| mav1c | 08-12-2008 01:55 PM |
Ya know, I never joined PCA (I assume you have to join) because I've seen a lot of their events run as "Porsche Only". Maybe I'll try it.
| REX8 | 08-12-2008 02:02 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23302755]Ya know, I never joined PCA (I assume you have to join) because I've seen a lot of their events run as "Porsche Only". Maybe I'll try it.[/QUOTE]
Nope, not a PCA member. RTR and Schattenbaum don ot require a PCA membership.
Nope, not a PCA member. RTR and Schattenbaum don ot require a PCA membership.
| mav1c | 08-12-2008 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23302886]Nope, not a PCA member. RTR and Schattenbaum don ot require a PCA membership.[/QUOTE]
What's RTR? Riesent�ter?
What's RTR? Riesent�ter?
| REX8 | 08-12-2008 03:11 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23303028]What's RTR? Riesent�ter?[/QUOTE]
Yes, and nice job on the spelling and correct use of the "�". You're a better man than I.
RTR uses motorsportsreg and Schattenbaum uses their website and a mail-in form.
Yes, and nice job on the spelling and correct use of the "�". You're a better man than I.
RTR uses motorsportsreg and Schattenbaum uses their website and a mail-in form.
| mav1c | 08-12-2008 03:16 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23303852]Yes, and nice job on the spelling and correct use of the "�". You're a better man than I.
RTR uses motorsportsreg and Schattenbaum uses their website and a mail-in form.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. As for the "�"...cut & paste is your friend. :)
RTR uses motorsportsreg and Schattenbaum uses their website and a mail-in form.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. As for the "�"...cut & paste is your friend. :)
| Zephyr | 08-12-2008 04:51 PM |
I've raced on Lightning. It is a nice course. Had to bail on my chance to HPDE on Thunder due to really bad timing. I'll be back at the end of this month racing again and then later in the season. Definately worth the wait for this track to come around. It is way into South Jersey though and a lot further then I had anticipated. Even still I don't have to leave Jersey to go racing anymore :)
| mav1c | 08-12-2008 05:30 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23301610]I'm sticking with the local PCA's (they're cheaper and nicely run). I'm doing a single day with Reisentotter PCA (RTR-PCA.org) on September 29th. Sign up on motorsports reg (opened last night). They also have some 2 and 3 day events coming up in October.
Between them and Shattenbaum, they have a few events at NJMP through the rest of the fall as well.
Normally costs about $270 for a 2-day event.[/QUOTE]
I want to do that same event (September 29th with Reisentotter), but I don't see anywhere to register.
Between them and Shattenbaum, they have a few events at NJMP through the rest of the fall as well.
Normally costs about $270 for a 2-day event.[/QUOTE]
I want to do that same event (September 29th with Reisentotter), but I don't see anywhere to register.
| REX8 | 08-12-2008 07:21 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23305946]I want to do that same event (September 29th with Reisentotter), but I don't see anywhere to register.[/QUOTE]
If you're on motorsports reg, just go to the full list of events, its on there (last day on September 29), click the sign-up link.
If you're on motorsports reg, just go to the full list of events, its on there (last day on September 29), click the sign-up link.
| mav1c | 08-13-2008 10:20 AM |
I don't know what's up, but when I go to [url]www.motorsportsreg.com[/url], the last event in September is a C.A.R.T. event at Pocono on the 29th. There's nothing for the Reisentotter event at Thunderbolt. :(
| REX8 | 08-13-2008 10:22 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23313432]I don't know what's up, but when I go to [url]www.motorsportsreg.com[/url], the last event in September is a C.A.R.T. event at Pocono on the 29th. There's nothing for the Reisentotter event at Thunderbolt. :([/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/calendar[/url]
It's not on there for you?
I'm not even signed in and it shows up, right after CART.
***Click here***
[url]http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/BD1B8B94-DAA5-DA85-B121DE818177F01E[/url]
[url]http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/calendar[/url]
It's not on there for you?
I'm not even signed in and it shows up, right after CART.
***Click here***
[url]http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/BD1B8B94-DAA5-DA85-B121DE818177F01E[/url]
| mav1c | 08-13-2008 10:34 AM |
Yeah, if I don't sign-in, I see it. Sign it, not there. Must be something with my profile.
| REX8 | 08-13-2008 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23313603]Yeah, if I don't sign-in, I see it. Sign it, not there. Must be something with my profile.[/QUOTE]
If you do sign up and get in, let me know. I've been waiting 2 days and no response yet. Usually they are fast.
If you do sign up and get in, let me know. I've been waiting 2 days and no response yet. Usually they are fast.
| mav1c | 08-13-2008 11:13 AM |
Yeah. It's look like I need to get someone to send them an email saying I'm qualified to run the the Advanced group. And it looks like a PITA to get the car teched.
| REX8 | 08-13-2008 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23314057]Yeah. It's look like I need to get someone to send them an email saying I'm qualified to run the the Advanced group. And it looks like a PITA to get the car teched.[/QUOTE]
Off the record...you can just print the tech form and sign it (because you live outside the 25 mile zone). But yes, they do sometimes require some type of verification of run group. The first time I registered, they didn't ask for anything. The first time my brother did, they asked.
They are pretty uptight about it, and are under the impression that their run groups are faster than other clubs. Which is an absolute joke.
A quick email to Chris or someone else at nasa would take care of that pretty quickly I suppose.
Off the record...you can just print the tech form and sign it (because you live outside the 25 mile zone). But yes, they do sometimes require some type of verification of run group. The first time I registered, they didn't ask for anything. The first time my brother did, they asked.
They are pretty uptight about it, and are under the impression that their run groups are faster than other clubs. Which is an absolute joke.
A quick email to Chris or someone else at nasa would take care of that pretty quickly I suppose.
| sebtarta | 08-13-2008 01:12 PM |
I have a feeling that the ALMS will not be back to LRP next year :(
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP
| mav1c | 08-13-2008 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE=sebtarta;23315991]I have a feeling that the ALMS will not be back to LRP next year :(
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't surprise me after the crash fest, but I'd feel bad for LRP after they just did all the upgrades.
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't surprise me after the crash fest, but I'd feel bad for LRP after they just did all the upgrades.
| moss | 08-13-2008 01:58 PM |
holy hell...I just saw this thread pop up. Thats close as hell... to me This + Summit Point yeaah :banana:
Glad I bought a Miata now !
Glad I bought a Miata now !
| sebtarta | 08-13-2008 02:54 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23316384]It wouldn't surprise me after the crash fest, but I'd feel bad for LRP after they just did all the upgrades.[/QUOTE]
yes they did the upgrades but they did not let the asphalt settle down. Lots of the ALMS drivers were complaining that the asphalt was ripping out coming out of the corners etc.
For me they did a lousy(sp?) job at LRP...
yes they did the upgrades but they did not let the asphalt settle down. Lots of the ALMS drivers were complaining that the asphalt was ripping out coming out of the corners etc.
For me they did a lousy(sp?) job at LRP...
| REX8 | 08-13-2008 03:16 PM |
[QUOTE=sebtarta;23317747]yes they did the upgrades but they did not let the asphalt settle down. Lots of the ALMS drivers were complaining that the asphalt was ripping out coming out of the corners etc.
For me they did a lousy(sp?) job at LRP...[/QUOTE]
Try Summit Main, that'll change your mind!
For me they did a lousy(sp?) job at LRP...[/QUOTE]
Try Summit Main, that'll change your mind!
| TreyV | 08-13-2008 05:18 PM |
How is Lightening? Impressions running it in a STI? I'm there 8/26 with SCDA.
| REX8 | 08-13-2008 05:38 PM |
[QUOTE=TreyV;23319901]How is Lightening? Impressions running it in a STI? I'm there 8/26 with SCDA.[/QUOTE]
Fairly fun. The videos don't do the elevation changes justice, that's perhaps the best part. Turn 1 is a gutsy turn, with a lot of time to be made up through the middle of the corner. Turn 5 (I think, the uphill right hander taking you on the bridge straight) is also a blast, especially in a higher powered car.
Light bulb is fun at first, but once you figure it out, it really just becomes a reminder that your tires hate you. Exit speeds (on the outside curbing) were about 97-99 MPH for me, so it is exciting.
I might compare it to summit main for fun, maybe one or two more entertaining turns, but it does lack something like the shoot, which really gets you puckered trying to push through it.
Fairly fun. The videos don't do the elevation changes justice, that's perhaps the best part. Turn 1 is a gutsy turn, with a lot of time to be made up through the middle of the corner. Turn 5 (I think, the uphill right hander taking you on the bridge straight) is also a blast, especially in a higher powered car.
Light bulb is fun at first, but once you figure it out, it really just becomes a reminder that your tires hate you. Exit speeds (on the outside curbing) were about 97-99 MPH for me, so it is exciting.
I might compare it to summit main for fun, maybe one or two more entertaining turns, but it does lack something like the shoot, which really gets you puckered trying to push through it.
| Patrick Olsen | 08-13-2008 08:12 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23302755]Ya know, I never joined PCA (I assume you have to join) because I've seen a lot of their events run as "Porsche Only". Maybe I'll try it.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the PCA region, some are real sticklers about it. I joined a couple/few years ago using an old 911 VIN from a guy I knew out in Hawaii who wasn't a PCA member and didn't care to be. :p In the end I never got to make use of the membership, as none of the events I was thinking I would attend panned out, and then the Navy moved me (again). :lol:
Depends on the PCA region, some are real sticklers about it. I joined a couple/few years ago using an old 911 VIN from a guy I knew out in Hawaii who wasn't a PCA member and didn't care to be. :p In the end I never got to make use of the membership, as none of the events I was thinking I would attend panned out, and then the Navy moved me (again). :lol:
| trailertravis13 | 08-13-2008 10:01 PM |
[quote=sebtarta;23315991]I have a feeling that the ALMS will not be back to LRP next year :(
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP[/quote]
I'm hoping ALMS comes here, although it would suck to see LRP go after their overhaul even though it's a 3.5 hour drive up there compared to the 1 hour drive to NJMP for me.
I might be wrong but I thought I remember something about some ALMS execs being at the ground breaking last year which kind of tipped people off that they would like to come there sometime in the future.
I'm looking forward to checking the track out when I go watch the Daytona Rolex Series race on Labor Day weekend.
I heard people talking about this track maybe replacing LRP[/quote]
I'm hoping ALMS comes here, although it would suck to see LRP go after their overhaul even though it's a 3.5 hour drive up there compared to the 1 hour drive to NJMP for me.
I might be wrong but I thought I remember something about some ALMS execs being at the ground breaking last year which kind of tipped people off that they would like to come there sometime in the future.
I'm looking forward to checking the track out when I go watch the Daytona Rolex Series race on Labor Day weekend.
| mav1c | 08-18-2008 03:18 PM |
Some In-Car videos from Thunderbolt are starting to pop up on YouTube.
This one is good because he labels the turns through the video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8md1kxY2M&feature=related[/url]
In an '08 STI:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-OQ7fpniM&feature=related[/url]
This one is good because he labels the turns through the video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8md1kxY2M&feature=related[/url]
In an '08 STI:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-OQ7fpniM&feature=related[/url]
| REX8 | 08-18-2008 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23372913]Some In-Car videos from Thunderbolt are srting to pop up on YouTube.
This one is good because he tells labels the turns through the video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8md1kxY2M&feature=related[/url]
In an '08 STI:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-OQ7fpniM&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
Lots of second gear work in that second vid. I wonder if that will be the case...
This one is good because he tells labels the turns through the video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8md1kxY2M&feature=related[/url]
In an '08 STI:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-OQ7fpniM&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
Lots of second gear work in that second vid. I wonder if that will be the case...
| speednby | 08-19-2008 10:27 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23373199]Lots of second gear work in that second vid. I wonder if that will be the case...[/QUOTE]
Uhmm... That's 4th, not 2nd....
:cool:
Uhmm... That's 4th, not 2nd....
:cool:
| speednby | 08-19-2008 10:29 PM |
Hey Everybody...
I know it's short notice, but NJR SCCA has decided to add three 20-minute PDX sessions for each of two run groups (novice & advanced) to their club race program this weekend on the Lightning Course at New Jersey Motorsports Park. If you've ever wanted an opportunity to try a track day, this is it!! I can tell you from first hand experience that the Lightning Course is an absolute blast to drive! And the best part is the price is only $150 bucks. The schedule is not quite set yet, but you can keep an eye on details here:
[URL="http://autox4u.com/autox4uforum/showthread.php?tid=113&page=1"]AutoX4U - NJMP PDX[/URL]
You will never get another opportunity to run on such a great track at such a great price!
Hope to see you all there!
Mike...
I know it's short notice, but NJR SCCA has decided to add three 20-minute PDX sessions for each of two run groups (novice & advanced) to their club race program this weekend on the Lightning Course at New Jersey Motorsports Park. If you've ever wanted an opportunity to try a track day, this is it!! I can tell you from first hand experience that the Lightning Course is an absolute blast to drive! And the best part is the price is only $150 bucks. The schedule is not quite set yet, but you can keep an eye on details here:
[URL="http://autox4u.com/autox4uforum/showthread.php?tid=113&page=1"]AutoX4U - NJMP PDX[/URL]
You will never get another opportunity to run on such a great track at such a great price!
Hope to see you all there!
Mike...
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:11 AM |
[QUOTE=speednby;23391701]Uhmm... That's 4th, not 2nd....
:cool:[/QUOTE]
Did you even watch the second video?
He clearly uses 2nd gear, more than once a lap. Watch again
51 seconds, 1:23, 2:43, etc.
See your eye doctor immediately. :lol:
:cool:[/QUOTE]
Did you even watch the second video?
He clearly uses 2nd gear, more than once a lap. Watch again
51 seconds, 1:23, 2:43, etc.
See your eye doctor immediately. :lol:
| mav1c | 08-20-2008 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23396905]Did you even watch the video?
He clearly uses 2nd gear, more than once a lap. Watch again
51 seconds, 1:23, 2:43, etc.
See your eye doctor immediately. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I think it's all 4th-5th-6th. He'd have to be going VERY slow to go down to 2nd. We're talking autox speeds here. I don't think the corners are close to slow enough to need 2nd, especially with the short gearing in an STI.
He clearly uses 2nd gear, more than once a lap. Watch again
51 seconds, 1:23, 2:43, etc.
See your eye doctor immediately. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I think it's all 4th-5th-6th. He'd have to be going VERY slow to go down to 2nd. We're talking autox speeds here. I don't think the corners are close to slow enough to need 2nd, especially with the short gearing in an STI.
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:19 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23396977]I think it's all 4th-5th-6th. He'd have to be going VERY slow to go down to 2nd.[/QUOTE]
Come on! Don't make me make an appointment for you too! :lol:
We are talking about the second video. He is clearly going to 2nd gear in the tight sections, with a QUICK shift back to 3rd. Look how slow he's going. Not even close to 4th.
He clearly pulls the lever into second, as opposed to 4th, in which he just pulls straight down from third. I seriously doubt we'll be running in 2nd, but for whatever reason, he certainly was. Clear as day.
You can watch him row 2 through 4th at the 1:40 ish mark
3:17, clear 2nd gear downshift, followed by 3rd at 3:32, then 4th.
Come on! Don't make me make an appointment for you too! :lol:
We are talking about the second video. He is clearly going to 2nd gear in the tight sections, with a QUICK shift back to 3rd. Look how slow he's going. Not even close to 4th.
He clearly pulls the lever into second, as opposed to 4th, in which he just pulls straight down from third. I seriously doubt we'll be running in 2nd, but for whatever reason, he certainly was. Clear as day.
You can watch him row 2 through 4th at the 1:40 ish mark
3:17, clear 2nd gear downshift, followed by 3rd at 3:32, then 4th.
| mav1c | 08-20-2008 11:23 AM |
We'll have to agree to disagree. Unless he's skipping gears and I'm missing it, looks more like 4th back to 5th. I just don't think the corners are [i]that[/i] slow. I don't think any of those corners are slower than anything on VIR or Summit, and I only go down to 3rd in 1 and 5 at Summit, and only occassionally go down to 3rd coming out of the Oak Tree at VIR.
At the 1:40 mark he's gaining speed onto the front stretch. He's rowing 4th -> 5th -> 6th. Do you really think he's staying in 4th all the way down the front straight?
At the 1:40 mark he's gaining speed onto the front stretch. He's rowing 4th -> 5th -> 6th. Do you really think he's staying in 4th all the way down the front straight?
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:27 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23397036]We'll have to agree to disagree. Unless he's skipping gears and I'm missing it, looks more like 4th back to 5th. I just don't think the corners are [i]that[/i] slow. I don't think any of those corners are slower than anything on VIR or Summit, and I only go down to 3rd in 1 and 5 at Summit, and only occassionally go down to 3rd coming out of the Oak Tree at VIR.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you. But that is not you driving. Can't you see him PULL the stick toward him?
Notice how in the 3-4 or 4-3 shifts he DOESN'T pull or push the stick side to side, just up and down, as he's not working against a return spring.
You're blowing my mind right now.
I'm with you. But that is not you driving. Can't you see him PULL the stick toward him?
Notice how in the 3-4 or 4-3 shifts he DOESN'T pull or push the stick side to side, just up and down, as he's not working against a return spring.
You're blowing my mind right now.
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:28 AM |
Does th shifter at 1:2X look like its in a 4th gear position to you? You own an sti dont you...I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. YOu know how tight the technical sections are, surely you don't think he's taking the 50ish MPH technical sections in 4th, and then making a quick upshift to 5th (presumable at 60 mph) up on exit? That's insane.
/rant.
/rant.
| mav1c | 08-20-2008 11:32 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23397089]You think he's driving through turn 1 in 5th gear???? :lol:
That's clearly 3rd he's in, not 5th. Clearly making that a second gear shift throughout the lap.
Does th shifter at 1:2X look like its in a 4th gear position to you? You own an sti dont you...
/rant.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Turn one in 5th. Turn 1 is a fast corner. Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
That's clearly 3rd he's in, not 5th. Clearly making that a second gear shift throughout the lap.
Does th shifter at 1:2X look like its in a 4th gear position to you? You own an sti dont you...
/rant.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Turn one in 5th. Turn 1 is a fast corner. Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:35 AM |
You must agree that the vid starts in 4th, as he reaches his hand up, contemplation a shift to 5th...
He then downshifts, only pushing forward only on the stick, indicating, again, the he has made a shift to 3rd, rather than to 5th, as he didn't have to hold the lever out, to the right.
Come on Mav (Goose voice) :disco:
He then downshifts, only pushing forward only on the stick, indicating, again, the he has made a shift to 3rd, rather than to 5th, as he didn't have to hold the lever out, to the right.
Come on Mav (Goose voice) :disco:
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23397147]Yes. Turn one in 5th. Turn 1 is a fast corner. Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]
What's 5th good for in an 08 STi? 140 ish?
Then explain why in the world he's running the bulk of the course in 5th and 6th gear. Just how fast do you think he's going? :lol:
He's toping out 5th gear all over the place? No, he's toping 3rd gear.
The technical section at thunderbolt is in the 50 mph range. How is it more likely that he's leaving it in 4th and 5th, rather than 2nd and 3rd. :confused:
Since when does the shift lever on an STi lean to the [B]LEFT[/B] in 5th and 6th gear?
^^^Ok, that's it, I'm done now....but seriously...^^^can you explain that? Perhaps he is just a bit slower than some people, rather than lapping the road course in excess of 140 mph at 5 different spots :lol: If he's well into 6th on the straight, how fast is that Elise going that trucks by him?
You think at :30 he's toping out 5th :head assplodes! :
Wow, I'm excited...:lol:
What's 5th good for in an 08 STi? 140 ish?
Then explain why in the world he's running the bulk of the course in 5th and 6th gear. Just how fast do you think he's going? :lol:
He's toping out 5th gear all over the place? No, he's toping 3rd gear.
The technical section at thunderbolt is in the 50 mph range. How is it more likely that he's leaving it in 4th and 5th, rather than 2nd and 3rd. :confused:
Since when does the shift lever on an STi lean to the [B]LEFT[/B] in 5th and 6th gear?
^^^Ok, that's it, I'm done now....but seriously...^^^can you explain that? Perhaps he is just a bit slower than some people, rather than lapping the road course in excess of 140 mph at 5 different spots :lol: If he's well into 6th on the straight, how fast is that Elise going that trucks by him?
You think at :30 he's toping out 5th :head assplodes! :
Wow, I'm excited...:lol:
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 11:40 AM |
consolidation is key!
Debate ending answer coming BTW: I asked him what gears he was using.
Debate ending answer coming BTW: I asked him what gears he was using.
| mav1c | 08-20-2008 12:03 PM |
Maybe he's just not running the gearing way up into redline. Short shifting.
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23397560]Maybe he's just not running the gearing way up into redline. Short shifting.[/QUOTE]
I'm just confused as to how, knowing that the technical section is about 50-60 mph (as posted by a few people), you think it more likely that this 22 year old kid isn't just a little bit slower through there than most people and therefore using 2nd gear...
and that your opinion is correct, which ignores the obvious tilt of the stick, assumes he's taking 50 mph turns in 4th quickly shifting into 5th gear, an assumes that he's grossly short shifting every gear on the entire track.
What motivation am I missing for you ignoring visual cues, and assuming the other points, rather than just accept that he's a bit slower than others might be?
In any case, I'm sure I'll get a response back shortly, so I can sleep tonight, and get you two the first appointment with an ophthalmologist.
runsandhides
I'm just confused as to how, knowing that the technical section is about 50-60 mph (as posted by a few people), you think it more likely that this 22 year old kid isn't just a little bit slower through there than most people and therefore using 2nd gear...
and that your opinion is correct, which ignores the obvious tilt of the stick, assumes he's taking 50 mph turns in 4th quickly shifting into 5th gear, an assumes that he's grossly short shifting every gear on the entire track.
What motivation am I missing for you ignoring visual cues, and assuming the other points, rather than just accept that he's a bit slower than others might be?
In any case, I'm sure I'll get a response back shortly, so I can sleep tonight, and get you two the first appointment with an ophthalmologist.
runsandhides
| REX8 | 08-20-2008 12:14 PM |
You still haven't explained what mods you need to do to an STi to get the lever to tilt LEFT in 5th and 6th gear.
| mav1c | 08-20-2008 12:15 PM |
True, maybe I'm just thinking what'd [i]I'd[/i] probably be doing. But I'd be very surprised if he's in 4th all the way down the front straight.
If you're right, then yes, he's very slow.
If you're right, then yes, he's very slow.
| speednby | 08-20-2008 09:59 PM |
Supps, entry form, and tech form now up on NNJR SCCA site. Here's a linky...
[URL="http://www.scca-nnjr.org/"]http://www.scca-nnjr.org/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.scca-nnjr.org/"]http://www.scca-nnjr.org/[/URL]
| mav1c | 08-21-2008 08:28 AM |
Ugh. The more I look at it, it seems like he is going down to 2nd. I just can't believe he's that slow. :(
| REX8 | 08-21-2008 09:07 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;23408935]Ugh. The more I look at it, it seems like he is going down to 2nd. I just can't believe he's that slow. :([/QUOTE]
Well, if he's on street tires, 55 mph or so in second, while REALLY up there, isn't horrible for those sections from what I've reading.
I think it really just comes down to him feathering the gas on the straights. Perhaps he doesn't have the brakes under him to keep his foot in it.
From what I hear, those sections will normally be third gear for sure though...
Well, if he's on street tires, 55 mph or so in second, while REALLY up there, isn't horrible for those sections from what I've reading.
I think it really just comes down to him feathering the gas on the straights. Perhaps he doesn't have the brakes under him to keep his foot in it.
From what I hear, those sections will normally be third gear for sure though...
| REX8 | 08-24-2008 07:43 PM |
Thank god, my sanity has been confirmed:
"abakun has sent you a message on YouTube:
Re: Your Thunderbolt Video
Yeah, I used 2nd gear in the slower sections, tried to hold 3rd earlier on in the day but it was just too slow, and cars would pull on me coming out of the turn because I wasn't making enough power at those speeds. Second just feels better overall - unless you drive a 'Vette :)"
"abakun has sent you a message on YouTube:
Re: Your Thunderbolt Video
Yeah, I used 2nd gear in the slower sections, tried to hold 3rd earlier on in the day but it was just too slow, and cars would pull on me coming out of the turn because I wasn't making enough power at those speeds. Second just feels better overall - unless you drive a 'Vette :)"
| mav1c | 08-25-2008 07:38 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8;23446033]Thank god, my sanity has been confirmed:
"abakun has sent you a message on YouTube:
Re: Your Thunderbolt Video
Yeah, I used 2nd gear in the slower sections, tried to hold 3rd earlier on in the day but it was just too slow, and cars would pull on me coming out of the turn because I wasn't making enough power at those speeds. Second just feels better overall - unless you drive a 'Vette :)"[/QUOTE]
Ouch. Then he's REALLY slow. :p
"abakun has sent you a message on YouTube:
Re: Your Thunderbolt Video
Yeah, I used 2nd gear in the slower sections, tried to hold 3rd earlier on in the day but it was just too slow, and cars would pull on me coming out of the turn because I wasn't making enough power at those speeds. Second just feels better overall - unless you drive a 'Vette :)"[/QUOTE]
Ouch. Then he's REALLY slow. :p
| KNS Brakes | 08-31-2008 02:06 PM |
Its a dust bowl!!
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 02:14 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXBrakes;23529579]Its a dust bowl!![/QUOTE]
They both are...I hope that gets better...
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/DSC_0349.jpg[/IMG]
^^^That's authentic NPMP dust right there...
And one for good measure...
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/DSC_0264.jpg[/IMG]
Are you watching the race? Did the drivers say they liked the track???
They both are...I hope that gets better...
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/DSC_0349.jpg[/IMG]
^^^That's authentic NPMP dust right there...
And one for good measure...
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/DSC_0264.jpg[/IMG]
Are you watching the race? Did the drivers say they liked the track???
| KNS Brakes | 08-31-2008 02:54 PM |
they look like they are having fun -
sounds like they have extra rules and have talked to the teams etc to realize they have to see what happens a bit under racing
looks fun to drive too w/ the sweepers - hard to pass and when it doesn't work out its a brown out
sounds like they have extra rules and have talked to the teams etc to realize they have to see what happens a bit under racing
looks fun to drive too w/ the sweepers - hard to pass and when it doesn't work out its a brown out
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 02:56 PM |
Seems like their biggest complaint is track width so far?
Kinda strikes me as odd that they would spend all that money, and skimp on the width.
We want more series coming in, not less :sadbanana:
Kinda strikes me as odd that they would spend all that money, and skimp on the width.
We want more series coming in, not less :sadbanana:
| Gonz | 08-31-2008 03:06 PM |
which of the two tracks are they on? I just turned on the tV and they've got equipment out there blowing the track off, and drivers complaining that the surface is breaking up pretty badly. Hope it doesn't become another Summit Point situation.
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 03:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Gonz;23530014]which of the two tracks are they on? I just turned on the tV and they've got equipment out there blowing the track off, and drivers complaining that the surface is breaking up pretty badly. Hope it doesn't become another Summit Point situation.
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, really hoping the track isn't breaking up. These guys won't let it go like summit though.
As for the dust....I just don't get it. They've had quite a few months to work on it...not sure why they haven't tried...
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, really hoping the track isn't breaking up. These guys won't let it go like summit though.
As for the dust....I just don't get it. They've had quite a few months to work on it...not sure why they haven't tried...
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 03:43 PM |
I REALLY want an explanation for why the single "Grand" configuration was abandon...
Run the tracks as two 99% of the time....but why did they eliminate the option of the large single track...doesn't make sense...
Run the tracks as two 99% of the time....but why did they eliminate the option of the large single track...doesn't make sense...
| cooleyjb | 08-31-2008 05:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Gonz;23530014]which of the two tracks are they on? I just turned on the tV and they've got equipment out there blowing the track off, and drivers complaining that the surface is breaking up pretty badly. Hope it doesn't become another Summit Point situation.
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.[/QUOTE]
Just had a friend who ran the Koni race call me and he didn't mention the track breaking up, just the dust issues from people dropping tires. Nothing to say that it is breaking up, but if it is he didn't have anything to say about it.
As for a reason why there isn't grass or sod. My guess is that It's the wrong time of the year. I would bet good money that they will have good grass by spring of next year but putting sod down would be too expensive and grass seed wouldn't have done much over the summer months. The drivers were told countless times to keep the cars on course because of the dust and not drop wheels but as the TV showed, noone listened.
EDIT: ok. I just saw a wider view of the track on TV, and I understand the "dust bowl" comments now. What the heck? It's a $150,000,000.00 project and they can't lay down some grass seed or sod? weird.[/QUOTE]
Just had a friend who ran the Koni race call me and he didn't mention the track breaking up, just the dust issues from people dropping tires. Nothing to say that it is breaking up, but if it is he didn't have anything to say about it.
As for a reason why there isn't grass or sod. My guess is that It's the wrong time of the year. I would bet good money that they will have good grass by spring of next year but putting sod down would be too expensive and grass seed wouldn't have done much over the summer months. The drivers were told countless times to keep the cars on course because of the dust and not drop wheels but as the TV showed, noone listened.
| Gonz | 08-31-2008 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;23530803]Just had a friend who ran the Koni race call me and he didn't mention the track breaking up, just the dust issues from people dropping tires. Nothing to say that it is breaking up, but if it is he didn't have anything to say about it.
[/QUOTE]
cool. hopefully it doesn't have problems. On the Speed Tv broadcast they were having an in car interview during the 4th full course yellow and I thought the DP driver said Turn 5 was breaking up.
[/QUOTE]
cool. hopefully it doesn't have problems. On the Speed Tv broadcast they were having an in car interview during the 4th full course yellow and I thought the DP driver said Turn 5 was breaking up.
| IMPREZive 02 WRX | 08-31-2008 09:14 PM |
I flag there on the weekends, and I'll tell you, it is bad for dust. There isn't really anything they can do at this point though because it's all sand. Grass would never grow in it. Sod would just get rolled up the first time a car went off. Besides, I couldn't imagine how much it would cost to sod all that land. The grass will come, it just needs time.
Knowing the dust would be a problem, they penalized the drivers for cutting corners short and even put tires in the apex to intimidate the drivers and try to keep them on the pavement. As you saw, it didn't work.
Also, Thunderbolt eats tires. Even on club days, after a few laps, there's a ton of rubber chunks on the outside of the turns. It's possible they were seeing all the rubber out there and thinking the track was breaking up.
Knowing the dust would be a problem, they penalized the drivers for cutting corners short and even put tires in the apex to intimidate the drivers and try to keep them on the pavement. As you saw, it didn't work.
Also, Thunderbolt eats tires. Even on club days, after a few laps, there's a ton of rubber chunks on the outside of the turns. It's possible they were seeing all the rubber out there and thinking the track was breaking up.
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=IMPREZive 02 WRX;23532402]I flag there on the weekends, and I'll tell you, it is bad for dust. There isn't really anything they can do at this point though because it's all sand. Grass would never grow in it. Sod would just get rolled up the first time a car went off. Besides, I couldn't imagine how much it would cost to sod all that land. The grass will come, it just needs time.
Knowing the dust would be a problem, they penalized the drivers for cutting corners short and even put tires in the apex to intimidate the drivers and try to keep them on the pavement. As you saw, it didn't work.
Also, Thunderbolt eats tires. Even on club days, after a few laps, there's a ton of rubber chunks on the outside of the turns. It's possible they were seeing all the rubber out there and thinking the track was breaking up.[/QUOTE]
Is Thunderbolt harder on tires than Lightning (obviously a little because it's been run less, but besides that).
Do they have plans to more soil over the sand?
Any incite into why they ditched the big track option?
Knowing the dust would be a problem, they penalized the drivers for cutting corners short and even put tires in the apex to intimidate the drivers and try to keep them on the pavement. As you saw, it didn't work.
Also, Thunderbolt eats tires. Even on club days, after a few laps, there's a ton of rubber chunks on the outside of the turns. It's possible they were seeing all the rubber out there and thinking the track was breaking up.[/QUOTE]
Is Thunderbolt harder on tires than Lightning (obviously a little because it's been run less, but besides that).
Do they have plans to more soil over the sand?
Any incite into why they ditched the big track option?
| IMPREZive 02 WRX | 08-31-2008 09:28 PM |
I'm low man on the totem pole there, so I have no clue what they plan on doing or what they have planned. I'm just speaking from my experience. I have also not worked lightning yet, so I can't compare the two for tire usage.
As for top soil, I'd say they would have to do it. I'm no landscaper, but I couldn't image grass growing in what they have there.
The way the two tracks are arranged on the property, I don't see how a 'one big track' setup would work. I also don't remember ever hearing about it. They do have a kart track that is configurable.
I recommend you check the place out if you get the chance.
As for top soil, I'd say they would have to do it. I'm no landscaper, but I couldn't image grass growing in what they have there.
The way the two tracks are arranged on the property, I don't see how a 'one big track' setup would work. I also don't remember ever hearing about it. They do have a kart track that is configurable.
I recommend you check the place out if you get the chance.
| REX8 | 08-31-2008 09:34 PM |
[QUOTE=IMPREZive 02 WRX;23532509]
The way the two tracks are arranged on the property, I don't see how a 'one big track' setup would work. I also don't remember ever hearing about it. They do have a kart track that is configurable.[/QUOTE]
Didn't you look at the website when it first came up? For a LONG time the track map and description were of one track, configurable into two.
Everyone thought it has goign to be like VIR in that respect. The location of the tracks haven't changed....they just didn't put in the pavement to join them. Only a month of so before they broke ground did they post up the same track map without the adjoining configuration...
I kart there, and have been on lightning twice. Thunderbolt for my first time in a few weeks....
Find out next time you're there! :D
The way the two tracks are arranged on the property, I don't see how a 'one big track' setup would work. I also don't remember ever hearing about it. They do have a kart track that is configurable.[/QUOTE]
Didn't you look at the website when it first came up? For a LONG time the track map and description were of one track, configurable into two.
Everyone thought it has goign to be like VIR in that respect. The location of the tracks haven't changed....they just didn't put in the pavement to join them. Only a month of so before they broke ground did they post up the same track map without the adjoining configuration...
I kart there, and have been on lightning twice. Thunderbolt for my first time in a few weeks....
Find out next time you're there! :D
| IMPREZive 02 WRX | 08-31-2008 09:39 PM |
I didn't pay much attention to it as I was an avid drag racer at the time. I recently started to autox and then being a SCCA member introduced me to the folks at NJMP. Yes, big change in just a few weeks' time.
You'll like Thunderbolt. Talking to folks who have raced both, almost all of them prefer Thunderbolt.
You'll like Thunderbolt. Talking to folks who have raced both, almost all of them prefer Thunderbolt.
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