCC history showed up at Buttonwillow Raceway in Southern California for the third round of the NASA sanctioned Hankook Tire United States Touring Car Championship. The record field of 24 cars produced another amazing race, but it was Brian Lock, in the SubyDude.com, Santa Cruz Subaru, DMS North America, Subaru WRX who used a perfect start to pull ahead the field and lead every lap to become the third different winner in as many races.

Though fast all weekend, Brian saved his best for the race when it really mattered. "The Subaru�s all-wheel was an incredible advantage at the standing start." Said a jubilant Lock. "I was able to put all of the Subaru�s power right to the ground and launched into the lead."

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TimStevens 07-06-2005 12:39 PM

I think USTCC is almost entirely run on the wrong coast for this team. Plus, no TV coverage.
Don Arm 07-06-2005 12:53 PM

Nope, thet have an equal number of races on each coast. The best seven results for the year count for the Championship.
goto_racing 07-06-2005 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=Don Arm]Nope, thet have an equal number of races on each coast. The best seven results for the year count for the Championship.[/QUOTE]

The east coast has a little less competition than desired. But the west coast this year is teeming with participants. Every round has seen over 20 cars, and we are loving it.

I would say that USTCC rules do no favor the wrx, But the showroom stock style rules allow you to be competitive for alot less $$ than SWC, and there are no favored or "feared" makes. So it makes sense for alot of our sponsors who get similar magazine coverage for pennies on the dollar. It just depends who your market is.

We get very little TV, but we did score a very cool venue this year, the San Jose Grand Prix, as a support race for CART.

I think IM's car would do really well in USTCC. Top 3 contender for sure. IM, you should think about coming to Hallet OK in Sept for the double points east/west meet. We'd love to see another subaru in the ranks.

Chris Lock
TimStevens 07-06-2005 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=Don Arm]Nope, thet have an equal number of races on each coast. The best seven results for the year count for the Championship.[/QUOTE]

My mistake. The last time I checked out the series was a few years ago and IIRC there were no east-coast events.
Don Arm 07-06-2005 01:39 PM

I agree that there is probably less comp on the east coast but remember NASA began on the west coast. I hope that in the near future things will pick up over here. I've been following the series very closely over the past couple of years. There is a possibility that I may try my hand in the USTCC with my WRX in the near future. ;)

Don
[email�protected] 07-06-2005 06:19 PM

The USTCC series is more of a stock improved touring class, isnt? Our car is way to modified for that. Plus we have got so much time invested into WC that it would be a shame to quit now. Plus its good to see Subies in different series.

As for the 2.5 its (well wait for the VTS) it will be interesting! I know that our finishes here lately have not been up to par, but the car is improving, the new box and setup are making it extremely quick. We havent been able to get good times at the last 3 events because weve never been there before.

we have a top 10 car if we can get everything to work for a whole weekend, but we are still working out the bugs, its not like buying a BMW or TSX that have been sorted. WRXs for WC are a bitch to sort!

that is why we are skipping the next 2 race now, to sort (hopefully)

Scott, IMR
pio!pio! 07-06-2005 06:35 PM

what tracks do you test on? And did you read what I posted in another thread about painting the entire car as an Irish flag? :D:D:D

If you could get a 2.5L VTS change that would be great....the RSX boys get a 2.5L and justified it by sayign their suspension was crappier than the TSX so no worries..since a WRX has Mcpherson struts all aroun and no double wishbones like the TSX then maybe that is a good leveraging tool to get the VTS updated.

And then from there it's only a small jump to saying STi's should be allowed in TC :)
goto_racing 07-06-2005 06:51 PM

[[email�protected]]The USTCC series is more of a stock improved touring class, isnt? Our car is way to modified for that. Plus we have got so much time invested into WC that it would be a shame to quit now. Plus its good to see Subies in different series.
[/QUOTE]

It is more or less IT rules, with notable exceptions in the area of the lightening/stiffening you can do to the car. We had 2 ex-WC cars last event, one current runner, and one car being developed for WC. They were given waivers, but their speeds were comparable. These cars have to run at new weights mandated by USTCC, but that is about all the changes they make.

The basic rule of thumb used in classing USTCC(after a power/weight ratio) is that we have nothing "exotic" on our cars. Everything is a factory part, or a mass-produced after-market bolt on. Very little is custom, which is why it's cheaper. This is also why it is a great place for aftermarket manufacturers and vendors to put their advertising money, because the series really caters to legalizing their products, where other forms of national road racing may forbid the parts. But even the non-exotic rule is just a guideline. Like I said, many WC cars are here, running with few changes except ballast.

IMR, not suggesting you change series. I LOVE watching you guys out there! Just suggesting that if you ever wanted to come and play with us, I am sure you could get it. I would love to pit the two subies against each other :).

Chris Lock
zzyzx 07-06-2005 07:03 PM

Chris - No stand alone engine management in USTCC, correct?
pio!pio! 07-06-2005 07:20 PM

Chris..given those USTCC rules I don't thinkt hat the Irish Mike car can just moveo ver w/ some kind of special dispensation right? World Challenge cars can relocate suspension pickup points and things like that right?
goto_racing 07-06-2005 08:10 PM

[url]http://www.ustcc.com/pdf_doc/USTCC_2005_rules.pdf[/url]

[B]7.18. Electronics
Engine management computers may be modified in any
way, provided that only the original (or �update/backdate
rule� compliant), or OEM equivalent, parts are used,
including circuitry, circuit board, IC chips, resistors,
transistors, etc. All stock removable EPROM chips may
be reprogrammed or replaced with an aftermarket chip.
Sensor values being fed to the OEM computer may be
altered by external means.
...[/B]

One of the interesting things about the USTCC, is that in a quest for car count, the rules have a clause saying the rules are enforced only if allowances don't exist in the VSS for that vehicle. Almost anything can and has been petitioned for, and many things that you read in the rules simply do not apply to alot of the cars. Take every honda in the field. The letter of the rules says that you cannot modify the head, do engine or head internals. That is not true for every honda. In order to get those cars up to speed, each honda VSS states that is allows for open headwork and any piston/rod combo you want as long as your displacement is still 1.8.

So what you have is a series with reletively stock WRX, M3s, SRT-4s running against more modified, Civics, integras, Focus, and Jettas, both or which will cost about the same to buy or build. The philosophy is to not exclude cars that may have been prepped for other series, accept them at a certain level, then make modifications as they perfrom, with the intent of building a fun show of cars that are all about the same speed, and have no other home in Touring Car racing.

I imagine that the IMR wrx could be classed easily, but probably at a higher weight than it is now. Power/weight will be the primarly factor Dave B would use to class the car. If he could make it make sense, they IMR would be in. To give you an idea, we weigh 3050lbs, and make about 220hp/228tq at the wheels.

Chris Lock
[email�protected] 07-06-2005 10:06 PM

To give you an idea, we weigh 3050lbs, and make about 220hp/228tq at the wheels.

Chris Lock[/QUOTE]


are your balists allocated to a certain area or can you put it any where. we do not have a stock wire left in our car(harness).
Man if we had those numbers in WC we would get murdered, even more so than now. I think that WC is getting a better hold on power equalizing in TC.

right now we are allowed 2650lbs. and ***hp/***tq! WOW! but the 100lbs. off rewards weight is really helping now.

our n/a 2.5 last year was allowed 2400lbs. not abtainable though.

Scott, IMR
artpart 07-06-2005 10:14 PM

Very cool,good luck!
pio!pio! 07-06-2005 10:46 PM

[[email�protected]]To give you an idea, we weigh 3050lbs, and make about 220hp/228tq at the wheels.

Chris Lock[/QUOTE]


are your balists allocated to a certain area or can you put it any where. we do not have a stock wire left in our car(harness).
Man if we had those numbers in WC we would get murdered, even more so than now. I think that WC is getting a better hold on power equalizing in TC.

right now we are allowed 2650lbs. and ***hp/***tq! WOW! but the 100lbs. off rewards weight is really helping now.

our n/a 2.5 last year was allowed 2400lbs. not abtainable though.

Scott, IMR[/QUOTE]
are you guys running a traditional motec ecu & datalogger or something else?
goto_racing 07-07-2005 12:57 AM

[[email�protected]]
are your balists allocated to a certain area or can you put it any where. we do not have a stock wire left in our car(harness).

Scott, IMR[/QUOTE]

Any where we want. we have ours in the trunk and passenger footwell.
Our harness is custom too. No rule about that. But sensors and ecu is still stock, chipped by Gruppe-S.
pio!pio! 07-07-2005 04:12 AM

Does USTCC limit data aquisition hardware? Could one be running suspension sensors, temp sensors, strain gauges and pitot tubes out the wazoo?
WTypeRogerX 07-07-2005 07:12 AM

[[email�protected]]the car is very strong and is getting closer, just have to get this reliability of the drive train worked out.

Thanks for all the guys who came out, and see you in Denver[/QUOTE]

Can't remember if this was discussed previously, but have you petitioned WC to use the STi 6-speed tranny?

Very glad to hear you guys are coming to Denver! :)
Hope you get the issues worked out and lots of testing beforehand.
What days will you be in town for the race? Maybe we could one of the Subaru tuner shops and even a dealer to sponsor and/or have a meet before the race. I'll pass the word around and hopefully we can get a big showing of the locals for support. Denver GP hasn't been quite as big with the Subaru crowd in the past when compared to PPIHC with its rally focus. We had a couple hundred owners show up at a PPIHC pre-race meet a couple of years ago, coming as far as Nebraska and CA.
goto_racing 07-07-2005 01:00 PM

[QUOTE=pio!pio!]Does USTCC limit data aquisition hardware? Could one be running suspension sensors, temp sensors, strain gauges and pitot tubes out the wazoo?[/QUOTE]

No limit on data acquisition, but TELEMETRY is right out. It has never been allowed in any NASA class, to my knowlege.

We have been known to mount the Gruppe-S laptop in our car for testing and even during warm-up sessions so Mike W. can tune for the specific conditions of the race. A poor man's data aquisition system :).

Chris Lock
roadracer 08-03-2005 03:07 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Irish Mike�s Racing Heads for High Altitude � Denver Grand Prix � August 12-14, 2005

Orlando, FL. (August 2, 2005)

Denver, the mile high city and home for the CENTRIX Financial Grand Prix of Denver Presented by PacifiCARE, will be the next event where Michael Flynn and Irish Mike�s Racing will compete with the GPMoto Subaru WRX. The Denver Grand Prix race is on a temporary street circuit, more information on the event can be found at [url]http://www.gpdenver.com[/url].
After breaking the differential at the race in Lime Rock, the team has spent weeks going over the car and has replaced everything that might be weakened from the previous races. Then they put the Subaru WRX through its paces in several practice sessions at Moroso Park in South Florida and at Sebring.
The team feels that they are making steady progress with the racecar; Michael feels that it is getting faster every time they go out. �Having made changes in the gearbox has definitely been a plus, now we have to snug up the rest of the car so that we are not breaking things and we can get to the end of the race.�
�If the car performs as we think it should, we should have a very exciting race for the fans in Denver. Since the city is a �mile high�, the turbocharger should help us make more horsepower than our competition.� Pointing out that Denver is known for its many Subaru�s because the All Wheel Drive (AWD) is great in the winter conditions of the region, Flynn said, �We certainly hope that all the Subaru fans come out and support us in our competition in the World Challenge Touring race.�
The weekend of competition begins on Friday, Aug 12, with a practice session from 5:30 pm to 6:30 pm. Then on Saturday, Aug 13, Qualifying will be from 11:45 am to 12:10 pm and the Speed Touring Car Round Nine Race will be held on Saturday, Aug 13, from 6:00 pm to 7:10 pm. The race is scheduled for 50 minutes maximum.
The race will be televised on SPEED Channel on Sunday, Aug 14, at 2:00 pm. [url]http://www.speedtv.com/home.php[/url]
After Denver, the Irish Mike�s Racing team is planning to head for Mosport International Raceway in Canada Sept. 2-4 for the Speed World Challenge with the ALMS Series [url]http://www.mosport.com;[/url] and then finish the season Oct. 14-16 at the Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca again with the ALMS Series [url]www.laguna-seca.com[/url]
ottawars 08-03-2005 07:36 PM

Will you guys be traveling up to Canada for the Mosport event?
MulletSlayer 08-04-2005 05:19 PM

From their press release:

[QUOTE=roadracer] After Denver, the Irish Mike�s Racing team is planning to head for Mosport International Raceway in Canada Sept. 2-4 for the Speed World Challenge with the ALMS Series [/QUOTE]




:D
pio!pio! 08-05-2005 06:55 AM

[quote]After breaking the differential at the race in Lime Rock, the team has spent weeks going over the car and has replaced everything that might be weakened from the previous races[/quote]

you guys upgrade anything to stronger components/materials? what are the rules for testing in WC? Unlimited? Sanctioned test sessions?
Carloswill 08-05-2005 07:04 AM

They towed my car once from UCF :(
roadracer 08-05-2005 09:47 AM

Anything and everything that we do to the car is controlled by the SCCA Pro Vehicle Technical Specification Sheet and General Compitition Rules. Some areas are left open while others have to have the parts listed and approved by SCCA Pro, such as transmissions and other compitetion parts. Tires and wheel sizes mandated with the Toyo tires being required by all. Engine management is open but we are required to run the Stack Data equipment, as are all FI cars. To go over all the rules and regulations would go far beyond the scope of this reply

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