| XenoWolf | 01-23-2006 02:38 PM |
I can't cancel Speed either, I get it in the lowest tier of my Comcast cable. Maybe I should just call and get it blocked just for spite.
| tt_ttf | 01-23-2006 06:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Brabus]You obviously don't understand it.
Briefly. If you are unable to finish a stage (let say you ran off the road or roll over) you can continue NEXT day only if your team can fix your car in a short amount of time. I could be wrong but I belive it is 2 or 2 and a half hours which is very very short. Don't forget the number of mechanics are limited too. Then you can re enter the rally with 5 minutes penalty for each stage you couldn't complete.
So if you had 4 left to go it's 20 minutes. In Loeb's case at the Monte it was the last stage. So he only got 5 minutes. But don't forget 5 minutes is HUGE. just check the time difference between the drivers on stages and think about how hard is it to crawl back to the position that you held before. SO what he did was unbelivable, brilliant and almost impossible. He is a great driver and I really wish that he will collect his 3rd title this year and the next in 07 and so on.
If you still remember at the roc ( race of champions ) in 2004 double world rally champion Marcus Gronholm took a huge beating from Loeb in his own peugeot 307. Marcus at the time been driving for Peugeot for the 6th year as they #1 wrc driver and it was Loebs first time driving the 307 wrc.[/QUOTE]
I understand very well what Superrally means but I still have a fundamental issue with changing a fundamental element of Rally which means you have to have run the entire event.
To podium when you missed any stages and then store points in the championship round is too much for me to accept.
Yes he did drive brilliantly but he DIDN'T complete the rally.
Too much pandering to sponsors and TV if you ask me.......
Briefly. If you are unable to finish a stage (let say you ran off the road or roll over) you can continue NEXT day only if your team can fix your car in a short amount of time. I could be wrong but I belive it is 2 or 2 and a half hours which is very very short. Don't forget the number of mechanics are limited too. Then you can re enter the rally with 5 minutes penalty for each stage you couldn't complete.
So if you had 4 left to go it's 20 minutes. In Loeb's case at the Monte it was the last stage. So he only got 5 minutes. But don't forget 5 minutes is HUGE. just check the time difference between the drivers on stages and think about how hard is it to crawl back to the position that you held before. SO what he did was unbelivable, brilliant and almost impossible. He is a great driver and I really wish that he will collect his 3rd title this year and the next in 07 and so on.
If you still remember at the roc ( race of champions ) in 2004 double world rally champion Marcus Gronholm took a huge beating from Loeb in his own peugeot 307. Marcus at the time been driving for Peugeot for the 6th year as they #1 wrc driver and it was Loebs first time driving the 307 wrc.[/QUOTE]
I understand very well what Superrally means but I still have a fundamental issue with changing a fundamental element of Rally which means you have to have run the entire event.
To podium when you missed any stages and then store points in the championship round is too much for me to accept.
Yes he did drive brilliantly but he DIDN'T complete the rally.
Too much pandering to sponsors and TV if you ask me.......
| bjorn240 | 01-23-2006 06:52 PM |
Yeah, gotta agree. Superrally is anything but super.
- Christian
- Christian
| Kincaid Racing | 01-23-2006 07:17 PM |
It would appear that the FIA is quickly turning the WRC in to a joke too,
aswell as Speed Channal or the new NASCAR Channal "oh boy"
Thare is allways Colin Mcrae on the ol' X-Box Rally DIY :banana: woo hoo! :banana:
aswell as Speed Channal or the new NASCAR Channal "oh boy"
Thare is allways Colin Mcrae on the ol' X-Box Rally DIY :banana: woo hoo! :banana:
| theicewall | 01-23-2006 08:21 PM |
In a certain sense I agree. Driving a rally is a balance between all out insanity and conservativeness enough to remain on course. Though a five minute penatly is huge in rally, a DNF is an even bigger penalty. If a driver has it in the back of his mind that crashing means a DNF then he will drive with another element of precision and care and drivers who just whisk that away and drive wrecklessly wont win rallies that they dont deserve to win. Loeb drove well, but second place on a rally he drove into a ditch is not truely justified. I commend him for winning every stage other then his off course, but perhaps if he knew an offcourse meant a DNF he would have held back a tad in his driving to prevent being eliminated.
| datageek | 01-24-2006 12:59 AM |
[QUOTE=theicewall]i know they add a 5 minute penalty but they add this to what? [/QUOTE]
The five minute penalty is added to the fastest stage time in the competitor's class for each stage that they missed.
The five minute penalty is added to the fastest stage time in the competitor's class for each stage that they missed.
| bemani | 01-24-2006 02:28 AM |
Why was Chris running the 05 car? They can't make enough 06s?
| Jay911 | 01-24-2006 02:38 AM |
I believe he's in the M2 class, isn't he? They can use last year's model with active diffs, etc. - M2 cannot contain anyone who has placed on podium in past 6 years (I think?).
| XenoWolf | 01-24-2006 06:07 AM |
[QUOTE=theicewall]In a certain sense I agree. Driving a rally is a balance between all out insanity and conservativeness enough to remain on course. Though a five minute penatly is huge in rally, a DNF is an even bigger penalty. If a driver has it in the back of his mind that crashing means a DNF then he will drive with another element of precision and care and drivers who just whisk that away and drive wrecklessly wont win rallies that they dont deserve to win. Loeb drove well, but second place on a rally he drove into a ditch is not truely justified. I commend him for winning every stage other then his off course, but perhaps if he knew an offcourse meant a DNF he would have held back a tad in his driving to prevent being eliminated.[/QUOTE]
Loeb didn't win every stage other than the one he went off on. Gardemeister, Stohl, Duval and Gronholm won a few legitimately.
Loeb didn't win every stage other than the one he went off on. Gardemeister, Stohl, Duval and Gronholm won a few legitimately.
| CirrusWRX | 01-24-2006 10:01 AM |
So I know this is a stupid example, but just think of the following scenario:
Drive X is literally 5 minutes and 35 seconds ahead of all the other drivers going into the final stage. Driver X's car goes off a cliff and explodes. Driver Y who was in 2nd place only gains 34 seconds on Driver X, thus Driver X STILL gets first place?
Drive X is literally 5 minutes and 35 seconds ahead of all the other drivers going into the final stage. Driver X's car goes off a cliff and explodes. Driver Y who was in 2nd place only gains 34 seconds on Driver X, thus Driver X STILL gets first place?
| Jay911 | 01-24-2006 10:11 AM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]So I know this is a stupid example, but just think of the following scenario:
Drive X is literally 5 minutes and 35 seconds ahead of all the other drivers going into the final stage. Driver X's car goes off a cliff and explodes. Driver Y who was in 2nd place only gains 34 seconds on Driver X, thus Driver X STILL gets first place?[/QUOTE]
If the car exploded, I doubt they'd be able to repair it in time to re-enter. :)
Also as far as I know Superally involves being able to re-enter "the next day" - so if you rack it up on day 3, there's no point.
Drive X is literally 5 minutes and 35 seconds ahead of all the other drivers going into the final stage. Driver X's car goes off a cliff and explodes. Driver Y who was in 2nd place only gains 34 seconds on Driver X, thus Driver X STILL gets first place?[/QUOTE]
If the car exploded, I doubt they'd be able to repair it in time to re-enter. :)
Also as far as I know Superally involves being able to re-enter "the next day" - so if you rack it up on day 3, there's no point.
| tt_ttf | 01-24-2006 06:40 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Why was Chris running the 05 car? They can't make enough 06s?[/QUOTE]
They had something about that on SWRT.com
Given that he had not run MC before, they didn't want to double hinder him with learning a rally and the '06 which does handle a little different.
He was entered as a Subaru Australia entry rather than as SWRT so they could do that.
They had something about that on SWRT.com
Given that he had not run MC before, they didn't want to double hinder him with learning a rally and the '06 which does handle a little different.
He was entered as a Subaru Australia entry rather than as SWRT so they could do that.
| theicewall | 01-24-2006 07:35 PM |
[QUOTE=tt_ttf]They had something about that on SWRT.com
Given that he had not run MC before, they didn't want to double hinder him with learning a rally and the '06 which does handle a little different.
He was entered as a Subaru Australia entry rather than as SWRT so they could do that.[/QUOTE]
Because he is in M2 I believe... which is a class that is for drivers who dont run all of the rounds and have not finished in the top 6 in the last X amount of years. I think by that they mean top 6 in the seasonal standings, but it may be for each individual rally. You can check that out though. The whole purpose is to allow competition among driver's who arent well backed/funded or not completely competitive against the likes of Loeb, Solberg, and Gronholm, etc.
Given that he had not run MC before, they didn't want to double hinder him with learning a rally and the '06 which does handle a little different.
He was entered as a Subaru Australia entry rather than as SWRT so they could do that.[/QUOTE]
Because he is in M2 I believe... which is a class that is for drivers who dont run all of the rounds and have not finished in the top 6 in the last X amount of years. I think by that they mean top 6 in the seasonal standings, but it may be for each individual rally. You can check that out though. The whole purpose is to allow competition among driver's who arent well backed/funded or not completely competitive against the likes of Loeb, Solberg, and Gronholm, etc.
| theicewall | 01-24-2006 07:36 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Loeb didn't win every stage other than the one he went off on. Gardemeister, Stohl, Duval and Gronholm won a few legitimately.[/QUOTE]
okay, but he won probably around 90% of them.
okay, but he won probably around 90% of them.
| tt_ttf | 01-24-2006 07:38 PM |
[QUOTE=theicewall]Because he is in M2 I believe... which is a class that is for drivers who dont run all of the rounds and have not finished in the top 6 in the last X amount of years. I think by that they mean top 6 in the seasonal standings, but it may be for each individual rally. You can check that out though. The whole purpose is to allow competition among driver's who arent well backed/funded or not completely competitive against the likes of Loeb, Solberg, and Gronholm, etc.[/QUOTE]
No he was specifically entered in that class for that race only
He will be running an 06 in the other events as an SWRT entry
No he was specifically entered in that class for that race only
He will be running an 06 in the other events as an SWRT entry
| WagonMonster | 01-24-2006 07:42 PM |
Atkinson does not qualify for M2, IIRC, because he finished 4th in Australia last year.
| datageek | 01-24-2006 11:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Jay911]Also as far as I know Superally involves being able to re-enter "the next day" - so if you rack it up on day 3, there's no point.[/QUOTE]
They've changed that for 2006. Now drivers retiring on leg 3 get the same five minute per stage penalty as they would with any other leg.
They've changed that for 2006. Now drivers retiring on leg 3 get the same five minute per stage penalty as they would with any other leg.
| datageek | 01-24-2006 11:42 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Duval went off... surprise! :rolleyes:
How does that boy keep getting rides?[/QUOTE]
He pays for them.
How does that boy keep getting rides?[/QUOTE]
He pays for them.
| mike270 | 01-25-2006 12:22 AM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Atkinson does not qualify for M2, IIRC, because he finished 4th in Australia last year.[/QUOTE]
Its related to the top 6 in the final end of year WRC standings not each event.
Its related to the top 6 in the final end of year WRC standings not each event.
| Chromer | 01-25-2006 08:53 PM |
Just watched the coverage. Thanks to whoever linked the torrents, I'll keep seeding them for a couple weeks.
Wow, what a tough drive. Is it just me, or would they have been better off using something heavily siped on some of those legs? Especially the legs where they had the Col de Tor..ti..linni? Whatever that was. I have to think that whatever you'd give up on the dry you'd more than make up for on that downhill -- it looked really treacherous. It's probably really tough to cut sipes with a tire groover...
Wow, what a tough drive. Is it just me, or would they have been better off using something heavily siped on some of those legs? Especially the legs where they had the Col de Tor..ti..linni? Whatever that was. I have to think that whatever you'd give up on the dry you'd more than make up for on that downhill -- it looked really treacherous. It's probably really tough to cut sipes with a tire groover...
| Jon Bogert | 01-25-2006 09:55 PM |
[QUOTE=datageek]He pays for them.[/QUOTE]Really? I didn't get the impression that he was the independently wealthy type. His father was hanging around and seemed just a regular guy--like a "little league dad" type who was thrilled his kid made the majors. I guess appearances can be deceiving.
| Jon Bogert | 01-25-2006 09:57 PM |
Also, it was nice to see how good the Eurosport coverage was without Speed TV's butchery. Quality, knowledgable commentary. I don't know anyone who would prefer Ralph Sheheen to that.
| LastResort | 01-25-2006 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Jon Bogert]Really? I didn't get the impression that he was the independently wealthy type. His father was hanging around and seemed just a regular guy--like a "little league dad" type who was thrilled his kid made the majors. I guess appearances can be deceiving.[/QUOTE]
I think it means that he is obligated to fund his ride 100% through sponsors.
I think it means that he is obligated to fund his ride 100% through sponsors.
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