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New track coming to NJ. Looks like it will actually happen. part 1

mav1c 01-11-2007 02:36 PM

New track coming to NJ. Looks like it will actually happen.
Don't know if it's old news, but the key bill passed to make the [url="http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/"]Thunderbolt Raceway / NJ Motorsports Park[/url] a real possibility. Let's hope we''ll have another nice track in a couple years.

[url]http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/[/url]
cooleyjb 01-11-2007 02:49 PM

I heard it was the same people who run VIR that are going to run this.
mav1c 01-11-2007 02:59 PM

From the website...

[quote]New Jersey Motorsports Park (NJMP), LLC was formed to develop, own and operate the Motorsports Park resort facility. The majority principals and co-managers of the company are Harvey Siegel and Lee Brahin. Both have experience in commercial real estate development and are New Jersey residents. Mr. Siegel is the owner of the Virginia International Raceway (VIR), the VIR Motorsport Country Club and Resort and the VIR Raceplex Industrial Park. He conducted the renovation of that historic complex which is now considered one of the nation's premier road courses. Lee Brahin is the operating principal of Brahin Properties, Inc., Brahin Management Corporation and Commercial Property Associates, Inc. The combined companies specialize in the development, management, acquisition, financing and brokerage of Commercial properties. The current Brahin organization portfolio exceeds 2.5 million square feet and has a value in excess of $100,000,000 with properties in six states.
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AUTOwrXER 01-11-2007 03:13 PM

Well it seems well funded in any event. Hopefully their experience (and connections) in real estate development will help make this a reality.
Patrick Olsen 01-11-2007 05:18 PM

I was under the impression that it was already a go and would potentially be open in 2007. I guess there was more legal wrangling to work through.

Pat
mav1c 01-11-2007 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;16630622]I was under the impression that it was already a go and would potentially be open in 2007. I guess there was more legal wrangling to work through.

Pat[/QUOTE]

I think this last bill being passed was what they were waiting for. Site says they should be open for events in 2008.
Patrick Olsen 01-11-2007 10:21 PM

Probably just in time for the Navy to move me out West somewhere. :(
Scoobie Doogie 01-12-2007 12:24 AM

Pat,

How's Newport? Do you think you'll make any DC Series races or the Scooby Challenge in DC this year? Hope all is well.

Dave Mac
Daishi00 01-12-2007 01:11 PM

Nice!!! AC is only two hours from me.
leecea 01-12-2007 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie;16635611]Pat,

How's Newport? Do you think you'll make any DC Series races or the Scooby Challenge in DC this year? Hope all is well.

Dave Mac[/QUOTE]

The 2007 Subaru Challenge is in DC? At FedX? Wow.
splurta 01-20-2007 05:10 PM

[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;16634247]Probably just in time for the Navy to move me out West somewhere. :([/QUOTE]

And you would be dissapointed to go out West as far as track quality and availability is concerned? The north-east seems to have one of the poorest selection of tracks in the country, by major region (Watkins Glen and the Canadian tracks as seemingly the only good bets, since VIR is really Mid-Atlantic/South). California offers a ton of great options by comparison.
Patrick Olsen 01-20-2007 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=splurta;16743760]And you would be dissapointed to go out West as far as track quality and availability is concerned? The north-east seems to have one of the poorest selection of tracks in the country, by major region (Watkins Glen and the Canadian tracks as seemingly the only good bets, since VIR is really Mid-Atlantic/South).[/quote]
I never said I was in the best spot right now, but I moved here from the Mid-Atlantic area, where I had easy access to a number of tracks. It was 90mi to 3 tracks at Summit Point, ~275mi to VIR, 200mi to Pocono, just under 300mi to BeaveRun, 430mi to Mid-Ohio, just under 300mi to Watkins Glen, and just over 300mi to Lime Rock. The new place in NJ would be only ~120mi from my house in MD, so that's just gravy. From where I am now I'm a lot closer to Lime Rock, of course, and to NHIS in Loudon, NH, and still not too far to Summit Point, the Glen, BeaveRun, VIR, etc to make a weekend trip. Oh, and add in Mosport and Mont Tremblant, too.

[quote=splurta]California offers a ton of great options by comparison.[/QUOTE]
Compare a map of California to a map of the East Coast and you'll find that all those California tracks are spread out just as much. The only possible place I might get stationed would be San Diego, which puts me nearly 3hrs from the nearest tracks (Willow and Streets of Willow). Buttonwillow's 250 miles, Spring Mountain (or whatever it's called now) is 300+ miles, Laguna Seca's almost 450 miles away, and Thunderhill is nearly 600mi. Oh, and most of those are in the desert so they're miserable (at least, that's my experience). :)

Basically, make a 600mi circle around either my current location or my house in MD and there are more tracks than there would be 600mi from San Diego. So I guess I don't see your logic.

Pat
splurta 01-21-2007 04:53 PM

Ah, I see. I agree, a Mid-atlantic location definitely makes life easier. Sorry if I sounded a bit aggresive in my post (need to use smilies more) I guess I am just dis-satisfied with the offerings in New England, and also the relatively short season. :)
Paisan 02-04-2007 10:53 PM

Can't wait for this track to be done. PDA/NASA-NE has a few dates already once it's done. Should be good fun.

-mike
Butt Dyno 02-05-2007 08:06 AM

I just found out about this two days ago and I'm pretty excited. I'll be movin' back to Tri-State in August 2008 and it'll be super nice to have something good be so close. Even where I am now, it's probably not that much further than VIR... I can get to Philadelphia in 3 hrs.

john
mav1c 02-05-2007 08:19 AM

I mapped it and it's definitely closer than VIR. About 175 miles vs. about 240 to VIR.
Dr. WOT 02-05-2007 10:29 AM

100mi for me, great news! :)
schaklos 10-03-2007 07:19 PM

From a SpeedTV.com article about Grand-Am's 2008 schedule:

[quote]Additionally, Grand-Am officials are currently in talks with the under-construction New Jersey Motorsports Park in Millville, New Jersey about a late summer race, pending the completion of the facility�s construction. [/quote]

that would rock!
waktasz 10-03-2007 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=ButtDyno;16933507]I just found out about this two days ago and I'm pretty excited. I'll be movin' back to Tri-State in August 2008 and it'll be super nice to have something good be so close. Even where I am now, it's probably not that much further than VIR... I can get to Philadelphia in 3 hrs.

john[/QUOTE]

Where to?
Butt Dyno 10-04-2007 06:34 AM

[QUOTE=waktasz;19581089]Where to?[/QUOTE]Dunno yet, but something reasonably close to Philadelphia, since that is where both my wife and I will be commuting to.
pjhe 10-04-2007 07:16 AM

dave i'll have to introduce you to my connections at USRT and rallispec
Indocti Discant 10-04-2007 08:49 AM

what about the road course at englishtown?
caloybakalboy 10-04-2007 09:16 AM

I'm looking forward to this. I only live about 10 mins away from this site. This very same site has an airfield which docked fighter planes from world war II.
speednby 10-04-2007 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=ButtDyno;19585086]Dunno yet, but something reasonably close to Philadelphia, since that is where both my wife and I will be commuting to.[/QUOTE]

You should look into South Jersey towns near the Betsy Ross bridge (Cinnaminson, Riverton, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Maple Shade, Marlton). I've been in this area for about 18 years, and I have found it to be a very easy commute to Philly. Lot's of great shopping nearby. If you autocross, you are within a one hour drive to at least five different sites hosted by three different SCCA regions. About an hour to the shore. And only about an hour to the New Jersey Motorsports Park in Millville!
Butt Dyno 10-04-2007 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=speednby;19588079]You should look into South Jersey towns near the Betsy Ross bridge (Cinnaminson, Riverton, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Maple Shade, Marlton). I've been in this area for about 18 years, and I have found it to be a very easy commute to Philly. Lot's of great shopping nearby. If you autocross, you are within a one hour drive to at least five different sites hosted by three different SCCA regions. About an hour to the shore. And only about an hour to the New Jersey Motorsports Park in Millville![/QUOTE]I'm morally opposed to NJ in general but it sounds like it is worth looking at.

[QUOTE=pjhe;19585167]dave i'll have to introduce you to my connections at USRT and rallispec[/QUOTE]Who's Dave?
ptclaus98 10-04-2007 01:08 PM

Why'd they cut it in half?
mav1c 10-04-2007 01:47 PM

Cut what in half?
ptclaus98 10-04-2007 01:54 PM

The track. The north and south portions were connected in the original plans. They actually made a great track.
chkltcow 10-04-2007 02:12 PM

Yeah, it does seem kind of odd. VIR has can have two separate tracks that can be joined into one longer one, but it looks like this is just two completely separate tracks.

[url]http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/html/total_track_layout.html[/url]
mav1c 10-04-2007 05:19 PM

Oh yeah. I hadn't seen that. That's a bummer.
REX8 10-04-2007 06:04 PM

That the hell did they do that for?

Doesn't that SEVERELY limit their ability to get big, professional events?
spazegun2213 10-05-2007 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=REX8;19592529]That the hell did they do that for?

Doesn't that SEVERELY limit their ability to get big, professional events?[/QUOTE]

looks like it. but then again if its going to become more of a country club than a race track, they probably dont care.
CTKAG 10-05-2007 09:55 AM

Looks like the upper track is the country club track and the other track will be the 'race' track, probably will work well, like Summit Point with multiple tracks on the same facility.
mav1c 10-05-2007 09:59 AM

We'll see how it is. Maybe I missed it, but does it say how long each track is? When there was the potential for a 4+ mile track I was really excited. Now...not so much.
REX8 10-05-2007 10:12 AM

[QUOTE=CTKAG;19598944]Looks like the upper track is the country club track and the other track will be the 'race' track, probably will work well, like Summit Point with multiple tracks on the same facility.[/QUOTE]

They could have ran them as two tracks 99% of the time. But have the big one there for a limited number of small events, and/or certainly have it there to host big named series...


Summit is cool with multiple tracks...but we weren't exactly expecting this thing to be another Summit. More like a bigger, newer VIR with more facilities and configurations.

Now...not so much...
ptclaus98 10-05-2007 01:14 PM

The long one was amazing. Better than a lot of tracks I'd seen.
secu256 10-05-2007 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=REX8;19592529]That the hell did they do that for?

Doesn't that SEVERELY limit their ability to get big, professional events?[/QUOTE]

Rumors are around about Grand-Am being there next year.
[url]http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?template=magazine&mag_id=14341[/url]

Someone posted in the Grand-Am forums that it is on the draft schedule. The longer course is still 2.25 miles, while it isn't 4+ it still isn't super short either.
Patrick Olsen 10-06-2007 04:10 PM

[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;16634247]Probably just in time for the Navy to move me out West somewhere. :([/QUOTE]
I was right - I'll be heading to Bangor, WA early next year.

[QUOTE=owace;19585523]what about the road course at englishtown?[/QUOTE]
Small, tight, not safe for anything really. I'm not sure why they bothered to build it.
ptclaus98 10-06-2007 04:36 PM

[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;19610691]I was right - I'll be heading to Bangor, WA early next year.


Small, tight, [B]not safe for anything really[/B]. I'm not sure why they bothered to build it.[/QUOTE]

Even karts?
REX8 10-06-2007 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=secu256;19605468]Rumors are around about Grand-Am being there next year.
[url]http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?template=magazine&mag_id=14341[/url]

Someone posted in the Grand-Am forums that it is on the draft schedule. The longer course is still 2.25 miles, while it isn't 4+ it still isn't super short either.[/QUOTE]

I thought that was when they had the full-course still in the works.

I SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY doubt Grand-Am will be racing on a 2.25 mile course.

I'd just like to hear why they changed it...that's pretty damn short compared to a VIR caliber track...they turned what looked like a premier place into, well, I don't know what to think of it now. They can't accommodate the big events, and they can't deliver an experience that a larger layout brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, its an hour from me, I'll be there...but I wanted VIR-full....as did everyone.
Patrick Olsen 10-06-2007 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19610860]Even karts?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I thought this was a car forum. :rolleyes: It's not safe for HPDE or actual racing. Maybe time trials, with one car on the track at a time?
ptclaus98 10-07-2007 03:18 AM

Damn dude, I was just asking. :rolleyes:
jersey1320guy 10-07-2007 10:59 AM

Did I not read close enough or is this facility only road courses? Im guessing theres not going to be a drag strip. With this big of an investment and that much land Im surprised they wouldnt have drag racing.
REX8 10-07-2007 04:20 PM

[QUOTE=jersey1320guy;19615348]Did I not read close enough or is this facility only road courses? Im guessing theres not going to be a drag strip. With this big of an investment and that much land Im surprised they wouldnt have drag racing.[/QUOTE]

There is plans for karting and an oval, I don't remember about a strip. I'd think they'd have one too....too close to Atco?
kfoote 10-08-2007 01:52 PM

It is on the official 2008 Grand-Am Rolex schedule with a date of "TBA", but likely to be in early September. That will be the real test if it actually happens or not.

2.25 mi is plently long for Rolex. Many other tracks currently on the schedule are shorter than that.

Update: The official date is now listed as August 31, 2008 on Grand-Am's site.
pjhe 10-08-2007 03:44 PM

i really like the layout of the south course, if you connect them you'd likely loose the north east corner of the south course.

so you guys can have your connected course, i just want to run the south one :)
mav1c 10-08-2007 04:20 PM

Yeah, the tracks look pretty good. Just disappointed that it's not longer. I like Summit and that's only 2 miles, so 2.25 should be OK. If the facilities are as nice as they're saying they're going to be, that will help too. :)
KNS Brakes 01-03-2008 02:10 PM

They started paving it - and the 08 schedule is pretty dang full of events..

[IMG]http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Paving32581.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Paving32571.jpg[/IMG]
2slow2curious 01-03-2008 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=Paisan;16930695]Can't wait for this track to be done. PDA/NASA-NE has a few dates already once it's done. Should be good fun.

-mike[/QUOTE]

Already signed up.
Track looks plenty long for HPDE and thats all i care about.
WebMasterP 01-03-2008 06:13 PM

[QUOTE=splurta;16743760]And you would be dissapointed to go out West as far as track quality and availability is concerned? The north-east seems to have one of the poorest selection of tracks in the country, by major region (Watkins Glen and the Canadian tracks as seemingly the only good bets, since VIR is really Mid-Atlantic/South). California offers a ton of great options by comparison.[/QUOTE]

But if he were to get moved to Washington, he'd be screwed.

EDIT, oops, 2nd page he responded.

[quote='Patrick Olsen']I was right - I'll be heading to Bangor, WA early next year.[/quote]

Yeah, you're screwed. We have Pacific, which has almost 0 run-off, so if you make a mistake you're in a hill side. Or you can drive really far to Portland. We have Bremerton, but the course is a mile long and it's, well, mostly straight.
cuzzy 01-03-2008 11:28 PM

racing
where can i track my sti
eastcoastbumps 01-04-2008 01:07 AM

[QUOTE=cuzzy;20591544]where can i track my sti[/QUOTE]

It would be great if we knew where you were so we could give you suggestions...
mav1c 01-04-2008 06:46 AM

Yes. Fill out your Region, location, and vehicle info.

[QUOTE=cuzzy;20591544]where can i track my sti[/QUOTE]
mav1c 02-20-2008 11:41 AM

Nice little News clip from the track on the main site. 15 degree banking in that long corner on Lightning! This place is sounding better and better. Can't wait to run it in October.

[url]http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/[/url]
StanBo_IFX 02-20-2008 02:36 PM

It would be nice if they had some rallycross areas set aside....
mav1c 02-20-2008 03:01 PM

Yeah, looking at the design plan/layout, there's really no room for any sort of rallycross course. :(
Carisma 02-20-2008 09:48 PM

God I can't wait for this to be done. :)

I might even be living closer by that time too with a new car. :):):):)
REX8 08-12-2008 11:35 AM

Anyone run it yet?

I've been on Lightening...and headed to Thunderbolt in September.

Thoughts, opinions, "DE winning" lap times? :lol:
mav1c 08-12-2008 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=REX8;23300746]Anyone run it yet?

I've been on Lightening...and headed to Thunderbolt in September.

Thoughts, opinions, "DE winning" lap times? :lol:[/QUOTE]

What event are you running in Spetember? I am thinking about going sometime in September or October.
REX8 08-12-2008 12:36 PM

[QUOTE=mav1c;23300821]What event are you running in Spetember? I am thinking about going sometime in September or October.[/QUOTE]

I'm sticking with the local PCA's (they're cheaper and nicely run). I'm doing a single day with Reisentotter PCA (RTR-PCA.org) on September 29th. Sign up on motorsports reg (opened last night). They also have some 2 and 3 day events coming up in October.

Between them and Shattenbaum, they have a few events at NJMP through the rest of the fall as well.

Normally costs about $270 for a 2-day event.

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