| StuBeck | 05-23-2004 10:45 AM |
Tip, don't go to rec.autos.sport.f1 ...all the Schmui fan boys are clamering for JPM's head. Other then that it was a great race. REALLY happy that Fisichella is okay, that looked bad for a few seconds. Happy that Trulli won as well.
| artkevin | 05-23-2004 10:49 AM |
Anybody herd what in the world happened to Schumi's left front? Changing the break bias, suspension brake, break chek on JPM? Great race, good to see Trulli on the top step!
| StuBeck | 05-23-2004 11:18 AM |
Watching the race on Speed, it sounded like he was playing with the bias and just threw it a bit too much in front. Jenson also said in the post race that it is very greasy in that section of track under caution. Makes sense that JPM wouldn't try and hit the brakes.
| OnTheGas | 05-23-2004 11:32 AM |
Ralfie's Problems Continue
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Fernando did not seem very pleased with Ralfie's driving in the tunnel...[QUOTE][i]Fernando Alonso[/i]
[b]Ralf was in front and he slowed, but then he went back on the throttle again. It was an unusual move.
Most of the accidents, Ralf is involved in. It was a very high-speed accident but Ralf likes that. I don't want to waste my time (talking to him), I've got more important things to do.[/b][/QUOTE] Is Ralfie still on some sort of probation for his previous screw-ups?
[b]Ralf was in front and he slowed, but then he went back on the throttle again. It was an unusual move.
Most of the accidents, Ralf is involved in. It was a very high-speed accident but Ralf likes that. I don't want to waste my time (talking to him), I've got more important things to do.[/b][/QUOTE] Is Ralfie still on some sort of probation for his previous screw-ups?
| HoRo1 | 05-23-2004 11:45 AM |
I think that a tactical mistake by Ferrari cost MS the race. Unless he had enough fuel to finish the race, he should have been brought in for tires and gas when Alonso blew it. Hindsight is always 20/20, but he would have avoided that clown Montoya and frankly with a car quicker than both Button and Trulli he would certainly have finished ahead of Button and I think that Trulli would have caved with MS breathing down his neck for the last 5 laps.
| StuBeck | 05-23-2004 11:46 AM |
Ralf has one repremand already, 3 means you get banned for a race. It will be interesting to see what happens. Looking at the cars after Alonso's accident, they all took the same lines as Alonso did on the entrance, so Ralf acting like a twit could have caused that.
| gtguy | 05-23-2004 02:17 PM |
The FIA is not going to penalize Montoya, nor should they. Schumacher had the brake bias wrong, clearly, but you could also see that once he realized it by seeing tire smoke, he instantly got off the brake.
No, I don't think Montoya was paying attention as closely as he should have been which is why he was caught by surprise, but Schumacher should have known that, and planned accordingly. The way F1 cars decelerate when you lift, there's plenty of time to give gap between you and the safety car.
Not that he would have finished better than third anyhow. Trulli drove a fantastic race, with the additional human element of the weekend being dedicated to his friend/engineer, who has been diagnosed with inoperable cancer. It was another good 'un for Button, also.
Ferrari screwed up by not bringing Schumacher in for that safety car period, but I think they were counting on BAR and Renault making one more stop. Surprise! Ross Brawn got outfoxed. Good on him.
It surprises me that Alonso is blaming R. Schumacher for their incident. He has to know that with all the marbles there, and with a perfect spot coming up outside the tunnel for Schumacher to move over, passing at that point was, shall we say, ill-advised.
What was up with Barrichello? He didn't have any speed all weekend. I didn't see that anything was particularly wrong with his car. I think he was just slow.
One thing was for sure, this was an interesting race to watch. Why does Monaco have so much drama, even though you know that nobody can pass? :lol:
I can't believe that Brawn and Ferrari are howling. Even had Montoya not hit Schumacher, it wouldn't have affected much, except to place him third instead of Barrichello. Sure, he doesn't get any points, but it was kind of his own fault, IMHO.
Kevin
No, I don't think Montoya was paying attention as closely as he should have been which is why he was caught by surprise, but Schumacher should have known that, and planned accordingly. The way F1 cars decelerate when you lift, there's plenty of time to give gap between you and the safety car.
Not that he would have finished better than third anyhow. Trulli drove a fantastic race, with the additional human element of the weekend being dedicated to his friend/engineer, who has been diagnosed with inoperable cancer. It was another good 'un for Button, also.
Ferrari screwed up by not bringing Schumacher in for that safety car period, but I think they were counting on BAR and Renault making one more stop. Surprise! Ross Brawn got outfoxed. Good on him.
It surprises me that Alonso is blaming R. Schumacher for their incident. He has to know that with all the marbles there, and with a perfect spot coming up outside the tunnel for Schumacher to move over, passing at that point was, shall we say, ill-advised.
What was up with Barrichello? He didn't have any speed all weekend. I didn't see that anything was particularly wrong with his car. I think he was just slow.
One thing was for sure, this was an interesting race to watch. Why does Monaco have so much drama, even though you know that nobody can pass? :lol:
I can't believe that Brawn and Ferrari are howling. Even had Montoya not hit Schumacher, it wouldn't have affected much, except to place him third instead of Barrichello. Sure, he doesn't get any points, but it was kind of his own fault, IMHO.
Kevin
| bemani | 05-23-2004 04:34 PM |
I KNEW something was going to happen when JPM got behind MS for the safety car. Just surprised that MS became the big loser of this round ;)
| Clement | 05-23-2004 04:40 PM |
Anyone else saw this? Someone is smiling at home with an extra 250,000 USD in the pocket. hahaha :lol:
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url]
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url]
| nhluhr | 05-23-2004 06:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Clement[/i]
[B] Anyone else saw this? Someone is smiling at home with an extra 250,000 USD in the pocket. hahaha :lol:
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
that was very dumb to carry a big ass diamond on the car's nose.
[B] Anyone else saw this? Someone is smiling at home with an extra 250,000 USD in the pocket. hahaha :lol:
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
that was very dumb to carry a big ass diamond on the car's nose.
| rupertberr | 05-23-2004 06:05 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
Ferrari screwed up by not bringing Schumacher in for that safety car period, but I think they were counting on BAR and Renault making one more stop. Surprise! Ross Brawn got outfoxed. Good on him.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I thought the same at first. Think about it though, Schumacher's strategy was to run 5-6 more laps then Trulli and hopefully gain enough to pass him in the pits at his last stop. Alonso's crash screwed up that plan. The safe strategy is for everybody to pit when the pace car comes out. That would have guaranteed Michael third place since he can't have his customary hot in and out lap and you can't pass on the track at Monaco. The aggressive strategy is to take the lead and hope for another yellow to pit under or for errors in your competition. A clear track in front would have given Schumacher the best opportunity to click of some beyond human laps. Either way Trulli was still sitting in the cat bird seat but Brawn's strategy was Michael's only hope to win in this situation. Brawn is STILL the master.
Rueben said that he had some kind of suspension failure and drove near the pit wall during the last full course yellow so the mechanics could take a look at it.
Very happy for Trulli who I liked early in his career and then started to wonder about as time progressed. It is only a matter of time for Button.;)
[B]
Ferrari screwed up by not bringing Schumacher in for that safety car period, but I think they were counting on BAR and Renault making one more stop. Surprise! Ross Brawn got outfoxed. Good on him.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I thought the same at first. Think about it though, Schumacher's strategy was to run 5-6 more laps then Trulli and hopefully gain enough to pass him in the pits at his last stop. Alonso's crash screwed up that plan. The safe strategy is for everybody to pit when the pace car comes out. That would have guaranteed Michael third place since he can't have his customary hot in and out lap and you can't pass on the track at Monaco. The aggressive strategy is to take the lead and hope for another yellow to pit under or for errors in your competition. A clear track in front would have given Schumacher the best opportunity to click of some beyond human laps. Either way Trulli was still sitting in the cat bird seat but Brawn's strategy was Michael's only hope to win in this situation. Brawn is STILL the master.
Rueben said that he had some kind of suspension failure and drove near the pit wall during the last full course yellow so the mechanics could take a look at it.
Very happy for Trulli who I liked early in his career and then started to wonder about as time progressed. It is only a matter of time for Button.;)
| heffergm | 05-23-2004 06:15 PM |
[QUOTE]One thing was for sure, this was an interesting race to watch. Why does Monaco have so much drama, even though you know that nobody can pass?[/QUOTE]
Because it has history, and everyone wants to win there... not that they don't want to win anywhere else, but it's a special track. And that's something I don't see a place like Bahrain having anytime soon, so the more places like Monaco and Imola that stay on the schedule, the better. That history is part of the appeal (to me anyway).
Because it has history, and everyone wants to win there... not that they don't want to win anywhere else, but it's a special track. And that's something I don't see a place like Bahrain having anytime soon, so the more places like Monaco and Imola that stay on the schedule, the better. That history is part of the appeal (to me anyway).
| bemani | 05-23-2004 09:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Clement [/i]
[B]Anyone else saw this? Someone is smiling at home with an extra 250,000 USD in the pocket. hahaha :lol:
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking about that :lol: How are they going to recover it if they damage it? Are they going to have diamonds on the spare front nose too? :lol:
[B]Anyone else saw this? Someone is smiling at home with an extra 250,000 USD in the pocket. hahaha :lol:
[url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040523192825.shtml[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking about that :lol: How are they going to recover it if they damage it? Are they going to have diamonds on the spare front nose too? :lol:
| meebs | 05-23-2004 10:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]I was thinking about that :lol: How are they going to recover it if they damage it? Are they going to have diamonds on the spare front nose too? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
heh... "lost".
[B]I was thinking about that :lol: How are they going to recover it if they damage it? Are they going to have diamonds on the spare front nose too? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
heh... "lost".
| thesmokingman | 05-23-2004 10:53 PM |
WTH just happened thru the tunnel? MS is gonna have a field day with the stewards and JPM is an idiot?
| Snowphun | 05-23-2004 10:58 PM |
That's one way to look at it. Read all the comments above for others. IMO MS pulled a boneheaded move.
| thesmokingman | 05-23-2004 11:03 PM |
I wonder if JPM had a smirk on his face when MS hit the wall...:huh:
| NC2.5RS | 05-23-2004 11:25 PM |
Damn. Great race by Trulli and Button. Too bad Schumy crashed out in that bizarre fashion. He had a pretty good chance to take the lead I think. Oh well, he'll come back strong at the Nurburgring in a weeks' time.
| Kitsune | 05-23-2004 11:48 PM |
Apprantly, MS thought he owned the track and was proven wrong.
:p
:p
| Snowphun | 05-23-2004 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thesmokingman[/i]
[B] I wonder if JPM had a smirk on his face when MS hit the wall...:huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
Wouldn't you? ;)
[B] I wonder if JPM had a smirk on his face when MS hit the wall...:huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
Wouldn't you? ;)
| mykrrrr | 05-24-2004 12:08 AM |
Good stuff especially @ the end.
Jarno seemed a bit full of himself @ the press conference but he's a cool guy F1 dude so I sorta expected that. :rolleyes: :p
I'm still wondering what happened to MS and what's his name flipping over after Sato's motor went Spyhunter on everyone was crazy... :eek:
-mykr.
Jarno seemed a bit full of himself @ the press conference but he's a cool guy F1 dude so I sorta expected that. :rolleyes: :p
I'm still wondering what happened to MS and what's his name flipping over after Sato's motor went Spyhunter on everyone was crazy... :eek:
-mykr.
| Achilles38WRX | 05-24-2004 12:49 AM |
it looked to me like MS was trying to avoid getting in the loose 'marbles', and took evasive action. why jpm decided to try to pass when the safety car was out, i dunno.
a good race though all the way to the end, amazing how entertaining an F1 race can be, even without MS! :lol: Just glad to see someone else win for a change. :)
a good race though all the way to the end, amazing how entertaining an F1 race can be, even without MS! :lol: Just glad to see someone else win for a change. :)
| driggity | 05-24-2004 12:58 AM |
I don't think that Montoya was really trying to pass, he was probably just trying to save his car. Which he did.
| artkevin | 05-24-2004 01:00 AM |
I dont believe that JPM's car wasn't damaged. It got squeezed pretty hard by the Ferrari to continue at race pace.
| shoracer | 05-24-2004 01:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nhluhr [/i]
[B]If montoya doesn't crash him out, Michael Shumacher will win. [/B][/QUOTE]
your good.
[B]If montoya doesn't crash him out, Michael Shumacher will win. [/B][/QUOTE]
your good.
| skuttledude | 05-24-2004 09:29 AM |
I'm a Schuy fan but it sure was nice to see him make a mistake. (thankfully not hurt)
Congrats to Trulli and Button for making a F1 race what it should be....exciting to watch to the end.
What a weird race...Schuy, Montoya, RS, Alonzo...I'm trying find quotes from MS, JPM, FA, RS on theri take of the whole thing....
Followup....
Post race answers:
MS: �Firstly I must congratulate Jarno. He did a fantastic job and I am very happy for him as I work closely with him in the GPDA and we meet on the football pitch. Today, I don�t think I could have really challenged him, but nevertheless when the accident with Montoya happened I was leading the race. So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the race after being hit by a back marker. I am sure there was no deliberate intention on his part and I accept the Steward�s decision. I was accelerating and braking just as we do when we go to the grid and in the standard way when running behind the Safety Car. The tunnel was not even the first place I had done it as I had used the same procedure earlier in the lap. A bit of smoke off the wheels is quite normal in these situations as you try to get heat into the front tyres and the brakes. After not the most successful weekend for us, I am really looking forward to next weekend when we will already be at the Nurburgring for one of my home races.�
JPM (Chili Dog) �It was a good race for me, since when you start ninth in Monaco you cannot hope to finish fourth. The car felt ok but like yesterday, we were just not quick enough. With regards to the contact with Michael in the tunnel, Michael braked very hard as he was warming up his brakes and I moved to the right side of the track to avoid him but the gap narrowed and we touched.�
F. Alonzo: The reason for the crash is pretty simple: I was lapping Ralf, and he ignored the blue flags for the first seven corners. He slowed down to let me by at the entrance to the tunnel, then got back on the throttle and pushed me wide. There's no grip on the outside there, and I lost control. It's extremely frustrating, and cost us a one-two finish."
Davis
Congrats to Trulli and Button for making a F1 race what it should be....exciting to watch to the end.
What a weird race...Schuy, Montoya, RS, Alonzo...I'm trying find quotes from MS, JPM, FA, RS on theri take of the whole thing....
Followup....
Post race answers:
MS: �Firstly I must congratulate Jarno. He did a fantastic job and I am very happy for him as I work closely with him in the GPDA and we meet on the football pitch. Today, I don�t think I could have really challenged him, but nevertheless when the accident with Montoya happened I was leading the race. So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the race after being hit by a back marker. I am sure there was no deliberate intention on his part and I accept the Steward�s decision. I was accelerating and braking just as we do when we go to the grid and in the standard way when running behind the Safety Car. The tunnel was not even the first place I had done it as I had used the same procedure earlier in the lap. A bit of smoke off the wheels is quite normal in these situations as you try to get heat into the front tyres and the brakes. After not the most successful weekend for us, I am really looking forward to next weekend when we will already be at the Nurburgring for one of my home races.�
JPM (Chili Dog) �It was a good race for me, since when you start ninth in Monaco you cannot hope to finish fourth. The car felt ok but like yesterday, we were just not quick enough. With regards to the contact with Michael in the tunnel, Michael braked very hard as he was warming up his brakes and I moved to the right side of the track to avoid him but the gap narrowed and we touched.�
F. Alonzo: The reason for the crash is pretty simple: I was lapping Ralf, and he ignored the blue flags for the first seven corners. He slowed down to let me by at the entrance to the tunnel, then got back on the throttle and pushed me wide. There's no grip on the outside there, and I lost control. It's extremely frustrating, and cost us a one-two finish."
Davis
| wrrrx | 05-24-2004 10:12 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Davis K Powers [/i]
[B]F. Alonzo: The reason for the crash is pretty simple: I was lapping Ralf, and he ignored the blue flags for the first seven corners. He slowed down to let me by at the entrance to the tunnel, then got back on the throttle and pushed me wide. There's no grip on the outside there, and I lost control. It's extremely frustrating, and cost us a one-two finish." [/B][/QUOTE]
Ah, thanks Davis!
I was wondering why Fernando flipped Ralfie off... it looked like his (FA's) fault- but that makes sense and explains not only the frustration, but also the somewhat questionable pass.
I loved how the Speed commentators mentioned him giving Ralf the "international symbol for being number one" (or something along those lines)- I TiVo'd that back several times, laughing my arse off!
Russ R
[B]F. Alonzo: The reason for the crash is pretty simple: I was lapping Ralf, and he ignored the blue flags for the first seven corners. He slowed down to let me by at the entrance to the tunnel, then got back on the throttle and pushed me wide. There's no grip on the outside there, and I lost control. It's extremely frustrating, and cost us a one-two finish." [/B][/QUOTE]
Ah, thanks Davis!
I was wondering why Fernando flipped Ralfie off... it looked like his (FA's) fault- but that makes sense and explains not only the frustration, but also the somewhat questionable pass.
I loved how the Speed commentators mentioned him giving Ralf the "international symbol for being number one" (or something along those lines)- I TiVo'd that back several times, laughing my arse off!
Russ R
| wrrrx | 05-24-2004 10:17 AM |
Aaarrgh!!
I was SO mad about MS's accident in the tunnel... no, not because he went out- :lol: :lol: but because in the tunnel you don't get 3 different camera angles and you certainly don't get that lovely aerial shot!
Very selfish...
At least 'Nando had the consideration to spin at the end of tunnel, giving us a coupla different views of it... ;)
Russ R
I was SO mad about MS's accident in the tunnel... no, not because he went out- :lol: :lol: but because in the tunnel you don't get 3 different camera angles and you certainly don't get that lovely aerial shot!
Very selfish...
At least 'Nando had the consideration to spin at the end of tunnel, giving us a coupla different views of it... ;)
Russ R
| donjuan | 05-24-2004 10:27 AM |
Good race, and the typical Monaco mix-up on the results. Montoya and Schumi getting together is par for them. I think they'll do it until one of them is out of the game.
Was glad to see Fisi was not hurt, especially since that might have been avoided. A shame because Sauber had a good race and would have had both cars in the points methinks.
Also, did Sato jump the start?? Pretty sure he had to have jumped the lights, but that's supposedly policed electronically. Maybe something went wrong. He was moving WAY before everyone else.
Was glad to see Fisi was not hurt, especially since that might have been avoided. A shame because Sauber had a good race and would have had both cars in the points methinks.
Also, did Sato jump the start?? Pretty sure he had to have jumped the lights, but that's supposedly policed electronically. Maybe something went wrong. He was moving WAY before everyone else.
| Dr. WOT | 05-24-2004 10:37 AM |
Ahhh, sweet controversy!! What would F1 be without it? :)
It's hard to call MS's decision to heat up his brakes/tires a "mistake" as he'd been doing it for the entire lap and it is a very normal (necessary even) procedure. It may have been slightly ill advised to choose to do it in the tunnel, where there is some lighting issue and also apparently low grip (JB's comment).
However JPM, and JPM alone, was obviously caught by surprise, and therefore one must conclude that he couldn't have been paying full attention. I believe the phase is, "blind or stupid."
As for the Ralf/Alonso incident, I suspect Ralf is to blame. It was his choice to let FA through in the tunnel, because if he had stayed on the power, the Renault would have never been along side. Overtaking backmarkers in the tunnel is normal, but if RS did get back on the power, that would have prevented FA from getting back on line before the curve of the tunnel apexed, which apparently forced FA into the marbles.
Strange things happen at Monaco, this race was no exception.
Big congrats goes to Jarno Trulli!! Where is all this speed coming from? He looked lost compared to Alonso last year, but has decidedly trumped his team mate two races in a row now. Nice emotional story about the terminally ill race engineer, I always like stories like that in sports.
Good job by Button to at least make it interesting till the end, although the lead was obviously never under threat. JB's expressions were very telling, he is obviously still thrilled to get any type of podium, but is clearly desperate to finally win his first GP. I think it will happen, but in its own time. Just ask Jarno, who's been waiting a lot longer.
The best part is we have another race this week
:banana:
It's hard to call MS's decision to heat up his brakes/tires a "mistake" as he'd been doing it for the entire lap and it is a very normal (necessary even) procedure. It may have been slightly ill advised to choose to do it in the tunnel, where there is some lighting issue and also apparently low grip (JB's comment).
However JPM, and JPM alone, was obviously caught by surprise, and therefore one must conclude that he couldn't have been paying full attention. I believe the phase is, "blind or stupid."
As for the Ralf/Alonso incident, I suspect Ralf is to blame. It was his choice to let FA through in the tunnel, because if he had stayed on the power, the Renault would have never been along side. Overtaking backmarkers in the tunnel is normal, but if RS did get back on the power, that would have prevented FA from getting back on line before the curve of the tunnel apexed, which apparently forced FA into the marbles.
Strange things happen at Monaco, this race was no exception.
Big congrats goes to Jarno Trulli!! Where is all this speed coming from? He looked lost compared to Alonso last year, but has decidedly trumped his team mate two races in a row now. Nice emotional story about the terminally ill race engineer, I always like stories like that in sports.
Good job by Button to at least make it interesting till the end, although the lead was obviously never under threat. JB's expressions were very telling, he is obviously still thrilled to get any type of podium, but is clearly desperate to finally win his first GP. I think it will happen, but in its own time. Just ask Jarno, who's been waiting a lot longer.
The best part is we have another race this week
:banana:
| donjuan | 05-24-2004 10:51 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT[/i]
[B]It's hard to call MS's decision to heat up his brakes/tires a "mistake" as he'd been doing it for the entire lap and it is a very normal (necessary even) procedure. It may have been slightly ill advised to choose to do it in the tunnel, where there is some lighting issue and also apparently low grip (JB's comment).
However JPM, and JPM alone, was obviously caught by surprise, and therefore one must conclude that he couldn't have been paying full attention. I believe the phase is, "blind or stupid."[/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. Who was it that said "If you punt the bloke in front of you...it's your fault!" ??
Anyway, an incident like this simply SHOULD NOT happen under safety car conditions.
[B]It's hard to call MS's decision to heat up his brakes/tires a "mistake" as he'd been doing it for the entire lap and it is a very normal (necessary even) procedure. It may have been slightly ill advised to choose to do it in the tunnel, where there is some lighting issue and also apparently low grip (JB's comment).
However JPM, and JPM alone, was obviously caught by surprise, and therefore one must conclude that he couldn't have been paying full attention. I believe the phase is, "blind or stupid."[/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. Who was it that said "If you punt the bloke in front of you...it's your fault!" ??
Anyway, an incident like this simply SHOULD NOT happen under safety car conditions.
| bemani | 05-24-2004 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrrrx [/i]
[B]Aaarrgh!!
I was SO mad about MS's accident in the tunnel... no, not because he went out- :lol: :lol: but because in the tunnel you don't get 3 different camera angles and you certainly don't get that lovely aerial shot!
Very selfish...
At least 'Nando had the consideration to spin at the end of tunnel, giving us a coupla different views of it... ;)
Russ R [/B][/QUOTE]
And are we still so low-tech that we can't get on car cameras in the tunnel??? ;)
[B]Aaarrgh!!
I was SO mad about MS's accident in the tunnel... no, not because he went out- :lol: :lol: but because in the tunnel you don't get 3 different camera angles and you certainly don't get that lovely aerial shot!
Very selfish...
At least 'Nando had the consideration to spin at the end of tunnel, giving us a coupla different views of it... ;)
Russ R [/B][/QUOTE]
And are we still so low-tech that we can't get on car cameras in the tunnel??? ;)
| TimStevens | 05-24-2004 12:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani[/i]
[B] And are we still so low-tech that we can't get on car cameras in the tunnel??? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing this weekend. They're using the same basic on-car camera technology that they have been for 15+ years now!
Why not change it to use wireless cameras that transmit to receivers set up at locations all around the track rather than relying on line of sight with a helicopter that can't fly if it starts to rain.
The current on-car camera technology sucks. I was trying to walk through frame by frame the first corner after the start from an in-car shot, and it seemed like every other frame was static :mad:
[B] And are we still so low-tech that we can't get on car cameras in the tunnel??? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing this weekend. They're using the same basic on-car camera technology that they have been for 15+ years now!
Why not change it to use wireless cameras that transmit to receivers set up at locations all around the track rather than relying on line of sight with a helicopter that can't fly if it starts to rain.
The current on-car camera technology sucks. I was trying to walk through frame by frame the first corner after the start from an in-car shot, and it seemed like every other frame was static :mad:
| gtguy | 05-24-2004 12:32 PM |
Man, everybody is slagging everybody. DC is slagging Sato, Fisichella is slagging Sato, Brawn is slagging Montoya, Montoya is saying "screw you," Button is slagging DaMatta for not pulling over and costing him the win, the Little Schu/Alonso tete a tete is continuing, and Jaguar still haven't found that diamond. :lol:
Ah, Monaco.... :lol:
JPM definitely wasn't paying attention, but Big Schu definitely could have found a better spot to continue getting heat in the tires. I think he was so angry because a) he knows he had some culpability, however slight; b) he was punted off by Montoya; c) the six-race thing ended; d) Ferrari screwed up by not bringing him in along with the other front-runners. Nice to see him show some emotion, though, even if we didn't see it on the telly.
Kevin
Ah, Monaco.... :lol:
JPM definitely wasn't paying attention, but Big Schu definitely could have found a better spot to continue getting heat in the tires. I think he was so angry because a) he knows he had some culpability, however slight; b) he was punted off by Montoya; c) the six-race thing ended; d) Ferrari screwed up by not bringing him in along with the other front-runners. Nice to see him show some emotion, though, even if we didn't see it on the telly.
Kevin
| BriDrive | 05-24-2004 12:45 PM |
I still have to say that one shot we saw, I believe in qualifying, of someones front end wing plate from the side was very cool...........
I love to watch these races when there is drama and uncertainty...This is how F1 should be at every circuit...Hmmmm, how do to that..................
GTGUY.......I agree with much of what you said about MS....I have and am a Scuderia Ferrari fan even before MS...I jump on their wagon back when Michele Alboreto (still grieving his loss) tried so hard in the Ferraris of yore. I simply was trying to make the point that DC "don't git enuff credit" and I just feel awful for his luck....I've even mentioned in prior posts MS is good for 1~1.5 seconds in ANY car............
In other points: JPM, it was your fault for not paying attention...You have the responsibility to respond to ANYTHING the guy in front of you is doing while behind the safety car..."...Don't stand...don't stand so...don't stand so close to me..."
My Sato and Fisichella predictions failed miserably....BUT....man...it could'a played out that way............
McLaren....you guys are starting to make me cry....that's just AWFUL.....and then at the end of the show they cut to European GP 2003 so we can see Kimi's engine let go while leading there...
Blow that dark cloud off..........Dang.........
Alonso......
:lol: :lol: rookie.............save face with the finger...but that was just a stupid thing to do...I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Renault pit when that transpired.................
BriDrive
I love to watch these races when there is drama and uncertainty...This is how F1 should be at every circuit...Hmmmm, how do to that..................
GTGUY.......I agree with much of what you said about MS....I have and am a Scuderia Ferrari fan even before MS...I jump on their wagon back when Michele Alboreto (still grieving his loss) tried so hard in the Ferraris of yore. I simply was trying to make the point that DC "don't git enuff credit" and I just feel awful for his luck....I've even mentioned in prior posts MS is good for 1~1.5 seconds in ANY car............
In other points: JPM, it was your fault for not paying attention...You have the responsibility to respond to ANYTHING the guy in front of you is doing while behind the safety car..."...Don't stand...don't stand so...don't stand so close to me..."
My Sato and Fisichella predictions failed miserably....BUT....man...it could'a played out that way............
McLaren....you guys are starting to make me cry....that's just AWFUL.....and then at the end of the show they cut to European GP 2003 so we can see Kimi's engine let go while leading there...
Blow that dark cloud off..........Dang.........
Alonso......
:lol: :lol: rookie.............save face with the finger...but that was just a stupid thing to do...I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Renault pit when that transpired.................
BriDrive
| TimStevens | 05-24-2004 12:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BriDrive[/i]
[B]In other points: JPM, it was your fault for not paying attention...You have the responsibility to respond to ANYTHING the guy in front of you is doing while behind the safety car..."...Don't stand...don't stand so...don't stand so close to me..."[/B][/QUOTE]
he did respond, he headed over to the right to avoid MS. MS turned into him. JPM was up against the wall, I don't see what else he could have done, other than stop, but he may have thought MS had a problem and was just trying to go around him :confused:
[B]In other points: JPM, it was your fault for not paying attention...You have the responsibility to respond to ANYTHING the guy in front of you is doing while behind the safety car..."...Don't stand...don't stand so...don't stand so close to me..."[/B][/QUOTE]
he did respond, he headed over to the right to avoid MS. MS turned into him. JPM was up against the wall, I don't see what else he could have done, other than stop, but he may have thought MS had a problem and was just trying to go around him :confused:
| BriDrive | 05-24-2004 01:18 PM |
Yeah.....I saw it.....But watch all the replays again...you will see that in the first angle where MS comes thru behind the safety car, JPM is all over MS and does respond to the right until the very last moment, after MS's brakes had already stopped yielding smoke....I don't want to split hairs over this one, but maybe JPM was fiddling with a steering wheel button or otherwise diverted for a slpit second....I think the whole incident was just dumb luck / chance etc..................But honestly, what was JPM thinking...he's gonna just blaze past MS when the safety car pitted and get that crucial lap back...and then make up another 1:14 to 1:16 again to really put it to the leaders? Sarcasm intended.
| TimStevens | 05-24-2004 01:43 PM |
He was just trying to avoid MS's car, who suddenly slowed dramatically. If the car ahead of you stomped on the brakes suddenly and you didn't think you could avoid them you'd probably swerve to the right, too.
Yes, he'd have been given a penalty if he'd gotten past MS, but Ms turned right into him.
Yes, he'd have been given a penalty if he'd gotten past MS, but Ms turned right into him.
| BriDrive | 05-24-2004 02:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens[/i]
[B] ... If the car ahead of you stomped on the brakes suddenly and you didn't think you could avoid them you'd probably swerve to the right, too.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh....err....no.....I would have been paying attention and then I would be ready, on my brakes also.....and I wouldn't be stuck all over him in the first place as he was likely to do that a couple of more times just as he had before the tunnel, before going green..........
OK, enough of this one....................
[B] ... If the car ahead of you stomped on the brakes suddenly and you didn't think you could avoid them you'd probably swerve to the right, too.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh....err....no.....I would have been paying attention and then I would be ready, on my brakes also.....and I wouldn't be stuck all over him in the first place as he was likely to do that a couple of more times just as he had before the tunnel, before going green..........
OK, enough of this one....................
| BillT | 05-24-2004 02:20 PM |
I think that the real issue that is circling in the back of everyone's head is if it was any driver other than JPM behind MS, do you think the accident might not have happened?
At least we were treated to probably the most exciting race so far in the season though it was exciting more for the carnage rather than the actual racing. Other than the Sato start, I don't really remember any passing except for JPM on RB very early in the race (nice move btw).
It will be nice having another race this weekend and not having to wait 2 weeks for the next race.
At least we were treated to probably the most exciting race so far in the season though it was exciting more for the carnage rather than the actual racing. Other than the Sato start, I don't really remember any passing except for JPM on RB very early in the race (nice move btw).
It will be nice having another race this weekend and not having to wait 2 weeks for the next race.
| Dussander | 05-24-2004 03:21 PM |
I was wondering on Ralphy and Fernando case if Ralphy tried to downshift, missed the gear (he was having gear box problems), then found the gear and took off, not intending to slow down and then speed up for Fernando.
For the JPM vs Michael case:
I imagine the Bridgestones work better on the cold surface (in the tunnel) then the Michelins. At those slow speeds, and thus lack of downforce, it may have been safer to get out off line of Michael before trying to brake in the case he couldn't slow fast enough to not run into the back of Michael. That's typically how I drive. In emergency braking I go for the open spot and then start braking. Once you have commited to threshold braking, your not able to change your line.
For the JPM vs Michael case:
I imagine the Bridgestones work better on the cold surface (in the tunnel) then the Michelins. At those slow speeds, and thus lack of downforce, it may have been safer to get out off line of Michael before trying to brake in the case he couldn't slow fast enough to not run into the back of Michael. That's typically how I drive. In emergency braking I go for the open spot and then start braking. Once you have commited to threshold braking, your not able to change your line.
| Snowphun | 05-24-2004 03:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BriDrive[/i]
[B] Ahhh....err....no.....I would have been paying attention and then I would be ready, on my brakes also.....[/B][/QUOTE]
Right. Sounds like you'd make a great F1 driver. :rolleyes:
[B] Ahhh....err....no.....I would have been paying attention and then I would be ready, on my brakes also.....[/B][/QUOTE]
Right. Sounds like you'd make a great F1 driver. :rolleyes:
| BriDrive | 05-24-2004 04:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Snowphun[/i]
[B] Right. Sounds like you'd make a great F1 driver. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Huh?
What is this?
Let me straighten you out: that was answer to a hypothetical question put to me by TimStevens.
Substitute "I" for "Driver B" and "my" for "his"
There, now you're not erroneously confused into thinking I was somehow suggesting that I personally wouldn't have driven into the back of MS.
BriDrive
[B] Right. Sounds like you'd make a great F1 driver. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Huh?
What is this?
Let me straighten you out: that was answer to a hypothetical question put to me by TimStevens.
Substitute "I" for "Driver B" and "my" for "his"
There, now you're not erroneously confused into thinking I was somehow suggesting that I personally wouldn't have driven into the back of MS.
BriDrive
| gtguy | 05-24-2004 04:36 PM |
Jarno Trulli, in post-race comments, said that Montoya was sitting very close to Schumacher, which surprised him, considering that JPM was lapped. This, coupled with the reports that Williams wanted Montoya to unlap himself (restart on cold tires, pass Schumacher, and voila...), means that one begins to wonder.
Was he simply not paying attention, or just caught out, following too closely and not expecting Schumacher to brake so hard?
Who knows.
Kevin
Was he simply not paying attention, or just caught out, following too closely and not expecting Schumacher to brake so hard?
Who knows.
Kevin
| gtguy | 05-24-2004 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BillT [/i]
[B]It will be nice having another race this weekend and not having to wait 2 weeks for the next race. [/B][/QUOTE]
Huh? What? Not two weeks? I should check the schedule.
Kevin
[B]It will be nice having another race this weekend and not having to wait 2 weeks for the next race. [/B][/QUOTE]
Huh? What? Not two weeks? I should check the schedule.
Kevin
| Snowphun | 05-24-2004 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BriDrive[/i]
[B]
Let me straighten you out: the back of MS.
[/B][/QUOTE]
No need to straighten anything, I understand what Tim was asking and how you replied. My statement stands: you seem to think a real F1 driver (someone besides JPM) would not have done this, when clearly mistakes can and do happen.
[B]
Let me straighten you out: the back of MS.
[/B][/QUOTE]
No need to straighten anything, I understand what Tim was asking and how you replied. My statement stands: you seem to think a real F1 driver (someone besides JPM) would not have done this, when clearly mistakes can and do happen.
| thesmokingman | 05-24-2004 07:11 PM |
I don't know who was right or wrong, but I did find it funny that it was JPM who did the booting.;)
| Snowphun | 05-24-2004 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B] Huh? What? Not two weeks? I should check the schedule.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Double up, then two weeks before NA:
30 May European Grand Prix (Nurburgring, Germany)
13 June Canadian Grand Prix (Montreal, Canada)
20 June United States Grand Prix (Indianapolis, USA)
Busy, busy. IIRC there's at least one extra race this season.
[B] Huh? What? Not two weeks? I should check the schedule.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Double up, then two weeks before NA:
30 May European Grand Prix (Nurburgring, Germany)
13 June Canadian Grand Prix (Montreal, Canada)
20 June United States Grand Prix (Indianapolis, USA)
Busy, busy. IIRC there's at least one extra race this season.
| BillT | 05-24-2004 07:28 PM |
The F1 schedule is going to be super-busy the next couple of weeks with the European Grand Prix this weekend and then a week off and then back to back with US and Canadian races. It will be interesting to see if any of the teams will be able to introduce anything new during the next several races given the tight schedule.
I guess tomorrow or Wednesday we should start a thread for the Nurburgring.
I guess tomorrow or Wednesday we should start a thread for the Nurburgring.
| bemani | 05-24-2004 07:51 PM |
Well, we have WRC Acropolis during the F1 week off :)
| johnfelstead | 05-24-2004 08:00 PM |
MS has caused a similar problem when leading the safety car laps back in Monza. He accelerated very hard then nailed the brakes very hard when not expected, that resulted in Jenson Button crashing into the barriers to avoid pilling into the back of him. This was when Jenson was driving for Williams.
MS should have known better than to nail his brakes like that in the tunell, it's very dark in there and they all have tinted visors on, so visibilty is apauling. At the very least it was a foolish mistake to put himself in a position to be hit from the rear. It is the responsibility of the lead driver to bring the cars round in a safe manner, MS didnt do that this time. Had it been anywhere else on that lap then fine, but you dont nail the brakes in the tunel, thats risking it.
I think its time the FIA started to read their regulations again with regards to using the black flag, Circuits like Monaco cant have cars limping round off the pace the way Ralf was, its too dangerous, they should have black flagged him. They should have black flagged Sato too, it was obvious his engine was going to expire, that could have decimated the entire field. Monaco is special and needs higher safety standards than a conventional circuit, Black flagging the car has its place if its running in a dangerous condition.
MS should have known better than to nail his brakes like that in the tunell, it's very dark in there and they all have tinted visors on, so visibilty is apauling. At the very least it was a foolish mistake to put himself in a position to be hit from the rear. It is the responsibility of the lead driver to bring the cars round in a safe manner, MS didnt do that this time. Had it been anywhere else on that lap then fine, but you dont nail the brakes in the tunel, thats risking it.
I think its time the FIA started to read their regulations again with regards to using the black flag, Circuits like Monaco cant have cars limping round off the pace the way Ralf was, its too dangerous, they should have black flagged him. They should have black flagged Sato too, it was obvious his engine was going to expire, that could have decimated the entire field. Monaco is special and needs higher safety standards than a conventional circuit, Black flagging the car has its place if its running in a dangerous condition.
| Leonardo | 05-24-2004 08:08 PM |
John, I agree with you entirely!
Saw the race and it was painfully obvious it was his fault.
The worse was Sato. He could have, as you said, decimated the field! They were lucky that time. Do they want a tragedy in their hands next time?
Saw the race and it was painfully obvious it was his fault.
The worse was Sato. He could have, as you said, decimated the field! They were lucky that time. Do they want a tragedy in their hands next time?
| Snowphun | 05-24-2004 08:15 PM |
The problem is when does the FIA decide that a car should not be allowed to continue? A few puffs of smoke? I agree that Monaco is so unique he should have been black flagged, especially given how early in the race it was. But other circuits are trickier. I remember DC spitting small amounts of smoke for 2/3's of a race a few years back. Finished and placed well.
| dorikin | 05-24-2004 09:43 PM |
imo, in sato's case i think the onus should be on the team to pull the car. if the telemetry indicates it's going to grenade whether it be sooner or later they should bring 'er in. especially on a course like monaco
| artkevin | 05-24-2004 09:47 PM |
David won that race but they had 2 way telemetry back then and were able to fix the problem from the pits. I do think that BAR should have pulled Sato in as soon as their info saying his engine was about to go bye bye.I think they knew that it was hopeless before it went boom so they should have let Sato know so he could had pulled off into one of the few run off areas. Again, hind sight is 20/20 but you do have to be careful in Manaco, just ask Fisi!
| gtguy | 05-25-2004 07:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Snowphun [/i]
[B]The problem is when does the FIA decide that a car should not be allowed to continue? A few puffs of smoke? I agree that Monaco is so unique he should have been black flagged, especially given how early in the race it was. But other circuits are trickier. I remember DC spitting small amounts of smoke for 2/3's of a race a few years back. Finished and placed well. [/B][/QUOTE]
DC's smoke was clearly of a different quality and source than Sato's. If the announcers were saying that the engine was going to let go, you know that BAR knew. I don't know what they were hoping by leaving him out there, unless they were trying to figure it all out when the engine blew.
If you watch the telecast, when it blew, everybody was unsighted. That was a lot of smoke. Raikkonen and Schumacher got through, only because they were right behind Sato and he did get right off the racing line. Everybody else must have thought "Hmmm. Heavy fog in Monaco today."
Regarding the Schumacher tunnel incident, I believe that Schumacher has some culpability, but on the other hand, from what Trulli said, he was doing that all around the circuit. Trulli's comments, coupled with Montoya's desire to unlap himself, thirded by his known abilities on cold tires, means that he was going to get as close as possible to Schumacher for the restart, which would explain why he was so close, and why he was caught out by the sudden slowdown.
It is indeed the responsibility of the leader to bring the group around safely. But it is also the responsibility of the leader to tend to his own racing car, as part of that safety, particularly at Monaco, involves having sufficient heat in the tires where that person isn't a hazard at the restart. Nobody else ran into another car. I've watched it a few times, and still don't know what to make of it, other than that both drivers screwed up. Putting the blame on one or the other will certain identify whether you're a pro or anti-Schumacher driver, however.
Kevin
[B]The problem is when does the FIA decide that a car should not be allowed to continue? A few puffs of smoke? I agree that Monaco is so unique he should have been black flagged, especially given how early in the race it was. But other circuits are trickier. I remember DC spitting small amounts of smoke for 2/3's of a race a few years back. Finished and placed well. [/B][/QUOTE]
DC's smoke was clearly of a different quality and source than Sato's. If the announcers were saying that the engine was going to let go, you know that BAR knew. I don't know what they were hoping by leaving him out there, unless they were trying to figure it all out when the engine blew.
If you watch the telecast, when it blew, everybody was unsighted. That was a lot of smoke. Raikkonen and Schumacher got through, only because they were right behind Sato and he did get right off the racing line. Everybody else must have thought "Hmmm. Heavy fog in Monaco today."
Regarding the Schumacher tunnel incident, I believe that Schumacher has some culpability, but on the other hand, from what Trulli said, he was doing that all around the circuit. Trulli's comments, coupled with Montoya's desire to unlap himself, thirded by his known abilities on cold tires, means that he was going to get as close as possible to Schumacher for the restart, which would explain why he was so close, and why he was caught out by the sudden slowdown.
It is indeed the responsibility of the leader to bring the group around safely. But it is also the responsibility of the leader to tend to his own racing car, as part of that safety, particularly at Monaco, involves having sufficient heat in the tires where that person isn't a hazard at the restart. Nobody else ran into another car. I've watched it a few times, and still don't know what to make of it, other than that both drivers screwed up. Putting the blame on one or the other will certain identify whether you're a pro or anti-Schumacher driver, however.
Kevin
| Bonzo | 05-25-2004 09:17 AM |
iirc the lights were still flashing on the pace car at the time of the MS/JPM shunt. Meaning they had at least one more lap before the greene flag. Correct?
Even so, if that is correct they might still be working the car constantly to keep heat in the tires. So I am not sure why I am posting this reply:p
Even so, if that is correct they might still be working the car constantly to keep heat in the tires. So I am not sure why I am posting this reply:p
| Dr. WOT | 05-25-2004 09:31 AM |
I have to say that the tunnel incident seems to very much be a party line issue. Who you believe was at fault has everything to do with which driver you support.
Stange though that the Montoya crowd is so reluctant to accept any blame whatsoever.
Stange though that the Montoya crowd is so reluctant to accept any blame whatsoever.
| BriDrive | 05-25-2004 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Snowphun[/i]
[B] No need to straighten anything, I understand what Tim was asking and how you replied. My statement stands: you seem to think a real F1 driver (someone besides JPM) would not have done this, when clearly mistakes can and do happen. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmmmm, let's see how a "real F1 driver" might have approached the situation:
Trulli, who had the best view of the incident, said, �I tend to leave a gap to the car in front, but Montoya did not seem to. Already at Mirabeau, they almost crashed and I thought, �Hey, something might happen here.� And it did!�
Oh well.............Let's just say I obviously don't think you are any more qualified than me or any one else to GIVE AN OPINION.
BriDrive
[B] No need to straighten anything, I understand what Tim was asking and how you replied. My statement stands: you seem to think a real F1 driver (someone besides JPM) would not have done this, when clearly mistakes can and do happen. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmmmm, let's see how a "real F1 driver" might have approached the situation:
Trulli, who had the best view of the incident, said, �I tend to leave a gap to the car in front, but Montoya did not seem to. Already at Mirabeau, they almost crashed and I thought, �Hey, something might happen here.� And it did!�
Oh well.............Let's just say I obviously don't think you are any more qualified than me or any one else to GIVE AN OPINION.
BriDrive
| OnTheGas | 05-25-2004 11:35 AM |
What Was Juan Thinking?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BriDrive [/i]
[B]But honestly, what was JPM thinking...he's gonna just blaze past MS when the safety car pitted and get that crucial lap back...and then make up another 1:14 to 1:16 again to really put it to the leaders?[/B][/QUOTE]It's funny that you should mention that... because JPM was preparing to pass Michael to unlap himself at the green flag. That may sound crazy to some of you, but Juan and Williams had a very good reasons to think that Juan could pass Schumacher on the track at Monaco.
There is a very cool poster in [URL=news://rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated]rasf1 moderated[/URL] who posts the on track passes for position after each race. Early in the race, Juan had passed the other Ferrari on the track at Monaco for position!
Check out all the on track passes for position at Monaco:
[CODE]Lap Place Passer (Passed)
=======================================
8 6 Montoya (Barrichello)
10 15 R Schumacher (Baumgartner)
12 12 Panis (Bruni)
12 13 R Schumacher (Bruni)
29 7 Montoya (Heidfeld)[/CODE]
So there were 5 on track passes for position all day, and 3 of them are passes of a Minardi for position. The remaining 2 passes were Montoya passing Barrichello (!), and then later Heidfeld, (another b'stone runner).
So besides that, Montoya had just pitted, and had on fresh Michelins, which work very well when new, probably better than Michael's used b'stones.
So Montoya and Williams were fairly confident that he could give Michael a pretty hard go when the green flag dropped, and perhaps succeed. When they were in the tunnel, Montoya knew that the pace car was preparing to pull off, and they would be green at the S/F line.
Montoya would then have clear track, and he could turn laps briefly faster than Michael, and pull a little bit of a gap before Michael's tires came up to temp.
It would have been horrible for Michael, as his only chance to win would have been to have a clear track for a few laps, to enable him try to pull a bit of a gap. He was carrying some fuel, so he was set to run for a some laps, which is why Brawn chose not to bring them in, (see Rubens comments in the press conference).
[B]But honestly, what was JPM thinking...he's gonna just blaze past MS when the safety car pitted and get that crucial lap back...and then make up another 1:14 to 1:16 again to really put it to the leaders?[/B][/QUOTE]It's funny that you should mention that... because JPM was preparing to pass Michael to unlap himself at the green flag. That may sound crazy to some of you, but Juan and Williams had a very good reasons to think that Juan could pass Schumacher on the track at Monaco.
There is a very cool poster in [URL=news://rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated]rasf1 moderated[/URL] who posts the on track passes for position after each race. Early in the race, Juan had passed the other Ferrari on the track at Monaco for position!
Check out all the on track passes for position at Monaco:
[CODE]Lap Place Passer (Passed)
=======================================
8 6 Montoya (Barrichello)
10 15 R Schumacher (Baumgartner)
12 12 Panis (Bruni)
12 13 R Schumacher (Bruni)
29 7 Montoya (Heidfeld)[/CODE]
So there were 5 on track passes for position all day, and 3 of them are passes of a Minardi for position. The remaining 2 passes were Montoya passing Barrichello (!), and then later Heidfeld, (another b'stone runner).
So besides that, Montoya had just pitted, and had on fresh Michelins, which work very well when new, probably better than Michael's used b'stones.
So Montoya and Williams were fairly confident that he could give Michael a pretty hard go when the green flag dropped, and perhaps succeed. When they were in the tunnel, Montoya knew that the pace car was preparing to pull off, and they would be green at the S/F line.
Montoya would then have clear track, and he could turn laps briefly faster than Michael, and pull a little bit of a gap before Michael's tires came up to temp.
It would have been horrible for Michael, as his only chance to win would have been to have a clear track for a few laps, to enable him try to pull a bit of a gap. He was carrying some fuel, so he was set to run for a some laps, which is why Brawn chose not to bring them in, (see Rubens comments in the press conference).
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