| VpointVick | 01-25-2006 05:07 PM |
Stranoparts 32mm FSB for wagons?
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I've gotten Sam at Stranoparts to say that if there is enough demand for it, they be interested in doing a monster front sway bar (similar to the one in [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719115&highlight=stock+sway+bar]this thread[/URL] ) with fitment for Impreza wagons.
At this point in time, the largest sway bars available to those of us gifted with cargo space, is the Hothkiss/Cobb 25mm, which may, or may not, be any stiffer than the Whiteline 22mm (Whiteline is solid, Cobb is hollow).
With more weight up top, we could definitely benefit from roll control as much as, if not more than, the sedan guys!
Some testimonials from sedan owners running the Stranoparts bar,
[QUOTE=funsti]Yes get the Strano FSB immediately. My car handled great with just the Strano FSB and stock RSB. After adding the Whiteline 24mm solid RSB I don't think I could ever go back. Now I get rotation without even trying to induce it; but not so much I can't control the car.
Crash477 here on Nasioc also recently installed the Strano FSB on his bugeye rex and absolutely loves it.
-JWM[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mykrrrr]I ran Smitty_STi's car @ the last two Detroit region SCCA autocross events and the big FSB makes a LOT of difference.
I won the first event I ran and got 4th (would have had 2nd in class if I wouldn't have been magnetically drawn to a couple of cones on course ;)) @ the 2nd event I ran. I was in contention for 1st overall in street tyre street mod (TSM) against a guy who's dropped a hell of a lot of $$$ into his EVO. Ohlins suspension, tuned to 380 WHP, 275 width tyres.
Matt's car only has a cat back and an FSB. :D
A big FSB w/stock RSB works. I'd go for it. :)
-mykr.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crash477]JWM is right. I love the 32mm Strano FSB!!
It doesnt bolt right up to the 02 WRX. The only thing I had to do was grind some of the frame mounting bracket to fit. Other than that, it fit fine, and is an awesome bar! I think I may be the first or second 02 WRX to have it on.
I have the 32mm FSB, 24mm RSB with Poltec endlinks, Megan Racing Coilovers (8/6 rates), with stock rims and Azenis. I absolutely love the setup so far, and have been very competative in STX.[/QUOTE]
You get the idea!
Post up if you'd buy one!
Wait for the poll...
At this point in time, the largest sway bars available to those of us gifted with cargo space, is the Hothkiss/Cobb 25mm, which may, or may not, be any stiffer than the Whiteline 22mm (Whiteline is solid, Cobb is hollow).
With more weight up top, we could definitely benefit from roll control as much as, if not more than, the sedan guys!
Some testimonials from sedan owners running the Stranoparts bar,
[QUOTE=funsti]Yes get the Strano FSB immediately. My car handled great with just the Strano FSB and stock RSB. After adding the Whiteline 24mm solid RSB I don't think I could ever go back. Now I get rotation without even trying to induce it; but not so much I can't control the car.
Crash477 here on Nasioc also recently installed the Strano FSB on his bugeye rex and absolutely loves it.
-JWM[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mykrrrr]I ran Smitty_STi's car @ the last two Detroit region SCCA autocross events and the big FSB makes a LOT of difference.
I won the first event I ran and got 4th (would have had 2nd in class if I wouldn't have been magnetically drawn to a couple of cones on course ;)) @ the 2nd event I ran. I was in contention for 1st overall in street tyre street mod (TSM) against a guy who's dropped a hell of a lot of $$$ into his EVO. Ohlins suspension, tuned to 380 WHP, 275 width tyres.
Matt's car only has a cat back and an FSB. :D
A big FSB w/stock RSB works. I'd go for it. :)
-mykr.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crash477]JWM is right. I love the 32mm Strano FSB!!
It doesnt bolt right up to the 02 WRX. The only thing I had to do was grind some of the frame mounting bracket to fit. Other than that, it fit fine, and is an awesome bar! I think I may be the first or second 02 WRX to have it on.
I have the 32mm FSB, 24mm RSB with Poltec endlinks, Megan Racing Coilovers (8/6 rates), with stock rims and Azenis. I absolutely love the setup so far, and have been very competative in STX.[/QUOTE]
You get the idea!
Post up if you'd buy one!
Wait for the poll...
| Impala SS AutoXer | 01-25-2006 08:13 PM |
Put me in as "Hells Yeah!!!".
| bluesky99 | 01-25-2006 08:43 PM |
I'd definately be interested in a bigger front swaybar. I have the biggest solid swaybar I can get.
| abaxter34 | 01-25-2006 09:38 PM |
what in particular is keeping the current strano bar from fitting the wagons? yes they should make a wagon specific bar, id like to find out what it would feel like versus my whiteline 22.
| VpointVick | 01-25-2006 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=abaxter34]what in particular is keeping the current strano bar from fitting the wagons? yes they should make a wagon specific bar, id like to find out what it would feel like versus my whiteline 22.[/QUOTE]
Wagon swaybars are narrower than sedan/STi bars, and the endlink pickup points on the control arms are of a different design, peventing the use of Strano's endlink brackets.
Sedan users report that, while it may seem contrary to commonly accepted suspension tuning ideas, A LOT of understeer is eliminated by controlling camber loss as the chassis rolls. This keeps more rubber in contact with the pavement, and less slipping of the front wheels.
If you auto-x or track day, I'm sure you've noticed the wear on the outside shoulders of your front tires, that is caused by that camber loss that this bar will help prevent.
Wagon swaybars are narrower than sedan/STi bars, and the endlink pickup points on the control arms are of a different design, peventing the use of Strano's endlink brackets.
Sedan users report that, while it may seem contrary to commonly accepted suspension tuning ideas, A LOT of understeer is eliminated by controlling camber loss as the chassis rolls. This keeps more rubber in contact with the pavement, and less slipping of the front wheels.
If you auto-x or track day, I'm sure you've noticed the wear on the outside shoulders of your front tires, that is caused by that camber loss that this bar will help prevent.
| abaxter34 | 01-25-2006 10:55 PM |
ive seen sedan bars installed on wagons numerous times, all using the oem style endlink though. ive held my wagon bar next to a sedan bar and the width was actually exactly the same. what was different and only very slightly so, were the mounting ears for the endlinks. the sedans mounts were angled more due to the different control arm mounts. as i said ealier, sedan bars will fit on wagons. im just curious whether the different endlink for the strano bar will not allow you to put the bar on a wagon.width wise i would think it would be fine. have you heard of anyone trying to install the strano bar on a wagon or is strano saying it just wont fit?
| flyboymike | 01-25-2006 11:56 PM |
Is 32 mm hollow about equivalent to 27 mm solid?
I've got the iPd kit right now, 22 front and 24 rear. I have heard all the potential benefits of a big FSB, and if this were available I might upgrade.
abaxter34, great car description :-)
I've got the iPd kit right now, 22 front and 24 rear. I have heard all the potential benefits of a big FSB, and if this were available I might upgrade.
abaxter34, great car description :-)
| makofoto | 01-26-2006 12:09 AM |
32 mm hollow is = to 29 solid in this case
| flyboymike | 01-26-2006 01:04 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]32 mm hollow is = to 29 solid in this case[/QUOTE]
Ah, thank you. Any idea what do folks usually balance it with in the rear? 24 mm (solid) seems a bit weak, maybe 26 mm.
Ah, thank you. Any idea what do folks usually balance it with in the rear? 24 mm (solid) seems a bit weak, maybe 26 mm.
| VpointVick | 01-26-2006 06:59 AM |
abaxter34,
Strano has marketed their current bar as fitting sedans only. I've looked around quite a bit and not been able to find anyone that has tried to mount the existing bar on a wagon.
I had thought about trying to make it fit myself, but my understanding was that sedan bars generally made the endlinks go like / \ when viewed from the front. That and the differences in the pickup point on the control arm, made me decide not to take it on myself.
If we could get away with just a hardware change, that would be great. If Addco can use the same bar between the sedan and wagon, that would mean that we'd be that much more likely to see this happen.
flyboymike,
what bar to use in the back has depended on whether or not you have auto-x class restrictions to deal with or not.
Look at the quotes in the first post, quite a few guys are having success in A Stock with stock rear bars (can only change front bar), and most all of the STX/STU guys are running the 24mm solid rear bar, I now of one guy, who runs much stiffer springs, with no rear bar at all!
Strano has marketed their current bar as fitting sedans only. I've looked around quite a bit and not been able to find anyone that has tried to mount the existing bar on a wagon.
I had thought about trying to make it fit myself, but my understanding was that sedan bars generally made the endlinks go like / \ when viewed from the front. That and the differences in the pickup point on the control arm, made me decide not to take it on myself.
If we could get away with just a hardware change, that would be great. If Addco can use the same bar between the sedan and wagon, that would mean that we'd be that much more likely to see this happen.
flyboymike,
what bar to use in the back has depended on whether or not you have auto-x class restrictions to deal with or not.
Look at the quotes in the first post, quite a few guys are having success in A Stock with stock rear bars (can only change front bar), and most all of the STX/STU guys are running the 24mm solid rear bar, I now of one guy, who runs much stiffer springs, with no rear bar at all!
| Calamity Jesus | 01-26-2006 10:49 AM |
This would also fit the GCs w/ engine swaps, correct?
| VpointVick | 01-26-2006 11:06 AM |
I'm not very GC savvy, but, if you can use bars designed for the wagon I don't see why this one wouldn't work.
There was some discussion about using the sedan bar on GCs in the original thread (see my link above, starts post #392), they seemed more concerned with the SB bushings being too large to work with the GC crossmember or something, but if you're using a WRX crossmember that wouldn't apply to you.
Sorry I can't help more on this.
There was some discussion about using the sedan bar on GCs in the original thread (see my link above, starts post #392), they seemed more concerned with the SB bushings being too large to work with the GC crossmember or something, but if you're using a WRX crossmember that wouldn't apply to you.
Sorry I can't help more on this.
| sciolist | 01-26-2006 11:12 AM |
I'd be happy to have one for our wagon, but I need to know fairly soon. Actually talked to Sam about this a few months ago, but he thought there was not enough interest. Let me know, Sam - before I have to go with Plan B.
Thanks!
Paul
Thanks!
Paul
| ratt_finkel | 01-26-2006 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]This would also fit the GCs w/ engine swaps, correct?[/QUOTE]
Not only is it too big for the brackets. I think it may be too big for the subframe as well. However, I think with a swap you can run any of the JDM swaybars. As in, the ones made for the actually WRX.
Not only is it too big for the brackets. I think it may be too big for the subframe as well. However, I think with a swap you can run any of the JDM swaybars. As in, the ones made for the actually WRX.
| VpointVick | 01-26-2006 04:55 PM |
Bump.
| Carnot | 01-27-2006 11:34 AM |
I'm interested.
-Bryce
-Bryce
| Slack | 01-27-2006 03:17 PM |
I don't own a wagon or said swaybar, but I run a 24mm (Whiteline) front sway on my 2000 L sedan. I greatly enjoy the effect it had on my handling. The front is nice and flat during hard turns and decreased understeer.
Mick
Mick
| WgnWheel | 01-27-2006 10:04 PM |
a bar that big would cause my wagon to push straight off the track! i have the whiteline frt and when i had tein basics, the car worked great at the track......when i switched to much stiffer cusco zero2e's, the frt bar causes excessive understeer. i wouldnt run a bar this big with stiff coilovers. otherwise, i'd like to see what it does for everyone else!
| thesmokingman | 01-28-2006 03:08 AM |
[QUOTE=VpointVick]Wagon swaybars are narrower than sedan/STi bars, and the endlink pickup points on the control arms are of a different design, peventing the use of Strano's endlink brackets.[/QUOTE]
Question: what if on a wagon you are using gc alu arms? I'm thinking that the 4(j/k) of us that run these arms can...?
Question: what if on a wagon you are using gc alu arms? I'm thinking that the 4(j/k) of us that run these arms can...?
| VpointVick | 01-28-2006 06:56 AM |
[QUOTE=thesmokingman]Question: what if on a wagon you are using gc alu arms? I'm thinking that the 4(j/k) of us that run these arms can...?[/QUOTE]
I don't know if the sedan bar would fit in your case, although if I were in your shoes, I would be 100 times more likely to experiment with it.
I don't know if the sedan bar would fit in your case, although if I were in your shoes, I would be 100 times more likely to experiment with it.
| VpointVick | 01-28-2006 07:03 AM |
[QUOTE=WgnWheel]a bar that big would cause my wagon to push straight off the track! i have the whiteline frt and when i had tein basics, the car worked great at the track......when i switched to much stiffer cusco zero2e's, the frt bar causes excessive understeer. i wouldnt run a bar this big with stiff coilovers. otherwise, i'd like to see what it does for everyone else![/QUOTE]
You wouldn't get the benefit from this bar that those of us with softer springs will see. You're already controling the body roll with high spring rate.
This bar is going to be perfect for folks unwilling to live with a super-harsh ride, or people running in Stock classes where they aren't allowed to change springs.
You wouldn't get the benefit from this bar that those of us with softer springs will see. You're already controling the body roll with high spring rate.
This bar is going to be perfect for folks unwilling to live with a super-harsh ride, or people running in Stock classes where they aren't allowed to change springs.
| speedyHAM | 01-28-2006 12:57 PM |
I'd be interested in trying one, depending on price of course.
| VpointVick | 01-28-2006 06:22 PM |
The sedan bar is $199, I don't see why it wouldn't be in that ballpark.
| VpointVick | 01-29-2006 06:46 PM |
Bump!
| VpointVick | 01-30-2006 12:50 PM |
Bump for a big sway bar!
| kenny08 | 01-31-2006 06:58 AM |
so what benefits does a fsb that big have?
| VpointVick | 01-31-2006 07:35 AM |
By controlling body roll you limit camber loss, keeping more of the front tires in contact with the ground, thereby reducing understeer.
This photo is a good example of camber loss
[IMG]http://images5.fotki.com/v67/photos/4/43793/818953/camberstudy2-vi.jpg[/IMG]
This car has -3.25 degrees of static camber, but look at what is happening to the tire, relative to the ground, when cornering. This car has since been fixed by increasing spring rate to control body roll, but a large sway bar would accomplish the same thing without unnecessarily harsh ride.
Camber loss shows itself as the wear you see on the outside edges of your front tires after driving hard. If you're riding up on the edges of your tires you obviously aren't going to get as much grip.
There is a pretty lengthy discussion on the benefits of the bar, as used on sedans and STi's, in the thread I linked in my first post.
This photo is a good example of camber loss
[IMG]http://images5.fotki.com/v67/photos/4/43793/818953/camberstudy2-vi.jpg[/IMG]
This car has -3.25 degrees of static camber, but look at what is happening to the tire, relative to the ground, when cornering. This car has since been fixed by increasing spring rate to control body roll, but a large sway bar would accomplish the same thing without unnecessarily harsh ride.
Camber loss shows itself as the wear you see on the outside edges of your front tires after driving hard. If you're riding up on the edges of your tires you obviously aren't going to get as much grip.
There is a pretty lengthy discussion on the benefits of the bar, as used on sedans and STi's, in the thread I linked in my first post.
| makofoto | 01-31-2006 12:52 PM |
[IMG]http://images12.fotki.com/v241/photos/4/43793/2786343/FrontrearLiftMako-vi.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images14.fotki.com/v223/photos/4/43793/2786343/RearMakoLift-vi.jpg[/IMG]
My car now ... still with 24.5 mm hollow Hotchkis bars, equal to about 22 mm solid, but now with 650 lb springs in front, plus a good -4 camber and + 6 caster. The added caster helps preserve the negative camber when our wheels are turned.
Where as thicker sway bars would help limit roll, stiffer springs ALSO limit pitching under braking which sway bars don't effect. If your car is pitched down under heavy braking the springs and struts have to move the car further to get to your cornering attitude. Not as good as having stiffer springs and the proper struts controlling "everything."
I could probably benefit from a bit stiffer front sway bar. But I'm trying to maintain my independent suspension. ;)
[IMG]http://images14.fotki.com/v223/photos/4/43793/2786343/RearMakoLift-vi.jpg[/IMG]
My car now ... still with 24.5 mm hollow Hotchkis bars, equal to about 22 mm solid, but now with 650 lb springs in front, plus a good -4 camber and + 6 caster. The added caster helps preserve the negative camber when our wheels are turned.
Where as thicker sway bars would help limit roll, stiffer springs ALSO limit pitching under braking which sway bars don't effect. If your car is pitched down under heavy braking the springs and struts have to move the car further to get to your cornering attitude. Not as good as having stiffer springs and the proper struts controlling "everything."
I could probably benefit from a bit stiffer front sway bar. But I'm trying to maintain my independent suspension. ;)
| VpointVick | 01-31-2006 12:57 PM |
Again, this bar is going to most benefit those running in Stock classes, where they cannot change spring rates. :)
| draggin wagon04 | 01-31-2006 02:13 PM |
I'd sell my whiteline Adj FSB immediately and get the Strano if it were available.
| Bonjo2 | 01-31-2006 05:18 PM |
Count me in. Bar only if possible. I might just do the sedan bar.
I'd like to make a subframe brace similar to the ones run in the rears of may honda/acuras that ties/replaces the jack plate and connects 4 of the subframe mounts, and would provide a flat mount surface for HD+Cheap Energy suspension swaybar mounts. I had to something similar on another car due to a 1" bar breaking the stock brackets out from the crossmember.
I know whis wouldn't fly for stock autocross, but might be a neat project for those classes and street drivers who want the big front bar, tighter chassis, and to drop 15lbs off the front end.
[URL=http://www.modacar.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/comptech3_bar.jpg]like this but in front[/URL]
I'd like to make a subframe brace similar to the ones run in the rears of may honda/acuras that ties/replaces the jack plate and connects 4 of the subframe mounts, and would provide a flat mount surface for HD+Cheap Energy suspension swaybar mounts. I had to something similar on another car due to a 1" bar breaking the stock brackets out from the crossmember.
I know whis wouldn't fly for stock autocross, but might be a neat project for those classes and street drivers who want the big front bar, tighter chassis, and to drop 15lbs off the front end.
[URL=http://www.modacar.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/comptech3_bar.jpg]like this but in front[/URL]
| makofoto | 01-31-2006 08:45 PM |
Just so you know ... that Subframe brace would probably put you into some sort of basically, "Race Car" SCCA Solo2 class! :eek:
| SharkWagon | 02-01-2006 10:53 AM |
I would be interested, I'm not sure I could commit to buying one this season though, next - definately. I wish this was an option when I bought the cobb bar, I looked and strano didn't seem to see enough interest in a wagon bar, so I got what was handy.
/start bitching
Stock class is uphill battle enough for WRX's, for wagons it seems almost crazy. I wanted something practical, that would be fun without voiding my warranty. I am starting to think I should have bought a protege5 and a 1st gen miata for the money I spent on my wrx.
/end bitching
/start bitching
Stock class is uphill battle enough for WRX's, for wagons it seems almost crazy. I wanted something practical, that would be fun without voiding my warranty. I am starting to think I should have bought a protege5 and a 1st gen miata for the money I spent on my wrx.
/end bitching
| VpointVick | 02-05-2006 01:53 PM |
Bump for anymore interest?
| sciolist | 02-05-2006 04:50 PM |
Seems like 26 would be enough to get the ball rolling.
| VpointVick | 02-05-2006 04:56 PM |
The ball is rolling. Sam is taking it to Addco, but, the more interest we show the better.
| sciolist | 02-05-2006 04:58 PM |
Okay, great. Have you talked to Sam about an ETA?
| VpointVick | 02-05-2006 09:58 PM |
He said it might take a little bit.
| bcblues | 02-05-2006 10:40 PM |
I spoke to Sam when I bought my FSB for my STi. He suggested I try his FSB with the stock rear first to see how it works. He recommended against going with too large a rear sway bar in an attempt to keep both rear tires on the ground. According to Sam, when the rear inside tire lifts in a turn, it causes far more dire consequences to handling than mere body roll could do.... Or something like that. I will see. Right now we are in the middle of bench racing season here in America's Outback. ;)
| Calamity Jesus | 02-05-2006 10:57 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Not only is it too big for the brackets. I think it may be too big for the subframe as well. However, I think with a swap you can run any of the JDM swaybars. As in, the ones made for the actually WRX.[/QUOTE] No kidding.. the 25mm bar barely fits, absolutely no room for 32mm. I installed my Addco Solid 25mm bar this afternoon. I've had it lying around since November.. finally got around to putting it on. I spent about an hour just trimming down the radius bushings so that they'd fit into my stock brackets (which also required a little grinding), since the ones that come with it are of the wrong type (designed for Legacy). I'm not pioneering anything.. it's been done many times, so don't bother telling me I'm gonna break something.
Now for a review:
Consider me the newest huge fan of the large FSB.
This is on a stock 99 2.5RS, which has had a Cusco 20-24 RSB for a little over a year (set on 22). On my winter tire setup (ContiExtremeContact 205/55/16), it feels like the only roll at this medium grip level is from the slightly soft sidewalls.
Lateral transitions are much easier now.. much more immediate and responsive.. no wallowing. I can still step the tail out with a little throttle lift, and on one particularly tight 180deg left bend (2nd gear), I actually crossed the double-yellow when exiting, as the car would normally push slightly under throttle. This caught me very off-guard that it would have such a dramatic effect at low speeds.
At no point did it feel 'tight' [SIZE=1](I appologize for the use of a NASCAR term, but "understeery" isn't a word :p)[/SIZE].. although it's much to early to say how it responds on track.
I can't comment on grip level as I obviously wasn't on a closed course and it will take me a little while to get used to the way in which the car reponds to low speed inputs. Right now it just feels weird to me.. stock-like ride, but stupid-stiff roll reduction. The car still feels comfortably composed across rippled tracks along dirt roads and over potholes.. slightly jittery, but not uncomfortable at all. :huh:
The car does feel slightly twitchy now, but that's probably because I've had a very slight toe-out for a while. The bar just seems to amplify the effects.
The bar came well packaged (from Addco) and shipped from [url=boxer4racing.com]Boxer4Racing[/url] via [url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member.php?u=13158]Prestige Motorsports[/url]. It has what looks like a nitride coating (irridescent gold) and came with appropriately sized brackets and bushings (which I then hacked :lol: ).
Install was a bitch because I needed to loosen and tighten the endlink bolts while the car was on the ground, and I don't have my ramps with me :(, and I needed to thread the bars out and in with a wheel off, so there was crawling underneath, raising, lowering and crawling underneath again.. it takes a bit longer than the RSB.
Good luck, wagon guys.. your roofracks are begging for huge swaybars. :D
Now for a review:
Consider me the newest huge fan of the large FSB.
This is on a stock 99 2.5RS, which has had a Cusco 20-24 RSB for a little over a year (set on 22). On my winter tire setup (ContiExtremeContact 205/55/16), it feels like the only roll at this medium grip level is from the slightly soft sidewalls.
Lateral transitions are much easier now.. much more immediate and responsive.. no wallowing. I can still step the tail out with a little throttle lift, and on one particularly tight 180deg left bend (2nd gear), I actually crossed the double-yellow when exiting, as the car would normally push slightly under throttle. This caught me very off-guard that it would have such a dramatic effect at low speeds.
At no point did it feel 'tight' [SIZE=1](I appologize for the use of a NASCAR term, but "understeery" isn't a word :p)[/SIZE].. although it's much to early to say how it responds on track.
I can't comment on grip level as I obviously wasn't on a closed course and it will take me a little while to get used to the way in which the car reponds to low speed inputs. Right now it just feels weird to me.. stock-like ride, but stupid-stiff roll reduction. The car still feels comfortably composed across rippled tracks along dirt roads and over potholes.. slightly jittery, but not uncomfortable at all. :huh:
The car does feel slightly twitchy now, but that's probably because I've had a very slight toe-out for a while. The bar just seems to amplify the effects.
The bar came well packaged (from Addco) and shipped from [url=boxer4racing.com]Boxer4Racing[/url] via [url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member.php?u=13158]Prestige Motorsports[/url]. It has what looks like a nitride coating (irridescent gold) and came with appropriately sized brackets and bushings (which I then hacked :lol: ).
Install was a bitch because I needed to loosen and tighten the endlink bolts while the car was on the ground, and I don't have my ramps with me :(, and I needed to thread the bars out and in with a wheel off, so there was crawling underneath, raising, lowering and crawling underneath again.. it takes a bit longer than the RSB.
Good luck, wagon guys.. your roofracks are begging for huge swaybars. :D
| Sideshowbob | 02-06-2006 10:52 AM |
I just installed my 22mm Rustline this weekend.
Wow, what a difference from 19mm to 22mm. I cannot believe I waited this long. The car feels much more balanced and stays so much flatter in the turns.
Anywho, that said, I think 26 or 28 is probably plenty given the way my rustline feels. But hey, what do I know?
Wow, what a difference from 19mm to 22mm. I cannot believe I waited this long. The car feels much more balanced and stays so much flatter in the turns.
Anywho, that said, I think 26 or 28 is probably plenty given the way my rustline feels. But hey, what do I know?
| VpointVick | 02-06-2006 12:57 PM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]I just installed my 22mm Rustline this weekend.
Wow, what a difference from 19mm to 22mm. I cannot believe I waited this long. The car feels much more balanced and stays so much flatter in the turns.
Anywho, that said, I think 26 or 28 is probably plenty given the way my rustline feels. But hey, what do I know?[/QUOTE]
The Strano bar is hollow, making it roughly equivilent to a 29mm solid bar.
Wow, what a difference from 19mm to 22mm. I cannot believe I waited this long. The car feels much more balanced and stays so much flatter in the turns.
Anywho, that said, I think 26 or 28 is probably plenty given the way my rustline feels. But hey, what do I know?[/QUOTE]
The Strano bar is hollow, making it roughly equivilent to a 29mm solid bar.
| bcblues | 02-06-2006 01:28 PM |
Here we go again!
| sciolist | 02-06-2006 02:14 PM |
Lol. Ain't the Internet great?
Hey, I scratched the paint on one of my rocker panels. Can I still run AS? Will the car pull to the side with the scratched panel? Should I take it in to the dealer for a camber kit?
Sam, please build this bar! :-)
Hey, I scratched the paint on one of my rocker panels. Can I still run AS? Will the car pull to the side with the scratched panel? Should I take it in to the dealer for a camber kit?
Sam, please build this bar! :-)
| omahasubaru | 02-09-2006 11:55 AM |
I voted back when there was only a few who replied. Just wanted to bump this up for even more interest/exposure.
I of course am very anxious to see this made. Especially since it should work on anyone with a GC/GM/GF chassis Impreza who has done a turbo engine swap with subframe (like myself).
Can't wait to see it happen. Doesn't have to be 29mm for me, 27mm would be sufficent. Hollow is a must IMHO, even if it drops the effectiveness just a little.
Anxious to get one on my car and see what this 'big front bar' craze is all about.
I of course am very anxious to see this made. Especially since it should work on anyone with a GC/GM/GF chassis Impreza who has done a turbo engine swap with subframe (like myself).
Can't wait to see it happen. Doesn't have to be 29mm for me, 27mm would be sufficent. Hollow is a must IMHO, even if it drops the effectiveness just a little.
Anxious to get one on my car and see what this 'big front bar' craze is all about.
| Sideshowbob | 02-09-2006 12:04 PM |
I would definitely be in for a 27mm bar, I still think 29mm (32mm hollow) is a but much
| sstrano | 02-09-2006 04:35 PM |
This isn't going to happen overnight guys. Once I get Addco to agree to do it for me, we'll have to arrange for a car to do fitment on. Once all that is worked out, they have to wait for a spot to open in production.
So, this is not a tomorrow or even a next month kind of thing. I'm interested, but it can't be rushed. :)
Don't worry... I'm watching.... And FWIW, I was already thinking of a somewhat lighter bar for the wagons for a number of reasons. But that's all down the road. I have to see what hollow tubing sizes we can do, and also what solid bar stock we can use and determine if any are appropriate (IMO) for the car.
So, this is not a tomorrow or even a next month kind of thing. I'm interested, but it can't be rushed. :)
Don't worry... I'm watching.... And FWIW, I was already thinking of a somewhat lighter bar for the wagons for a number of reasons. But that's all down the road. I have to see what hollow tubing sizes we can do, and also what solid bar stock we can use and determine if any are appropriate (IMO) for the car.
| VpointVick | 02-09-2006 04:47 PM |
My vote is for the 32mm.
We have more weight, placed higher than the sedans, we can use every bit as much roll resistance as they do.
Besides, if you go too small, the Whiteline 22mm solid, and the Hotchkiss/Cobb 25mm hollow bars are already available.
We have more weight, placed higher than the sedans, we can use every bit as much roll resistance as they do.
Besides, if you go too small, the Whiteline 22mm solid, and the Hotchkiss/Cobb 25mm hollow bars are already available.
| sciolist | 02-09-2006 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=sstrano]So, this is not a tomorrow or even a next month kind of thing. I'm interested, but it can't be rushed. :)[/QUOTE]
So, realistically it's not going to be a part of the prep for this season? I could hold off until early April, but there's got to be *some* working time in there. :)
So, realistically it's not going to be a part of the prep for this season? I could hold off until early April, but there's got to be *some* working time in there. :)
| sstrano | 02-09-2006 04:57 PM |
I was kind of thinking of a 30mm (though it might not be hollow).
Let's here the reasonings. I want to make the bar that will appeal to as many as possible. But I will not build one that is already around, or isn't going to work the way I think it should. :) So don't worry about more of the same, ain't gonna happen here.
Let's here the reasonings. I want to make the bar that will appeal to as many as possible. But I will not build one that is already around, or isn't going to work the way I think it should. :) So don't worry about more of the same, ain't gonna happen here.
| VpointVick | 02-09-2006 05:00 PM |
A 30mm solid would be fine with me, that should be even stiffer than your sedan bar.
| draggin wagon04 | 02-09-2006 05:08 PM |
This is great news!
| sciolist | 02-09-2006 05:28 PM |
Based on my experience with the 32mm bar on the STi, I think I would want the stiffness up in that range for the wagon bar... maybe a little less, but not much. Our wagon will be running in DS, so the rear of the car won't be nearly as stiff as my STi (BSP), but then we also won't have anywhere near as much camber in front on the wagon.
Seems like a hollow bar would make the most sense.
Seems like a hollow bar would make the most sense.
| sstrano | 02-09-2006 06:46 PM |
Hollow tubing isn't always readily available in all the sizes.... I'd rather have a bit heavier bar of a size that's "right" than the wrong size bar to save a few pounds. We want to save weight whenever we can, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. :)
I will try for hollow first, that I can promise. :) More feedback on a 30 bar please.
I will try for hollow first, that I can promise. :) More feedback on a 30 bar please.
| sciolist | 02-09-2006 07:00 PM |
Well... a 30mm hollow bar would probably end up about as stiff or a little stiffer than the stiffest bar that's currently (theoretically) available, and it would be lighter, so that's good all the way 'round - particularly if it's actually obtainable. :)
A 30mm solid bar would be at the top of the heap in terms of stiffness, and I would think also in terms of weight. Although, as Sam points out, a line has to be drawn at some point.
I believe the wagon bar will be shorter than the sedan bar, so that would be helpful on the weight side, if we did end up having to use solid stock.
We're already dealing with a substantial forward weight bias, which is why I keep harping on the heft. An extra #5 wouldn't really bug me on the rear of the car.
A 30mm solid bar would be at the top of the heap in terms of stiffness, and I would think also in terms of weight. Although, as Sam points out, a line has to be drawn at some point.
I believe the wagon bar will be shorter than the sedan bar, so that would be helpful on the weight side, if we did end up having to use solid stock.
We're already dealing with a substantial forward weight bias, which is why I keep harping on the heft. An extra #5 wouldn't really bug me on the rear of the car.
| omahasubaru | 02-10-2006 09:03 AM |
30mm solid sounds right to me.
Thanks again for doing this Sam. We know it will take some time, no one is expecting it to be out quickly.
Can't wait!
Thanks again for doing this Sam. We know it will take some time, no one is expecting it to be out quickly.
Can't wait!
| draggin wagon04 | 02-10-2006 09:23 AM |
30mm solid makes sense to me as I am a fan of everyday ruggedness on my daily driver. What kind of additional support will be required? I picked up new endlinks but nothing else when I installed the other FSB.
| SharkWagon | 03-09-2006 02:15 PM |
Sam et al -
Is this looking like a go? If so any idea of the timeframe and is it going to stay around the $200 mark? Thanks!
IBInquiringMindsWantToKnow
Is this looking like a go? If so any idea of the timeframe and is it going to stay around the $200 mark? Thanks!
IBInquiringMindsWantToKnow
| VpointVick | 03-09-2006 02:22 PM |
I haven't heard anything from Sam lately. He did say it might take a little while.
| sstrano | 03-09-2006 03:29 PM |
Have a call in to Addco now to see if I can convince them to do another custom bar for me.... If I get them to agree (and I have to show them I can sell some quantity, and this poll will help), it will need to be prototyped, tested before being put into production. That won't be a short (as in a couple weeks) process.
I have on convince them first. :) They've been so busy lately that anything "new" hasn't even been on the radar. But it's clear that there is some demand for such a bar, so I'm going to push the issue as best I can.
I have on convince them first. :) They've been so busy lately that anything "new" hasn't even been on the radar. But it's clear that there is some demand for such a bar, so I'm going to push the issue as best I can.
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