| dwx | 01-02-2003 09:49 AM |
I even included a picture for him to look at, pretty hard for him to "misinterpret" this...unless they changed the rules since last I looked, which might be possible or is it covered under a different rule? I stayed away from the "bushing" question at the time just to make sure replacing the part in any way was legal.
[Quote]
Mr. Bedard,
The rule you quoted was discussed at length at a recent SEB meeting with the
conclusion being that this rule is primarily for live or solid axle cars.
For an independent type suspension all these components would be considered
control arms. Therefore these parts would not be legal in ST.
Hope this helps.
Howard Duncan
SCCA Director of Program Development
303-779-6622, FAX 303-694-3654
1-800-770-2055
[QUOTE]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Bedard [mailto:[email�protected]]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:36 PM
> To: [email][email�protected][/email]
> Subject: Rule clarification
>
>
> I need a rule clarified regarding the WRX in STX.
> There exists a
> rear trailing/lateral link kit for the WRX made by STi (Subaru tuning
> division). Right now I'm running in SM with the kit as I didn't think
> it was an allowable mod in either STX or SP classes. The
> rule is under
> 17.8.D which reads:
>
> Addition or replacement of suspension stabilizers (linkage connecting
> axle or De Dion to the chassis which controls lateral suspension
> location) is permitted. Traction bars or torque arms may be added or
> replaced. A Panhard rod may be added or replaced. Methods of
> attachment
> and attachment points are unrestricted.
>
> The construction of the links are identical to the
> stock ones only
> they contain stiffer bushings in all the bushing points. I guess my
> question regards the part "linking connecting axle" since these are
> stabilizers that connect the axle to the chassis. Or are these
> considered rear control arms and not stabilizers. Some seem to think
> that they are covered under the above rule. Here is a picture that is
> web-accessible so you can see what they are and the layout of the WRX
> rear suspension. (yes they are really hot pink or as STi says "cherry
> red") :).
>
> [url]http://www.execpc.com/~pbedard/suspension.jpg[/url]
[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
[Quote]
Mr. Bedard,
The rule you quoted was discussed at length at a recent SEB meeting with the
conclusion being that this rule is primarily for live or solid axle cars.
For an independent type suspension all these components would be considered
control arms. Therefore these parts would not be legal in ST.
Hope this helps.
Howard Duncan
SCCA Director of Program Development
303-779-6622, FAX 303-694-3654
1-800-770-2055
[QUOTE]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Bedard [mailto:[email�protected]]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:36 PM
> To: [email][email�protected][/email]
> Subject: Rule clarification
>
>
> I need a rule clarified regarding the WRX in STX.
> There exists a
> rear trailing/lateral link kit for the WRX made by STi (Subaru tuning
> division). Right now I'm running in SM with the kit as I didn't think
> it was an allowable mod in either STX or SP classes. The
> rule is under
> 17.8.D which reads:
>
> Addition or replacement of suspension stabilizers (linkage connecting
> axle or De Dion to the chassis which controls lateral suspension
> location) is permitted. Traction bars or torque arms may be added or
> replaced. A Panhard rod may be added or replaced. Methods of
> attachment
> and attachment points are unrestricted.
>
> The construction of the links are identical to the
> stock ones only
> they contain stiffer bushings in all the bushing points. I guess my
> question regards the part "linking connecting axle" since these are
> stabilizers that connect the axle to the chassis. Or are these
> considered rear control arms and not stabilizers. Some seem to think
> that they are covered under the above rule. Here is a picture that is
> web-accessible so you can see what they are and the layout of the WRX
> rear suspension. (yes they are really hot pink or as STi says "cherry
> red") :).
>
> [url]http://www.execpc.com/~pbedard/suspension.jpg[/url]
[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
| trhoppe | 01-02-2003 10:21 AM |
Well just replace the bushings eh!
| zzyzx | 01-02-2003 07:47 PM |
That's wonderfull, I just write up a long reply and the post is gone... :rolleyes:
- Steve
- Steve
| mlambert | 01-02-2003 08:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]That's wonderfull, I just write up a long reply and the post is gone... :rolleyes:
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
ive noticed that about 25% of my posts just dont show up...i stopped worrying about it awhile ago cause i really dont care all that much :p
[B]That's wonderfull, I just write up a long reply and the post is gone... :rolleyes:
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
ive noticed that about 25% of my posts just dont show up...i stopped worrying about it awhile ago cause i really dont care all that much :p
| rex n effect | 01-03-2003 02:23 AM |
Hey guys,
I'd be very interested in a group buy on a light weight 17x8 wheel if somebody can source them. I know SSR makes the "type C" in 17x8 and I think 45 offset. CE28n is also nice.
I'd be very interested in a group buy on a light weight 17x8 wheel if somebody can source them. I know SSR makes the "type C" in 17x8 and I think 45 offset. CE28n is also nice.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-03-2003 01:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sleepy-scoobie [/i]
[B]If you guys are serious, I'll ask my contact what we can get for 3 sets (or more) of the Volk TE37 in 17x8 +46 and/or the Volk CE28N in 17x8 +44. Last time I spoke to him, I could get a set for a little under $1700 for each set of 4 17x8.5's without tires. The 17x8 will be a little cheaper. Not cheap, but the best deal I've gotten on new Volks.[/B][/QUOTE]
I am serious. I left a message for my contact last night, but they are closed for the holidays and inventory until 1/7/03. I will let you know what I get back from him. In the meantime, why don't you see what your guy can do.
[B]If you guys are serious, I'll ask my contact what we can get for 3 sets (or more) of the Volk TE37 in 17x8 +46 and/or the Volk CE28N in 17x8 +44. Last time I spoke to him, I could get a set for a little under $1700 for each set of 4 17x8.5's without tires. The 17x8 will be a little cheaper. Not cheap, but the best deal I've gotten on new Volks.[/B][/QUOTE]
I am serious. I left a message for my contact last night, but they are closed for the holidays and inventory until 1/7/03. I will let you know what I get back from him. In the meantime, why don't you see what your guy can do.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-03-2003 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rex n effect [/i]
[B]Hey guys,
I'd be very interested in a group buy on a light weight 17x8 wheel if somebody can source them. I know SSR makes the "type C" in 17x8 and I think 45 offset. CE28n is also nice. [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell me more about this size for the SSR. I did not think they had a wheel available. Weight? Price? Availability?
[B]Hey guys,
I'd be very interested in a group buy on a light weight 17x8 wheel if somebody can source them. I know SSR makes the "type C" in 17x8 and I think 45 offset. CE28n is also nice. [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell me more about this size for the SSR. I did not think they had a wheel available. Weight? Price? Availability?
| TheWRX | 01-03-2003 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AUTOwrXER [/i]
[B]Tell me more about this size for the SSR.[/B][/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/377[/URL]: 17x8" SSR Type-C, 5x100 bolt battern, 48mm offset, 13.1 lbs, available in gold and white.
[B]Tell me more about this size for the SSR.[/B][/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/377[/URL]: 17x8" SSR Type-C, 5x100 bolt battern, 48mm offset, 13.1 lbs, available in gold and white.
| KC | 01-03-2003 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWRX [/i]
[B]
[URL]http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/377[/URL]: 17x8" SSR Type-C, 5x100 bolt battern, 48mm offset, 13.1 lbs, available in gold and white. [/B][/QUOTE]I would question the offset on that... may be too high. 48's good for a 7.5" wheel.. but an 8? Hmmmm.... I would think a 45 would be better.
[B]
[URL]http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/377[/URL]: 17x8" SSR Type-C, 5x100 bolt battern, 48mm offset, 13.1 lbs, available in gold and white. [/B][/QUOTE]I would question the offset on that... may be too high. 48's good for a 7.5" wheel.. but an 8? Hmmmm.... I would think a 45 would be better.
| Dussander | 01-03-2003 03:55 PM |
I think the 7.5 SSR comp has an offset of 51.
| rex n effect | 01-03-2003 04:05 PM |
I thought tirerack carries an 18x8 SSR with a 50 offset, and people have no rubbing issues with a 225 tire on those rims. A 245 tire may be a different story. Maybe you could use a 3 mm spacer with a 17x8 48mm offset wheel if there is any rubbing on the strut. Can anybody get the 17x8 SSRs? I sent an email to luke (tirerack) begging him to carry them. Maybe he'll listen.
| trhoppe | 01-03-2003 04:17 PM |
Can you guys still explain to me the rationale of getting the SSRs instead of the 17x7.5 Rotas??
I still dont get it. They are 3X the price and only 2lbs lighter.
I still dont get it. They are 3X the price and only 2lbs lighter.
| Dussander | 01-03-2003 06:05 PM |
I'll explain my case. I bought them before the SubZeros were available, they look freaking great, and even though it's only 2lbs, that is 15% lighter. If I can get away with it, I'll run the SSRs under the car for AutoX and track and run the (new) SubZeros on the street if not, I'll go the other way.
From a strictly budget/AutoX perspective the SubZeros make way more sense then the SSRs/Volk/etc.
The Rota Attacks are off my list because they don't clear StopTech brakes (if I recall correctly). I don't have StopTech brakes, but I don't want to rule them out.
edit: Actually the Attacks are suppose to fit under the StopTech. Hum, maybe I should go change my order. :)
From a strictly budget/AutoX perspective the SubZeros make way more sense then the SSRs/Volk/etc.
The Rota Attacks are off my list because they don't clear StopTech brakes (if I recall correctly). I don't have StopTech brakes, but I don't want to rule them out.
edit: Actually the Attacks are suppose to fit under the StopTech. Hum, maybe I should go change my order. :)
| zzyzx | 01-03-2003 08:15 PM |
Here's the Cliff's Notes ver of what I tried to post the other day:
1) It's a toss up between 16 and 17 for 245, and in stock diameter or less, neither provide a variety of options. 245/40-17 KD cost $238 and that's a little extreme.
2) Do to off-boost issues on running a 245/45-17, the Falken in this size is not an option. A GC8 RS, however could and you should be afraid, very afraid... ;) Also, regarding cars like Type Rs can't fit the serious rubber on, their history... outta here, bye bye baby.
3) Tires weigh more than wheels - where it matters. Think polar moment. That said, I think a 245/40-17 is better than a 245/45-16 on this issue. (This doesn't apply to real race tires like Hoosiers...)
On to current topics:
17x7.5 SSR Comps have a +50 offset
The total weight of the wheel tire combo is important. A 15% differance could shave 0.001 per run off. Over two days competition this is 0.002 seconds which is twice the amount I missed 4th by. :rolleyes: :lol:
Every little bit adds up, I'm afraid...
- Steve
1) It's a toss up between 16 and 17 for 245, and in stock diameter or less, neither provide a variety of options. 245/40-17 KD cost $238 and that's a little extreme.
2) Do to off-boost issues on running a 245/45-17, the Falken in this size is not an option. A GC8 RS, however could and you should be afraid, very afraid... ;) Also, regarding cars like Type Rs can't fit the serious rubber on, their history... outta here, bye bye baby.
3) Tires weigh more than wheels - where it matters. Think polar moment. That said, I think a 245/40-17 is better than a 245/45-16 on this issue. (This doesn't apply to real race tires like Hoosiers...)
On to current topics:
17x7.5 SSR Comps have a +50 offset
The total weight of the wheel tire combo is important. A 15% differance could shave 0.001 per run off. Over two days competition this is 0.002 seconds which is twice the amount I missed 4th by. :rolleyes: :lol:
Every little bit adds up, I'm afraid...
- Steve
| Subdued | 01-03-2003 08:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]I would question the offset on that... may be too high. 48's good for a 7.5" wheel.. but an 8? Hmmmm.... I would think a 45 would be better. [/B][/QUOTE]Why would you want less offset on a wider wheel? You will just end up pushing it out into the fender. If the 7.5" with a 48 offset doesn't rub the strut then a 8" with the same offset and same tire would have even more room between the tire and strut. Just wait for Tom to post evidence of his glorious accomplishments with the Rota's.
[B]I would question the offset on that... may be too high. 48's good for a 7.5" wheel.. but an 8? Hmmmm.... I would think a 45 would be better. [/B][/QUOTE]Why would you want less offset on a wider wheel? You will just end up pushing it out into the fender. If the 7.5" with a 48 offset doesn't rub the strut then a 8" with the same offset and same tire would have even more room between the tire and strut. Just wait for Tom to post evidence of his glorious accomplishments with the Rota's.
| KC | 01-03-2003 08:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]Why would you want less offset on a wider wheel? You will just end up pushing it out into the fender. If the 7.5" with a 48 offset doesn't rub the strut then a 8" with the same offset and same tire would have even more room between the tire and strut. Just wait for Tom to post evidence of his glorious accomplishments with the Rota's. [/B][/QUOTE]I've understood it that a lower offset will do just that.. push the wheel out a little away from the the strut. You want this because what happens is the width of the rim usually is pushed inwards toward the struts, and towards the outside... because it's wider. :) Sure the wheel will fit, but once you mount the wider tire on the wheel, all bets are off. :)
A 50 offset (remember this offset sits more inwards under the wheel well) at 8" will RUB against the strut whereas a 45 probably will not... but will require rolling of the fenders to get the proper outside clearance. This is why we're waiting on the gunia pig, I mean Tom's 1st event to see how they work. :)
One more example. A 53 offset WRX rim (6.5") has about 30mm of clearance. Now add 1" of width what happens? (think rota 7.5" with 48 offset.) 1/2" inwards and 1/2" outwards (simplicity here) You just lost that 30mm and you're down to about 5 mm clearance. A 50 offset would sit inwards towards the strut and will not fit.
Now add another .5" of rim to 8". 1/4" each way on a 48 offset still. You'll rub. You just ran out of space between the wheel and the strut. Again.. this all comes down to tire selection too. A thinner tire will yeild different results. Then you need to move to a lower offset to push the wheel out more to prevent the tire rubbing against the strut. :)
IMHO AFAIK Etc... :D
[B]Why would you want less offset on a wider wheel? You will just end up pushing it out into the fender. If the 7.5" with a 48 offset doesn't rub the strut then a 8" with the same offset and same tire would have even more room between the tire and strut. Just wait for Tom to post evidence of his glorious accomplishments with the Rota's. [/B][/QUOTE]I've understood it that a lower offset will do just that.. push the wheel out a little away from the the strut. You want this because what happens is the width of the rim usually is pushed inwards toward the struts, and towards the outside... because it's wider. :) Sure the wheel will fit, but once you mount the wider tire on the wheel, all bets are off. :)
A 50 offset (remember this offset sits more inwards under the wheel well) at 8" will RUB against the strut whereas a 45 probably will not... but will require rolling of the fenders to get the proper outside clearance. This is why we're waiting on the gunia pig, I mean Tom's 1st event to see how they work. :)
One more example. A 53 offset WRX rim (6.5") has about 30mm of clearance. Now add 1" of width what happens? (think rota 7.5" with 48 offset.) 1/2" inwards and 1/2" outwards (simplicity here) You just lost that 30mm and you're down to about 5 mm clearance. A 50 offset would sit inwards towards the strut and will not fit.
Now add another .5" of rim to 8". 1/4" each way on a 48 offset still. You'll rub. You just ran out of space between the wheel and the strut. Again.. this all comes down to tire selection too. A thinner tire will yeild different results. Then you need to move to a lower offset to push the wheel out more to prevent the tire rubbing against the strut. :)
IMHO AFAIK Etc... :D
| rex n effect | 01-03-2003 09:08 PM |
Subdued:
an 8" wheel with the same offset as a 7.5" wheel will be 1/4 inch CLOSER to the strut and 1/4" CLOSER to the fender. How could it be farther from the strut?
to the question of why won't rotas work:
They don't make a 17x8 wheel, the thinnest wheel necessary to safely run 235 or 245 tires.
There's a good reason why the people here who know what they are talking about would like a lightweight 17x8 wheel with about a 45mm offset. Can we get one, please?
A little (not so) secret...Nino from the vendor's forum is thinking about importing an enkie wheel that is 17x8 45mm offset, weighs near 15.5 lbs, and costs under 1000 for the set if he can get a group buy together. I think it's pretty good lookin' too. Search there for nino and you will find it, with pictures. If he does it, I'll probably buy those.
an 8" wheel with the same offset as a 7.5" wheel will be 1/4 inch CLOSER to the strut and 1/4" CLOSER to the fender. How could it be farther from the strut?
to the question of why won't rotas work:
They don't make a 17x8 wheel, the thinnest wheel necessary to safely run 235 or 245 tires.
There's a good reason why the people here who know what they are talking about would like a lightweight 17x8 wheel with about a 45mm offset. Can we get one, please?
A little (not so) secret...Nino from the vendor's forum is thinking about importing an enkie wheel that is 17x8 45mm offset, weighs near 15.5 lbs, and costs under 1000 for the set if he can get a group buy together. I think it's pretty good lookin' too. Search there for nino and you will find it, with pictures. If he does it, I'll probably buy those.
| Subdued | 01-03-2003 09:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]A 50 offset (remember this offset sits more inwards under the wheel well) at 8" will RUB against the strut whereas a 45 probably will not... but will require rolling of the fenders to get the proper outside clearance. This is why we're waiting on the gunia pig, I mean Tom's 1st event to see how they work. :)[/B][/QUOTE]Sorry KC, my bad. I was thinking backspacing and not offset. I am still thinking I am looking for wheels to put on my old 67 Camaro. :o
[B]A 50 offset (remember this offset sits more inwards under the wheel well) at 8" will RUB against the strut whereas a 45 probably will not... but will require rolling of the fenders to get the proper outside clearance. This is why we're waiting on the gunia pig, I mean Tom's 1st event to see how they work. :)[/B][/QUOTE]Sorry KC, my bad. I was thinking backspacing and not offset. I am still thinking I am looking for wheels to put on my old 67 Camaro. :o
| Subdued | 01-03-2003 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rex n effect [/i]
[B]A little (not so) secret...Nino from the vendor's forum is thinking about importing an enkie wheel that is 17x8 45mm offset, weighs near 15.5 lbs, and costs under 1000 for the set if he can get a group buy together. I think it's pretty good lookin' too. Search there for nino and you will find it, with pictures. If he does it, I'll probably buy those. [/B][/QUOTE]I am also on that list, but not holding my breath. It would seem like a very good solution to this problem.
[B]A little (not so) secret...Nino from the vendor's forum is thinking about importing an enkie wheel that is 17x8 45mm offset, weighs near 15.5 lbs, and costs under 1000 for the set if he can get a group buy together. I think it's pretty good lookin' too. Search there for nino and you will find it, with pictures. If he does it, I'll probably buy those. [/B][/QUOTE]I am also on that list, but not holding my breath. It would seem like a very good solution to this problem.
| KC | 01-03-2003 09:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]Sorry KC, my bad. I was thinking backspacing and not offset. I am still thinking I am looking for wheels to put on my old 67 Camaro. :o [/B][/QUOTE]Hey no problem. :) Still good info to have and I'm gonna try and re-write it to make it a little more clear because this is a question that is brought up every now and then. :)
--KC
[B]Sorry KC, my bad. I was thinking backspacing and not offset. I am still thinking I am looking for wheels to put on my old 67 Camaro. :o [/B][/QUOTE]Hey no problem. :) Still good info to have and I'm gonna try and re-write it to make it a little more clear because this is a question that is brought up every now and then. :)
--KC
| trhoppe | 01-03-2003 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE]to the question of why won't rotas work: They don't make a 17x8 wheel, the thinnest wheel necessary to safely run 235 or 245 tires.There's a good reason why the people here who know what they are talking about would like a lightweight 17x8 wheel
[/QUOTE] Hehe, I guess I don't know what Im talking about then ;)
And those 245 Kumhos that I tried last year, didnt really fit on my 6.5" stock wheels. riiiiiiight :lol:
-Tom
[/QUOTE] Hehe, I guess I don't know what Im talking about then ;)
And those 245 Kumhos that I tried last year, didnt really fit on my 6.5" stock wheels. riiiiiiight :lol:
-Tom
| zzyzx | 01-03-2003 10:11 PM |
Yeah, gotta love those guys that have a hankerin' to put us in our place, eh? :lol:
- Steve
- Steve
| Dussander | 01-03-2003 11:23 PM |
A note about space: I have 225/45-17 Azenis on my 50+ offset SSRs with Tein coilovers set to the recommended ride height (pretty low). To me, it looks like I have more room between the tire and the coilover then the tire and the fender. I'm talking about the rear here since that seems to be more of a problem.
(goes in garage and measures) I definetly seem to have +10mm of space between the tire and the strut at the moment. The 245s sure would be easier to fit under the car if they came with the corners pre-rounded. :)
(Goes and rereads sections of this thread)
It looks like the BFG 245 is 0.7inches or 17.8mms wider then the Azenis. 8.9mms per side, those should fit pretty well actually.
just a data point.
(goes in garage and measures) I definetly seem to have +10mm of space between the tire and the strut at the moment. The 245s sure would be easier to fit under the car if they came with the corners pre-rounded. :)
(Goes and rereads sections of this thread)
It looks like the BFG 245 is 0.7inches or 17.8mms wider then the Azenis. 8.9mms per side, those should fit pretty well actually.
just a data point.
| rex n effect | 01-04-2003 03:30 AM |
thanks dussander
that means that 48 offset 'might' be ok. I'd really like to see somebody with 245s on their car. I have seen 235s on Advan 17x8.5s (offset 45mm) with only minor fender rolling...(no strut rubbing). Let me know who has really seen 245s.
that means that 48 offset 'might' be ok. I'd really like to see somebody with 245s on their car. I have seen 235s on Advan 17x8.5s (offset 45mm) with only minor fender rolling...(no strut rubbing). Let me know who has really seen 245s.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-06-2003 10:48 AM |
Has anyone been able to find weight information on the Kuhmo MX vs. the BFG KD (245/40/17)? Hopefully they are both lighter than the Azenis. Those are the heaviest damn tires I've ever seen.
| MNbiker | 01-06-2003 08:44 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AUTOwrXER [/i]
[B]Has anyone been able to find weight information on the Kuhmo MX vs. the BFG KD (245/40/17)? Hopefully they are both lighter than the Azenis. Those are the heaviest damn tires I've ever seen. [/B][/QUOTE]
The Kumho MX 245/40R17 is 23.0 lbs
pretty light...now if I could only figure out how to squeeze them under a wagon!
--Steve
[B]Has anyone been able to find weight information on the Kuhmo MX vs. the BFG KD (245/40/17)? Hopefully they are both lighter than the Azenis. Those are the heaviest damn tires I've ever seen. [/B][/QUOTE]
The Kumho MX 245/40R17 is 23.0 lbs
pretty light...now if I could only figure out how to squeeze them under a wagon!
--Steve
| Subdued | 01-08-2003 11:58 PM |
I thought I would add a little something to this thread since it was looking a bit old. If this company is legit it would seem to be the lowest price I have seen yet on the KD's. 254/40/17 for $204?
[url]http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/BFG_G-Force_TA_KD.html[/url]
[url]http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/BFG_G-Force_TA_KD.html[/url]
| trhoppe | 01-09-2003 12:41 AM |
Wow, thats cheap.
I ended up paying $228 for mine mounted and balanced with a "middle of life" inside out flip for free, from discount tire here in town. I let them fight it out with Tire Rack for my business and they won.
Of course the damn wheels still arent here so I don't know if they fit :rolleyes:
-Tom
I ended up paying $228 for mine mounted and balanced with a "middle of life" inside out flip for free, from discount tire here in town. I let them fight it out with Tire Rack for my business and they won.
Of course the damn wheels still arent here so I don't know if they fit :rolleyes:
-Tom
| ChrisW | 01-09-2003 01:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Wow, thats cheap.
I ended up paying $228 for mine mounted and balanced with a "middle of life" inside out flip for free, from discount tire here in town. I let them fight it out with Tire Rack for my business and they won.
Of course the damn wheels still arent here so I don't know if they fit :rolleyes:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom,
what kind of wheels are you waiting for?
[B]Wow, thats cheap.
I ended up paying $228 for mine mounted and balanced with a "middle of life" inside out flip for free, from discount tire here in town. I let them fight it out with Tire Rack for my business and they won.
Of course the damn wheels still arent here so I don't know if they fit :rolleyes:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom,
what kind of wheels are you waiting for?
| Dussander | 01-09-2003 10:41 AM |
FYI,
I found cheaper KDs on the net, but they were all out of stock until April or something stupid like that so I had to order from tirerack.
Tom is waiting for Rota Attacks.
I found cheaper KDs on the net, but they were all out of stock until April or something stupid like that so I had to order from tirerack.
Tom is waiting for Rota Attacks.
| Subdued | 01-09-2003 11:57 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]FYI,
I found cheaper KDs on the net, but they were all out of stock until April or something stupid like that so I had to order from tirerack.
Tom is waiting for Rota Attacks. [/B][/QUOTE]So, where was this place on the Net? Maybe my tire budget will be rejuvenated by April.
[B]FYI,
I found cheaper KDs on the net, but they were all out of stock until April or something stupid like that so I had to order from tirerack.
Tom is waiting for Rota Attacks. [/B][/QUOTE]So, where was this place on the Net? Maybe my tire budget will be rejuvenated by April.
| Dussander | 01-09-2003 02:00 PM |
[QUOTE]So, where was this place on the Net? Maybe my tire
budget will be rejuvenated by April.[/QUOTE]
I intended to say, I found them on the Net cheaper then tirerack. I actually found them at 1010tires.com for 205.99 each. I couldn't wait until April, so I paid the insane amount on tirerack. Those things better fit under my car and they better kick some ass. ;) (can you say ass on this board?)
budget will be rejuvenated by April.[/QUOTE]
I intended to say, I found them on the Net cheaper then tirerack. I actually found them at 1010tires.com for 205.99 each. I couldn't wait until April, so I paid the insane amount on tirerack. Those things better fit under my car and they better kick some ass. ;) (can you say ass on this board?)
| Subdued | 01-10-2003 08:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]
I intended to say, I found them on the Net cheaper then tirerack. I actually found them at 1010tires.com for 205.99 each. I couldn't wait until April, so I paid the insane amount on tirerack. Those things better fit under my car and they better kick some ass. ;) (can you say ass on this board?) [/B][/QUOTE]It appears as though they have raised there price now. Makes you wonder how much the retailers are actually paying for these tires.
[B]
I intended to say, I found them on the Net cheaper then tirerack. I actually found them at 1010tires.com for 205.99 each. I couldn't wait until April, so I paid the insane amount on tirerack. Those things better fit under my car and they better kick some ass. ;) (can you say ass on this board?) [/B][/QUOTE]It appears as though they have raised there price now. Makes you wonder how much the retailers are actually paying for these tires.
| Dussander | 01-10-2003 11:52 AM |
Holy cow! They raised it to $230.00 since my post!?
| trhoppe | 01-10-2003 11:58 AM |
Yup, might have been a typo on their part. I know for sure that they (tire dealers) do not make a lot of $$ on this tire. I spoke to BFG and they admitted that they rip people on this tire and will try to get the price down for 03. I don't know if you people remember, but they were $250 a tire from tire rack 6 months ago. They are not $238. Not much, but every little bit counts.
-Tom
-Tom
| Dussander | 01-11-2003 05:15 PM |
My BFG KD 245s are on!
See pics below.
Note: I have SSR Competition wheels, Tein RA coilover at their recommend ride hide (too low for most people). The SSRs have an offset of 50.
I threw them on and have driven about 30 miles on them today. I haven't found any rubbing yet. They clear the struts easily. They look like they would hit the rear fenders if the strut compressed enough, but I was unable to do it on the street. Of course it always looked like my 225 Azenis would hit as well, so I'm not worried about it. Note, I have not rolled my fenders, but I did take off that black rubber crap off the edge of the rear fenders. The 245s on the 7.5 inch wheels are a little more "squishy" then 225s obviously, but nothing to worry about.
I noticed when I was putting on my new brake lines a couple of weeks ago that I have some minor rubbing on the inside of the wheel well under full lock with my 225 Azenis. I thought maybe it only happened when I AutoXed and have my AutoX camber (-2.5 or more) but I noticed it has taken off some of my last RallyX dirt as well so aparently I sometimes rub with my street camber since the RallyX was after my last AutoX event. I took a picture of the rubbed parts. Nothing I'm going to worry about.
Weight:
I intended to weight the tires before I had them mounted, but I forgot. I will weight the tire/wheel combo when I get my Rotas in and get my Azenis mounted on the Rotas. The Rotas/Azenis will be for the street.
See pics below.
Note: I have SSR Competition wheels, Tein RA coilover at their recommend ride hide (too low for most people). The SSRs have an offset of 50.
I threw them on and have driven about 30 miles on them today. I haven't found any rubbing yet. They clear the struts easily. They look like they would hit the rear fenders if the strut compressed enough, but I was unable to do it on the street. Of course it always looked like my 225 Azenis would hit as well, so I'm not worried about it. Note, I have not rolled my fenders, but I did take off that black rubber crap off the edge of the rear fenders. The 245s on the 7.5 inch wheels are a little more "squishy" then 225s obviously, but nothing to worry about.
I noticed when I was putting on my new brake lines a couple of weeks ago that I have some minor rubbing on the inside of the wheel well under full lock with my 225 Azenis. I thought maybe it only happened when I AutoXed and have my AutoX camber (-2.5 or more) but I noticed it has taken off some of my last RallyX dirt as well so aparently I sometimes rub with my street camber since the RallyX was after my last AutoX event. I took a picture of the rubbed parts. Nothing I'm going to worry about.
Weight:
I intended to weight the tires before I had them mounted, but I forgot. I will weight the tire/wheel combo when I get my Rotas in and get my Azenis mounted on the Rotas. The Rotas/Azenis will be for the street.
| trhoppe | 01-11-2003 06:17 PM |
Hmmm, so a 48 offset will push it out 2 more mm right?
I guess I might have to roll the fenders with the 48mm offset rotas.
-Tom
I guess I might have to roll the fenders with the 48mm offset rotas.
-Tom
| zzyzx | 01-12-2003 02:57 AM |
Dussander - So you have the 245/40s on your 17x7.5 SSRs?
- Steve
- Steve
| Dussander | 01-12-2003 12:12 PM |
zzyzx,
yes.
Update:
I took the car out to a parking lot and abused it. Only one spin. :)
(new tires, new pavement, <30 degrees is apparently not that sticky.) I found I can rub the left rear on hard sweepers or if it hits a pot hole. The rubbing occurs inside the wheel well on the inside of the tire. I could probably make it go away if I raise the car a couple of mm's. But this is with my street settings which are a lot softer then my AutoX settings so it may not be an issue during an AutoX which is where I will run these tires. (I run 16 clicks from Full stiff all around for street, for AutoX I use 8 from stiff on front, full stiff on rear.)
I will probably roll my fenders down the road just to be safe, but for now I'm not going worry about it. I've yet to see any marks on the fender lip with my driving.
See pics below.
Michael
yes.
Update:
I took the car out to a parking lot and abused it. Only one spin. :)
(new tires, new pavement, <30 degrees is apparently not that sticky.) I found I can rub the left rear on hard sweepers or if it hits a pot hole. The rubbing occurs inside the wheel well on the inside of the tire. I could probably make it go away if I raise the car a couple of mm's. But this is with my street settings which are a lot softer then my AutoX settings so it may not be an issue during an AutoX which is where I will run these tires. (I run 16 clicks from Full stiff all around for street, for AutoX I use 8 from stiff on front, full stiff on rear.)
I will probably roll my fenders down the road just to be safe, but for now I'm not going worry about it. I've yet to see any marks on the fender lip with my driving.
See pics below.
Michael
| ChrisW | 01-12-2003 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]
So, can anyone post my pictures?
Michael [/B][/QUOTE]
sent you a pm
[B]
So, can anyone post my pictures?
Michael [/B][/QUOTE]
sent you a pm
| ChrisW | 01-12-2003 02:48 PM |
Here are some pics
[URL=http://66.123.66.130/dussandersTires/index.asp]Big fatty tires :cool:
[IMG]http://66.123.66.130/dussandersTires/thumbs/DSC00001.jpg[/IMG] [/URL]
[URL=http://66.123.66.130/dussandersTires/index.asp]Big fatty tires :cool:
[IMG]http://66.123.66.130/dussandersTires/thumbs/DSC00001.jpg[/IMG] [/URL]
| KC | 01-12-2003 02:50 PM |
Hey... where's the snow? It's winter ya know!
Going to be interesting to see some results with the tires. :)
Going to be interesting to see some results with the tires. :)
| Patrick L | 01-12-2003 03:43 PM |
They have no idea what snow is in that part of the country. :D
| trhoppe | 01-12-2003 04:30 PM |
Mine might be going on sometime this week. The wheels finally got here. The broken thumb delays things a bit.
Now that I think about it, I should be ok with my 48 offset wheels as Im running higher then the Tein recommended height.
Thanks for the pics, thats alotta rubber.
-Tom
Now that I think about it, I should be ok with my 48 offset wheels as Im running higher then the Tein recommended height.
Thanks for the pics, thats alotta rubber.
-Tom
| AUTOwrXER | 01-20-2003 06:53 PM |
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For those that were interested in CE28Ns in 17x8, I should be getting pricing tomorrow. I got a price from a local person that was too high ($525/wheel), but my main contact should be giving me a quote tomorrow. If you are interested in going in together to lower the price, please post so I can work a group deal.
sleepy-scoobie - Any word on pricing from your contact?
Joel
sleepy-scoobie - Any word on pricing from your contact?
Joel
| AUTOwrXER | 01-21-2003 05:55 PM |
New pricing
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Well my super-secret source could only muster up a price of $465 per wheel. I was hoping it would be lower, especially with sleepy-scoobie being quoted $1700 on 17x8.5s.
Sleepy-scoobie: find out what your guy can do and we'll make the call from there.
Sleepy-scoobie: find out what your guy can do and we'll make the call from there.
| rex n effect | 01-21-2003 06:20 PM |
thanks for trying autowrxer
| trhoppe | 01-21-2003 06:36 PM |
Wow, I guess you guys are stuck with 225s then huh........
| AUTOwrXER | 01-22-2003 03:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Wow, I guess you guys are stuck with 225s then huh........ [/B][/QUOTE]
Ummm, no. We're not letting you off that easy!
BTW, are you planning to run the National Tour in Ft. Myers this year?
[B]Wow, I guess you guys are stuck with 225s then huh........ [/B][/QUOTE]
Ummm, no. We're not letting you off that easy!
BTW, are you planning to run the National Tour in Ft. Myers this year?
| Dussander | 01-22-2003 03:25 PM |
Because of the thumb, Tom probably won't make the Nationals at Ft. Myers, but may make the Pro Solo.
I will be at both.
I will be at both.
| trhoppe | 01-22-2003 03:33 PM |
Yup, Im out for both because of the thumb. My national season won't start till petersburg, but I will be at the oscoda pro and the peru tour and NE tour instead.
-Tom
-Tom
| AUTOwrXER | 01-22-2003 04:35 PM |
Tom- That sucks man. I hope this doesn't prevent you from playing Vice City. That would be tragic.
Before I forget, I was meaning to tell you what a PITA it is to roll the rear fenders. I know you were planning to do it yourself with that rental device, but you may want to rethink that plan. I had a top-notch body shop in Atlanta do my fenders. Sentry Paint in Body in Atlanta has done more work to my car than I care to recall. Club racers may recognize the shop name as Ken and Mike Cotrell's place. Anyway, they had a hell of a time with the fenders. They are not like the american cars that have a higher inside wheel well and just the single piece of sheetmetal that you roll up. The inside fender comes all the way down and meets up with the sheetmetal with a number of welds right on the fender lip. Sentry did a good job appreance wise, but it only gave me 1/2" or so of extra clearance. Once it was all said and done, Sentry had to repaint the fenders from all the bending (paint flaked off).
I just wanted to give you guys a heads up that you may be better off doing this professionally. Sorry to deliver bad news...
Joel
Before I forget, I was meaning to tell you what a PITA it is to roll the rear fenders. I know you were planning to do it yourself with that rental device, but you may want to rethink that plan. I had a top-notch body shop in Atlanta do my fenders. Sentry Paint in Body in Atlanta has done more work to my car than I care to recall. Club racers may recognize the shop name as Ken and Mike Cotrell's place. Anyway, they had a hell of a time with the fenders. They are not like the american cars that have a higher inside wheel well and just the single piece of sheetmetal that you roll up. The inside fender comes all the way down and meets up with the sheetmetal with a number of welds right on the fender lip. Sentry did a good job appreance wise, but it only gave me 1/2" or so of extra clearance. Once it was all said and done, Sentry had to repaint the fenders from all the bending (paint flaked off).
I just wanted to give you guys a heads up that you may be better off doing this professionally. Sorry to deliver bad news...
Joel
| Dussander | 01-22-2003 04:51 PM |
OT: emm... Vice City. Good stuff. People do less damage to a car then poles. :)
| trhoppe | 01-22-2003 04:57 PM |
[QUOTE]I hope this doesn't prevent you from playing Vice City.[/QUOTE]
< rant >
Oh hell yes it does :mad: I can't hold a controller no matter how, believe me I tried. My logitech steering wheel + pedals is coming tommorow so I can at least get some 1 handed GT3 during the next month. Im having withdrawals, dont even get me started on my Madden franchise. I was down 7 in the 3rd quarter of the superbowl when I paused and saved the game to go play football for real, now that game won't get finished for another 6 weeks .. nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< / rant >
:lol: a day in the life of a disabled ps2 addict :lol:
< rant >
Oh hell yes it does :mad: I can't hold a controller no matter how, believe me I tried. My logitech steering wheel + pedals is coming tommorow so I can at least get some 1 handed GT3 during the next month. Im having withdrawals, dont even get me started on my Madden franchise. I was down 7 in the 3rd quarter of the superbowl when I paused and saved the game to go play football for real, now that game won't get finished for another 6 weeks .. nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< / rant >
:lol: a day in the life of a disabled ps2 addict :lol:
| Dussander | 01-23-2003 01:18 PM |
I attempted to weight some wheels and tires in the case anyone is interested.
My Rota Attacks seem to way between 16.5-17lbs.
My used Azenis 225/45-17 tires weight 22.5lbs.
My BFG KD 245/40-17s with SSR Comp wheels weight 38.5lbs.
If you believe the SSRs weight 13lbs then the BFGs weight 25.5lbs. I didn't get a chance to weight the SSRs or BFGs alone.
This is with a house scale with 0.5 lb increments.
My Rota Attacks seem to way between 16.5-17lbs.
My used Azenis 225/45-17 tires weight 22.5lbs.
My BFG KD 245/40-17s with SSR Comp wheels weight 38.5lbs.
If you believe the SSRs weight 13lbs then the BFGs weight 25.5lbs. I didn't get a chance to weight the SSRs or BFGs alone.
This is with a house scale with 0.5 lb increments.
| sleepy-scoobie | 01-23-2003 01:58 PM |
Re: New pricing
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AUTOwrXER [/i]
[B]Well my super-secret source could only muster up a price of $465 per wheel. I was hoping it would be lower, especially with sleepy-scoobie being quoted $1700 on 17x8.5s.
Sleepy-scoobie: find out what your guy can do and we'll make the call from there. [/B][/QUOTE]
I can get a set for $425 each ($1700) out the door, but this means picking up the wheels in Northern Cal. Add shipping if you're out of state. 1 month lead time for our size since they're shipped straight from Japan. Let me know if you want them and I'll order them.
Well guys, I thinking of dropping down to D-stock since I don't think I can drop over 2 grand for wheels and tires :( , and I want to get 17x8.5s if I'm spending that much. I'm kinda pissed that SCCA regulates both the width of the tire AND the wheel. Who cares how wide your wheels are if the tires are limited to 245s?? Heck, if your wheels are too wide, you'll technically be at a disadvantage due to extra rotating weight. Anyways, i know they gotta set rules, but...
:alien:
I've already sold my coilovers... Exhaust goes next :(
[B]Well my super-secret source could only muster up a price of $465 per wheel. I was hoping it would be lower, especially with sleepy-scoobie being quoted $1700 on 17x8.5s.
Sleepy-scoobie: find out what your guy can do and we'll make the call from there. [/B][/QUOTE]
I can get a set for $425 each ($1700) out the door, but this means picking up the wheels in Northern Cal. Add shipping if you're out of state. 1 month lead time for our size since they're shipped straight from Japan. Let me know if you want them and I'll order them.
Well guys, I thinking of dropping down to D-stock since I don't think I can drop over 2 grand for wheels and tires :( , and I want to get 17x8.5s if I'm spending that much. I'm kinda pissed that SCCA regulates both the width of the tire AND the wheel. Who cares how wide your wheels are if the tires are limited to 245s?? Heck, if your wheels are too wide, you'll technically be at a disadvantage due to extra rotating weight. Anyways, i know they gotta set rules, but...
:alien:
I've already sold my coilovers... Exhaust goes next :(
| Dussander | 01-23-2003 02:20 PM |
I could never go back to DS. The car is just so much more fun to drive on the street in STX form. If you need STX tires and wheels on the cheap just get Rota Attacks for $550 and 4, 225 Azenis at $100ish/each.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-23-2003 02:55 PM |
Re: Re: New pricing
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sleepy-scoobie [/i]
[B]
I can get a set for $425 each ($1700) out the door, but this means picking up the wheels in Northern Cal. Add shipping if you're out of state. 1 month lead time for our size since they're shipped straight from Japan. Let me know if you want them and I'll order them.
Well guys, I thinking of dropping down to D-stock since I don't think I can drop over 2 grand for wheels and tires :( , and I want to get 17x8.5s if I'm spending that much. I'm kinda pissed that SCCA regulates both the width of the tire AND the wheel. Who cares how wide your wheels are if the tires are limited to 245s?? Heck, if your wheels are too wide, you'll technically be at a disadvantage due to extra rotating weight. Anyways, i know they gotta set rules, but...
:alien:
I've already sold my coilovers... Exhaust goes next :( [/B][/QUOTE]
I'd be in for it if you are. Don't sound so depressed. A little credit card debt is a good thing. It's like the national deficit. Seriously though, I'm interested. Is that a group buy price or will he honor it on one set? Also, is it possible to have the wheels shipped straight to Atlanta?
[B]
I can get a set for $425 each ($1700) out the door, but this means picking up the wheels in Northern Cal. Add shipping if you're out of state. 1 month lead time for our size since they're shipped straight from Japan. Let me know if you want them and I'll order them.
Well guys, I thinking of dropping down to D-stock since I don't think I can drop over 2 grand for wheels and tires :( , and I want to get 17x8.5s if I'm spending that much. I'm kinda pissed that SCCA regulates both the width of the tire AND the wheel. Who cares how wide your wheels are if the tires are limited to 245s?? Heck, if your wheels are too wide, you'll technically be at a disadvantage due to extra rotating weight. Anyways, i know they gotta set rules, but...
:alien:
I've already sold my coilovers... Exhaust goes next :( [/B][/QUOTE]
I'd be in for it if you are. Don't sound so depressed. A little credit card debt is a good thing. It's like the national deficit. Seriously though, I'm interested. Is that a group buy price or will he honor it on one set? Also, is it possible to have the wheels shipped straight to Atlanta?
| sleepy-scoobie | 01-23-2003 05:10 PM |
Alright, here's the best deal I could get:
Volk CE28N 17x8 (any color).
$400 each ($1600/set) out the door (not including shipping) IF you guys get 3 sets.
$406.25 each ($1625/set) if you all get 2 sets.
These fully forged suckers weigh around 14 lbs each (some say less, 14 is conservative).
Please find someone to beat that deal so I don't need to go through the trouble of drooling... er, ordering wheels I can't afford :D
Volk CE28N 17x8 (any color).
$400 each ($1600/set) out the door (not including shipping) IF you guys get 3 sets.
$406.25 each ($1625/set) if you all get 2 sets.
These fully forged suckers weigh around 14 lbs each (some say less, 14 is conservative).
Please find someone to beat that deal so I don't need to go through the trouble of drooling... er, ordering wheels I can't afford :D
| ellisnc | 01-23-2003 06:27 PM |
I'm not trying to bust up anyone's deal or anything just posting a link saying that the 400 per is a good deal
[url]http://www.gruppe-s.com/Volk/volkce.htm[/url]
these guys are like the cheapest I've seen for rims
[url]http://www.gruppe-s.com/Volk/volkce.htm[/url]
these guys are like the cheapest I've seen for rims
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