| trhoppe | 01-30-2006 09:22 AM |
[QUOTE=GREGS2point5]im not talking about the rules... im talking about ROAD RACING in general...
a BMW is better... And i was making a point that I can have a full out racecar for the price fo an STI new...
And to the "noobs" comments... lets look at my BMW forum post counts...
8000 on bimmerforums
and 3500 on euroteknik...
Just a noob to subaru's and was trying to give some basic information and reccommend a BMW over any subaru for road racing[/QUOTE]
Go away dumbass.
a BMW is better... And i was making a point that I can have a full out racecar for the price fo an STI new...
And to the "noobs" comments... lets look at my BMW forum post counts...
8000 on bimmerforums
and 3500 on euroteknik...
Just a noob to subaru's and was trying to give some basic information and reccommend a BMW over any subaru for road racing[/QUOTE]
Go away dumbass.
| Got Pink? | 01-30-2006 09:37 AM |
What this proves is that you dont have to have a clue to post whore on BMW forums!
Go back there and post a thread on how your 99m3 'killed' an STi above 100 mph on your local interstate highway.
Go back there and post a thread on how your 99m3 'killed' an STi above 100 mph on your local interstate highway.
| ratt_finkel | 01-30-2006 10:21 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Is there a way to block posts by any member number over 100,000?[/QUOTE]
So you wanna block Sam? :lol:
So you wanna block Sam? :lol:
| trhoppe | 01-30-2006 10:26 AM |
Sam registered before the 100k mark, but couldn't get his registration email to go through. He gets a reprieve ;)
-Tom
-Tom
| ratt_finkel | 01-30-2006 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Sam registered before the 100k mark, but couldn't get his registration email to go through. He gets a reprieve ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
There will be plenty of exceptions. I think you should have to submit all your posts through a filter. If they pass, they will actually be posted. Otherwise, you will be temporarily banned for 3 days. :lol:
Stuff from our BMW fanatic would obvsiouly not pass through the BS filter.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
There will be plenty of exceptions. I think you should have to submit all your posts through a filter. If they pass, they will actually be posted. Otherwise, you will be temporarily banned for 3 days. :lol:
Stuff from our BMW fanatic would obvsiouly not pass through the BS filter.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-30-2006 02:41 PM |
Can we require an IQ test before new members can register?
| Scoobie Doogie | 01-30-2006 03:35 PM |
Good idea!
| z3coupe | 01-31-2006 02:22 AM |
What's an iq? Isn't that the chat program from AOL? :devil:
| Skibum4444 | 01-31-2006 03:09 AM |
I swear I've meet this guy.
| Craigs | 01-31-2006 07:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]I swear I've meet this guy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think so - you probably are confusing him with 95% of the E36 M3 owners out there.
I don't think so - you probably are confusing him with 95% of the E36 M3 owners out there.
| trojan9x | 01-31-2006 09:58 PM |
No offense to Neary as he's a very good driver, but he never beat me in STU locally down in Philly Region driving a friend of mine's STi. It wasn't fully prepared either(coilovers, swaybar, exaust). Too bad the bastard sold the car on me! Well, it wasn't my car anyway so he did what worked for him.
<--- little late to the thread.
<--- little late to the thread.
| Scoobie Doogie | 01-31-2006 11:31 PM |
:devil:
| AtomicRacer | 01-31-2006 11:59 PM |
I am pretty sure Neary will be fast this year. Of the M3 owners I know of, I expect Mike Neary and Brian Hanchey will both be fast.
-Paul
-Paul
| Car vs. Driver | 02-01-2006 07:39 AM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]Ha! Sammy made a funnay. Don't help him too much Sam, I'm not that good of a driver yet.
Dave[/QUOTE]
Dave ... congrats on the win last weekend. If my car is setup in time for the next event, I'll try to give you and Mike a run for your money ;)
Dave[/QUOTE]
Dave ... congrats on the win last weekend. If my car is setup in time for the next event, I'll try to give you and Mike a run for your money ;)
| ratt_finkel | 02-01-2006 10:33 AM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer]I am pretty sure Neary will be fast this year. Of the M3 owners I know of, I expect Mike Neary and Brian Hanchey will both be fast.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
Terry Fair is no slouch either. I'm setting my own expectations low this time. I'm going to shoot for DFL.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
Terry Fair is no slouch either. I'm setting my own expectations low this time. I'm going to shoot for DFL.
| Scoobie Doogie | 02-01-2006 02:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Car vs. Driver]Dave ... congrats on the win last weekend. If my car is setup in time for the next event, I'll try to give you and Mike a run for your money ;)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the compliment. I was a bit nervous competing against Mike Neary for the first time. I thought I'd get pounded. I welcome the competition. Heck, if I can help Nate get his STi set up to get rid of that steady state push we'll be at least another second or two faster. :devil:
Dave Mac
Thank you for the compliment. I was a bit nervous competing against Mike Neary for the first time. I thought I'd get pounded. I welcome the competition. Heck, if I can help Nate get his STi set up to get rid of that steady state push we'll be at least another second or two faster. :devil:
Dave Mac
| Corey | 02-01-2006 03:25 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]
Heck, if I can help Nate get his STi set up to get rid of that steady state push we'll be at least another second or two faster. :devil:
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
Nate's car is probably the most sh|tty handling car I've ever driven... seriously :lol:
CAMBER GUYS! CAMBRRRRR!
Corey #89 STS
Heck, if I can help Nate get his STi set up to get rid of that steady state push we'll be at least another second or two faster. :devil:
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
Nate's car is probably the most sh|tty handling car I've ever driven... seriously :lol:
CAMBER GUYS! CAMBRRRRR!
Corey #89 STS
| RacerMike | 02-15-2006 06:59 AM |
[QUOTE=trojan9x]No offense to Neary as he's a very good driver, but he never beat me in STU locally down in Philly Region driving a friend of mine's STi. It wasn't fully prepared either(coilovers, swaybar, exaust). Too bad the bastard sold the car on me! Well, it wasn't my car anyway so he did what worked for him.
<--- little late to the thread.[/QUOTE]
uhhh, not sure who you are (I suspect Jason S.), but besides Sam Strano, who drove my car at one event, there isn't anyone who competed in STU that I didn't beat at least once last year in the Philly events I went to.
Mike
<--- little late to the thread.[/QUOTE]
uhhh, not sure who you are (I suspect Jason S.), but besides Sam Strano, who drove my car at one event, there isn't anyone who competed in STU that I didn't beat at least once last year in the Philly events I went to.
Mike
| RacerMike | 02-15-2006 07:02 AM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]Thank you for the compliment. I was a bit nervous competing against Mike Neary for the first time. I thought I'd get pounded. I welcome the competition. Heck, if I can help Nate get his STi set up to get rid of that steady state push we'll be at least another second or two faster. :devil:
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
Dave -
Nice job at the Philly event. Hopefully warmer weather will help me a lot. I could not get my two wheels to drive the car forward at all. I don't suspect this Sunday will be any better (high of 38F), but I am going to try a different tire. The new Falkens don't seem to like the cold as much as the old ones. We'll see what Yokahamas do.
Mike
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
Dave -
Nice job at the Philly event. Hopefully warmer weather will help me a lot. I could not get my two wheels to drive the car forward at all. I don't suspect this Sunday will be any better (high of 38F), but I am going to try a different tire. The new Falkens don't seem to like the cold as much as the old ones. We'll see what Yokahamas do.
Mike
| CamaroFS34 | 02-15-2006 09:57 AM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Terry Fair is no slouch either. I'm setting my own expectations low this time. I'm going to shoot for DFL.[/QUOTE]
Is McCall setting up the RX8 for STU? He and MeLinda were talking about it the other week when they were up this way. I wonder what a well-prepped RX8 could do against the M3s and the STEvos. Having never driven an RX8, I have no idea what they are or aren't capable of.
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen
Is McCall setting up the RX8 for STU? He and MeLinda were talking about it the other week when they were up this way. I wonder what a well-prepped RX8 could do against the M3s and the STEvos. Having never driven an RX8, I have no idea what they are or aren't capable of.
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen
| ratt_finkel | 02-15-2006 10:34 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Is McCall setting up the RX8 for STU? He and MeLinda were talking about it the other week when they were up this way. I wonder what a well-prepped RX8 could do against the M3s and the STEvos. Having never driven an RX8, I have no idea what they are or aren't capable of.
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen[/QUOTE]
I've never met Jason, and he drives his SM Firebird alot at local events. Not sure of he is going to co-drive with Paul or build an RX8. However, there will be a very well prepped, very well driven 8 coming from our region. I'll give you a hint, it ran BS this year, was white, and trophied ;)
FYI he was not far off the pace at our last event from the STU contigent. Of course, I also out pax'd him at the event before that :lol: But hey, GS has a soft pax.
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen[/QUOTE]
I've never met Jason, and he drives his SM Firebird alot at local events. Not sure of he is going to co-drive with Paul or build an RX8. However, there will be a very well prepped, very well driven 8 coming from our region. I'll give you a hint, it ran BS this year, was white, and trophied ;)
FYI he was not far off the pace at our last event from the STU contigent. Of course, I also out pax'd him at the event before that :lol: But hey, GS has a soft pax.
| AtomicRacer | 02-15-2006 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Is McCall setting up the RX8 for STU? He and MeLinda were talking about it the other week when they were up this way. I wonder what a well-prepped RX8 could do against the M3s and the STEvos. Having never driven an RX8, I have no idea what they are or aren't capable of.
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Yes, he has already purchased wheels, tires and is working on the rest of the car to get it up to prep. Both of them will drive it. I believe Mark Sipe will run his RX-8 in STU this year also. Should be interesting.
-Paul
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Yes, he has already purchased wheels, tires and is working on the rest of the car to get it up to prep. Both of them will drive it. I believe Mark Sipe will run his RX-8 in STU this year also. Should be interesting.
-Paul
| AtomicRacer | 02-15-2006 11:28 AM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]I've never met Jason, and he drives his SM Firebird alot at local events. Not sure of he is going to co-drive with Paul or build an RX8. However, there will be a very well prepped, very well driven 8 coming from our region. I'll give you a hint, it ran BS this year, was white, and trophied ;)
FYI he was not far off the pace at our last event from the STU contigent. Of course, I also out pax'd him at the event before that :lol: But hey, GS has a soft pax.[/QUOTE]
Jason and MeLinda are runing their RX-8 in STU and Jeremy Johnson is co-driving my car this year. He is an EVO guy so I have pulled him away from the dark side. We will both prolly suck this year.
Two weeks ago I practiced with Hanchey and Fair and got p0wn3d in their M3. =/ Granted he was on fresh 615's and I was on dead 615's but it was still a 0.5 second split on a 25 second course.
-Paul
FYI he was not far off the pace at our last event from the STU contigent. Of course, I also out pax'd him at the event before that :lol: But hey, GS has a soft pax.[/QUOTE]
Jason and MeLinda are runing their RX-8 in STU and Jeremy Johnson is co-driving my car this year. He is an EVO guy so I have pulled him away from the dark side. We will both prolly suck this year.
Two weeks ago I practiced with Hanchey and Fair and got p0wn3d in their M3. =/ Granted he was on fresh 615's and I was on dead 615's but it was still a 0.5 second split on a 25 second course.
-Paul
| ratt_finkel | 02-15-2006 12:49 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer]Jason and MeLinda are runing their RX-8 in STU and Jeremy Johnson is co-driving my car this year. He is an EVO guy so I have pulled him away from the dark side. We will both prolly suck this year.
Two weeks ago I practiced with Hanchey and Fair and got p0wn3d in their M3. =/ Granted he was on fresh 615's and I was on dead 615's but it was still a 0.5 second split on a 25 second course.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
Jeez Paul, you suck :lol:
Two weeks ago I practiced with Hanchey and Fair and got p0wn3d in their M3. =/ Granted he was on fresh 615's and I was on dead 615's but it was still a 0.5 second split on a 25 second course.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
Jeez Paul, you suck :lol:
| funsti | 02-15-2006 02:13 PM |
[Blatant Generalization]
Drivers being equal on tight courses forcing STEvos out of the boost often: other cars besides STEvos can win STU; otherwise, never.
[/Blatant Generalization]
But seriously, the M3 is a superior and lighter chassis and is allowed to run more tire by the rules. BUT, the STEvos have a huge advantage on powertrain and drivetrain and with allowed modifications most all of their handling issues can be fixed. I think they will run very close with one another with top drivers.. on concrete anyway..
[Off Topic]Oh, and 06 STi > 05 STi > Evo in STU.[/Off Topic]
-JWM
Drivers being equal on tight courses forcing STEvos out of the boost often: other cars besides STEvos can win STU; otherwise, never.
[/Blatant Generalization]
But seriously, the M3 is a superior and lighter chassis and is allowed to run more tire by the rules. BUT, the STEvos have a huge advantage on powertrain and drivetrain and with allowed modifications most all of their handling issues can be fixed. I think they will run very close with one another with top drivers.. on concrete anyway..
[Off Topic]Oh, and 06 STi > 05 STi > Evo in STU.[/Off Topic]
-JWM
| Scooby South | 02-15-2006 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]BMW > *
/thread[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
/thread[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
| RacerMike | 02-15-2006 03:49 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
[/QUOTE]
My argument stands then.
Mike
[edit] Mike, trojan9x is Tom B.
[/QUOTE]
My argument stands then.
Mike
| solo2wrx | 02-15-2006 06:23 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]
But seriously, the M3 is a superior and lighter chassis and is allowed to run more tire by the rules. BUT, the STEvos have a huge advantage on powertrain and drivetrain and with allowed modifications most all of their handling issues can be fixed. I think they will run very close with one another with top drivers.. on concrete anyway..
-JWM[/QUOTE]
The biggest problem the M3 has is fitting those tires. If I remember from one of the guys building a budget STU M3 you have to roll the fenders just to fit 255's.
But seriously, the M3 is a superior and lighter chassis and is allowed to run more tire by the rules. BUT, the STEvos have a huge advantage on powertrain and drivetrain and with allowed modifications most all of their handling issues can be fixed. I think they will run very close with one another with top drivers.. on concrete anyway..
-JWM[/QUOTE]
The biggest problem the M3 has is fitting those tires. If I remember from one of the guys building a budget STU M3 you have to roll the fenders just to fit 255's.
| BlkWRXWag | 02-15-2006 06:26 PM |
Most of the M3's in our region are now running 265/35/18 Yoko's (albeit with much fender rolling).
| wm07 | 02-15-2006 06:55 PM |
and STis have to roll their fenders to run 245s...
| solo2wrx | 02-15-2006 07:13 PM |
[QUOTE=wm07]and STis have to roll their fenders to run 245s...[/QUOTE]
Since when???? I know several guys running 245s without fender rub. They get some minor fender liner rub but no metal fender to tire contact.
Since when???? I know several guys running 245s without fender rub. They get some minor fender liner rub but no metal fender to tire contact.
| Scoobie Doogie | 02-15-2006 07:32 PM |
[QUOTE=RacerMike]Dave -
Nice job at the Philly event. Hopefully warmer weather will help me a lot. I could not get my two wheels to drive the car forward at all. I don't suspect this Sunday will be any better (high of 38F), but I am going to try a different tire. The new Falkens don't seem to like the cold as much as the old ones. We'll see what Yokahamas do.
Mike[/QUOTE]
Thanks Mike. Once we both get our cars more sorted and the temperatures come up we will have a competitive 2006 season.
Don't show up on Sunday, you'll be racing by yourself. :D
Dave Mac
Nice job at the Philly event. Hopefully warmer weather will help me a lot. I could not get my two wheels to drive the car forward at all. I don't suspect this Sunday will be any better (high of 38F), but I am going to try a different tire. The new Falkens don't seem to like the cold as much as the old ones. We'll see what Yokahamas do.
Mike[/QUOTE]
Thanks Mike. Once we both get our cars more sorted and the temperatures come up we will have a competitive 2006 season.
Don't show up on Sunday, you'll be racing by yourself. :D
Dave Mac
| BlkWRXWag | 02-15-2006 08:13 PM |
[QUOTE=wm07]and STis have to roll their fenders to run 245s...[/QUOTE]
On an 04 maybe, not on an 05 or 06.
On an 04 maybe, not on an 05 or 06.
| trhoppe | 02-15-2006 11:40 PM |
[QUOTE=wm07]and STis have to roll their fenders to run 245s...[/QUOTE]
Maybe in wm07's dreamland :lol: :lol:
Maybe in wm07's dreamland :lol: :lol:
| DrBiggly | 02-15-2006 11:52 PM |
Hah. With soft springs and incorrect ride height settings, I'm sure it could be necessary.
Tom, did you roll the fenders at all to stuff the 275s on there? :D
Tom, did you roll the fenders at all to stuff the 275s on there? :D
| wm07 | 02-16-2006 12:02 AM |
Well, at least in my case, I had to remove the rubber thingy in the rear, and rolled the fenders to make 245-40-18 with 18x8.5 +48 (street use) to fit. I am not sure if it's necessary for my 245/45-17, since I've already done the fenders prior purchasing the 245/45s.
| z3coupe | 02-16-2006 06:01 AM |
I am running 245/40/17 AD07's with 17x8.5 5Ziggen GN+ wheels with No rubbing problems at all, and no rolled fenders. And I even have softer sprung KW V3 coilovers and still no rubbing. Its probably your 18" wheel/tire combo having problems.
As for RX8's in STU? Guess just like a Miata, if you can carry the speed in the turns, it will do good. But I recently test drove a 6spd, and boy, it was like WHEN was the power going to kick in? Once you get used to turbos, and the "push" (rush) you get, all else pales. Even the Cooper Works Mini with the SC felt lame in the "grin" department. Neither were no where near as much a thrill as even a N/A //M3. Even my old 79 RX7 felt faster than the RX8 - but then it had a 4 barrel carb on it that I modded into a manual secondary - so that even at idle I could open up all 4. Combined with the 76 RX3-SP intake (different runner paths), dumping the pedal at speed was like an automatic downshifting! It had whoa factor there :devil:
As for RX8's in STU? Guess just like a Miata, if you can carry the speed in the turns, it will do good. But I recently test drove a 6spd, and boy, it was like WHEN was the power going to kick in? Once you get used to turbos, and the "push" (rush) you get, all else pales. Even the Cooper Works Mini with the SC felt lame in the "grin" department. Neither were no where near as much a thrill as even a N/A //M3. Even my old 79 RX7 felt faster than the RX8 - but then it had a 4 barrel carb on it that I modded into a manual secondary - so that even at idle I could open up all 4. Combined with the 76 RX3-SP intake (different runner paths), dumping the pedal at speed was like an automatic downshifting! It had whoa factor there :devil:
| ratt_finkel | 02-16-2006 01:49 PM |
Honestly, the RX-8's are way down in the power department. I ran several times against Mark Sipes at a mirrorcross and even with a crappy launch he still couldn't really pull away.
I think they have a lot of potential though and will be right there at the top of the heap.
I think they have a lot of potential though and will be right there at the top of the heap.
| makofoto | 02-16-2006 02:02 PM |
RX-8's can be amazingly fast ... see the Indexed results from our January AX:
Jason Isley, BS National Champ, top indexed car/driver with his RX-8, w/ 710's obviously. Note Steve O'blenes STU and Jeff Barco's STX times a few lines below Jason.
[URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventPage.asp?eid={655AF2C7-92F4-4D1A-8EEF-8D3AC796D1E7}]RX8 results here[/URL]
Jason Isley, BS National Champ, top indexed car/driver with his RX-8, w/ 710's obviously. Note Steve O'blenes STU and Jeff Barco's STX times a few lines below Jason.
[URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventPage.asp?eid={655AF2C7-92F4-4D1A-8EEF-8D3AC796D1E7}]RX8 results here[/URL]
| 10th Warrior | 02-16-2006 02:09 PM |
power makes little difference in Solo, even more so on street tires.
| zzyzx | 02-16-2006 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South]
[quote=zzyzx]
BMW > *
/thread
[/quote]
:rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
:banana:
Keith - Look, somebody took me seriously!
[quote=zzyzx]
BMW > *
/thread
[/quote]
:rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
:banana:
Keith - Look, somebody took me seriously!
| wm07 | 02-16-2006 03:28 PM |
[QUOTE=z3coupe]I am running 245/40/17 AD07's with 17x8.5 5Ziggen GN+ wheels with No rubbing problems at all, and no rolled fenders. And I even have softer sprung KW V3 coilovers and still no rubbing. Its probably your 18" wheel/tire combo having problems.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I am sure my 18" wheel/tire combo is having problems with my 04 fenders. :rolleyes:
Yea, I am sure my 18" wheel/tire combo is having problems with my 04 fenders. :rolleyes:
| AtomicRacer | 02-16-2006 04:27 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]power makes little difference in Solo, even more so on street tires.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much have to disagree with this statement. Power during corner exit seems to work quite well for me.
-Paul
I pretty much have to disagree with this statement. Power during corner exit seems to work quite well for me.
-Paul
| AtomicRacer | 02-16-2006 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE=BlkWRXWag]Most of the M3's in our region are now running 265/35/18 Yoko's (albeit with much fender rolling).[/QUOTE]
I keep hearing about this and I don't see how it is possible. The 265 Yok is huge and the M3 doesn't have much room. I would love to see pictures of these on an e36 M3. If I recall correctly they only legal fender rolling in STU is of the inner lip and not pushing the fender out (flared).
-Paul
I keep hearing about this and I don't see how it is possible. The 265 Yok is huge and the M3 doesn't have much room. I would love to see pictures of these on an e36 M3. If I recall correctly they only legal fender rolling in STU is of the inner lip and not pushing the fender out (flared).
-Paul
| BlkWRXWag | 02-16-2006 04:48 PM |
This is the only picture I could find from last weekend. Trust me, they fit without pushing the fender out. We now have 2 or maybe 3 BMW's that have them fitted.
[IMG]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/blkwrxwag/368_stu_fo_max.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/blkwrxwag/368_stu_fo_max.jpg[/IMG]
| 10th Warrior | 02-16-2006 04:50 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer]I pretty much have to disagree with this statement. Power during corner exit seems to work quite well for me.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
and yet, somehow, a miata is as fast as a camero :lol:
-Paul[/QUOTE]
and yet, somehow, a miata is as fast as a camero :lol:
| zzyzx | 02-16-2006 05:11 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]and yet, somehow, a miata is as fast as a camero :lol:[/QUOTE]
I beg your pardon!
Seat of pants > autox results
;)
I beg your pardon!
Seat of pants > autox results
;)
| ratt_finkel | 02-16-2006 05:46 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]RX-8's can be amazingly fast ... see the Indexed results from our January AX:
Jason Isley, BS National Champ, top indexed car/driver with his RX-8, w/ 710's obviously. Note Steve O'blenes STU and Jeff Barco's STX times a few lines below Jason.
[URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventPage.asp?eid={655AF2C7-92F4-4D1A-8EEF-8D3AC796D1E7}]RX8 results here[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm aware of their handling prowess. But I'm stating, against my RS, Mark's nationally prepped 8 couldn't keep up in a straight line. I've also seen mark put down some suprising times. But that has little to do with the power or lackthereof contained by the RX-8.
And if we want to toot horns...
[url]http://autocross.com/er/cc905.pdf[/url]
Scroll to the bottom for pax standings
Jason Isley, BS National Champ, top indexed car/driver with his RX-8, w/ 710's obviously. Note Steve O'blenes STU and Jeff Barco's STX times a few lines below Jason.
[URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventPage.asp?eid={655AF2C7-92F4-4D1A-8EEF-8D3AC796D1E7}]RX8 results here[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm aware of their handling prowess. But I'm stating, against my RS, Mark's nationally prepped 8 couldn't keep up in a straight line. I've also seen mark put down some suprising times. But that has little to do with the power or lackthereof contained by the RX-8.
And if we want to toot horns...
[url]http://autocross.com/er/cc905.pdf[/url]
Scroll to the bottom for pax standings
| ratt_finkel | 02-16-2006 05:47 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]and yet, somehow, a miata is as fast as a camero :lol:[/QUOTE]
Oh come on Jeff. That's not exactly a fair comparison. How about a miata versus an elise ;)
Oh come on Jeff. That's not exactly a fair comparison. How about a miata versus an elise ;)
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| afpdl | 02-16-2006 09:31 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Oh come on Jeff. That's not exactly a fair comparison. How about a miata versus an elise ;)[/QUOTE]
Or a camaro with 150hp.
Or a camaro with 150hp.
| hancheyb | 02-17-2006 11:50 AM |
Hey guys,
First time caller, long time listener.
We have definitive data that spells out what's going to happen this year. We bought a DL-1. Unfortunately like Paul said, he was on dead tires, but here is what the data shows:
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Playing the runs together shows without guessing that in a slalom the M3 is faster, steady state turns the cars are about the same and through relatively tight transitions the M3 is .5s faster through just three gates! Personally I think the Evo would narrow that gap since they appear to transition better. Either way, it will be a fun year. Depending on the course, each has its strengths. Any pivot cones and the awd cars with their power usually make up for the grip. RX-8 will probably have even higher lateral numbers and worse acceleration maybe better braking? We'll have the DL-1 on Evos and RX-8s probably by June. Rat Finkel??
Here's the writeup:
Review is on our website vorshlag d o t com
(I haven't posted enough to post a url.)
Brian
First time caller, long time listener.
We have definitive data that spells out what's going to happen this year. We bought a DL-1. Unfortunately like Paul said, he was on dead tires, but here is what the data shows:
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Playing the runs together shows without guessing that in a slalom the M3 is faster, steady state turns the cars are about the same and through relatively tight transitions the M3 is .5s faster through just three gates! Personally I think the Evo would narrow that gap since they appear to transition better. Either way, it will be a fun year. Depending on the course, each has its strengths. Any pivot cones and the awd cars with their power usually make up for the grip. RX-8 will probably have even higher lateral numbers and worse acceleration maybe better braking? We'll have the DL-1 on Evos and RX-8s probably by June. Rat Finkel??
Here's the writeup:
Review is on our website vorshlag d o t com
(I haven't posted enough to post a url.)
Brian
| ratt_finkel | 02-17-2006 12:21 PM |
[QUOTE=hancheyb] We'll have the DL-1 on Evos and RX-8s probably by June. Rat Finkel??
Brian[/QUOTE]
Most defintely. :)
Brian[/QUOTE]
Most defintely. :)
| AtomicRacer | 02-17-2006 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]and yet, somehow, a miata is as fast as a camero :lol:[/QUOTE]
I don't recall losing to any STS2 cars so your arguement really doesn't hold water there.
-Paul
I don't recall losing to any STS2 cars so your arguement really doesn't hold water there.
-Paul
| afpdl | 02-17-2006 02:36 PM |
[QUOTE=hancheyb]
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Brian[/QUOTE]
Looks like Paul could brake harder. How much negative camber are you running Paul?
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Brian[/QUOTE]
Looks like Paul could brake harder. How much negative camber are you running Paul?
| ratt_finkel | 02-17-2006 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE=afpdl]Looks like Paul could brake harder. How much negative camber are you running Paul?[/QUOTE]
Actually, it looks like BMW brakes harder.
Actually, it looks like BMW brakes harder.
| afpdl | 02-17-2006 04:05 PM |
Friction circles are called circles for a reason. I dont have a DL-1 but I have no problem matching my braking gs to my lateral gs on the gtech rr. I dont see any reason why the gtech would only be way off on braking.
| hancheyb | 02-17-2006 05:14 PM |
I drove Paul's car. There was a noticable difference in braking performance. He said they needed to be bled. On that day, it was different, but that's not to say STI brakes with the right pads, etc aren't capable of -1.0g. This was just one day on one 24 second course. Your results will vary. :)
One thing I'd like to do at our next practice might be to set up a 60-0 and let people use the DL-1 to record it. Or a 0-60-0. Might be interesting. There's a 3000' runway just waiting to be rented here...
One thing I'd like to do at our next practice might be to set up a 60-0 and let people use the DL-1 to record it. Or a 0-60-0. Might be interesting. There's a 3000' runway just waiting to be rented here...
| AtomicRacer | 02-17-2006 07:58 PM |
[QUOTE=afpdl]Looks like Paul could brake harder. How much negative camber are you running Paul?[/QUOTE]
Alex,
At the time I had the DL-1 mounted and recording I was running -4.0 camber in the front. Also about an hour earlier Brian and I lapped the car so many times we lost the brakes almost completely so they weren't at their best.
After the DL-1 was removed I continued to test on the skidpad and recorded inside tire (245/45-17 Falken 615) temps as much as 35 degrees higher than the middle and outside so I reset the front camber to about -3.2 and got the tires temps almost even across the face of the tire (a couple degrees hotter on the inside). Although I did not have the DL-1 installed at this time I knew my front grip increased as I was faster in the skidpad (my RPM's were higher) and the car felt stuck down. I also developed a very loose rear end on corner exit. =) I could easily throttle over steer now, too much in fact. Even with the rear bar full soft and rebound set full soft I could step the car out at will and not even full throttle. So now I need to add rear camber (currently 0.0), I think about -1.5 should put me in the ballpark.
As for the braking, they were already toast and I never did any full braking while I had the DL-1 mounted so there aren't any good numbers for me. I am sure on fresh tires and after replacing the fluid my braking will be even with or damn close to the M3.
-Paul
Alex,
At the time I had the DL-1 mounted and recording I was running -4.0 camber in the front. Also about an hour earlier Brian and I lapped the car so many times we lost the brakes almost completely so they weren't at their best.
After the DL-1 was removed I continued to test on the skidpad and recorded inside tire (245/45-17 Falken 615) temps as much as 35 degrees higher than the middle and outside so I reset the front camber to about -3.2 and got the tires temps almost even across the face of the tire (a couple degrees hotter on the inside). Although I did not have the DL-1 installed at this time I knew my front grip increased as I was faster in the skidpad (my RPM's were higher) and the car felt stuck down. I also developed a very loose rear end on corner exit. =) I could easily throttle over steer now, too much in fact. Even with the rear bar full soft and rebound set full soft I could step the car out at will and not even full throttle. So now I need to add rear camber (currently 0.0), I think about -1.5 should put me in the ballpark.
As for the braking, they were already toast and I never did any full braking while I had the DL-1 mounted so there aren't any good numbers for me. I am sure on fresh tires and after replacing the fluid my braking will be even with or damn close to the M3.
-Paul
| solo-x | 02-17-2006 11:55 PM |
[QUOTE=hancheyb]Hey guys,
First time caller, long time listener.
We have definitive data that spells out what's going to happen this year. We bought a DL-1. Unfortunately like Paul said, he was on dead tires, but here is what the data shows:
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Playing the runs together shows without guessing that in a slalom the M3 is faster, steady state turns the cars are about the same and through relatively tight transitions the M3 is .5s faster through just three gates! Personally I think the Evo would narrow that gap since they appear to transition better. Either way, it will be a fun year. Depending on the course, each has its strengths. Any pivot cones and the awd cars with their power usually make up for the grip. RX-8 will probably have even higher lateral numbers and worse acceleration maybe better braking? We'll have the DL-1 on Evos and RX-8s probably by June. Rat Finkel??
Here's the writeup:
Review is on our website vorshlag d o t com
(I haven't posted enough to post a url.)
Brian[/QUOTE]
did you correct for chassis roll, dive and squat? was the bmw peak instantaneous g's higher then the sti, thus the faster slalom and transition times? how about car placement in those transitions? i mention this because kC and i saw similar differences in data when we logged his rx-8 when we both drove it. the data logger is a great tool, but like any tool it has to be used properly for the greatest benefit. for example, raw data indicated nearly 1.4g's steady state in the BS rx-8. corrected it was not quite 1.1g's. it also showed that i was faster in the offset slalom. my approach to the slalom was entirely different then kC's, and despite running nearly identical times (well, if you throw out his missed 1-2 upshift :devil: ) i was nearly .5 seconds quicker in that one spot. if you ignored us driving the same car you'd think the car i drove sucked under braking but slalomed awesome and that the car kc drove was awesome in trail brake corner entry but sucked in slaloms. not saying this is the case with the data you presented, but without knowing more i have to treat this as nothing more then interesting.
nate
First time caller, long time listener.
We have definitive data that spells out what's going to happen this year. We bought a DL-1. Unfortunately like Paul said, he was on dead tires, but here is what the data shows:
Long. accel:
STI: .8g and -.7g
M3: .45g and -1.0g
Lat accel:
STI: .95g
M3: 1.1g (fresh tires)
Playing the runs together shows without guessing that in a slalom the M3 is faster, steady state turns the cars are about the same and through relatively tight transitions the M3 is .5s faster through just three gates! Personally I think the Evo would narrow that gap since they appear to transition better. Either way, it will be a fun year. Depending on the course, each has its strengths. Any pivot cones and the awd cars with their power usually make up for the grip. RX-8 will probably have even higher lateral numbers and worse acceleration maybe better braking? We'll have the DL-1 on Evos and RX-8s probably by June. Rat Finkel??
Here's the writeup:
Review is on our website vorshlag d o t com
(I haven't posted enough to post a url.)
Brian[/QUOTE]
did you correct for chassis roll, dive and squat? was the bmw peak instantaneous g's higher then the sti, thus the faster slalom and transition times? how about car placement in those transitions? i mention this because kC and i saw similar differences in data when we logged his rx-8 when we both drove it. the data logger is a great tool, but like any tool it has to be used properly for the greatest benefit. for example, raw data indicated nearly 1.4g's steady state in the BS rx-8. corrected it was not quite 1.1g's. it also showed that i was faster in the offset slalom. my approach to the slalom was entirely different then kC's, and despite running nearly identical times (well, if you throw out his missed 1-2 upshift :devil: ) i was nearly .5 seconds quicker in that one spot. if you ignored us driving the same car you'd think the car i drove sucked under braking but slalomed awesome and that the car kc drove was awesome in trail brake corner entry but sucked in slaloms. not saying this is the case with the data you presented, but without knowing more i have to treat this as nothing more then interesting.
nate
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