| Leonardo | 03-18-2005 12:57 PM |
I always say in EVERY GP THREAD:
Montoya WILL podium!!!1!
Montoya WILL podium!!!1!
| artkevin | 03-18-2005 02:12 PM |
Thanks Tim. Its a passion of mine and I hope it shows.
Back to the sport:
Schumacher voted 19 to 1 that he was in the wrong in OZ :lol:
Never heard of this before in my life. I think they should have just told him to sit at the back of the class until the semster is over
From F1-live.com:
[COLOR=Navy]Schumacher forced to apologise
Over Australian GP crash
Michael Schumacher
World champion Michael Schumacher was forced to apologise on Friday for crashing into Nick Heidfeld at the first race of the season in Australia.
Schumacher was subjected to a 30-minute barrage of scrutiny as the 18 other drivers on the grid aired their views over who was to blame for the crash between the two Germans in the Australian Grand Prix. And insiders revealed the seven-time World Champion lost out 19:1 in an unprecedented driver vote with even his Ferrari team-mate Rubens Barrichello siding against him in the poll.
The source, who asked not to be named, confirmed: "The drivers discussed the accident between Michael Schumacher and Nick Heidfeld for about 30 minutes and it was decided Schumacher was in the wrong. They voted 19:1 that Schumacher should apologise to Heidfeld. He accepted the decision, stood up and verbally apologised in front of everyone in the room."
Schumacher refused to accept the blame after the incident in Melbourne, in which he came out of the pits and forced Heidfeld onto the grass heading into turn three. The pair collided and Heidfeld's race was ended immediately. Schumacher was pushed out of the gravel trap and returned to the pits but was also forced to retire from the race.
Schumacher reacted sternly to reporters when questioned over the crash and said: "I have seen Nick and it is all over. Now is the time to throw this topic away, it's finished."
Schumacher absolved himself of blame after the incident but Heidfeld was not so sure and admitted he was disappointed that he was forced out of the race by the world champion. But he is now ready to forget the incident.
"It was not the position we would have wanted to be in," Heidfeld told reporters at Sepang. "The team would have wanted both cars to finish the race in Melbourne. It (the crash) is all over now. I don't need to think about it anymore, it's not important anymore. I just want to concentrate on doing well for the team in Sepang and I am looking forward to the race."[/COLOR]
Back to the sport:
Schumacher voted 19 to 1 that he was in the wrong in OZ :lol:
Never heard of this before in my life. I think they should have just told him to sit at the back of the class until the semster is over
From F1-live.com:
[COLOR=Navy]Schumacher forced to apologise
Over Australian GP crash
Michael Schumacher
World champion Michael Schumacher was forced to apologise on Friday for crashing into Nick Heidfeld at the first race of the season in Australia.
Schumacher was subjected to a 30-minute barrage of scrutiny as the 18 other drivers on the grid aired their views over who was to blame for the crash between the two Germans in the Australian Grand Prix. And insiders revealed the seven-time World Champion lost out 19:1 in an unprecedented driver vote with even his Ferrari team-mate Rubens Barrichello siding against him in the poll.
The source, who asked not to be named, confirmed: "The drivers discussed the accident between Michael Schumacher and Nick Heidfeld for about 30 minutes and it was decided Schumacher was in the wrong. They voted 19:1 that Schumacher should apologise to Heidfeld. He accepted the decision, stood up and verbally apologised in front of everyone in the room."
Schumacher refused to accept the blame after the incident in Melbourne, in which he came out of the pits and forced Heidfeld onto the grass heading into turn three. The pair collided and Heidfeld's race was ended immediately. Schumacher was pushed out of the gravel trap and returned to the pits but was also forced to retire from the race.
Schumacher reacted sternly to reporters when questioned over the crash and said: "I have seen Nick and it is all over. Now is the time to throw this topic away, it's finished."
Schumacher absolved himself of blame after the incident but Heidfeld was not so sure and admitted he was disappointed that he was forced out of the race by the world champion. But he is now ready to forget the incident.
"It was not the position we would have wanted to be in," Heidfeld told reporters at Sepang. "The team would have wanted both cars to finish the race in Melbourne. It (the crash) is all over now. I don't need to think about it anymore, it's not important anymore. I just want to concentrate on doing well for the team in Sepang and I am looking forward to the race."[/COLOR]
| TimStevens | 03-18-2005 02:17 PM |
:eek: :lol: x999
| ingko | 03-18-2005 02:40 PM |
schumacher must be burning white hot for being forced to apologize. i bet his head feels hot like pedros.
| Bonzo | 03-18-2005 03:39 PM |
:lol: I bet the one vote was Schuey himself. :lol:
| artkevin | 03-18-2005 03:58 PM |
:lol: Yeah, I think it would look strange if it was 20-0.
| Dussander | 03-18-2005 03:58 PM |
What a strange, yet interesting, season we have had so far.
| BriDrive | 03-18-2005 05:25 PM |
What is this sport coming to !?!?!?!?!?!???????
After the forced intervention...I will turn around, vomit, and walk away from F1 forever if I find out they then, ALL stood up, held hands and commenced kumbayyah......
What a pathetic and humiliating exercise.....
Will this now take place for every perceived and /or actual on-track slight that occurs?
Grow up boys...man up boys....pretend once again you are all in the fastest, most brutal and expensive cars on the planet...and that you are all tough guys...and that you all openly desire to OWN all competition everytime you get on track....and stop shaving the hair off your chest and legs also......Juan Manuel Fangio is rolling over right now............
BriDrive
After the forced intervention...I will turn around, vomit, and walk away from F1 forever if I find out they then, ALL stood up, held hands and commenced kumbayyah......
What a pathetic and humiliating exercise.....
Will this now take place for every perceived and /or actual on-track slight that occurs?
Grow up boys...man up boys....pretend once again you are all in the fastest, most brutal and expensive cars on the planet...and that you are all tough guys...and that you all openly desire to OWN all competition everytime you get on track....and stop shaving the hair off your chest and legs also......Juan Manuel Fangio is rolling over right now............
BriDrive
| ArtGecko | 03-18-2005 05:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander][quote] Come on....doesn't anyone take JPM over Kimi?[/quote]
I did.
Also, JPM got second last year in this race and set the fastest lap.[/QUOTE]
Me too! I picked him to win. I don't think I've ever done that before! See. Maybe things aren't going to be so predictable here in the beginning of the season. (or I'm flat out wrong, which is more likely...)
I did.
Also, JPM got second last year in this race and set the fastest lap.[/QUOTE]
Me too! I picked him to win. I don't think I've ever done that before! See. Maybe things aren't going to be so predictable here in the beginning of the season. (or I'm flat out wrong, which is more likely...)
| AndyRoo | 03-18-2005 05:42 PM |
[QUOTE=BriDrive]What is this sport coming to !?!?!?!?!?!???????
After the forced intervention...I will turn around, vomit, and walk away from F1 forever if I find out they then, ALL stood up, held hands and commenced kumbayyah......
What a pathetic and humiliating exercise.....
Will this now take place for every perceived and /or actual on-track slight that occurs?
Grow up boys...man up boys....pretend once again you are all in the fastest, most brutal and expensive cars on the planet...and that you are all tough guys...and that you all openly desire to OWN all competition everytime you get on track....and stop shaving the hair off your chest and legs also......Juan Manuel Fangio is rolling over right now............
BriDrive[/QUOTE]
as absolutely hilarious as that situation must have been...i gotta agree with you. i hope they don't have one of these votes again.
still...i gotta throw in the :lol: . I can't imagine how embarassed/humiliated Schuey must have been.
- andrew
After the forced intervention...I will turn around, vomit, and walk away from F1 forever if I find out they then, ALL stood up, held hands and commenced kumbayyah......
What a pathetic and humiliating exercise.....
Will this now take place for every perceived and /or actual on-track slight that occurs?
Grow up boys...man up boys....pretend once again you are all in the fastest, most brutal and expensive cars on the planet...and that you are all tough guys...and that you all openly desire to OWN all competition everytime you get on track....and stop shaving the hair off your chest and legs also......Juan Manuel Fangio is rolling over right now............
BriDrive[/QUOTE]
as absolutely hilarious as that situation must have been...i gotta agree with you. i hope they don't have one of these votes again.
still...i gotta throw in the :lol: . I can't imagine how embarassed/humiliated Schuey must have been.
- andrew
| johnfelstead | 03-18-2005 08:30 PM |
eww errr
Davidson replaces Sato for this race as Taku is ill with a fever. This should be interesting. :D
Davidson replaces Sato for this race as Taku is ill with a fever. This should be interesting. :D
| johnfelstead | 03-18-2005 08:57 PM |
saturday practice 1 session
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:34.715
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:34.883
3 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:34.930
4 9 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.054
5 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:35.573
6 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:35.645
7 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.850
8 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:36.162
9 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:36.434
10 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:36.465
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:36.888
12 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:36.903
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:36.987
14 4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:37.049
15 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:37.204
16 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:37.850
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:38.444
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:39.349
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 1:41.398
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:42.023
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:34.715
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:34.883
3 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:34.930
4 9 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.054
5 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:35.573
6 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:35.645
7 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.850
8 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:36.162
9 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:36.434
10 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:36.465
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:36.888
12 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:36.903
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:36.987
14 4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:37.049
15 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:37.204
16 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:37.850
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:38.444
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:39.349
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 1:41.398
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:42.023
| Ferg | 03-18-2005 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE=BriDrive]....Juan Manuel Fangio is rolling over right now.....[/QUOTE]
The ironic thing is that Fangio was without a doubt one of the cleanest racing drivers ever. Most of the guys from his era were, they had to be. There was no fooling around, swerving, or banging wheels...the guys that did got a very stern talking to from the other drivers or died off pretty quick.
You call todays cars the most brutal, please. I think the turbo cars from the early 80s were a hell of a lot tougher to drive than todays machines...1300bhp on full boost and super sticky qualifying tires, plus ground effects that stuck you to the ground in corners...and not even in the same galaxy as far as safety...you hit something in one of those cars and that was it. The fact that a modern F1 car is so safe (relatively speaking of course) means drivers like Schumacher (and Senna before him) can get away with driving like an assbag.
Schumacher was in the wrong, the other driver's called him on it.
Good!
Who cares if they took a vote, the point was made.
The ironic thing is that Fangio was without a doubt one of the cleanest racing drivers ever. Most of the guys from his era were, they had to be. There was no fooling around, swerving, or banging wheels...the guys that did got a very stern talking to from the other drivers or died off pretty quick.
You call todays cars the most brutal, please. I think the turbo cars from the early 80s were a hell of a lot tougher to drive than todays machines...1300bhp on full boost and super sticky qualifying tires, plus ground effects that stuck you to the ground in corners...and not even in the same galaxy as far as safety...you hit something in one of those cars and that was it. The fact that a modern F1 car is so safe (relatively speaking of course) means drivers like Schumacher (and Senna before him) can get away with driving like an assbag.
Schumacher was in the wrong, the other driver's called him on it.
Good!
Who cares if they took a vote, the point was made.
| finnRex | 03-18-2005 09:41 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]eww errr
Davidson replaces Sato for this race as Taku is ill with a fever. This should be interesting. :D[/QUOTE]
Good. Now they have a better chance of a car surviving the weekend :lol: . I'd like to see Ant get a break and I hope he does well. Sato=fast at times, but way too inconsistent.
Mika
Davidson replaces Sato for this race as Taku is ill with a fever. This should be interesting. :D[/QUOTE]
Good. Now they have a better chance of a car surviving the weekend :lol: . I'd like to see Ant get a break and I hope he does well. Sato=fast at times, but way too inconsistent.
Mika
| johnfelstead | 03-18-2005 10:12 PM |
saturday practice2
1 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:32.832
2 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:32.870
3 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:32.880
4 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:32.951
5 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:33.092
6 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:33.194
7 9 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.349
8 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:33.468
9 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:33.517
10 4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:33.580
11 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.689
12 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:33.943
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:34.002
14 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:34.102
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:35.532
16 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:37.824
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:38.126
18 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.673
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.974
20 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda
Jenson didnt run for some reason? They all seem pretty close at the top with RBR showing a lot of pace again. JV is off the pace it seems.
1 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:32.832
2 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:32.870
3 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:32.880
4 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:32.951
5 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:33.092
6 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:33.194
7 9 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.349
8 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:33.468
9 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:33.517
10 4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:33.580
11 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.689
12 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:33.943
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:34.002
14 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:34.102
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:35.532
16 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:37.824
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:38.126
18 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.673
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.974
20 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda
Jenson didnt run for some reason? They all seem pretty close at the top with RBR showing a lot of pace again. JV is off the pace it seems.
| bemani | 03-19-2005 03:33 AM |
Lets see if Trulli can keep his position this time ...
| johnfelstead | 03-19-2005 11:38 AM |
They havnt finished qualifying yet. ;)
| rupertberr | 03-19-2005 11:46 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]
As far as me being a bigger F1 freak than you...I don't know...Do you buy a copy of Autocourse at the end of every season?
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/40925354/large.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
Since 1976. :D :banana:
Hunt the Shunt on the front cover!
As far as me being a bigger F1 freak than you...I don't know...Do you buy a copy of Autocourse at the end of every season?
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/40925354/large.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
Since 1976. :D :banana:
Hunt the Shunt on the front cover!
| Ferg | 03-19-2005 12:38 PM |
Nice! :D That makes me so jealous.
One day I'd like to have every edition, but once you get down to the early 1980s and before they start getting really spendy.
I flipped through a 1964 Autocourse at the Powell's Books rare book room in Portland a few years ago...they only wanted three hundred for it. :(
One day I'd like to have every edition, but once you get down to the early 1980s and before they start getting really spendy.
I flipped through a 1964 Autocourse at the Powell's Books rare book room in Portland a few years ago...they only wanted three hundred for it. :(
| Ferg | 03-19-2005 12:43 PM |
All the news that's fit to print...
[QUOTE] Alonso Fastest in Qualifying 1 - Malaysia [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Will GraySaturday, 19 March 2005 05:58
Fernando Alonso continued Renault's assault on the front of Formula One at Sepang on Saturday when he set the fastest time in first qualifying for Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.
As World Champions Ferrari struggled in the sizzling heat Alonso gave himself the chance of securing a fourth career pole on Sunday morning with an impressive time of 1:32.582.
The lap was significantly faster than last year's pole position time set by Schumacher and put Alonso 0.090 seconds clear of second-placed Jarno Trulli's impressively fast Toyota.
Alonso set his time late in the session to push himself ahead of Italian Jarno Trulli, who has set a blistering pace all weekend in the intense heat at the Sepang circuit but just failed to hold onto the top spot.
Australian Grand Prix winner Giancarlo Fisichella slotted into third, Finn Kimi Raikkonen finished fourth for McLaren with German Ralf Schumacher, in the second Toyota, fifth fastest and Australian Mark Webber sixth for Williams.
Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya failed to match his McLaren teammate's pace and finished seventh after a ragged lap and German Nick Heidfeld similarly struggled to match teammate Webber and had to settle for eighth.
Briton Jenson Button, who suffered engine concerns in the final practice session and failed to set a time, overcame his problems to finish ninth while Austrian Christian Klien completed the top ten for Red Bull Racing.
Anthony Davidson was first out for BAR-Honda, having replaced ill Japanese driver Takuma Sato for the rest of the weekend, and he set a cautious time of 1:34.866 in temperatures of 37 degrees.
Schumacher, who crashed out of the season-opening race in Australia, was out soon after and he managed a time almost 1.5 seconds faster but was still beaten by Williams driver Nick Heidfeld, who he collided with in the preceding race.
The next group of cars, including the Sauber of struggling Canadian Jacques Villeneuve, failed to match the pace of the front-runners and the leading order remained the same as the session headed towards its halfway point.
Briton Jenson Button, who missed the final practice session with an oil problem, then set a time more than 1.2 seconds faster than Davidson to slot in behind Heidfeld in second before Ralf Schumacher moved into the top spot.
Felipe Massa then set a time 0.7 seconds faster than Villeneuve to pour more pressure on the former World Champion before Trulli, the pacesetter for much of the weekend, moved to the top of the times ahead of teammate Schumacher.
Raikkonen slotted into second, just 0.l67 seconds behind Trulli, and Christian Klien was unable to match the lead pace as he finished more than a second down in his Red Bull Racing machine.
Montoya could only finish half a second slower than teammate Raikkonen after running over the kerbs during his flying lap and both Webber and Coulthard failed to shine on their efforts late in the session.
[b]Pos Driver Team Time[/b]
1. (18) Alonso Renault (M) 1:32.582
2. (12) Trulli Toyota (M) 1:32.672 + 0.090
3. (20) Fisichella Renault (M) 1:32.765 + 0.183
4. (13) Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:32.839 + 0.257
5. (9) R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:33.106 + 0.524
6. (16) Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:33.204 + 0.622
7. (15) Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:33.333 + 0.751
8. (3) Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:33.464 + 0.882
9. (10) Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:33.616 + 1.034
10. (14) Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:33.724 + 1.142
11. (17) Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:33.809 + 1.227
12. (4) M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:34.072 + 1.490
13. (11) Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:34.151 + 1.569
14. (19) Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:34.162 + 1.580
15. (1) Davidson BAR-Honda (M) 1:34.866 + 2.284
16. (8) Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:34.887 + 2.305
17. (7) Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:37.806 + 5.224
18. (6) Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:37.856 + 5.274
19. (5) Freisacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:39.268 + 6.686
20. (2) Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:40.432 + 7.850
[i]All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE][/i]
[QUOTE] Alonso Fastest in Qualifying 1 - Malaysia [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Will GraySaturday, 19 March 2005 05:58
Fernando Alonso continued Renault's assault on the front of Formula One at Sepang on Saturday when he set the fastest time in first qualifying for Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.
As World Champions Ferrari struggled in the sizzling heat Alonso gave himself the chance of securing a fourth career pole on Sunday morning with an impressive time of 1:32.582.
The lap was significantly faster than last year's pole position time set by Schumacher and put Alonso 0.090 seconds clear of second-placed Jarno Trulli's impressively fast Toyota.
Alonso set his time late in the session to push himself ahead of Italian Jarno Trulli, who has set a blistering pace all weekend in the intense heat at the Sepang circuit but just failed to hold onto the top spot.
Australian Grand Prix winner Giancarlo Fisichella slotted into third, Finn Kimi Raikkonen finished fourth for McLaren with German Ralf Schumacher, in the second Toyota, fifth fastest and Australian Mark Webber sixth for Williams.
Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya failed to match his McLaren teammate's pace and finished seventh after a ragged lap and German Nick Heidfeld similarly struggled to match teammate Webber and had to settle for eighth.
Briton Jenson Button, who suffered engine concerns in the final practice session and failed to set a time, overcame his problems to finish ninth while Austrian Christian Klien completed the top ten for Red Bull Racing.
Anthony Davidson was first out for BAR-Honda, having replaced ill Japanese driver Takuma Sato for the rest of the weekend, and he set a cautious time of 1:34.866 in temperatures of 37 degrees.
Schumacher, who crashed out of the season-opening race in Australia, was out soon after and he managed a time almost 1.5 seconds faster but was still beaten by Williams driver Nick Heidfeld, who he collided with in the preceding race.
The next group of cars, including the Sauber of struggling Canadian Jacques Villeneuve, failed to match the pace of the front-runners and the leading order remained the same as the session headed towards its halfway point.
Briton Jenson Button, who missed the final practice session with an oil problem, then set a time more than 1.2 seconds faster than Davidson to slot in behind Heidfeld in second before Ralf Schumacher moved into the top spot.
Felipe Massa then set a time 0.7 seconds faster than Villeneuve to pour more pressure on the former World Champion before Trulli, the pacesetter for much of the weekend, moved to the top of the times ahead of teammate Schumacher.
Raikkonen slotted into second, just 0.l67 seconds behind Trulli, and Christian Klien was unable to match the lead pace as he finished more than a second down in his Red Bull Racing machine.
Montoya could only finish half a second slower than teammate Raikkonen after running over the kerbs during his flying lap and both Webber and Coulthard failed to shine on their efforts late in the session.
[b]Pos Driver Team Time[/b]
1. (18) Alonso Renault (M) 1:32.582
2. (12) Trulli Toyota (M) 1:32.672 + 0.090
3. (20) Fisichella Renault (M) 1:32.765 + 0.183
4. (13) Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:32.839 + 0.257
5. (9) R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:33.106 + 0.524
6. (16) Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:33.204 + 0.622
7. (15) Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:33.333 + 0.751
8. (3) Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:33.464 + 0.882
9. (10) Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:33.616 + 1.034
10. (14) Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:33.724 + 1.142
11. (17) Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:33.809 + 1.227
12. (4) M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:34.072 + 1.490
13. (11) Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:34.151 + 1.569
14. (19) Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:34.162 + 1.580
15. (1) Davidson BAR-Honda (M) 1:34.866 + 2.284
16. (8) Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:34.887 + 2.305
17. (7) Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:37.806 + 5.224
18. (6) Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:37.856 + 5.274
19. (5) Freisacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:39.268 + 6.686
20. (2) Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:40.432 + 7.850
[i]All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE][/i]
| rupertberr | 03-19-2005 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Nice! :D That makes me so jealous.
One day I'd like to have every edition, but once you get down to the early 1980s and before they start getting really spendy.
I flipped through a 1964 Autocourse at the Powell's Books rare book room in Portland a few years ago...they only wanted three hundred for it. :([/QUOTE]
Unfortunately the first 5 years I used them as books not collectors items. Those covers are pretty beat up. :( Now I don't let anyone touch them! :D
So Michael on the back end of the grid again. :eek: How very interesting.
One day I'd like to have every edition, but once you get down to the early 1980s and before they start getting really spendy.
I flipped through a 1964 Autocourse at the Powell's Books rare book room in Portland a few years ago...they only wanted three hundred for it. :([/QUOTE]
Unfortunately the first 5 years I used them as books not collectors items. Those covers are pretty beat up. :( Now I don't let anyone touch them! :D
So Michael on the back end of the grid again. :eek: How very interesting.
| Ferg | 03-19-2005 12:46 PM |
Driver's press conference from last night.
[QUOTE] Post-Qualifying Press Conference [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
Saturday, 19 March 2005 12:03
[i]TV Unilaterals[/i]
[b]Q. How is it to be on provisional pole position here? [/b]
[b]Fernando Alonso:[/b] Yesterday, we had a few problems, but the engineers did a very good job last night and we again found a quick and easy car to drive this morning. And now in qualifying you can't make a mistake on the single lap, but you have to push. And that's not only today; you have to have a little gap for tomorrow's qualifying and this is quite difficult, but at the end we managed to do a good lap and this first position is a great result for us.
[b]Q. It was a very intense-looking qualifying session, everybody running light fuel, new tyres and very, very close� [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] Yeah, very close. Since yesterday, the sessions have been very, very close. The times are maybe closer than ever here in Sepang and this makes the qualifying even more interesting, and for tomorrow as well.
[b]Q. Jarno, you were quickest this morning. We could talk about the rain in Melbourne, but here there's no doubting your speed and that great lap you put in�. [/b]
[b]Jarno Trulli:[/b] Yeah, I'm pretty happy about the result and especially for the team, which has been working really hard to give me an updated car aerodynamically and all my mechanics who have worked really hard to give me a fantastic car. We look pretty competitive here. At the moment, I have mixed feelings as I'm sure I'm happy about my result, but on the other hand I'm shocked because I've just heard the news that a friend of mine has just died, so I want to dedicate this front row to Stefano.
[b]Q. Giancarlo, coming off that win in Australia, the momentum continues for the Renault team. Talk us through that lap in the closing minutes of qualifying? [/b]
[b]Giancarlo Fisichella:[/b] Yeah, not bad. It's nice to be here again. I'm third quickest and considering a bit of under-steer and a couple of mistakes, it's not bad, I'm happy. We are still competitive, we can still fight to get on the podium and maybe to win the race again. I'm happy to be here with Fernando and Jarno. Tomorrow there is another important qualifying session. Even with high fuel the car balance � I mean the potential was good yesterday, maybe the car balance wasn't fantastic but today was better and for tomorrow we are quite optimistic.
[b]Q. With the new engine regulations we're going into uncharted territory now in Formula One. You'll be running the engine with which you won the Australian Grand Prix, how does that feel - race two with the same engine? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Honestly, yesterday, as soon as I went full throttle, I was really scared because the power is much less because it's much hotter than Australia, but then the engine is still consistent, it's still strong. I saved the engine in the Australian Grand Prix so I think my engine is quite fresh. You never know, but I'm quite optimistic about that.
[b]Q. Fernando, coming back to you, 53 degrees track temperatures when you were out today. Talk a little bit about the heat and what that's like from the driver's point of view, and also from the car's point of view� [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] Yeah, well it's a little more difficult to drive with hot track temperatures. The steering becomes quite heavy, and you suffer a little bit of over-steer normally and this will be important for tomorrow's race, with the hot temperatures and only one set of tyres. For the driver, I think we all feel the same: very hot temperatures inside, we sweat a lot in the helmet and it's a little bit uncomfortable to drive like this, but, anyway, I like the Sepang circuit so much that it doesn't matter if it's too hot.
[i]Press Conference[/i]
[b]Q. Fernando, what is it about this circuit that makes you love it so much? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] I always felt very comfortable here in Sepang. For me, it is the best circuit in the world in terms of the driver. I like all the corners here, like Spa, from the drivers' point of view � high speed, low speed, it is very wide and not bumpy, so you have everything here to enjoy the lap.
[b]Q. Giancarlo said he noticed his engine was down on power because of the heat, what about you? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] The same. Down on power because of running with these very hot temperatures and high humidity. In Australia, I think I used more of the tyres, from that point of view, because I was pushing every lap and I think the engine revs were more or less the same through the whole race. I am totally confident. I am 100 per cent confident that the engine will not have a problem at all in the race.
[b]Q. Following the rain-affected session in Australia, this is the first �proper' qualifying so now how do you approach tomorrow? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] I am more confident than I was in Australia. I was nearly crying after Friday and now I am smiling. I think in Australia I was competitive on Friday and Saturday morning like I was here this morning and then in qualifying I did not show the potential of the Renault car and I was lucky to have a good race afterwards. Here with normal qualifying, we have shown again that both Renault cars can be in the top three and this is fantastic news for the team.
[b]Q. Jarno, obviously this is confirmation of the speed of the Toyota over a single lap. Is that a surprise to you? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Not really. This morning we were competitive and during the whole weekend we have been always quite good. I have to thank the team because they have been working really hard at the factory to bring some up-to-date aero package so we are moving ahead and this is what I expected at the beginning of the season. Things will be improving for the future because everybody is pushing hard and I want to thank them because the car here has been competitive, easy to drive and hopefully also will be good during the race.
[b]Q. In Australia, you had the problem of going, well, not quite backwards� [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Well, yes, Australia - it was not expected what happened. We, I, had a problem with one of the rear tyres which made my race pretty difficult by the end of the first thing to the end of the race, but here I think is slightly different, so we have to just wait and see.
[b]Q. You are pretty confident of maintaining your pace and being more consistent? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] From what I have seen yes, the car has been quite consistent for a long run. Actually with the heat you can expect anything and again any problems with the tyres will be really bad for this kind of race because you are not able to change the tyres anymore.
[b]Q. Giancarlo, third� Are you happy with that? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Yes, I am happy. I am. Honestly. I had a bit of under-steer and I made a couple of mistakes so apart from that third is great. Fernando is first quickest and the quickest today and that means Renault is still strong even on this circuit, which is a very important circuit. There are lots of high speed and slow speed corners. So the potential is very good. Yesterday the car balance wasn't fantastic, but today it's better. And we are optimistic for the race. We have another important qualifying session tomorrow with high fuel load, so, yes, it is good.
[b]Q. You obviously want to bump him off pole position and yet the two of you will be in briefing together. How do you approach tomorrow? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Well I will do my best. It is going to be different with a lot of fuel. It will be important to do 100 per cent, but if you make a small mistake you can lose a good chance to be at the top two or three rows. It is important to do a clean lap. I hope do well, to be in the first row. We will see tomorrow.
[b]Q. Did you do a low fuel run this morning? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] I was lower than yesterday but not completely empty like a qualifying session.
[i]Questions From The Floor[/i]
[b]Q (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazetta dello Sport): Jarno, a clarification from you please. Shortly before, on television, you dedicated your front row place to Stefano. Can you tell us some more about who he is? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Well he is a friend of mine and he is a rescue pilot. He pilots �Canadair' and yesterday there was a fire I think in Italy and he was really unlucky � after landing on the water and taking off I think he has hit the electrical cables.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Post-Qualifying Press Conference [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
Saturday, 19 March 2005 12:03
[i]TV Unilaterals[/i]
[b]Q. How is it to be on provisional pole position here? [/b]
[b]Fernando Alonso:[/b] Yesterday, we had a few problems, but the engineers did a very good job last night and we again found a quick and easy car to drive this morning. And now in qualifying you can't make a mistake on the single lap, but you have to push. And that's not only today; you have to have a little gap for tomorrow's qualifying and this is quite difficult, but at the end we managed to do a good lap and this first position is a great result for us.
[b]Q. It was a very intense-looking qualifying session, everybody running light fuel, new tyres and very, very close� [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] Yeah, very close. Since yesterday, the sessions have been very, very close. The times are maybe closer than ever here in Sepang and this makes the qualifying even more interesting, and for tomorrow as well.
[b]Q. Jarno, you were quickest this morning. We could talk about the rain in Melbourne, but here there's no doubting your speed and that great lap you put in�. [/b]
[b]Jarno Trulli:[/b] Yeah, I'm pretty happy about the result and especially for the team, which has been working really hard to give me an updated car aerodynamically and all my mechanics who have worked really hard to give me a fantastic car. We look pretty competitive here. At the moment, I have mixed feelings as I'm sure I'm happy about my result, but on the other hand I'm shocked because I've just heard the news that a friend of mine has just died, so I want to dedicate this front row to Stefano.
[b]Q. Giancarlo, coming off that win in Australia, the momentum continues for the Renault team. Talk us through that lap in the closing minutes of qualifying? [/b]
[b]Giancarlo Fisichella:[/b] Yeah, not bad. It's nice to be here again. I'm third quickest and considering a bit of under-steer and a couple of mistakes, it's not bad, I'm happy. We are still competitive, we can still fight to get on the podium and maybe to win the race again. I'm happy to be here with Fernando and Jarno. Tomorrow there is another important qualifying session. Even with high fuel the car balance � I mean the potential was good yesterday, maybe the car balance wasn't fantastic but today was better and for tomorrow we are quite optimistic.
[b]Q. With the new engine regulations we're going into uncharted territory now in Formula One. You'll be running the engine with which you won the Australian Grand Prix, how does that feel - race two with the same engine? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Honestly, yesterday, as soon as I went full throttle, I was really scared because the power is much less because it's much hotter than Australia, but then the engine is still consistent, it's still strong. I saved the engine in the Australian Grand Prix so I think my engine is quite fresh. You never know, but I'm quite optimistic about that.
[b]Q. Fernando, coming back to you, 53 degrees track temperatures when you were out today. Talk a little bit about the heat and what that's like from the driver's point of view, and also from the car's point of view� [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] Yeah, well it's a little more difficult to drive with hot track temperatures. The steering becomes quite heavy, and you suffer a little bit of over-steer normally and this will be important for tomorrow's race, with the hot temperatures and only one set of tyres. For the driver, I think we all feel the same: very hot temperatures inside, we sweat a lot in the helmet and it's a little bit uncomfortable to drive like this, but, anyway, I like the Sepang circuit so much that it doesn't matter if it's too hot.
[i]Press Conference[/i]
[b]Q. Fernando, what is it about this circuit that makes you love it so much? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] I always felt very comfortable here in Sepang. For me, it is the best circuit in the world in terms of the driver. I like all the corners here, like Spa, from the drivers' point of view � high speed, low speed, it is very wide and not bumpy, so you have everything here to enjoy the lap.
[b]Q. Giancarlo said he noticed his engine was down on power because of the heat, what about you? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] The same. Down on power because of running with these very hot temperatures and high humidity. In Australia, I think I used more of the tyres, from that point of view, because I was pushing every lap and I think the engine revs were more or less the same through the whole race. I am totally confident. I am 100 per cent confident that the engine will not have a problem at all in the race.
[b]Q. Following the rain-affected session in Australia, this is the first �proper' qualifying so now how do you approach tomorrow? [/b]
[b]FA:[/b] I am more confident than I was in Australia. I was nearly crying after Friday and now I am smiling. I think in Australia I was competitive on Friday and Saturday morning like I was here this morning and then in qualifying I did not show the potential of the Renault car and I was lucky to have a good race afterwards. Here with normal qualifying, we have shown again that both Renault cars can be in the top three and this is fantastic news for the team.
[b]Q. Jarno, obviously this is confirmation of the speed of the Toyota over a single lap. Is that a surprise to you? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Not really. This morning we were competitive and during the whole weekend we have been always quite good. I have to thank the team because they have been working really hard at the factory to bring some up-to-date aero package so we are moving ahead and this is what I expected at the beginning of the season. Things will be improving for the future because everybody is pushing hard and I want to thank them because the car here has been competitive, easy to drive and hopefully also will be good during the race.
[b]Q. In Australia, you had the problem of going, well, not quite backwards� [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Well, yes, Australia - it was not expected what happened. We, I, had a problem with one of the rear tyres which made my race pretty difficult by the end of the first thing to the end of the race, but here I think is slightly different, so we have to just wait and see.
[b]Q. You are pretty confident of maintaining your pace and being more consistent? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] From what I have seen yes, the car has been quite consistent for a long run. Actually with the heat you can expect anything and again any problems with the tyres will be really bad for this kind of race because you are not able to change the tyres anymore.
[b]Q. Giancarlo, third� Are you happy with that? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Yes, I am happy. I am. Honestly. I had a bit of under-steer and I made a couple of mistakes so apart from that third is great. Fernando is first quickest and the quickest today and that means Renault is still strong even on this circuit, which is a very important circuit. There are lots of high speed and slow speed corners. So the potential is very good. Yesterday the car balance wasn't fantastic, but today it's better. And we are optimistic for the race. We have another important qualifying session tomorrow with high fuel load, so, yes, it is good.
[b]Q. You obviously want to bump him off pole position and yet the two of you will be in briefing together. How do you approach tomorrow? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] Well I will do my best. It is going to be different with a lot of fuel. It will be important to do 100 per cent, but if you make a small mistake you can lose a good chance to be at the top two or three rows. It is important to do a clean lap. I hope do well, to be in the first row. We will see tomorrow.
[b]Q. Did you do a low fuel run this morning? [/b]
[b]GF:[/b] I was lower than yesterday but not completely empty like a qualifying session.
[i]Questions From The Floor[/i]
[b]Q (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazetta dello Sport): Jarno, a clarification from you please. Shortly before, on television, you dedicated your front row place to Stefano. Can you tell us some more about who he is? [/b]
[b]JT:[/b] Well he is a friend of mine and he is a rescue pilot. He pilots �Canadair' and yesterday there was a fire I think in Italy and he was really unlucky � after landing on the water and taking off I think he has hit the electrical cables.[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 03-19-2005 12:54 PM |
Great stuff from Flav.
[QUOTE] Briatore: Bring On the New Ferrari [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Alan Baldwin, ReutersSaturday, 19 March 2005 13:25
Renault boss Flavio Briatore hopes Formula One Champions Ferrari decide to race their new car sooner rather than later.
"I hope Ferrari are introducing their car as early as possible," he told [i]Reuters[/i] after Spaniard Fernando Alonso put Renault on provisional pole at the Malaysian Grand Prix on Saturday.
"In this job, whenever you do it with no rationality it is trouble. If Ferrari was planning to have their car in Spain and is launching it in Bahrain then I think it is good for us because they are rushing it."
Ferrari have fielded a revised version of their dominant 2004 car so far and had planned to introduce the new one for the fifth round in Spain in May. However technical director Ross Brawn said they could decide to take it to the next race in Bahrain if they felt it would make a difference.
Renault won the Australian season-opener on March 6 with Italian Giancarlo Fisichella while Ferrari's seven times Champion Michael Schumacher failed to finish.
Schumacher, winner of 13 of the 18 races last year, faces another hard struggle in Sunday's second round of the Championship after first qualifying left him in 12th place and Brazilian teammate Rubens Barrichello in 14th. Schumacher and Barrichello will try the new car out for the first time next week when a decision will be made.
Briatore said the Renault looked competitive in all conditions and did not appear at all concerned about the appearance of a quicker Ferrari.
"I worry about everybody because you need to respect every competitor in Formula One," he said. "We've done nothing so far. We've won a race, that's what we've done. For the moment we've done absolutely nothing. There are 19 races."
He also shrugged off Brawn's warning that, based on testing figures, the new Ferrari was expected to be a second quicker than the old one.
"Fantastic," said Briatore. "I think before we arrive in Bahrain our car will be one second quicker in the development."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Briatore: Bring On the New Ferrari [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Alan Baldwin, ReutersSaturday, 19 March 2005 13:25
Renault boss Flavio Briatore hopes Formula One Champions Ferrari decide to race their new car sooner rather than later.
"I hope Ferrari are introducing their car as early as possible," he told [i]Reuters[/i] after Spaniard Fernando Alonso put Renault on provisional pole at the Malaysian Grand Prix on Saturday.
"In this job, whenever you do it with no rationality it is trouble. If Ferrari was planning to have their car in Spain and is launching it in Bahrain then I think it is good for us because they are rushing it."
Ferrari have fielded a revised version of their dominant 2004 car so far and had planned to introduce the new one for the fifth round in Spain in May. However technical director Ross Brawn said they could decide to take it to the next race in Bahrain if they felt it would make a difference.
Renault won the Australian season-opener on March 6 with Italian Giancarlo Fisichella while Ferrari's seven times Champion Michael Schumacher failed to finish.
Schumacher, winner of 13 of the 18 races last year, faces another hard struggle in Sunday's second round of the Championship after first qualifying left him in 12th place and Brazilian teammate Rubens Barrichello in 14th. Schumacher and Barrichello will try the new car out for the first time next week when a decision will be made.
Briatore said the Renault looked competitive in all conditions and did not appear at all concerned about the appearance of a quicker Ferrari.
"I worry about everybody because you need to respect every competitor in Formula One," he said. "We've done nothing so far. We've won a race, that's what we've done. For the moment we've done absolutely nothing. There are 19 races."
He also shrugged off Brawn's warning that, based on testing figures, the new Ferrari was expected to be a second quicker than the old one.
"Fantastic," said Briatore. "I think before we arrive in Bahrain our car will be one second quicker in the development."[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 03-19-2005 01:00 PM |
Drivers speak about the "vote".
[QUOTE] GPDA Happy Schumacher Apologised [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Alaistar Himmer, ReutersSaturday, 19 March 2005 11:42
Members of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association expressed their delight after the incident between Michael Schumacher and Nick Heidfeld in Australia was put behind following an apology from the World Champion.
Ferrari's Schumacher was persuaded to apologise to Heidfeld for their collision in the season-opening Australian Grand Prix. Schumacher had refused to take the blame for his knock with Heidfeld's Williams but backed down at a meeting of the GPDA on Friday.
However, drivers quashed reports that they had voted unanimously to ask Schumacher to admit to an error which forced both Germans to retire in Melbourne.
"It was spoken about very openly in the GPDA and it's all been cleared up," Williams's Mark Webber said after Saturday's first qualifying session for Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.
"There was no vote. We're not that intelligent. We just discussed the ethics of what happened. As drivers, we're not massive (happy) about moving about in the braking area. Michael clearly defended once, then maybe tried to defend again and that's what put Nick on the grass."
Former World Champion Jacques Villeneuve insisted that the row had been resolved amicably and with the safety of all drivers in mind.
"They had their discussion and cleared it out," said the Canadian. "We all discussed what happened to make sure we have a clear idea of what's acceptable and what isn't."
Red Bull's David Coulthard praised Heidfeld's coolness after Schumacher's initial protests at the GPDA meeting.
"Nick made his point very well," said the Scot. "Nobody disagreed with his point of view, apart from initially Michael. But with some persuasion, he realised it wouldn't be sensible to disagree."
Coulthard echoed the sentiments of Webber and Villeneuve on the subject of driver safety.
"We have a gentleman's agreement on not moving in the braking zone that's designed to avoid incidents...which can be potential driver killers," he said. "Michael accepts he moved, effectively, twice and will endeavour not to do so again. Time will tell whether it does happen again."
Seven-times World Champion Schumacher is no stranger to controversy and has been accused of deliberately running his rivals off the circuit in the past. He was famously thrown out of the Championship in 1997 after forcing Villeneuve out in the title-deciding race in Jerez.
"I think most people were happy it was bit more Michael's fault than Nick's," said Webber.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] GPDA Happy Schumacher Apologised [img]http://www.autosport-atlas.com/Images/nav/spacer.gif[/img]
By Alaistar Himmer, ReutersSaturday, 19 March 2005 11:42
Members of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association expressed their delight after the incident between Michael Schumacher and Nick Heidfeld in Australia was put behind following an apology from the World Champion.
Ferrari's Schumacher was persuaded to apologise to Heidfeld for their collision in the season-opening Australian Grand Prix. Schumacher had refused to take the blame for his knock with Heidfeld's Williams but backed down at a meeting of the GPDA on Friday.
However, drivers quashed reports that they had voted unanimously to ask Schumacher to admit to an error which forced both Germans to retire in Melbourne.
"It was spoken about very openly in the GPDA and it's all been cleared up," Williams's Mark Webber said after Saturday's first qualifying session for Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.
"There was no vote. We're not that intelligent. We just discussed the ethics of what happened. As drivers, we're not massive (happy) about moving about in the braking area. Michael clearly defended once, then maybe tried to defend again and that's what put Nick on the grass."
Former World Champion Jacques Villeneuve insisted that the row had been resolved amicably and with the safety of all drivers in mind.
"They had their discussion and cleared it out," said the Canadian. "We all discussed what happened to make sure we have a clear idea of what's acceptable and what isn't."
Red Bull's David Coulthard praised Heidfeld's coolness after Schumacher's initial protests at the GPDA meeting.
"Nick made his point very well," said the Scot. "Nobody disagreed with his point of view, apart from initially Michael. But with some persuasion, he realised it wouldn't be sensible to disagree."
Coulthard echoed the sentiments of Webber and Villeneuve on the subject of driver safety.
"We have a gentleman's agreement on not moving in the braking zone that's designed to avoid incidents...which can be potential driver killers," he said. "Michael accepts he moved, effectively, twice and will endeavour not to do so again. Time will tell whether it does happen again."
Seven-times World Champion Schumacher is no stranger to controversy and has been accused of deliberately running his rivals off the circuit in the past. He was famously thrown out of the Championship in 1997 after forcing Villeneuve out in the title-deciding race in Jerez.
"I think most people were happy it was bit more Michael's fault than Nick's," said Webber.[/QUOTE]
| Dr. WOT | 03-19-2005 03:11 PM |
Just wanted to chime in and say I though Q1 was an excellent session, with the first 8 cars covered by less than a second. This is what everyone wanted last year, to see the raw speed of the cars without the fuel strategy in the way. Great session, plenty of fodder for the inter-team rivalry comparisions.
Now will be the real test of the new format, will Q2 shake things up, or will it be status quo?
Also it is great to see a change at the front of the grid. Where did Toyota come from? Very nice job!! I'm very excited to get to see Ferrari have to play catch up, it is much more interesting to win when coming from behind. :devil: (not that they will win this weekend, but over the course of the season)
Now will be the real test of the new format, will Q2 shake things up, or will it be status quo?
Also it is great to see a change at the front of the grid. Where did Toyota come from? Very nice job!! I'm very excited to get to see Ferrari have to play catch up, it is much more interesting to win when coming from behind. :devil: (not that they will win this weekend, but over the course of the season)
| gtguy | 03-19-2005 06:52 PM |
The suddenly-resurgent Toyotas are a nice surprise. And everyone knew that once the Renaults got some power to accompany their handling, they'd be running very strong. I expected the McLarens to be much stronger, though. The car looks great, and fast to be sure, but then the times don't show that speed.
Ferrari is, though the Tifosi in me hoped they'd wouldn't be, about where I expected them to be. You just can't be truly competitive in last year's car. The team was saying that last year's car was, in effect, based on the all-conquering F2002 (IIRC), which makes it at the end of its development lifespan. That, and Bridgestone seems to not have the mojo working. Hot tracks look to favor the Michelin runners again.
It's a long season, and rumor is still that M. Schumacher didn't put a new engine in for Malaysia because the new car is coming on line for Bahrain. I'll believe it when it happens, however.
Kevin
Ferrari is, though the Tifosi in me hoped they'd wouldn't be, about where I expected them to be. You just can't be truly competitive in last year's car. The team was saying that last year's car was, in effect, based on the all-conquering F2002 (IIRC), which makes it at the end of its development lifespan. That, and Bridgestone seems to not have the mojo working. Hot tracks look to favor the Michelin runners again.
It's a long season, and rumor is still that M. Schumacher didn't put a new engine in for Malaysia because the new car is coming on line for Bahrain. I'll believe it when it happens, however.
Kevin
| finnRex | 03-19-2005 10:35 PM |
I'm very impressed with Renault so far this season. Yes, it's early, but they are definitely showing some serious promise. 2 Renault's and a Toyota as a provisional P1-P3? Very surprising.
Now if McLaren can get EVERYTHING together, it'd be interesting. They are on that verge of being great, save 1 or two items. I can't quite put my finger on the items that are missing either. But I think the MB crew will find it quite quickly, and hopefully take advantage of a quick car:)
Mika(go Kimi!)
Now if McLaren can get EVERYTHING together, it'd be interesting. They are on that verge of being great, save 1 or two items. I can't quite put my finger on the items that are missing either. But I think the MB crew will find it quite quickly, and hopefully take advantage of a quick car:)
Mika(go Kimi!)
| rupertberr | 03-19-2005 11:41 PM |
Final qualifying:
Very untidy lap for Michael. He is behind Ruben's now.
Webber up a spot. Top three the same.
With their launch control it should be a Renault 1-2 into corner 1.
Wonder if Trulli will fade late as in Australia.
Should be a good one. Hope I can stay awake.
Very untidy lap for Michael. He is behind Ruben's now.
Webber up a spot. Top three the same.
With their launch control it should be a Renault 1-2 into corner 1.
Wonder if Trulli will fade late as in Australia.
Should be a good one. Hope I can stay awake.
| rbehny | 03-19-2005 11:57 PM |
what an amazing race so far.
| bemani | 03-20-2005 03:51 AM |
Good job for Trulli.
Karma's a bitch for Honda :lol:
Karma's a bitch for Honda :lol:
| rupertberr | 03-20-2005 11:30 AM |
First part of the race was pretty dull but it picked by the second half.
Here is trouble for everyone else:
"I wasn't pushing really hard in any part of the race," added the Spaniard"
Fissi will probably get out voted 19-1 at the next driver's meeting even though it wasn't deliberate.
Trulli looked emotionally spent. He must have been really close to his pilot friend who died. That was agreat race for him and Toyota.
I would like to see what Kimi can do without any problems in a race.
The 2005 Ferrari might not solve all of Michael's problems. I think those tires have something to do with it as well. I guess no one wanted to protest his slicks.
Here is trouble for everyone else:
"I wasn't pushing really hard in any part of the race," added the Spaniard"
Fissi will probably get out voted 19-1 at the next driver's meeting even though it wasn't deliberate.
Trulli looked emotionally spent. He must have been really close to his pilot friend who died. That was agreat race for him and Toyota.
I would like to see what Kimi can do without any problems in a race.
The 2005 Ferrari might not solve all of Michael's problems. I think those tires have something to do with it as well. I guess no one wanted to protest his slicks.
| finnRex | 03-20-2005 11:45 AM |
I would have loved to see what Kimi could have done had that right rear tire not blown. Methinks he could have had a podium. But oh well. I would like to have seen someone protest Michael's slicks as well, so Kimi could at least get a point;) Good race, too bad for Kimi's slight misfortune.
Mika
Mika
| ArtGecko | 03-20-2005 12:05 PM |
Man what a great race! I groaned when Fisi went flying. Hopefully the F2005 isn't quite ready next race, or is only up to the level of the rest of the teams. I'd love to see this all season long.
However, my pick6 stunk. Looks like I'll get 12 points, with 5 of my picks getting big ol' goose eggs (Michael, Fisi, Rubins, Webber, and Kimi)
However, my pick6 stunk. Looks like I'll get 12 points, with 5 of my picks getting big ol' goose eggs (Michael, Fisi, Rubins, Webber, and Kimi)
| gtguy | 03-20-2005 03:39 PM |
I think it wasn't just Schumacher who had slicks on his car, which is why nobody is protesting anybody. There wasn't a car that I saw, except for Alonso's at the front, with four clearly visible grooves, as per the rules.
The lack of testing mileage is clearly hurting Bridgestone. When the other two teams are Minardi and "Jordan," it's difficult to glean useful testing data. The Webber and Fisi incident was interesting. My money says that there won't be a driver's meeting after which someone will be forced to apologise again. I think that was just, as some would say, "playa hatin" in the case of M. Schumacher. :lol:
The first two races haven't really been all that exciting. The new rules appear to have done little more than changing the color of the car at the front, running away, which means that the FIA is happy, but is the show any better? The gaps are about as large, and there's about the same amount of passing, as that is track-dependent.
It was a masterful drive by Alonso, and the Red Bull cars continue to impress. Tough luck for Raikkonen, and for anyone wondering if a tire worn grooveless is better than a new tire, just look at what Raikkonen could do with just one new rear tire.
The teams, including Ferrari, will improve. But we all said that once Renault got some power, watch out. They have power now, and appear to be a very formidable package. But that would have happened, had the FIA not done a danged thing to the sporting regulations, IMHO.
Kevin
The lack of testing mileage is clearly hurting Bridgestone. When the other two teams are Minardi and "Jordan," it's difficult to glean useful testing data. The Webber and Fisi incident was interesting. My money says that there won't be a driver's meeting after which someone will be forced to apologise again. I think that was just, as some would say, "playa hatin" in the case of M. Schumacher. :lol:
The first two races haven't really been all that exciting. The new rules appear to have done little more than changing the color of the car at the front, running away, which means that the FIA is happy, but is the show any better? The gaps are about as large, and there's about the same amount of passing, as that is track-dependent.
It was a masterful drive by Alonso, and the Red Bull cars continue to impress. Tough luck for Raikkonen, and for anyone wondering if a tire worn grooveless is better than a new tire, just look at what Raikkonen could do with just one new rear tire.
The teams, including Ferrari, will improve. But we all said that once Renault got some power, watch out. They have power now, and appear to be a very formidable package. But that would have happened, had the FIA not done a danged thing to the sporting regulations, IMHO.
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-20-2005 04:15 PM |
what we have now is even more of a tyre formula than before. Even with a faster car Ferrari would have been a mile off the pace. The bridgestones were so bad Barichello parked a perfectly usable car, there was little point him continuing on his totally destroyed softer than shuey Bridgestones.
So we now have a race series where the drivers are too scared to push the cars because they are worried the engines will die or they will cook their tyres, so much for the last 15 laps turning into a classic fight.
The post race press conference was interesting, i would expect Alonso to say he was just conserving the car and monitoring the pace needed, but Truli, who should be pushing to try and win was doing exactly the same, from at least 15 laps to go. Thats not motor racing.
So we now have a race series where the drivers are too scared to push the cars because they are worried the engines will die or they will cook their tyres, so much for the last 15 laps turning into a classic fight.
The post race press conference was interesting, i would expect Alonso to say he was just conserving the car and monitoring the pace needed, but Truli, who should be pushing to try and win was doing exactly the same, from at least 15 laps to go. Thats not motor racing.
| rupertberr | 03-20-2005 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]Thats not motor racing.[/QUOTE]
That's endurance racing. Which is what F-1 now is.
That's endurance racing. Which is what F-1 now is.
| johnfelstead | 03-20-2005 04:28 PM |
Even at Le Mans you dont see the 2nd car pacing himself in order to protect his engine and tyres, the Le Mans series cars are run full chat to the flag if the oposition is competitive.
Not being able to change the tyres and having to nurse an engine through 2 races isnt motor racing, even endurance race events allow tyre changes and fresh engines each event.
These rules have not saved anyone any money, they have cost the teams a fortune, and it's not giving us what formula one should be, motor racing to the finish line.
Not being able to change the tyres and having to nurse an engine through 2 races isnt motor racing, even endurance race events allow tyre changes and fresh engines each event.
These rules have not saved anyone any money, they have cost the teams a fortune, and it's not giving us what formula one should be, motor racing to the finish line.
| artkevin | 03-20-2005 04:36 PM |
I don't like that fact that the FIA will most likey take credit for the mix up of the field with the new rules. I think they have added nothing to the sport and just cause a lot of questions. The only thing that the FIA did was make the Bridgestone's unstable at race distance but I think it comes down more to them not having any other major cars to test with.
I can't stand not knowing who will be on pole until 30 mintues before the race. I love F1 but 4 hours of seat time is a lot to ask. Saturday quali is great to see though. Low fuel and high commitment.
I can't stand not knowing who will be on pole until 30 mintues before the race. I love F1 but 4 hours of seat time is a lot to ask. Saturday quali is great to see though. Low fuel and high commitment.
| rupertberr | 03-20-2005 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]Even at Le Mans you dont see the 2nd car pacing himself in order to protect his engine and tyres, the Le Mans series cars are run full chat to the flag if the oposition is competitive.
Not being able to change the tyres and having to nurse an engine through 2 races isnt motor racing, even endurance race events allow tyre changes and fresh engines each event.
These rules have not saved anyone any money, they have cost the teams a fortune, and it's not giving us what formula one should be, motor racing to the finish line.[/QUOTE]
Very true. The tyre ;) and engine issues need to be changed.
Not being able to change the tyres and having to nurse an engine through 2 races isnt motor racing, even endurance race events allow tyre changes and fresh engines each event.
These rules have not saved anyone any money, they have cost the teams a fortune, and it's not giving us what formula one should be, motor racing to the finish line.[/QUOTE]
Very true. The tyre ;) and engine issues need to be changed.
| gtguy | 03-20-2005 05:45 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]what we have now is even more of a tyre formula than before. Even with a faster car Ferrari would have been a mile off the pace. The bridgestones were so bad Barichello parked a perfectly usable car, there was little point him continuing on his totally destroyed softer than shuey Bridgestones.
So we now have a race series where the drivers are too scared to push the cars because they are worried the engines will die or they will cook their tyres, so much for the last 15 laps turning into a classic fight.
The post race press conference was interesting, i would expect Alonso to say he was just conserving the car and monitoring the pace needed, but Truli, who should be pushing to try and win was doing exactly the same, from at least 15 laps to go. Thats not motor racing.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree, John. With this, as well as your later post. It's the same reason I used to root against anyone in CART who would do the running lean instead of racing fuel strategy. Fie on that. Last year, with the sprints from pit stop to pit stop, people knew they could use and abuse their tires, then come in for new ones. Now, who knows what the heck is going on.
If the FIA wanted to make things more interesting, all they had to do was can all that other crap, and go with a spec tyre.
Kevin
So we now have a race series where the drivers are too scared to push the cars because they are worried the engines will die or they will cook their tyres, so much for the last 15 laps turning into a classic fight.
The post race press conference was interesting, i would expect Alonso to say he was just conserving the car and monitoring the pace needed, but Truli, who should be pushing to try and win was doing exactly the same, from at least 15 laps to go. Thats not motor racing.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree, John. With this, as well as your later post. It's the same reason I used to root against anyone in CART who would do the running lean instead of racing fuel strategy. Fie on that. Last year, with the sprints from pit stop to pit stop, people knew they could use and abuse their tires, then come in for new ones. Now, who knows what the heck is going on.
If the FIA wanted to make things more interesting, all they had to do was can all that other crap, and go with a spec tyre.
Kevin
| artkevin | 03-21-2005 12:56 AM |
[QUOTE=gtguy]If the FIA wanted to make things more interesting, all they had to do was can all that other crap, and go with a spec tyre.
Kevin[/QUOTE]
:banana: :disco: I agree :banana: :disco:
Kevin[/QUOTE]
:banana: :disco: I agree :banana: :disco:
| TimStevens | 03-21-2005 07:54 AM |
Maybe it was just me because that's who I was focusing on, but did anyone else notice how badly the Red Bull cars did off of the line? DC and Klein were neck and neck, but the entire rest of the field were bunched up behind them. They're lucky they qualified side-by-side, otherwise I think they'd have been left in the dust before the first corner.
That said, was very pleased to see DC and Klein kick ass again, and was cheering when DC flew by Rubens. Of course, Rubens tires were to blame moreso than anything else, but was still cool to see :)
That said, was very pleased to see DC and Klein kick ass again, and was cheering when DC flew by Rubens. Of course, Rubens tires were to blame moreso than anything else, but was still cool to see :)
| gargleblaster | 03-21-2005 10:59 AM |
I believe I have found the source of Ferrari's woes. Strangely, it's affected most of us Impreza owners as well:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/relayer/subie/41164.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/relayer/subie/41164.jpg[/IMG]
| TimStevens | 03-21-2005 11:00 AM |
:lol:
| rupertberr | 03-21-2005 11:02 AM |
[QUOTE=gargleblaster]I believe I have found the source of Ferrari's woes. Strangely, it's affected most of us Impreza owners as well:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/relayer/subie/41164.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
HaHa! :lol: Great find! Yep, that explains all of Ferrari's woes!
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/relayer/subie/41164.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
HaHa! :lol: Great find! Yep, that explains all of Ferrari's woes!
| Leonardo | 03-21-2005 12:06 PM |
ROFL!!!!!
THIS will be a classic!!!
THIS will be a classic!!!
| artkevin | 03-21-2005 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Maybe it was just me because that's who I was focusing on, but did anyone else notice how badly the Red Bull cars did off of the line? DC and Klein were neck and neck, but the entire rest of the field were bunched up behind them. They're lucky they qualified side-by-side, otherwise I think they'd have been left in the dust before the first corner.
That said, was very pleased to see DC and Klein kick ass again, and was cheering when DC flew by Rubens. Of course, Rubens tires were to blame moreso than anything else, but was still cool to see :)[/QUOTE]
Didn't the Jags have horrible starts too? I heard the Renaults had such good starts last year because they put the weight balance far towards the rear on purpose. Appernately it doesn't hurt the handling all that much. Maybe RBR should take a look at that.
KP
That said, was very pleased to see DC and Klein kick ass again, and was cheering when DC flew by Rubens. Of course, Rubens tires were to blame moreso than anything else, but was still cool to see :)[/QUOTE]
Didn't the Jags have horrible starts too? I heard the Renaults had such good starts last year because they put the weight balance far towards the rear on purpose. Appernately it doesn't hurt the handling all that much. Maybe RBR should take a look at that.
KP
| Dussander | 03-21-2005 12:14 PM |
[quote]Tough luck for Raikkonen, and for anyone wondering if a tire worn grooveless is better than a new tire, just look at what Raikkonen could do with just one new rear tire.[/quote]
Raikkonen's fastest lap was on the in lap before his first pit stop, which was before he blew the tire.
Raikkonen's fastest lap was on the in lap before his first pit stop, which was before he blew the tire.
| BriDrive | 03-21-2005 12:27 PM |
OK, fine, I think we all agree that the FIA and the new rules, etc have done NOTHING to improve the sport, the viewer perspective...anything.
With that said, I still am quite excited by what has happened. Its giving teams like Renault, Toyota, Red-Bull, maybe BAR (at some point), Williams and McLaren some renewed "belief" and confidence that they can actually win races and even a world championship. Read Flavio's latest comments and braggadocio...He's definitely "likin it again".....
This is all good........McLaren and BMW had the fastest laps, Toyota is on a mission now, BAR, well...Anthony Davidson almost got a chance to go a few rounds...
The tire manufacturer's will sort out some of the longevity issues as the season wears on and I think we'll see guys able to push more instead of conserve all day...
Congrats to Jarno !
Now...I want all the drivers to sit down and review the Webber/Fisichella incident...talk it over...shake hands and apologize....and then all stand up and sing a song again....like good little boys......... :rolleyes:
I wonder if Flavio STILL thinks "...Jarno is just not motivated..."
BriDrive
With that said, I still am quite excited by what has happened. Its giving teams like Renault, Toyota, Red-Bull, maybe BAR (at some point), Williams and McLaren some renewed "belief" and confidence that they can actually win races and even a world championship. Read Flavio's latest comments and braggadocio...He's definitely "likin it again".....
This is all good........McLaren and BMW had the fastest laps, Toyota is on a mission now, BAR, well...Anthony Davidson almost got a chance to go a few rounds...
The tire manufacturer's will sort out some of the longevity issues as the season wears on and I think we'll see guys able to push more instead of conserve all day...
Congrats to Jarno !
Now...I want all the drivers to sit down and review the Webber/Fisichella incident...talk it over...shake hands and apologize....and then all stand up and sing a song again....like good little boys......... :rolleyes:
I wonder if Flavio STILL thinks "...Jarno is just not motivated..."
BriDrive
| johnfelstead | 03-21-2005 01:54 PM |
Jarno is an emotionally driven driver, he always does well when he has a reason to other than via his own personal drive and ambition, so the jury is still out on him until he has another good race.
We are going to see a whitewash by Ferrari as soon as Bridgestone sort their tyres out IMHO, this season will be all about the tyre management abilities of the car and tyre manufacturers, so the turn around could be very quick indeed. Remember Ferrari were lapped in Hungary 2003 for the same reason, they soon turned that problem round.
It was fun to see Ross Brawn laughing at how crap they were in Malasia, you could see he was loving the fact they have to work to sort the problems, knowing they will soon be kicking ass again.
Sadly, i dont think you can take anything from who sets fastest lap anymore, no one is pushing that hard to make it relevent as a barometer of car performance.
We are going to see a whitewash by Ferrari as soon as Bridgestone sort their tyres out IMHO, this season will be all about the tyre management abilities of the car and tyre manufacturers, so the turn around could be very quick indeed. Remember Ferrari were lapped in Hungary 2003 for the same reason, they soon turned that problem round.
It was fun to see Ross Brawn laughing at how crap they were in Malasia, you could see he was loving the fact they have to work to sort the problems, knowing they will soon be kicking ass again.
Sadly, i dont think you can take anything from who sets fastest lap anymore, no one is pushing that hard to make it relevent as a barometer of car performance.
| Dr. WOT | 03-21-2005 02:02 PM |
I hope that Ferrari does turn it around. I was as tired of red domination as all of you, expecpt this is not how it should happen. Instead of seeing someone eclipse them and fight on equal terms it is as if we have legislated them to the back of the grid. Kevin said it best with his comment that "only the color has changed." Renault have dominated these first 2 races, and if you think about it they have yet to be pushed, I think they have pleanty of race pace they haven't even shown yet. I guess we can at least hope for a battle btw Alonso and Fisi, but I'd much rather see 2 or 3 or even 4 different teams capable of winning.
john, I wonder if Ferrari will kick any ass? I know one should never bet against them, but the 7 teams to 1 (effectively) Michelin - B'stone advantage could nulify any benefits of the F2005. Looks like Ferrari needed those little helper teams to rack up test milage and accumulate data. ML Jordan and Minardi are lucky they even can make it to the races.
john, I wonder if Ferrari will kick any ass? I know one should never bet against them, but the 7 teams to 1 (effectively) Michelin - B'stone advantage could nulify any benefits of the F2005. Looks like Ferrari needed those little helper teams to rack up test milage and accumulate data. ML Jordan and Minardi are lucky they even can make it to the races.
| BriDrive | 03-21-2005 02:39 PM |
I know your question is for John..and I'm sure he'll chime in.
With that said, IMHO...especially as it relates to Bridgestone, I do not see having only one team as a disadvantage. The tires are engineered almost as an integral part of a specific chassis now as its been in the recent past. Even last year, Bridgestone's ultimate advantage was being able to springboard their development off the Ferrari, which it has shared multiple years/championships of engineering progress and shared data with already.
Anyone else using Bridgestones is frankly just enjoying how well they would work IF they were to approach the dynamics of the particular Ferrari in said year.
Michelin, as of last year, actually suffered somewhat by having to please several different teams and chassis's with more compromise between individual requirements.
I'm sure Luca Badoer and Marc Gene could comment on the testing they have performed already in regard to Bridgestone and much more specifically...just how they are developing for Ferraris ONLY.
BriDrive
With that said, IMHO...especially as it relates to Bridgestone, I do not see having only one team as a disadvantage. The tires are engineered almost as an integral part of a specific chassis now as its been in the recent past. Even last year, Bridgestone's ultimate advantage was being able to springboard their development off the Ferrari, which it has shared multiple years/championships of engineering progress and shared data with already.
Anyone else using Bridgestones is frankly just enjoying how well they would work IF they were to approach the dynamics of the particular Ferrari in said year.
Michelin, as of last year, actually suffered somewhat by having to please several different teams and chassis's with more compromise between individual requirements.
I'm sure Luca Badoer and Marc Gene could comment on the testing they have performed already in regard to Bridgestone and much more specifically...just how they are developing for Ferraris ONLY.
BriDrive
| johnfelstead | 03-21-2005 02:47 PM |
I think Bridgestone will be back on top pretty quickly once we are away from the heat and back into Europe, the testing they have from that environment willl be more than good enough to understand whats required.
RB and MS were running significantly diferent compounds for a reason, Malasia was all about R&D for Bridgestone and had nothing to do with winning a race. We have 19 races and Ferrari/Bridgestone are quite capable of playing the long game on this. Dont forget, RB was 2nd in Melbourne on a cooler track, they are not out of this at all.
RB and MS were running significantly diferent compounds for a reason, Malasia was all about R&D for Bridgestone and had nothing to do with winning a race. We have 19 races and Ferrari/Bridgestone are quite capable of playing the long game on this. Dont forget, RB was 2nd in Melbourne on a cooler track, they are not out of this at all.
| gtguy | 03-21-2005 04:40 PM |
Man, I love these F1 discussions. They're almost always unfailingly civil, often informative, and always fun.
I think that Bridgestone will be coming back, though IIRC, the Speed broadcast mentioned something of a row between Bridgestone and Ferrari, where the former wanted the latter to send the big boys (Schumacher and Barrichello) to Japan, or some such. But they kissed and made up.
The weird thing about the Ferrari's pace is that so much about it is unknown. Barrichello didn't go from 12th to 2nd in Malaysia by accident. I think that the new car will answer a lot of questions. My hope is that it's fast, but as someone else posted, just fast enough to be competitive. I don't like seeing ANY car drive away from the rest of the field. I would love to see Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, Williams and McLaren on equal footing, all duking it out in qualifying and the race. At present, Williams and McLaren are still off the pace, and we won't know what Ferrari can do until the F2005 comes on line.
Kevin
I think that Bridgestone will be coming back, though IIRC, the Speed broadcast mentioned something of a row between Bridgestone and Ferrari, where the former wanted the latter to send the big boys (Schumacher and Barrichello) to Japan, or some such. But they kissed and made up.
The weird thing about the Ferrari's pace is that so much about it is unknown. Barrichello didn't go from 12th to 2nd in Malaysia by accident. I think that the new car will answer a lot of questions. My hope is that it's fast, but as someone else posted, just fast enough to be competitive. I don't like seeing ANY car drive away from the rest of the field. I would love to see Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, Williams and McLaren on equal footing, all duking it out in qualifying and the race. At present, Williams and McLaren are still off the pace, and we won't know what Ferrari can do until the F2005 comes on line.
Kevin
| gargleblaster | 03-21-2005 04:41 PM |
Plus this:
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=80572[/url]
[quote=Da Article]Teammate Rubens Barrichello unfortunately picked up some rubber which caught in his rear wing and disturbed the balance of this car. He retired in the latter stages of the race after this imbalance caused too much wear on his rear tyres.[/quote]
So Rubino's tire problems were due to a combination of factors, and not just due to poor construction or compound choice. Had the race been run under 2004 rules, he would have been able to change tires as they deteriorated from the oversteer condition. So instead of retirement from the race, he might have just made an extra stop for new tires.
These regs have to go. Two top-tier drivers forced to retire b/c they couldn't change tires (see Kimi's blowout on his out lap), and Webber & Fischi collide because the drivers have to make desperate moves to overtake.
Why not give them back as many real slicks as they want, and make them run a huge amount of downforce with 300lbs of ballast to slow the cars? Then we might see an exhibition of driving skill again instead of the Darwinism currently on display.
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=80572[/url]
[quote=Da Article]Teammate Rubens Barrichello unfortunately picked up some rubber which caught in his rear wing and disturbed the balance of this car. He retired in the latter stages of the race after this imbalance caused too much wear on his rear tyres.[/quote]
So Rubino's tire problems were due to a combination of factors, and not just due to poor construction or compound choice. Had the race been run under 2004 rules, he would have been able to change tires as they deteriorated from the oversteer condition. So instead of retirement from the race, he might have just made an extra stop for new tires.
These regs have to go. Two top-tier drivers forced to retire b/c they couldn't change tires (see Kimi's blowout on his out lap), and Webber & Fischi collide because the drivers have to make desperate moves to overtake.
Why not give them back as many real slicks as they want, and make them run a huge amount of downforce with 300lbs of ballast to slow the cars? Then we might see an exhibition of driving skill again instead of the Darwinism currently on display.
| pio!pio! | 03-21-2005 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]Jarno is an emotionally driven driver, he always does well when he has a reason to other than via his own personal drive and ambition, so the jury is still out on him until he has another good race.
[/QUOTE]
So should Toyota quietly cause bodily harm to his friends every GP weekend? :lol:
[/QUOTE]
So should Toyota quietly cause bodily harm to his friends every GP weekend? :lol:
| BriDrive | 03-21-2005 05:11 PM |
That's just wrong Pio :lol:
But...I can't recall the exact events.....something had him quite distraught before and during Monte Carlo last year as well..........
BriDrive
But...I can't recall the exact events.....something had him quite distraught before and during Monte Carlo last year as well..........
BriDrive
| MRF582 | 03-21-2005 05:26 PM |
how can a set of rules applicable to every single team competing in F1 be detrimental to only one manufacturer?
if every team has to the worry about the same exact set of rules then no one should be complaining that those rules are made to slow a particular car down.
if every team has to the worry about the same exact set of rules then no one should be complaining that those rules are made to slow a particular car down.
| johnfelstead | 03-21-2005 07:16 PM |
[QUOTE=gtguy]Barrichello didn't go from 12th to 2nd in Malaysia by accident. [/QUOTE]
You are right, he didnt. ;)
I dont believe that rubber in the rear wing excuse one bit. :lol:
You are right, he didnt. ;)
I dont believe that rubber in the rear wing excuse one bit. :lol:
| driggity | 03-22-2005 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Didn't the Jags have horrible starts too? I heard the Renaults had such good starts last year because they put the weight balance far towards the rear on purpose. Appernately it doesn't hurt the handling all that much. Maybe RBR should take a look at that.[/QUOTE]
There was an interview in one of the British mags last year (Race Car Engineering maybe) with Ross Brawn and he commented a bit on this saying that he felt that the sacrifices made to have that good of a start was detrimental to the balance of the car throughout the rest of race. It sure didn't seem like the Renaults handled that poorly to me but I trust his opinion a bit more than mine. Also I don't remember the Red Bull cars looking so bad off the line in Australia but my memory could be completely wrong.
[QUOTE=gtguy]I think that Bridgestone will be coming back, though IIRC, the Speed broadcast mentioned something of a row between Bridgestone and Ferrari, where the former wanted the latter to send the big boys (Schumacher and Barrichello) to Japan, or some such. But they kissed and made up.[/QUOTE]
Bridgestone actually wanted one of those two to fly to Spain for the tire testing. Apparently Ferrari felt that it would be better to have their race drivers fresh by not having them fly around the world and only had their test drivers in Spain for further tire testing.
There was an interview in one of the British mags last year (Race Car Engineering maybe) with Ross Brawn and he commented a bit on this saying that he felt that the sacrifices made to have that good of a start was detrimental to the balance of the car throughout the rest of race. It sure didn't seem like the Renaults handled that poorly to me but I trust his opinion a bit more than mine. Also I don't remember the Red Bull cars looking so bad off the line in Australia but my memory could be completely wrong.
[QUOTE=gtguy]I think that Bridgestone will be coming back, though IIRC, the Speed broadcast mentioned something of a row between Bridgestone and Ferrari, where the former wanted the latter to send the big boys (Schumacher and Barrichello) to Japan, or some such. But they kissed and made up.[/QUOTE]
Bridgestone actually wanted one of those two to fly to Spain for the tire testing. Apparently Ferrari felt that it would be better to have their race drivers fresh by not having them fly around the world and only had their test drivers in Spain for further tire testing.
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