| buzz313th | 12-28-2004 10:24 PM |
bump
| mcu81 | 12-28-2004 11:40 PM |
cool idea, doubt incredible turnouts without incentives.......I'd offer a free t-shirt "NASIOC ROAD RACING" or something for a 20 dollar donation. Or at least a bumper sticker........
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey
| Akarui | 12-28-2004 11:54 PM |
| M | 12-29-2004 12:01 AM |
if you give people a tshirt for a $20 donation, you will maybe make $10. a sticker maybe $19. IT's tough to do it all.
| V6TurboTA | 12-29-2004 12:01 AM |
Yeah ahh... dont people that are good usualy find real sponsors?
~v6
~v6
| FredRush | 12-29-2004 12:02 AM |
| Killian Maynard | 12-29-2004 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE=mcu81]cool idea, doubt incredible turnouts without incentives.......I'd offer a free t-shirt "NASIOC ROAD RACING" or something for a 20 dollar donation. Or at least a bumper sticker........
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey[/QUOTE]
How about turning on Speed and watching a subaru touring car with a huge NASIOC logo on it spanking the field! :banana: Thats enough gratification for me.
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey[/QUOTE]
How about turning on Speed and watching a subaru touring car with a huge NASIOC logo on it spanking the field! :banana: Thats enough gratification for me.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:07 AM |
[QUOTE=mcu81]cool idea, doubt incredible turnouts without incentives.......I'd offer a free t-shirt "NASIOC ROAD RACING" or something for a 20 dollar donation. Or at least a bumper sticker........
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey[/QUOTE]
I agree with the incentives... hopefully if we get a good turnout here, we can proceed. The next level can only start once Nasioc officially gets involved, and I am still waiting for a Reply from Nick. Once that next step starts... There hopefully will be incentives for donation levels.... If anyone has some really cool outa the box ideas on what to offer (Not just T-Shirts) please email me or PM me... But lets keep this thread on topic...
I'd like to think that Nasioc alone can raise much more than just 20k... and hopefully it's just not outa the goodness of everyones heart. I am slightly doing this for a selfish reason. I wanna see a Suby in a US Series. and I wanna cheer when it takes some wins. The biggest problem I face at this moment, is that I can't get the word out to everyone on Nasioc. I'm stuck here in the Motorsports Forum (Can't crosspost) Plus everyone is probably away from there computers on vacation. I can make all the excuses I want... But I truely beleive that if most Suby Enthusiasts think about it... they would happily put up 20.00 to be a small part of a National Series Race Team. I don't plan on just stopping at Nasioc... I think there are many other avenues we can tap.... It's just gonna take a little legwork.
just my opinion. I feel you could raise a couple grand on nasioc outta the goodness of mosts hearts........but not 20k or more
maybe even auction off old subys for the team
-mikey[/QUOTE]
I agree with the incentives... hopefully if we get a good turnout here, we can proceed. The next level can only start once Nasioc officially gets involved, and I am still waiting for a Reply from Nick. Once that next step starts... There hopefully will be incentives for donation levels.... If anyone has some really cool outa the box ideas on what to offer (Not just T-Shirts) please email me or PM me... But lets keep this thread on topic...
I'd like to think that Nasioc alone can raise much more than just 20k... and hopefully it's just not outa the goodness of everyones heart. I am slightly doing this for a selfish reason. I wanna see a Suby in a US Series. and I wanna cheer when it takes some wins. The biggest problem I face at this moment, is that I can't get the word out to everyone on Nasioc. I'm stuck here in the Motorsports Forum (Can't crosspost) Plus everyone is probably away from there computers on vacation. I can make all the excuses I want... But I truely beleive that if most Suby Enthusiasts think about it... they would happily put up 20.00 to be a small part of a National Series Race Team. I don't plan on just stopping at Nasioc... I think there are many other avenues we can tap.... It's just gonna take a little legwork.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:18 AM |
[QUOTE=V6TurboTA]Yeah ahh... dont people that are good usualy find real sponsors?
~v6[/QUOTE]
Yes they do... Realize that Nasioc wouldn't be the only sponsor.... we would use publicity from our own efforts here on Nasioc to help get the Big Sponsors.... remember... we are only trying to prove to others how large the fanbase is for a US Roadracing Suby.... Once we do that...other investors will be more likely to jump onboard.
Again.... lets see how many Subaru Enthusiasts would donate 10 or 20 dollars to be a part of the first season of a Grand Am or WSC Subaru....
If we did pull this off... I would pretty much guarantee a Season Podium Finish (I and many others have that much confidence in the SMR team)
Man... ask yourself this.... wouldn't it feel good....
~v6[/QUOTE]
Yes they do... Realize that Nasioc wouldn't be the only sponsor.... we would use publicity from our own efforts here on Nasioc to help get the Big Sponsors.... remember... we are only trying to prove to others how large the fanbase is for a US Roadracing Suby.... Once we do that...other investors will be more likely to jump onboard.
Again.... lets see how many Subaru Enthusiasts would donate 10 or 20 dollars to be a part of the first season of a Grand Am or WSC Subaru....
If we did pull this off... I would pretty much guarantee a Season Podium Finish (I and many others have that much confidence in the SMR team)
Man... ask yourself this.... wouldn't it feel good....
| kwak | 12-29-2004 12:23 AM |
That last time a bunch of friends and I threw money and time at a race car we all got to drive it. ;) ;) ;)
The best way for this to come off is to REALLLLY get Subaru involved. Take a look at the standings from previous years for WC and the prize/contingency money is mostly factory money.
The best way for this to come off is to REALLLLY get Subaru involved. Take a look at the standings from previous years for WC and the prize/contingency money is mostly factory money.
| Utah Saint | 12-29-2004 12:26 AM |
[QUOTE=patr]as per the other thread, you might as well vote on it
with no funding for 2005 and no factory drives, my one shot is dead in the water too.. at least my car had nasioc decals on it for 04 !
;)
-Pat [url="http://www.patrickrichard.com"]www.patrickrichard.com[/url][/QUOTE]
So you guys wont be coming to the PPIHC this next year? I enjoyed watching the guys work on the car at Heuberger while I was working there.
with no funding for 2005 and no factory drives, my one shot is dead in the water too.. at least my car had nasioc decals on it for 04 !
;)
-Pat [url="http://www.patrickrichard.com"]www.patrickrichard.com[/url][/QUOTE]
So you guys wont be coming to the PPIHC this next year? I enjoyed watching the guys work on the car at Heuberger while I was working there.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:27 AM |
[QUOTE=kwak]That last time a bunch of friends and I threw money and time at a race car we all got to drive it. ;) ;) ;)
The best way for this to come off is to REALLLLY get Subaru involved. Take a look at the standings from previous years for WC and the prize/contingency money is mostly factory money.[/QUOTE]
We wouldn't see any team if SOA didn't get involved.... Trust me if they see a substantial Fan Base they couldn't help but get involved... It would be a given......
The best way for this to come off is to REALLLLY get Subaru involved. Take a look at the standings from previous years for WC and the prize/contingency money is mostly factory money.[/QUOTE]
We wouldn't see any team if SOA didn't get involved.... Trust me if they see a substantial Fan Base they couldn't help but get involved... It would be a given......
| dwx | 12-29-2004 12:29 AM |
If this became a well organized effort, I'd be willing to put some money in, probably > $50. I'd also be willing to donate to help send Pat to a WRC event. :)
Buzz313th I would PM Nick regarding your threads in other forums. Even though your intentions are admirable, someone will report them and you may get banned or put in timeout for it.
Buzz313th I would PM Nick regarding your threads in other forums. Even though your intentions are admirable, someone will report them and you may get banned or put in timeout for it.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:34 AM |
[QUOTE=dwx]If this became a well organized effort, I'd be willing to put some money in, probably > $50. I'd also be willing to donate to help send Pat to a WRC event. :)
Buzz313th I would PM Nick regarding your threads in other forums. Even though your intentions are admirable, someone will report them and you may get banned or put in timeout for it.[/QUOTE]
Well the first thing U could do is vote in the poll above and indicate you would be willing to donate 50.00.... I need everyone who visits this thread to realise we have a poll.... If U don't want to post... just vote.. it will give us a good indication of how we are doing..
In terms of Pat... I would also donate money to his efforts...
If this works.. it may open the doors for others.... Good thing to think about...
I have already been warned once by one of the Moderators for the crossposts.... so I won't do anymore. I also have an email into the webmaster... hopefully he will get back to me soon..
Buzz313th I would PM Nick regarding your threads in other forums. Even though your intentions are admirable, someone will report them and you may get banned or put in timeout for it.[/QUOTE]
Well the first thing U could do is vote in the poll above and indicate you would be willing to donate 50.00.... I need everyone who visits this thread to realise we have a poll.... If U don't want to post... just vote.. it will give us a good indication of how we are doing..
In terms of Pat... I would also donate money to his efforts...
If this works.. it may open the doors for others.... Good thing to think about...
I have already been warned once by one of the Moderators for the crossposts.... so I won't do anymore. I also have an email into the webmaster... hopefully he will get back to me soon..
| STiTuner | 12-29-2004 12:39 AM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]World Challenge Touring Car is the ticket, not Grand Am. Grand Am would be a waste of money for a variety of reasons, none the least of which is that the WRX is outclassed. In WCTC the WRX is now legal and though FI is new for WCTC, they will become the dominate cars within 2 years IMHO.
A "grassroots" supported team backed by the largest Subaru board is great marketing in and of itself. This will attract other sponsors. I think Gary has the rep here to pull in a significant about of funding. The "matching funds" idea from SOA is also, IMO, a good possibility.
Gary - You need to start getting the marketing wheels turning and figure this out.
I'd contribute $100 if this gets off the ground.
- Steve Sulatycki[/QUOTE]
Think Irish Mikes Racing, he has been in world challenge for the past few seasons sporting the 2.5rs in the new age body style. He had very good results from a motor that had been deemed as an underdog. this year he should come out well with a lot of the new turbo cars. I've been following his progress closely this season and anticipate good results at initial testing on the 7th of january.
Brad
A "grassroots" supported team backed by the largest Subaru board is great marketing in and of itself. This will attract other sponsors. I think Gary has the rep here to pull in a significant about of funding. The "matching funds" idea from SOA is also, IMO, a good possibility.
Gary - You need to start getting the marketing wheels turning and figure this out.
I'd contribute $100 if this gets off the ground.
- Steve Sulatycki[/QUOTE]
Think Irish Mikes Racing, he has been in world challenge for the past few seasons sporting the 2.5rs in the new age body style. He had very good results from a motor that had been deemed as an underdog. this year he should come out well with a lot of the new turbo cars. I've been following his progress closely this season and anticipate good results at initial testing on the 7th of january.
Brad
| STiTuner | 12-29-2004 12:42 AM |
[QUOTE=V6TurboTA]Yeah ahh... dont people that are good usualy find real sponsors?
~v6[/QUOTE]
the money isn't in road racing right now, its in drag racing. Drag racing gets so much more publicity and air time (depending on class). Sponsorship is more marketing than racing though.
Think ESX, ali might not be the best (he is good no doubt) driver but he can market his ass off.
~v6[/QUOTE]
the money isn't in road racing right now, its in drag racing. Drag racing gets so much more publicity and air time (depending on class). Sponsorship is more marketing than racing though.
Think ESX, ali might not be the best (he is good no doubt) driver but he can market his ass off.
| 8Complex | 12-29-2004 12:43 AM |
Am I the only person that is upset at the unprofessional way which the first post was written? The word is "you", punctuation is meant to be used one at a time, using ALL CAPS to emphasize words/statments, etc.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad idea, just the way it was presented bugs the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad idea, just the way it was presented bugs the hell out of me.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:52 AM |
Well I'm sorry it bugs you so much... I'm not an english major and I never did well in english class. I don't come to these boards to be corrected on my grammar, just to express my ideas and help others if I can. I do not represent SMR or in anyway am I involved with SMR. I am just someone who would like to see a suby on TV....
(Biting my tongue) If it bugs U so much. Please feel free to send me your updated version of my first post via email and I would be happy to edit it to your standards.
Sorry if U took that personally
Ohh by the way... "8Complex" would U be interested in donating some funds for this venture?
Have a good un...
Jeff B
(Biting my tongue) If it bugs U so much. Please feel free to send me your updated version of my first post via email and I would be happy to edit it to your standards.
Sorry if U took that personally
Ohh by the way... "8Complex" would U be interested in donating some funds for this venture?
Have a good un...
Jeff B
| Homemade WRX | 12-29-2004 01:27 AM |
I'm a poor college kid on a Formula SAE team so I can only give but $10, my other money goes to my subie or my race team ;)
| makofoto | 12-29-2004 01:32 AM |
All it takes is $10 ... from EVERYONE!
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 01:33 AM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX]I'm a poor college kid on a Formula SAE team so I can only give but $10, my other money goes to my subie or my race team ;)[/QUOTE]
Excellent... Thank U very much..
Excellent... Thank U very much..
| 8Complex | 12-29-2004 01:43 AM |
Well, I'm not one to hold people to things like that, but communication seems to be breaking down these days and people don't seem to get it. "U want to B part of a race team project????? it wood B cool if U contributed and we could make a winning team!!!!!!"
I contribute monitarily to few things, my own projects and needs take precedence. Sure, I'd like to see the series happen, but I'm just more dedicated to my own projects. Plus I don't much like to watch others behind the wheel, rather I like to be behind the wheel myself.
Good luck with the project, though, hope you can get more professional & organized before things are nailed into stone. :)
I contribute monitarily to few things, my own projects and needs take precedence. Sure, I'd like to see the series happen, but I'm just more dedicated to my own projects. Plus I don't much like to watch others behind the wheel, rather I like to be behind the wheel myself.
Good luck with the project, though, hope you can get more professional & organized before things are nailed into stone. :)
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 01:50 AM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]Well, I'm not one to hold people to things like that, but communication seems to be breaking down these days and people don't seem to get it. "U want to B part of a race team project????? it wood B cool if U contributed and we could make a winning team!!!!!!"
I contribute monitarily to few things, my own projects and needs take precedence. Sure, I'd like to see the series happen, but I'm just more dedicated to my own projects. Plus I don't much like to watch others behind the wheel, rather I like to be behind the wheel myself.
Good luck with the project, though, hope you can get more professional & organized before things are nailed into stone. :)[/QUOTE]
Point well made.
When things do get nailed into stone, there will probably be someone else handling the issue. I'm just here to drum up support.
How was that?
Thanks I appreciate the support.
I contribute monitarily to few things, my own projects and needs take precedence. Sure, I'd like to see the series happen, but I'm just more dedicated to my own projects. Plus I don't much like to watch others behind the wheel, rather I like to be behind the wheel myself.
Good luck with the project, though, hope you can get more professional & organized before things are nailed into stone. :)[/QUOTE]
Point well made.
When things do get nailed into stone, there will probably be someone else handling the issue. I'm just here to drum up support.
How was that?
Thanks I appreciate the support.
| patr | 12-29-2004 01:56 AM |
[QUOTE=Utah Saint]So you guys wont be coming to the PPIHC this next year? I enjoyed watching the guys work on the car at Heuberger while I was working there.[/QUOTE]Probably not unless something changes dramatically like the size of the nasioc.com decal growing across the whole side of the car.
Seriously though, its looking grim. it doesn;t seem to matter to anyone, you have to go WRC to get interest, and the funding gap between USA and WRC is too steep to carry sponsors over. This might change with Rally America's efforts, I hope so.
Seriously though, its looking grim. it doesn;t seem to matter to anyone, you have to go WRC to get interest, and the funding gap between USA and WRC is too steep to carry sponsors over. This might change with Rally America's efforts, I hope so.
| mandrOid | 12-29-2004 01:59 AM |
I pledge $50 if this gets enough support. I'd love to see an internet based club get a car into a major season/event. Details will work themselves out once the support is there.
- Ray
P.S. email: rayescamilla - at - hotmail - dot - com
- Ray
P.S. email: rayescamilla - at - hotmail - dot - com
| moger21 | 12-29-2004 02:00 AM |
sign me up :-) [email][email�protected][/email]
| DrBiggly | 12-29-2004 03:23 AM |
PM for address.
$20 min.
$20 min.
| Diabolical1 CC | 12-29-2004 04:11 AM |
Who is Gary Sheehan?
| Patrick L | 12-29-2004 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE=Diabolical1 CC]Who is Gary Sheehan?[/QUOTE]
Are you serious. :huh:
When you goto click on the Motorsports forum link you see this:
[B]Motorsports
Racing Information - Amateur to Professional. Presented by [COLOR=Red]Team SMR[/COLOR][/B]
Team SMR (Sheehan Motor Racing)
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com/[/url]
He had been racing a WRX in the NASA TC series.
Are you serious. :huh:
When you goto click on the Motorsports forum link you see this:
[B]Motorsports
Racing Information - Amateur to Professional. Presented by [COLOR=Red]Team SMR[/COLOR][/B]
Team SMR (Sheehan Motor Racing)
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com/[/url]
He had been racing a WRX in the NASA TC series.
| CirrusWRX | 12-29-2004 09:52 AM |
If it involves getting another Subaru on the racetrack, I'm game.
$50 from me - this is only under the following assumptions:
The race car will:
1. Making turns (other than the one back to the pit)
2. Make left AND right turns in any given "circuit"
$50 from me - this is only under the following assumptions:
The race car will:
1. Making turns (other than the one back to the pit)
2. Make left AND right turns in any given "circuit"
| forced4 | 12-29-2004 11:59 AM |
I'd be down for $20...I need a more defined plan though. Other sponsors, team members, etc. :)
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 12:29 PM |
Thanks for all your support... Don't forget to vote on the poll at the top of the thread. It will help us judge monetary levels.
Thanks
Jeff B
Thanks
Jeff B
| Bloodline_Rex | 12-29-2004 12:44 PM |
I would be down for $20
| mw1029h | 12-29-2004 01:34 PM |
Hello Jeff, I was wondering where you were going with the idea of a race team when you brought it up a few weeks ago. I'm in, I would definitely like to see it and make a donation. For those of you who are only concerned about you own personal efforts "Hurray for me and F U" you SIRS are truely amazing, amazingly selfish. :(
| Killian Maynard | 12-29-2004 01:41 PM |
Hey, just about $2090 so far. At this rate we'll have a sponsored team by the time Cobb Tuning releases its next product :lol:
| makofoto | 12-29-2004 02:10 PM |
We're waiting for permission to take this beyond the Motorsports Forum.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE=mw1029h]Hello Jeff, I was wondering where you were going with the idea of a race team when you brought it up a few weeks ago. I'm in, I would definitely like to see it and make a donation. For those of you who are only concerned about you own personal efforts "Hurray for me and F U" you SIRS are truely amazing, amazingly selfish. :([/QUOTE]
I actually only brought it up 3 or 4 days ago... A freind of mine (Makofoto) and I were just talking about ideas in getting a Suby on TV in US RoadRacing. We realized how nuts (in a good way) everyone on Nasioc is about their Subies and thought this might be a viable solution. Gary Sheehan is the obvious choice for Driver/Team since he has already established a Racing Career and excellent contacts in the Suby Community.
I too would like to see more ppl supporting this effort. But we do need to realize that 1) most ppl in Nasioc are away on vacation now... 2) I still haven't gotten permission from the webmaster here to go beyond the Motorsports forum 3) alot of ppl may feel less than optimistic that this will work, so they not showing there support. 4) Gary is one of Many Proffessional drivers here on this site. Some of these drivers are slightly resentfull that this effort is going towerds RoadRacing and not the motorsport that they may be involved with. Bottom line though, We have a suby in almost every other motorsport except RoadRacing and RoadRacing series such as Grand Am or SWC are avenues that have very large marketing potentials in comparrison to the other venues that suby is already involved in.
Jeff B
I actually only brought it up 3 or 4 days ago... A freind of mine (Makofoto) and I were just talking about ideas in getting a Suby on TV in US RoadRacing. We realized how nuts (in a good way) everyone on Nasioc is about their Subies and thought this might be a viable solution. Gary Sheehan is the obvious choice for Driver/Team since he has already established a Racing Career and excellent contacts in the Suby Community.
I too would like to see more ppl supporting this effort. But we do need to realize that 1) most ppl in Nasioc are away on vacation now... 2) I still haven't gotten permission from the webmaster here to go beyond the Motorsports forum 3) alot of ppl may feel less than optimistic that this will work, so they not showing there support. 4) Gary is one of Many Proffessional drivers here on this site. Some of these drivers are slightly resentfull that this effort is going towerds RoadRacing and not the motorsport that they may be involved with. Bottom line though, We have a suby in almost every other motorsport except RoadRacing and RoadRacing series such as Grand Am or SWC are avenues that have very large marketing potentials in comparrison to the other venues that suby is already involved in.
Jeff B
| ciscofreak | 12-29-2004 04:43 PM |
I'm down for 10.00:)
~Jake
~Jake
| mw1029h | 12-29-2004 04:57 PM |
[QUOTE=buzz313th]I actually only brought it up 3 or 4 days ago... A freind of mine (Makofoto) and I were just talking about ideas in getting a Suby on TV in US RoadRacing. We realized how nuts (in a good way) everyone on Nasioc is about their Subies and thought this might be a viable solution. Gary Sheehan is the obvious choice for Driver/Team since he has already established a Racing Career and excellent contacts in the Suby Community.
I too would like to see more ppl supporting this effort. But we do need to realize that 1) most ppl in Nasioc are away on vacation now... 2) I still haven't gotten permission from the webmaster here to go beyond the Motorsports forum 3) alot of ppl may feel less than optimistic that this will work, so they not showing there support. 4) Gary is one of Many Proffessional drivers here on this site. Some of these drivers are slightly resentfull that this effort is going towerds RoadRacing and not the motorsport that they may be involved with. Bottom line though, We have a suby in almost every other motorsport except RoadRacing and RoadRacing series such as Grand Am or SWC are avenues that have very large marketing potentials in comparrison to the other venues that suby is already involved in.
Jeff B[/QUOTE]I see ok, see you Thursday :D
I too would like to see more ppl supporting this effort. But we do need to realize that 1) most ppl in Nasioc are away on vacation now... 2) I still haven't gotten permission from the webmaster here to go beyond the Motorsports forum 3) alot of ppl may feel less than optimistic that this will work, so they not showing there support. 4) Gary is one of Many Proffessional drivers here on this site. Some of these drivers are slightly resentfull that this effort is going towerds RoadRacing and not the motorsport that they may be involved with. Bottom line though, We have a suby in almost every other motorsport except RoadRacing and RoadRacing series such as Grand Am or SWC are avenues that have very large marketing potentials in comparrison to the other venues that suby is already involved in.
Jeff B[/QUOTE]I see ok, see you Thursday :D
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 05:01 PM |
[QUOTE=mw1029h]I see ok, see you Thursday :D[/QUOTE]
Is this Mark? Who is this... U are Karting with us on thursday?
Is this Mark? Who is this... U are Karting with us on thursday?
| Charlie-III | 12-29-2004 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=Killian Maynard]Hey, just about $2090 so far. At this rate we'll have a sponsored team by the time Cobb Tuning releases its next product :lol:[/QUOTE]
Ouch :cool:
Possibly true, but Ouch just the same. ;)
BTW, I DO buy a lot of COBB parts.
Ouch :cool:
Possibly true, but Ouch just the same. ;)
BTW, I DO buy a lot of COBB parts.
| buzz313th | 12-29-2004 08:12 PM |
I just wanted to quote SMR's Crew Chief from a post on a different forum.
Joel
Photogenic SMR Crew Chief
Member # 453
posted 29 December, 2004 04:57 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello,
Parker, the first run exposure on Speed channel is the same between World Challenge and Grand Am. They have the same number of races... That said, how often do you see coverage of backmarker cars?
Although Subaru enthusiasts love to see Subarus racing, we didn't really get to see much of the Irish Mike's effort on TV. Why? Because the cameras stay at the front or on the big crashes. The front runners are the "most interesting" folks to watch.
I think the chance of running at the front is a huge plus for Grand Am. It means more TV time. I'm sure Subaru fans will TiVo races if they're not at convenient times
The chance of success and the cost of design and modification conspire together to make Grand Am cheaper and better for Subaru. The same amount of money will get less coverage for Subaru in World Challenge.
Let me say, btw, that Sheehan Motor Racing has many things in the works. As for where NASIOC's investment would go, that would be the activator for a racing effort for this year. Other corporate sponsors either have been or would be secured, as if the money came from any other organization / corporation. There is no way that NASIOC can raise enough money for a team, by itself. As "M" posted in the other forum, the MINIMUM cost of racing is in the $500k-$1M range. The cost of being a front-runner will likely be higher than that. Don't forget that you can't have your entire season go away if you get a wreck, so there's significant time and money needed for at least one backup car / test mule / etc.
The effort would go a long way towards making a Subaru a reality for next year, which in turn would make a Subaru a reality for many years to come. This would be a great thing.
If Jeff's thread goes far enough (ie, if many people post their interest and vote in the poll), we'll come up with a formal proposal to the forum members, that will discuss the relevant details and where things would go, etc.
Joel
Joel
Photogenic SMR Crew Chief
Member # 453
posted 29 December, 2004 04:57 PM
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Hello,
Parker, the first run exposure on Speed channel is the same between World Challenge and Grand Am. They have the same number of races... That said, how often do you see coverage of backmarker cars?
Although Subaru enthusiasts love to see Subarus racing, we didn't really get to see much of the Irish Mike's effort on TV. Why? Because the cameras stay at the front or on the big crashes. The front runners are the "most interesting" folks to watch.
I think the chance of running at the front is a huge plus for Grand Am. It means more TV time. I'm sure Subaru fans will TiVo races if they're not at convenient times
The chance of success and the cost of design and modification conspire together to make Grand Am cheaper and better for Subaru. The same amount of money will get less coverage for Subaru in World Challenge.
Let me say, btw, that Sheehan Motor Racing has many things in the works. As for where NASIOC's investment would go, that would be the activator for a racing effort for this year. Other corporate sponsors either have been or would be secured, as if the money came from any other organization / corporation. There is no way that NASIOC can raise enough money for a team, by itself. As "M" posted in the other forum, the MINIMUM cost of racing is in the $500k-$1M range. The cost of being a front-runner will likely be higher than that. Don't forget that you can't have your entire season go away if you get a wreck, so there's significant time and money needed for at least one backup car / test mule / etc.
The effort would go a long way towards making a Subaru a reality for next year, which in turn would make a Subaru a reality for many years to come. This would be a great thing.
If Jeff's thread goes far enough (ie, if many people post their interest and vote in the poll), we'll come up with a formal proposal to the forum members, that will discuss the relevant details and where things would go, etc.
Joel
| awilson529 | 12-29-2004 10:03 PM |
Hell yeah.... $50, next month (January; I'm broke as of now.).
Adam
[email][email�protected][/email]
Adam
[email][email�protected][/email]
| zoomfactor | 12-29-2004 10:12 PM |
| Apex Rex | 12-29-2004 10:17 PM |
Id be down for donating $50 if this gets off the ground. Possibly more depending on financial situation at the time... (poor college student :lol: )
~Apex
~Apex
| Tkacik | 12-30-2004 08:38 AM |
| WRXPRESS | 12-30-2004 11:10 AM |
I would donate a minimum of $20..once this really begins to take shape I will see if I can do better. IF this gets off the ground you could end up raffling off a ride along for a paid donator at one of the race locations.
Donation gifts should be set up like a PBS fundraiser.
donations of $10-$20 get a window sticker
$50-$75- get a window sticker and a shirt or hat
$100-$150- sticker, hat, shirt and autographed racing poster.
$200-plus - sticker, hat, shirt, autographed racing poster, coffee mug and special team access at events(pit passes.etc..).
Donation gifts should be set up like a PBS fundraiser.
donations of $10-$20 get a window sticker
$50-$75- get a window sticker and a shirt or hat
$100-$150- sticker, hat, shirt and autographed racing poster.
$200-plus - sticker, hat, shirt, autographed racing poster, coffee mug and special team access at events(pit passes.etc..).
| forced4 | 12-30-2004 11:13 AM |
Or possibly sell merchandise to raise funds as well?
| artkevin | 12-30-2004 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=forced4]Or possibly sell merchandise to raise funds as well?[/QUOTE]
I'll glady donate one of my paintings for the cause if this really does take shape.
KevinPaigeArt.com
I'll glady donate one of my paintings for the cause if this really does take shape.
KevinPaigeArt.com
| makofoto | 12-30-2004 11:40 AM |
Kevin ... WOW !!! VERY Nice work ... and a very generous offer! Thanks ...
Everyone ... check out Kevin's page ... (not to hijack this thread ... but you've got to appreciate NASIOC talent :-) ... besides ... we need to turn Kevin's art into money!)
Everyone ... check out Kevin's page ... (not to hijack this thread ... but you've got to appreciate NASIOC talent :-) ... besides ... we need to turn Kevin's art into money!)
| buzz313th | 12-30-2004 01:11 PM |
Thanks for the support that we are still drumming in.
I just wanted to give an update.
I have yet to get a reply to the emails that I have sent to Nick (Nasioc Webmaster) to see if he would officially endorse this effort. I know he is checking the boards, but I don't understand why he has not responded. If any of you know a better way to get in touch with Nick, could you please try. We need to reach more Nasioc members. We also need an official endorsement from Nasioc before this can take a step foreward.
If there are any bright ideas please share them.
Thanks once again.
Jeff B
I just wanted to give an update.
I have yet to get a reply to the emails that I have sent to Nick (Nasioc Webmaster) to see if he would officially endorse this effort. I know he is checking the boards, but I don't understand why he has not responded. If any of you know a better way to get in touch with Nick, could you please try. We need to reach more Nasioc members. We also need an official endorsement from Nasioc before this can take a step foreward.
If there are any bright ideas please share them.
Thanks once again.
Jeff B
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 01:27 PM |
Okay, I'm an idea guy. So don't ask me to set this up.
Is there any way that something could be set up through a PayPal type service where we could go and register our commitment for X dollars with the agreement that the money isn't charged until certain goals are met?
That way:
-- no one has to manually keep track of all of the donors
-- there is a clear set of goals that have to be met in order for the money to be billed to the donors
-- if everything falls through, no one gets billed
Is there any way that something could be set up through a PayPal type service where we could go and register our commitment for X dollars with the agreement that the money isn't charged until certain goals are met?
That way:
-- no one has to manually keep track of all of the donors
-- there is a clear set of goals that have to be met in order for the money to be billed to the donors
-- if everything falls through, no one gets billed
| buzz313th | 12-30-2004 01:33 PM |
Yes ... that is a great idea. Only first we need to somehow get more exposure for this thread. Before we can goto accepting money, we would need more support than what we have now. To set up a "Fund Account" right now would be premature. The support we have so far is nice, but to be realistic, we need much more.
Thanks for your constructive comment
Jeff B
Thanks for your constructive comment
Jeff B
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 02:06 PM |
[QUOTE=buzz313th]Yes ... that is a great idea. Only first we need to somehow get more exposure for this thread. Before we can goto accepting money, we would need more support than what we have now. To set up a "Fund Account" right now would be premature. The support we have so far is nice, but to be realistic, we need much more.
Thanks for your constructive comment
Jeff B[/QUOTE]
Okay, here's the thing. Someone will have to step up an show some true organizational skills, commitment and effort in order for this to get off the ground. Doesn't matter if that's you or Gary or M or whoever, if that person is truly commited, he should come up with a real plan, present it to Nick and make it look professional. That person should take the risk with the understanding that, if the goals are reached, he will take a portion of the proceeds (as a fixed dollar figure) to cover his commitment. If the goals are not met, it's a business loss and is tax deductable.
You can collect all the email addresses you want but, given the sheer number of people you need to track and the length of time it may take to reach the goal, you need a more efficient and professional way. If there is an online service that can do this for you, it will not only put a professional face on the effort but will provide a more controlled way to get dollar commitments from people.
Services like PayPal work off a percentage. I'm sure they'd be interested in a venture like this. If they don't already offer a specific service like this, they might be willing to work with you. I'd look into it and find out if they'll help. Then go from there.
Someone needs to move past this "toe in the water" scheme of collecting email addresses and jump in with both feet.
Edit: BTW, you missed my point. If the service is set up correctly, your not collecting money, just pledges. The pledges aren't actually collected until the goals are met.
Edit 2: Also, a service like this takes the payment info so that, when the time comes, the person is billed automatically. This will reduce losses from people that have a last minute change of heart. The only way out would be by closing the bank/credit account from which the funds would actually be drawn. There might be a few of those, but not as many as would ignore the email they get a year from now saying, "Remember last year when you promised to give us $10 to start a Subaru race team? Can you please send us that check now? Thanks so much and have a nice day." I'm willing to bet that nearly half of those will go in the circular file cabinet.
Thanks for your constructive comment
Jeff B[/QUOTE]
Okay, here's the thing. Someone will have to step up an show some true organizational skills, commitment and effort in order for this to get off the ground. Doesn't matter if that's you or Gary or M or whoever, if that person is truly commited, he should come up with a real plan, present it to Nick and make it look professional. That person should take the risk with the understanding that, if the goals are reached, he will take a portion of the proceeds (as a fixed dollar figure) to cover his commitment. If the goals are not met, it's a business loss and is tax deductable.
You can collect all the email addresses you want but, given the sheer number of people you need to track and the length of time it may take to reach the goal, you need a more efficient and professional way. If there is an online service that can do this for you, it will not only put a professional face on the effort but will provide a more controlled way to get dollar commitments from people.
Services like PayPal work off a percentage. I'm sure they'd be interested in a venture like this. If they don't already offer a specific service like this, they might be willing to work with you. I'd look into it and find out if they'll help. Then go from there.
Someone needs to move past this "toe in the water" scheme of collecting email addresses and jump in with both feet.
Edit: BTW, you missed my point. If the service is set up correctly, your not collecting money, just pledges. The pledges aren't actually collected until the goals are met.
Edit 2: Also, a service like this takes the payment info so that, when the time comes, the person is billed automatically. This will reduce losses from people that have a last minute change of heart. The only way out would be by closing the bank/credit account from which the funds would actually be drawn. There might be a few of those, but not as many as would ignore the email they get a year from now saying, "Remember last year when you promised to give us $10 to start a Subaru race team? Can you please send us that check now? Thanks so much and have a nice day." I'm willing to bet that nearly half of those will go in the circular file cabinet.
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 02:10 PM |
More ideas:
For incentives, I think you could easily do something like:
< $10 gets you a pit pass for all events
$10 - 19.99 gets you all of the above plus a key fob or sticker (something cheap)
$20 - 49.99 gets you all of the above plus a $3 gift of some sort
$50 - 99.99 gets you all of the above plus a T-shirt or hat
etc.
$1000 > should be putting you into sponsor territory. Sticker on the car or something.
$5000 > and Gary has to wear your hat on TV :D
For incentives, I think you could easily do something like:
< $10 gets you a pit pass for all events
$10 - 19.99 gets you all of the above plus a key fob or sticker (something cheap)
$20 - 49.99 gets you all of the above plus a $3 gift of some sort
$50 - 99.99 gets you all of the above plus a T-shirt or hat
etc.
$1000 > should be putting you into sponsor territory. Sticker on the car or something.
$5000 > and Gary has to wear your hat on TV :D
| jslegacy | 12-30-2004 02:17 PM |
[QUOTE=ITWRX4ME]< $10 gets you a pit pass for all events
[/QUOTE]
that will definately be a problem atleast in the Grand-Am series. I am working with a team this season doing PR stuff and photography and they have to pay 350 a year to get me into every race or individually it costs between 100-200 per race.
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.
[/QUOTE]
that will definately be a problem atleast in the Grand-Am series. I am working with a team this season doing PR stuff and photography and they have to pay 350 a year to get me into every race or individually it costs between 100-200 per race.
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 12-30-2004 02:42 PM |
Hello,
Let me say that there have been a lot of good ideas posted here. It's amazing how enthusiastic NASIOC folks can be. Thank you guys for your interest in this thread! Keep the ideas flowing, please.
ITWRX4ME, I think the reason this is a wetting-the-feet poll, only, instead of a real organized effort, is that there really needs to be some guage of interest. Jeff and others have already drummed up a decent start to the interest, but this poll is currently (91 respondants) several orders of magnitude smaller than it would need to be before this became a viable option.
Basically, 91 people showing interest is cool, several hundred people would be interesting, and the eventual goal will have to be in the thousands, or perhaps even ten-thousand or more people.
It doesn't make sense to require a commitment from people (a pledge, as you called it) until we see that we can at least get a few hundred people to say they're interested. At that point, perhaps getting a commitment would be good, and if we lose half of the first few hundred (from your example), but gain a few thousand, everything is good.
It's a risk to lose some of the initial folks, but it's probably a bigger risk to force people to commit to something before they see how much general interest there is, regardless of whether that committal really contains no obligation if there is no interest. People are always more hesitant when it means giving away bank information!
Like I wrote in the post that Jeff pasted above, if the NASIOC interest is high enough, Sheehan Motor Racing could come up with a plan to propose to the forum members and could help administer this process.
Joel Gat
Crew Chief
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url]
Let me say that there have been a lot of good ideas posted here. It's amazing how enthusiastic NASIOC folks can be. Thank you guys for your interest in this thread! Keep the ideas flowing, please.
ITWRX4ME, I think the reason this is a wetting-the-feet poll, only, instead of a real organized effort, is that there really needs to be some guage of interest. Jeff and others have already drummed up a decent start to the interest, but this poll is currently (91 respondants) several orders of magnitude smaller than it would need to be before this became a viable option.
Basically, 91 people showing interest is cool, several hundred people would be interesting, and the eventual goal will have to be in the thousands, or perhaps even ten-thousand or more people.
It doesn't make sense to require a commitment from people (a pledge, as you called it) until we see that we can at least get a few hundred people to say they're interested. At that point, perhaps getting a commitment would be good, and if we lose half of the first few hundred (from your example), but gain a few thousand, everything is good.
It's a risk to lose some of the initial folks, but it's probably a bigger risk to force people to commit to something before they see how much general interest there is, regardless of whether that committal really contains no obligation if there is no interest. People are always more hesitant when it means giving away bank information!
Like I wrote in the post that Jeff pasted above, if the NASIOC interest is high enough, Sheehan Motor Racing could come up with a plan to propose to the forum members and could help administer this process.
Joel Gat
Crew Chief
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url]
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-30-2004 02:53 PM |
why not start charging for membership? it is a big step but may be the only way to actually do it.
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 02:55 PM |
Again, Joel, I think you're missing the point. If the 'organizer' posts some clearly stated goals, asks for pledges with the understanding that [i]no one pays until the goals are met[/i], I think people will be happy. I know I would be.
For example, let's say the only goal is to reach a dollar figure of $400,000. The agreement presented to the donor is that the organizer will not bill the donor's bank/credit account until $400,000 in pledges has been reached or exceeded.
For example, let's say the only goal is to reach a dollar figure of $400,000. The agreement presented to the donor is that the organizer will not bill the donor's bank/credit account until $400,000 in pledges has been reached or exceeded.
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=jslegacy]that will definately be a problem atleast in the Grand-Am series. I am working with a team this season doing PR stuff and photography and they have to pay 350 a year to get me into every race or individually it costs between 100-200 per race.
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.[/QUOTE]
Okay. Scratch the pit pass idea. :)
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.[/QUOTE]
Okay. Scratch the pit pass idea. :)
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