| donjuan | 03-25-2002 08:09 AM |
Time for the Interlagos thread...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
1. Ralf Schumacher
2. Michael Schumacher
3. David Coulthard
4. Juan Pablo Montoya
5. Rubens Barrichello
6. Nick Heidfeld (has to let Rubens pass in closing laps)
Kimi blows up again, Mercedes having caught the bug BMW had last year, DC remains intact.
Feer my mad psykik profisization skillz!
--donjuan, F1 prophet
:lol: :lol: :lol:
1. Ralf Schumacher
2. Michael Schumacher
3. David Coulthard
4. Juan Pablo Montoya
5. Rubens Barrichello
6. Nick Heidfeld (has to let Rubens pass in closing laps)
Kimi blows up again, Mercedes having caught the bug BMW had last year, DC remains intact.
Feer my mad psykik profisization skillz!
--donjuan, F1 prophet
:lol: :lol: :lol:
| Ryouga | 03-25-2002 08:29 AM |
Since I'm going to be out of town, I will make my predictions now:
1) Chili Dog! :eek:
2) Michael
3) Ralf
4) Coulthard
5) Heidfeld
6) Button! :eek:
JPM could have won here last year if he hadn't gotten rear-ended. I think he'll pull it off this year, in spite of Ferrari bringing out the big guns 2002 car.
I've been predicting Coulthard will beat his teammate and, damn it, I'm not going to stop now. Kimi and Rubens have a coming together late in the race when Kimi goes for a pass and Rubens blocks aggressively.
Finally, Button. He was robbed! So I'll give him 6th place this time around. :lol:
1) Chili Dog! :eek:
2) Michael
3) Ralf
4) Coulthard
5) Heidfeld
6) Button! :eek:
JPM could have won here last year if he hadn't gotten rear-ended. I think he'll pull it off this year, in spite of Ferrari bringing out the big guns 2002 car.
I've been predicting Coulthard will beat his teammate and, damn it, I'm not going to stop now. Kimi and Rubens have a coming together late in the race when Kimi goes for a pass and Rubens blocks aggressively.
Finally, Button. He was robbed! So I'll give him 6th place this time around. :lol:
| gtguy | 03-25-2002 08:53 AM |
Uh, let's not forget that Michael S. will have the F2002 at Interlagos. I see some big-time smack coming down, so here goes:
1) MS
2) Ralf (rejuvenated)
3) JPM
4) Rubens (still in the modded F2001)
5) Kimi
6) Button
Michael will be on pole, but will wind up in second place at the first corner, since he won't want to throw away a potential win in a scrap. He'll cede the place to Ralf, then pass him on the track and proceed to drive away...unless something else happens. :lol:
Kevin
1) MS
2) Ralf (rejuvenated)
3) JPM
4) Rubens (still in the modded F2001)
5) Kimi
6) Button
Michael will be on pole, but will wind up in second place at the first corner, since he won't want to throw away a potential win in a scrap. He'll cede the place to Ralf, then pass him on the track and proceed to drive away...unless something else happens. :lol:
Kevin
| MrSwede | 03-25-2002 12:00 PM |
1. Coulthard.
2. Montoya.
3. Barrichello.
4. R. Shumacher.
5. M. Shumacher.
6. Salo.
Ferrari brings in the F2002, but will have some reliability problems. David's car will finally run great. Toyota will make a surprise attack and get another point. Barrichello will make the podium because his relatives all got free tickets to see him.
2. Montoya.
3. Barrichello.
4. R. Shumacher.
5. M. Shumacher.
6. Salo.
Ferrari brings in the F2002, but will have some reliability problems. David's car will finally run great. Toyota will make a surprise attack and get another point. Barrichello will make the podium because his relatives all got free tickets to see him.
| tifosi77 | 03-25-2002 09:06 PM |
1. Michale Schumcaher
2. Kimi
3. Ralf
4. Montoya
2. Kimi
3. Ralf
4. Montoya
| Axiochus | 03-25-2002 10:40 PM |
1. Juantoya
2. Schuey Sr.
3. JV.
Stat it.
2. Schuey Sr.
3. JV.
Stat it.
| LordBass | 03-26-2002 12:57 PM |
Oh, what the hell.. I'm going with:
1. MS
2. Chilidog
3. Rubens
4. Kimi
5. Button
6. Heidfeld
I'm prolly drunk for going with Button for 5th, but I had Salo for 5th in Australia, and look what happened.. Now if I only had Webber for 5th there. ;)
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
1. MS
2. Chilidog
3. Rubens
4. Kimi
5. Button
6. Heidfeld
I'm prolly drunk for going with Button for 5th, but I had Salo for 5th in Australia, and look what happened.. Now if I only had Webber for 5th there. ;)
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| grandpa rex | 03-26-2002 02:57 PM |
Lissen up, cause here's the real deal:
1. MS
2. DC
3. Ralfie
4. Barrichello
5. Button
6. Heidfeld
Think the F2001 was a good car? Wait until MS drives the F2002. DC and Mclaren will finally finish a race, but far back. Ralfie has a good, but unspectacular race. Rubens finally finishes a race. Button and Heidfeld continue to impress.
JPM can't finish 3 in a row. Raikkonen blows up.
Call the sportsbook, cuz you know what's going to happen.
1. MS
2. DC
3. Ralfie
4. Barrichello
5. Button
6. Heidfeld
Think the F2001 was a good car? Wait until MS drives the F2002. DC and Mclaren will finally finish a race, but far back. Ralfie has a good, but unspectacular race. Rubens finally finishes a race. Button and Heidfeld continue to impress.
JPM can't finish 3 in a row. Raikkonen blows up.
Call the sportsbook, cuz you know what's going to happen.
| SCRAPPYDO | 03-26-2002 05:01 PM |
Time has come again for SCRAPPYDO's predictions for Interlagos. I will take this by a team by team basis.
Ferrari:
The fine team from Italy will roll out the 2002 car. Tensions will rise as drivers and teams will be lusting after the new car like a starving sumo in a sushi bar. Ferrari will be looking to keep a closer eye on spys as the secrets in this new car are vast and undocumented. My sources tell me that the new car has a built in navigation system, and super glue dispensers mounted ahead of all four tires. Under hi load conditions a hidden steam driven turbine will spray an intense stream of super glue to the Bridgestone rubber to enhance dry traction. Its been speculated that they may be using rain-X in this system to enhance wet weather traction as well. To cope with the extra weight of these new added parts, Ferrari will be using bolsa wood for its driver capsule since the adoption of new FIA regulations protecting all cars that are red, made in Italy and have a prancing horse on them. The new rules state that any car that so much as nicks any car fitting this description will have to run the next 12 races with only 3 tires and refurbished LeCar Engine. Rumor has it hopes are high.
BMW/Williams:
Tensions are high in the Bavarian powered camp. They have shown that they can keep pace with the red road runners. But they still fear consistency. They have since installed redundant systems on all vital components, and a sidecar to carry the mechanic that has been wind tunnel trained to effect repairs during the race. At last report they have not yet mastered the on the fly wheel change and refuel. On the financial side, BMW has picked up a new sponsor in Oscar Meyer. Controversy over next years paint scheme have tempers about to plump and burst.
McLeran/Mercedes:
As apparent as the speed of the Ferraris, is the lack of speed of the Mercedes boys. In an attempt to raise the HP of the car, the German engineers are looking to Japan for help. Secret photos from inside the McLeran camp show the addition of the Tornado induction system, and what appears to be not one buy two 5" melon shooter exhaust. Also shown in the picture are what appears to be neon lights along the side. We can only speculate that they are for intimidation purposes. That would also explain the "powered by Honda" stickers on side pods. This may be seen as a slap in the face to Jordan/BAR camps that supposively had all rights to all new "powered by (fill in the blank) and Type (pick any letter or number)" stickers. The FIA may need to get involved with this one.
Jordan:
Still celebrating the new sponsorship with DHL, Jordan is at a loss as to why they cant keep pace. It was thought that they could just mail their cars to the finish since it would no doubt be faster. But my sources tell me that Eddie Jordan has chosen to bring back the animal motifs that has adorned the yellow car. Last year it was a shark, thus Bitten Heros. The year before that it was a bee, and had Buzz'n Hornets. This year Eddie really outdid himself with the always fearsome bunny rabbit, thus creating Beautiful Herbivores. Benson and Hedges have expressed concerns for this new decision. Only time will tell.
BAR:
Stuck with what seems like an apparent lemon of an engine again this year. The high hopes of ultimate HP from the land of the rising sun did not happen. BAR CEO's are looking elsewhere for new methods of getting around the track faster. Former Prodrive Exec and new team manager drawing from his experience in the WRC, has licensed BAR to create an AWD platform for the 2003 season. To pay for this effort, he is hoping to bring in Marlboro for additional backing and to restart BAR's long tradition of tobacco sponsorship.
Jaguar:
The Jag boys are in total disarray. Complaining about the lack of pace on the R3 and the R2. They have chosen to purchase a Ford Taurus from the Winston Cup series and run it. They are labeling it the R0.05. They new plan for the leaping cat will go from agile speed, to brute strength. They figure they can just muscle the 3500 lbs behemoth into any car that tries to pass practically guarantying them a podium spot. The team seems to be happy with this turn of events.
Renault:
Much mystery surrounds the former Benetton boys. Speculation about a new powerplant is in the air. Seems that the last aerodynamics package was only marginally successful. To help they have been forced to do what they can to create more downforce until the new engine is ready. My people on the inside tell me that they don't really know whats in the works, but they saw a huge shipments of Shop-Vacs, Rotisserie ovens, and extra large Q-tips being loaded at the Renault HQ. We will keep an eye on this for future developments.
Toyota:
Sticking news regarding the Toyota team has just arrived. It seems that top officials at Toyota are displeased with the attributes of the new car. Claiming poor reliability and high maintenance. Things that are cornerstones to all that Toyota stands for. Starting next season the new Toyota car must have comfortable seating for 4, and must only use one engine for the entire season. To make matters worse, they are asking that the new car gets at least 19 mpg. At last count 3 Toyota engineers have moved to Honda, and a handful more are contemplating impaling themselves on antenna's until they are dead. We will keep you posted.
Sauber:
Encouraged more every year due the apparent clinch on the "best of the rest" title. Sauber has done little in the way of development for this years Interlagos race. Confidently carrying the former Ferrari engine under its bonnet has the hopes at the Sauber camp running high. They, instead, have focused their attention to improving the drivers. Each Sauber driver is now forced to sleep one full day before the race, then when he is wide away, drink a 12 pack of Red Bull, and a half dozen NO-DOZE caplets. It is believed that this will heighten the drivers reflexes to near superhuman standards. Or almost as good as Micheal Schumachers.
Minardi & Arrows:
Well, I mean do you really care….. J
Okay they will be their, and they brought some cars, some drivers and other stuff. Yada yada.
So with ALLLLL that being said,
Tommi Makkennun will win in the Subaru!!!!!!!!!
SCRAPPYDO (ducking and weaving to avoid getting lynched!)
stephen
Ferrari:
The fine team from Italy will roll out the 2002 car. Tensions will rise as drivers and teams will be lusting after the new car like a starving sumo in a sushi bar. Ferrari will be looking to keep a closer eye on spys as the secrets in this new car are vast and undocumented. My sources tell me that the new car has a built in navigation system, and super glue dispensers mounted ahead of all four tires. Under hi load conditions a hidden steam driven turbine will spray an intense stream of super glue to the Bridgestone rubber to enhance dry traction. Its been speculated that they may be using rain-X in this system to enhance wet weather traction as well. To cope with the extra weight of these new added parts, Ferrari will be using bolsa wood for its driver capsule since the adoption of new FIA regulations protecting all cars that are red, made in Italy and have a prancing horse on them. The new rules state that any car that so much as nicks any car fitting this description will have to run the next 12 races with only 3 tires and refurbished LeCar Engine. Rumor has it hopes are high.
BMW/Williams:
Tensions are high in the Bavarian powered camp. They have shown that they can keep pace with the red road runners. But they still fear consistency. They have since installed redundant systems on all vital components, and a sidecar to carry the mechanic that has been wind tunnel trained to effect repairs during the race. At last report they have not yet mastered the on the fly wheel change and refuel. On the financial side, BMW has picked up a new sponsor in Oscar Meyer. Controversy over next years paint scheme have tempers about to plump and burst.
McLeran/Mercedes:
As apparent as the speed of the Ferraris, is the lack of speed of the Mercedes boys. In an attempt to raise the HP of the car, the German engineers are looking to Japan for help. Secret photos from inside the McLeran camp show the addition of the Tornado induction system, and what appears to be not one buy two 5" melon shooter exhaust. Also shown in the picture are what appears to be neon lights along the side. We can only speculate that they are for intimidation purposes. That would also explain the "powered by Honda" stickers on side pods. This may be seen as a slap in the face to Jordan/BAR camps that supposively had all rights to all new "powered by (fill in the blank) and Type (pick any letter or number)" stickers. The FIA may need to get involved with this one.
Jordan:
Still celebrating the new sponsorship with DHL, Jordan is at a loss as to why they cant keep pace. It was thought that they could just mail their cars to the finish since it would no doubt be faster. But my sources tell me that Eddie Jordan has chosen to bring back the animal motifs that has adorned the yellow car. Last year it was a shark, thus Bitten Heros. The year before that it was a bee, and had Buzz'n Hornets. This year Eddie really outdid himself with the always fearsome bunny rabbit, thus creating Beautiful Herbivores. Benson and Hedges have expressed concerns for this new decision. Only time will tell.
BAR:
Stuck with what seems like an apparent lemon of an engine again this year. The high hopes of ultimate HP from the land of the rising sun did not happen. BAR CEO's are looking elsewhere for new methods of getting around the track faster. Former Prodrive Exec and new team manager drawing from his experience in the WRC, has licensed BAR to create an AWD platform for the 2003 season. To pay for this effort, he is hoping to bring in Marlboro for additional backing and to restart BAR's long tradition of tobacco sponsorship.
Jaguar:
The Jag boys are in total disarray. Complaining about the lack of pace on the R3 and the R2. They have chosen to purchase a Ford Taurus from the Winston Cup series and run it. They are labeling it the R0.05. They new plan for the leaping cat will go from agile speed, to brute strength. They figure they can just muscle the 3500 lbs behemoth into any car that tries to pass practically guarantying them a podium spot. The team seems to be happy with this turn of events.
Renault:
Much mystery surrounds the former Benetton boys. Speculation about a new powerplant is in the air. Seems that the last aerodynamics package was only marginally successful. To help they have been forced to do what they can to create more downforce until the new engine is ready. My people on the inside tell me that they don't really know whats in the works, but they saw a huge shipments of Shop-Vacs, Rotisserie ovens, and extra large Q-tips being loaded at the Renault HQ. We will keep an eye on this for future developments.
Toyota:
Sticking news regarding the Toyota team has just arrived. It seems that top officials at Toyota are displeased with the attributes of the new car. Claiming poor reliability and high maintenance. Things that are cornerstones to all that Toyota stands for. Starting next season the new Toyota car must have comfortable seating for 4, and must only use one engine for the entire season. To make matters worse, they are asking that the new car gets at least 19 mpg. At last count 3 Toyota engineers have moved to Honda, and a handful more are contemplating impaling themselves on antenna's until they are dead. We will keep you posted.
Sauber:
Encouraged more every year due the apparent clinch on the "best of the rest" title. Sauber has done little in the way of development for this years Interlagos race. Confidently carrying the former Ferrari engine under its bonnet has the hopes at the Sauber camp running high. They, instead, have focused their attention to improving the drivers. Each Sauber driver is now forced to sleep one full day before the race, then when he is wide away, drink a 12 pack of Red Bull, and a half dozen NO-DOZE caplets. It is believed that this will heighten the drivers reflexes to near superhuman standards. Or almost as good as Micheal Schumachers.
Minardi & Arrows:
Well, I mean do you really care….. J
Okay they will be their, and they brought some cars, some drivers and other stuff. Yada yada.
So with ALLLLL that being said,
Tommi Makkennun will win in the Subaru!!!!!!!!!
SCRAPPYDO (ducking and weaving to avoid getting lynched!)
stephen
| Zahnster | 03-26-2002 06:05 PM |
I thought constantly having hopes for DC was starting to wear thin. But JV on the podium? Who you kidding?
| johnfelstead | 03-26-2002 06:45 PM |
1) CHILLI DOG
2) RALPHY
3) BUTTON
4) HEIDFELD
5) MCNISH
6) FISSI
:D:lol:
2) RALPHY
3) BUTTON
4) HEIDFELD
5) MCNISH
6) FISSI
:D:lol:
| BuzzinHornets | 03-26-2002 07:33 PM |
1) JPM
2)Ralf
3)DC
4)Heidfeld
5)Button
6)McNish
That my picks for the points!
BuzzedHornet
2)Ralf
3)DC
4)Heidfeld
5)Button
6)McNish
That my picks for the points!
BuzzedHornet
| Lurker | 03-27-2002 07:36 AM |
How cool would it be if Reubens won? He'd cry on the podium, that's for sure. :D
GO REUBEN!! [IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] :cool: [IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG]
GO REUBEN!! [IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] :cool: [IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG]
| MrSwede | 03-27-2002 09:08 AM |
:lol: :lol: :lol: @ SCRAPPYDO
| bliu | 03-27-2002 12:11 PM |
1) JPM
2) Kimi
3) Ralf
4) DC
5) McNish
6) LOIX!
ok, i'm really bored this time around.:D debut of the F2002 is a bomb - MS is gonna blow up 27 laps in. haha - i think if we all insert some wacko prediction, the odds will catch up with us eventually and we'll look real smart.:p
2) Kimi
3) Ralf
4) DC
5) McNish
6) LOIX!
ok, i'm really bored this time around.:D debut of the F2002 is a bomb - MS is gonna blow up 27 laps in. haha - i think if we all insert some wacko prediction, the odds will catch up with us eventually and we'll look real smart.:p
| ZFEVER | 03-27-2002 09:37 PM |
1. JPM 50 second lead
:D
2. Ralphie
3. Kimi
4. Ruebens
5. Mike
6. Nick
7. Fisi
8. JV
9. Massa
10. Panis
12. Jenson
13. Salo
DNF Couthard - after spending 20 laps trying to pass Kimi, he will blow his engine. In the following laps, several other drivers will slide off when the track when they hit DC's oil slick.
:)
p.s KIMI will out-qualify DC...... again.
:D
2. Ralphie
3. Kimi
4. Ruebens
5. Mike
6. Nick
7. Fisi
8. JV
9. Massa
10. Panis
12. Jenson
13. Salo
DNF Couthard - after spending 20 laps trying to pass Kimi, he will blow his engine. In the following laps, several other drivers will slide off when the track when they hit DC's oil slick.
:)
p.s KIMI will out-qualify DC...... again.
| SpinAll4 | 03-28-2002 12:28 PM |
Williams: A JuanTwo
Brazil 2002
Juan More Chili Dog- his only competition is his team mate
Ralfie- and
Mikey S.- is beaten by both Williams' that use a one stop strategy to his 2.
The rest;
Button
Heidfeld
Salo !!!
And to complete my premonition:
Dinky Chode gets constantly outpaced by lil Kimi in practice and qualifying, and Kimi leads the hapless McKrappy charge in the race only to blow up while running in 5th spot ahead of Dippy Chimp who has pulled it into the garage 'cause his eyes were watery. :(
RB ;)
Juan More Chili Dog- his only competition is his team mate
Ralfie- and
Mikey S.- is beaten by both Williams' that use a one stop strategy to his 2.
The rest;
Button
Heidfeld
Salo !!!
And to complete my premonition:
Dinky Chode gets constantly outpaced by lil Kimi in practice and qualifying, and Kimi leads the hapless McKrappy charge in the race only to blow up while running in 5th spot ahead of Dippy Chimp who has pulled it into the garage 'cause his eyes were watery. :(
RB ;)
| Fred Zaplitny | 03-28-2002 01:15 PM |
Montoya will win!!!!
who cares about the rest?!
who cares about the rest?!
| johnfelstead | 03-28-2002 01:38 PM |
:lol:@Fred, consistent anyway. :D
How many names for DC do you have?
We need a new DC nickname thread i think. :D:lol:
How many names for DC do you have?
We need a new DC nickname thread i think. :D:lol:
| Fred Zaplitny | 03-28-2002 07:56 PM |
I got one! It's German.
Der Chokemeister!
:lol:
my other picks now that I've had time to think:
2. Micheal Schuemacher
3. Der Chokemeister
4. Ruebens Barrichello
5. Kimi
6. Jenson Button
Der Chokemeister!
:lol:
my other picks now that I've had time to think:
2. Micheal Schuemacher
3. Der Chokemeister
4. Ruebens Barrichello
5. Kimi
6. Jenson Button
| Fred Zaplitny | 03-29-2002 12:23 AM |
I was about to rip you guys for the lack of pitbabe pics in this thread, but I noticed there just aren't any new ones out there. I guess we'll just have to be content with this shot of Chili Dog's woman.
| OnTheGas | 03-29-2002 01:59 AM |
A Fearless F1 Public Prognostication
[list=1][*]Michael[*]Juan[*]Rubens[*]Ralfie[*]Kimi[*]DC[/list=1] (...feeling conservative this week.)
| TimStevens | 03-29-2002 07:48 AM |
What the heck is that coming out of JPM's mouth in that pic? :confused:
| johnfelstead | 03-29-2002 12:34 PM |
Blimey Alan!!!!
I know it's only friday free practice and it's not normally that significant! But damn, look at the pace of Alan McNish!! Fingers crossed he can qualify in the top 10, you should see something good in the race then.
1. 3 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"075 206.625 Km/h 35
2. 6 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'15"345 + 0'00"270 40
3. 25 MCNISH Toyota M 1'15"450 + 0'00"375 47
4. 5 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'15"477 + 0'00"402 46
5. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'15"627 + 0'00"552 35
6. 4 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"883 + 0'00"808 26
7. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'15"933 + 0'00"858 26
8. 15 BUTTON Renault M 1'16"054 + 0'00"979 37
9. 11 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 1'16"183 + 0'01"108 45
10. 17 DE LA ROSA Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"289 + 0'01"214 34
11. 20 FRENTZEN Arrows Cosworth B 1'16"375 + 0'01"300 30
12. 21 BERNOLDI Arrows Cosworth B 1'16"379 + 0'01"304 34
13. 12 PANIS BAR Honda B 1'16"391 + 0'01"316 44
14. 16 IRVINE Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"424 + 0'01"349 32
15. 24 SALO Toyota M 1'16"529 + 0'01"454 33
16. 9 FISICHELLA Jordan Honda B 1'16"539 + 0'01"464 47
17. 8 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'16"548 + 0'01"473 41
18. 7 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'16"573 + 0'01"498 37
19. 10 SATO Jordan Honda B 1'17"624 + 0'02"549 41
20. 23 WEBBER Minardi Asiatech M 1'17"714 + 0'02"639 48
21. 14 TRULLI Renault M 1'17"979 + 0'02"904 22
22. 22 YOONG Minardi Asiatech M 1'18"426 + 0'03"351 39
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3126/1d/www.f1-live.com/photos/2002/interlagos/diapo_111.jpg[/IMG]
1. 3 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"075 206.625 Km/h 35
2. 6 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'15"345 + 0'00"270 40
3. 25 MCNISH Toyota M 1'15"450 + 0'00"375 47
4. 5 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'15"477 + 0'00"402 46
5. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'15"627 + 0'00"552 35
6. 4 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"883 + 0'00"808 26
7. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'15"933 + 0'00"858 26
8. 15 BUTTON Renault M 1'16"054 + 0'00"979 37
9. 11 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 1'16"183 + 0'01"108 45
10. 17 DE LA ROSA Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"289 + 0'01"214 34
11. 20 FRENTZEN Arrows Cosworth B 1'16"375 + 0'01"300 30
12. 21 BERNOLDI Arrows Cosworth B 1'16"379 + 0'01"304 34
13. 12 PANIS BAR Honda B 1'16"391 + 0'01"316 44
14. 16 IRVINE Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"424 + 0'01"349 32
15. 24 SALO Toyota M 1'16"529 + 0'01"454 33
16. 9 FISICHELLA Jordan Honda B 1'16"539 + 0'01"464 47
17. 8 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'16"548 + 0'01"473 41
18. 7 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'16"573 + 0'01"498 37
19. 10 SATO Jordan Honda B 1'17"624 + 0'02"549 41
20. 23 WEBBER Minardi Asiatech M 1'17"714 + 0'02"639 48
21. 14 TRULLI Renault M 1'17"979 + 0'02"904 22
22. 22 YOONG Minardi Asiatech M 1'18"426 + 0'03"351 39
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3126/1d/www.f1-live.com/photos/2002/interlagos/diapo_111.jpg[/IMG]
| SCRAPPYDO | 03-29-2002 03:56 PM |
I love what you do for me.........
TOYOTA!
TOYOTA!
| grandpa rex | 03-30-2002 02:59 PM |
Let's see, JPM and MS on the front row. Will the race be decided in the first turn as they wreck each other? Or will one lift?
By bet is that JPM is so fast off the line that MS concentrates in holding off Ralfie into turn 1.
By bet is that JPM is so fast off the line that MS concentrates in holding off Ralfie into turn 1.
| Patrick Olsen | 03-31-2002 10:11 AM |
Hmmm, should be an interesting race. The F2002 certainly didn't impress in qualifying. It was interesting to see how much time Michael was picking up in the 2nd and 3rd splits on each of his qualifying runs. I'm not sure what that means ;) but each time he started out two to three tenths off the past after the first split, but finished up much closer, just couldn't quite make up enough ground.
I definitely think JPM will get to turn 1 first, and I agree with grandpa rex that MS will be trying to prevent his little bro from getting around him before the first corner. Those Williams boys have been demonstrating since launch control was brought in last year that they do it better than anyone else, so JPM will get away and Ralfie will be hot on Michael's heels.
After that, well, I'm not one to make any predictions. It would be nice to see poor Reubens actually finish his home race, hopefully on the podium (although qualifying 8th certainly doesn't help), and hopefully some of the little guys can score some points again. It's a shame that Mclaren is having so much trouble thus far this year, but it's nice to see that open up the points positions to some of the up-and-coming teams.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
I definitely think JPM will get to turn 1 first, and I agree with grandpa rex that MS will be trying to prevent his little bro from getting around him before the first corner. Those Williams boys have been demonstrating since launch control was brought in last year that they do it better than anyone else, so JPM will get away and Ralfie will be hot on Michael's heels.
After that, well, I'm not one to make any predictions. It would be nice to see poor Reubens actually finish his home race, hopefully on the podium (although qualifying 8th certainly doesn't help), and hopefully some of the little guys can score some points again. It's a shame that Mclaren is having so much trouble thus far this year, but it's nice to see that open up the points positions to some of the up-and-coming teams.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 10:21 AM |
Hey Patrick, i think the main reason Michael didnt "impress" so much in qualifying is down to his race tactics for today.
Michael has chosen to run the harder of the two available bridgestones in an atempt to allow his tyres to perform better overall in the heat, the Michellin's are superior for sure in these conditions. I think this is why his first sector was down but his 2nd and 3rd were highly competitive.
I agree that Chilli Dog will get to the first corner first and michael will be fighting to keep second, he is not a good starter at all. Watch the Renaults though! They have the best launch control of any car, i expect them to make a couple of places up at least.
Looking forward to this race. :D
Michael has chosen to run the harder of the two available bridgestones in an atempt to allow his tyres to perform better overall in the heat, the Michellin's are superior for sure in these conditions. I think this is why his first sector was down but his 2nd and 3rd were highly competitive.
I agree that Chilli Dog will get to the first corner first and michael will be fighting to keep second, he is not a good starter at all. Watch the Renaults though! They have the best launch control of any car, i expect them to make a couple of places up at least.
Looking forward to this race. :D
| gtguy | 03-31-2002 12:00 PM |
Not that it means anything, but Michael was fastest in morning warmup. I say it doesn't mean anything, because De La Rosa was second in the Jaguar! :eek:
Michael really seemed to be fighting the new Ferrari, something I was unaccustomed to seeing. He hasn't really had enough seat time in the new car yet, so I don't really look for the car's true measure for another race or two.
The reliability question will be interesting. I was also noting the different engine note and shifting speed (from Rubens' car).
Did anyone notice the particular joylessness that seems to be present when Michael, Juan Pablo and Ralf share the same space? I know that they're all intensely competitive and want to win, but man! That post-qualifying press conference was a stone-cold bummer.
Kevin
Michael really seemed to be fighting the new Ferrari, something I was unaccustomed to seeing. He hasn't really had enough seat time in the new car yet, so I don't really look for the car's true measure for another race or two.
The reliability question will be interesting. I was also noting the different engine note and shifting speed (from Rubens' car).
Did anyone notice the particular joylessness that seems to be present when Michael, Juan Pablo and Ralf share the same space? I know that they're all intensely competitive and want to win, but man! That post-qualifying press conference was a stone-cold bummer.
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 12:10 PM |
looks like barechelo is 3 stopping and michael 2 stopping to williams one stop's.
i was right about Renault. :D If they one stop they could be on for a podium!
i was right about Renault. :D If they one stop they could be on for a podium!
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 12:18 PM |
the michelin's have just started to work now, ralph is matching michaels times, the key is if michael is 2 stopping or not. If he is ralph will win this i think.
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 12:24 PM |
poor rubens, retires from the lead AGAIN in Brazil.
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 12:43 PM |
Hmm, is michael one stopping and it's just taken ages for michelins to work? Ralph is catching to a point where they look on equal strategy. Interesting.
Nice scrap between the renaults and McLarens.
Nice scrap between the renaults and McLarens.
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 12:49 PM |
I think michael is going to early one stop (convert from a two) and ralph will run a lot longer and win this race.
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 01:01 PM |
ralph didnt do enough with his lighter load, especially as michael lost a couple of seconds in that pit stop. think it's a michael win although he may have screwed his tyres pushing so hard on a heavy fuel load, ralph is close for a run on new michelins. This could get interesting. :D
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 01:16 PM |
the williams/michelin is definately the better package now.
does ralph have what it takes? he has a 3km/hr advantage on the back straight, does he have the stuff to make that work for him? :D
does ralph have what it takes? he has a 3km/hr advantage on the back straight, does he have the stuff to make that work for him? :D
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 01:34 PM |
good drive michael.
:lol: @ Pele, he missed waving the flag for the finish. :D
:lol: @ Pele, he missed waving the flag for the finish. :D
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 01:39 PM |
Another point for toyota!
Another 4th for Button!
Montoya gets 2 points, good recovery!
P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Gaps/Laps Average Stops
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1h31'43"663 Km/h 1
2. 5 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M + 0'00"500 200.080 Km/h 1
3. 3 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M + 0'59"100 197.972 Km/h 1
4. 15 BUTTON Renault M + 1'06"800 197.699 Km/h 1
5. 6 MONTOYA Williams BMW M + 1'07"500 197.674 Km/h 2
6. 24 SALO Toyota M 1 lap(s) 1
7. 16 IRVINE Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 1
8. 17 DE LA ROSA Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 1
9. 10 SATO Jordan Honda B 2 lap(s) 2
10. 11 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 3 lap(s) 2
11. 23 WEBBER Minardi Asiatech M 3 lap(s) 3
12. 4 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 4 lap(s) 1
13. 22 YOONG Minardi Asiatech M 4 lap(s) 2
14. 7 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 10 lap(s) 3
15. 14 TRULLI Renault M 11 lap(s) 1
16. 8 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 30 lap(s) 1
17. 25 MCNISH Toyota M 31 lap(s) 2
18. 12 PANIS BAR Honda B 46 lap(s) 0
19. 20 FRENTZEN Arrows Cosworth B 46 lap(s) 1
20. 21 BERNOLDI Arrows Cosworth B 52 lap(s) 2
21. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 55 lap(s) 0
22. 9 FISICHELLA Jordan Honda B 65 lap(s) 1
Another 4th for Button!
Montoya gets 2 points, good recovery!
P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Gaps/Laps Average Stops
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1h31'43"663 Km/h 1
2. 5 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M + 0'00"500 200.080 Km/h 1
3. 3 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M + 0'59"100 197.972 Km/h 1
4. 15 BUTTON Renault M + 1'06"800 197.699 Km/h 1
5. 6 MONTOYA Williams BMW M + 1'07"500 197.674 Km/h 2
6. 24 SALO Toyota M 1 lap(s) 1
7. 16 IRVINE Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 1
8. 17 DE LA ROSA Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 1
9. 10 SATO Jordan Honda B 2 lap(s) 2
10. 11 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 3 lap(s) 2
11. 23 WEBBER Minardi Asiatech M 3 lap(s) 3
12. 4 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 4 lap(s) 1
13. 22 YOONG Minardi Asiatech M 4 lap(s) 2
14. 7 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 10 lap(s) 3
15. 14 TRULLI Renault M 11 lap(s) 1
16. 8 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 30 lap(s) 1
17. 25 MCNISH Toyota M 31 lap(s) 2
18. 12 PANIS BAR Honda B 46 lap(s) 0
19. 20 FRENTZEN Arrows Cosworth B 46 lap(s) 1
20. 21 BERNOLDI Arrows Cosworth B 52 lap(s) 2
21. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 55 lap(s) 0
22. 9 FISICHELLA Jordan Honda B 65 lap(s) 1
| gtguy | 03-31-2002 02:02 PM |
Pele was hilarious! Meanwhile, what a race to the flag (well, despite its not being waved, that is). It's interesting how fast Michael was through that final sector, though in the press conference he said that he was just driving to control the gap, so that Ralf couldn't get close enough to overtake. This certainly looked to be the case.
Hey John, what's up with this new-spec F2002? The Speed Channel guys were saying that there's already a newer version of the F2002? Something else. Michael's engine note is quite different from Rubens.
Oh, and that post-race press conference. What a different mood. Looks like Montoya either really HAS gotten under the skin of the Schumacher brothers, or they're both so determined to show him nothing, that everything tightens up.
Toyota's in the points again. I'm shocked. I had their first season being spent as rolling chicane status. Good for them.
Kevin
Hey John, what's up with this new-spec F2002? The Speed Channel guys were saying that there's already a newer version of the F2002? Something else. Michael's engine note is quite different from Rubens.
Oh, and that post-race press conference. What a different mood. Looks like Montoya either really HAS gotten under the skin of the Schumacher brothers, or they're both so determined to show him nothing, that everything tightens up.
Toyota's in the points again. I'm shocked. I had their first season being spent as rolling chicane status. Good for them.
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 02:55 PM |
I think the speed chanel guys need to stop talking crap. :lol:
There will be constant evolutions of the F2002, just like every other car on the grid. The fundemental chassis/engine/gearbox package wont change but the subtleties of the package certainly will.
The gearbox is supposed to be radically diferent in the way it works compared to previous generations. It uses a pre-selector gearbox that selects the next gear prior to changing gear so efectively it has 2 gears selected at the same time only for the clutch to then switch between the two. It's almost like having 2 gearboxes in one. It's cut's a massive amount of time off the gearchange time required so the engine is going to sound a little diferent. It's as close to having a CVT transmision without breaking the regulations which bans CVT.
Some other teams have similar concepts, the real clever thing is the way they have this packaged inside a tiny titanium casing. I would think one of the reasons they didnt run this at the start of the season is down to reliability testing of what must be very close to the limits in terms of performance/size.
Looks to me like the Ferrari is VERY fast as michelin had a huge tyre advantage in Brazil, just look where the next bridgestone runner was! Even the Jaguar lloked semi-competitive. Thats down to tyres in the main.
Definately going to be a Ferrari-Williams year and Renault could give McLaren a bloody nose if you consider how new that package is compared to the history McLaren has with Ilmore (mercedes).
Dont write off McLaren just yet, they are a very strong team. Now if they had a decent #1 driver who could hussle a mediocre car then they would definately be up there, but they dont. DC isnt good enough.
I havent seen the post race conference as ITV cut to Coronation street. :rolleyes: Cant let the masses miss out on their favourite soap by a few minutes now can we. :lol: I have to wait for the repeat tonight for that.
Shame for Chillidog, no way was he getting past michael in that corner so even attempting it was a bit silly, he needs to calm down just a little as he is throwing valuable points away.
That was Shueys 100th podium by the way, pretty amazing stats!
There will be constant evolutions of the F2002, just like every other car on the grid. The fundemental chassis/engine/gearbox package wont change but the subtleties of the package certainly will.
The gearbox is supposed to be radically diferent in the way it works compared to previous generations. It uses a pre-selector gearbox that selects the next gear prior to changing gear so efectively it has 2 gears selected at the same time only for the clutch to then switch between the two. It's almost like having 2 gearboxes in one. It's cut's a massive amount of time off the gearchange time required so the engine is going to sound a little diferent. It's as close to having a CVT transmision without breaking the regulations which bans CVT.
Some other teams have similar concepts, the real clever thing is the way they have this packaged inside a tiny titanium casing. I would think one of the reasons they didnt run this at the start of the season is down to reliability testing of what must be very close to the limits in terms of performance/size.
Looks to me like the Ferrari is VERY fast as michelin had a huge tyre advantage in Brazil, just look where the next bridgestone runner was! Even the Jaguar lloked semi-competitive. Thats down to tyres in the main.
Definately going to be a Ferrari-Williams year and Renault could give McLaren a bloody nose if you consider how new that package is compared to the history McLaren has with Ilmore (mercedes).
Dont write off McLaren just yet, they are a very strong team. Now if they had a decent #1 driver who could hussle a mediocre car then they would definately be up there, but they dont. DC isnt good enough.
I havent seen the post race conference as ITV cut to Coronation street. :rolleyes: Cant let the masses miss out on their favourite soap by a few minutes now can we. :lol: I have to wait for the repeat tonight for that.
Shame for Chillidog, no way was he getting past michael in that corner so even attempting it was a bit silly, he needs to calm down just a little as he is throwing valuable points away.
That was Shueys 100th podium by the way, pretty amazing stats!
| gtguy | 03-31-2002 04:08 PM |
I agree John, that was one of Schumacher's best starts in recent memory. The way he took off, I thought for sure that he was running light. Montoya, I think, is confusing aggressive racing with driving with the vaunted "red mist" in his eyes. Taking it to Schumacher is one thing. Driving yourself out of the race is something else altogether.
I'll be looking forward to the repeat tonight myself, since Speed Channel bollixed up the time. I tuned in at 11:30 a.m. for what should have been the pre-race, only to find them some 15-20 laps into the race. Crikey!
Is it just me, or has DC always been an "almost" driver, whose record of "this year" has to match HH Fretzen's. It's not that DC is bad, it's just that he's had drives with McLaren during their dominant years, with he and Mika treated as equals, and prior to that Williams. Nothing. Once Kimi gets comfortable in the car and on a team like McLaren, I look for him to surpass DC.
John's comment about the tires was echoed by Steve Matchett. And not only that, but when you consider that in the last two "horsepower" situations, a trimmed-out Ferrari has been able to hold its own with the Williams...
This is going to be a really, really cool year. I also think that Toyota's place in the upper reaches of the standings is going to become less and less of a surprise. I like what I'm seeing from that group.
This also strikes me as a "now or never" year for Williams. It seems their car has never been better, or more powerful. The Michelin tires no longer have that "off" period, and Ferrari is still 2-for-3. Both Ralf and JPM are flying, too. I think, personally that if Schumacher (Michael) wins the title, you're going to see a tough time psychologically at Williams.
Now, my "poor bastard" award goes to Rubens. Were it not for bad luck... Matchett was speculating that he ran out of gas. Were similar theories being bandied about on the other side of the pond?
Kevin
I'll be looking forward to the repeat tonight myself, since Speed Channel bollixed up the time. I tuned in at 11:30 a.m. for what should have been the pre-race, only to find them some 15-20 laps into the race. Crikey!
Is it just me, or has DC always been an "almost" driver, whose record of "this year" has to match HH Fretzen's. It's not that DC is bad, it's just that he's had drives with McLaren during their dominant years, with he and Mika treated as equals, and prior to that Williams. Nothing. Once Kimi gets comfortable in the car and on a team like McLaren, I look for him to surpass DC.
John's comment about the tires was echoed by Steve Matchett. And not only that, but when you consider that in the last two "horsepower" situations, a trimmed-out Ferrari has been able to hold its own with the Williams...
This is going to be a really, really cool year. I also think that Toyota's place in the upper reaches of the standings is going to become less and less of a surprise. I like what I'm seeing from that group.
This also strikes me as a "now or never" year for Williams. It seems their car has never been better, or more powerful. The Michelin tires no longer have that "off" period, and Ferrari is still 2-for-3. Both Ralf and JPM are flying, too. I think, personally that if Schumacher (Michael) wins the title, you're going to see a tough time psychologically at Williams.
Now, my "poor bastard" award goes to Rubens. Were it not for bad luck... Matchett was speculating that he ran out of gas. Were similar theories being bandied about on the other side of the pond?
Kevin
| pio!pio! | 03-31-2002 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE]I'll be looking forward to the repeat tonight myself, since Speed Channel bollixed up the time. I tuned in at 11:30 a.m. for what should have been the pre-race, only to find them some 15-20 laps into the race. Crikey! [/QUOTE]
hmm..the preshow was right on time 11:30 EST for me (so 8:30 on the west coast). Isn't Illinois central time? so it would have started at 10:30?
hmm..the preshow was right on time 11:30 EST for me (so 8:30 on the west coast). Isn't Illinois central time? so it would have started at 10:30?
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 04:24 PM |
rubens had total hydraulics failure which meant he had no throttle control or gearchange capability.
I think michelin still does have that lap 5-10 drop off in performance, they are a beter tyre in heat though.
I think michelin still does have that lap 5-10 drop off in performance, they are a beter tyre in heat though.
| gtguy | 03-31-2002 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pio!pio! [/i]
[B]
hmm..the preshow was right on time 11:30 EST for me (so 8:30 on the west coast). Isn't Illinois central time? so it would have started at 10:30? [/B][/QUOTE]
I KNOW! :eek: Yet both my bloody hard-drive recorder and cable box had pre-race at 11:30, race at noon. It's a good thing I tuned in for the pre-race!
Kevin
[B]
hmm..the preshow was right on time 11:30 EST for me (so 8:30 on the west coast). Isn't Illinois central time? so it would have started at 10:30? [/B][/QUOTE]
I KNOW! :eek: Yet both my bloody hard-drive recorder and cable box had pre-race at 11:30, race at noon. It's a good thing I tuned in for the pre-race!
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-31-2002 07:27 PM |
Just watched the repeat highlights. They interviewed Michael and he said he was on a 2 stoper initially but as they hadnt made enough of a gain on Ralph they switched to a one stoper.
Ralph was funny. He said something like "so, that's the F2002, it's no big deal, i dont see why we were all so worried about it now!" :lol:
Chilli Dog had a right go at Michael, saying he blocked him late etc. so nothing changes there, Michael was cool about it saying racing drivers allways say that just after the incident. :lol:
DC said that they basically just dont have the pace of the Williams or Ferrari and they need to get their thinking caps on.
Top job to Jenson, now lying 4th in the drivers table behind Michael, Ralph and Chilli dog, what a turnaround from last year.
Ralph was funny. He said something like "so, that's the F2002, it's no big deal, i dont see why we were all so worried about it now!" :lol:
Chilli Dog had a right go at Michael, saying he blocked him late etc. so nothing changes there, Michael was cool about it saying racing drivers allways say that just after the incident. :lol:
DC said that they basically just dont have the pace of the Williams or Ferrari and they need to get their thinking caps on.
Top job to Jenson, now lying 4th in the drivers table behind Michael, Ralph and Chilli dog, what a turnaround from last year.
| gtguy | 03-31-2002 09:24 PM |
Having finally seen the first lap contretemps, it looked like Montoya went in too hot which allowed Michael alongside and then the Ferrari got GREAT drive off the corner, which allowed Michael in front. Montoya should have used a bit more circumspection, rather than trying to immediately re-pass. I think had he done that he might not have won, but it would have been an excellent race.
Also, kudos to Rick DeBruhl, who is getting much better, but also keeps getting his alternate storyline right. This week, he predicted that Coulthard would get points, calling this a "make or break" race for the Scotsman, and there was DC, in third place. Previously he called for Jenson Button to be best of the rest (at Malaysia, I think) and was right there.
And what kind of crack were the Brazilian TV guys smoking, with those late-rate cutaways from the battle for the lead (on the world feed)? Ah well. Still, what a great race.
Kevin
Also, kudos to Rick DeBruhl, who is getting much better, but also keeps getting his alternate storyline right. This week, he predicted that Coulthard would get points, calling this a "make or break" race for the Scotsman, and there was DC, in third place. Previously he called for Jenson Button to be best of the rest (at Malaysia, I think) and was right there.
And what kind of crack were the Brazilian TV guys smoking, with those late-rate cutaways from the battle for the lead (on the world feed)? Ah well. Still, what a great race.
Kevin
| Dr. WOT | 04-01-2002 01:39 PM |
It was a really good race. The first lap was thrilling, the Renault - McLaren battle, and then the Schumachers battle kept it interesting right to the end. Plus that first corner is one of the best passing opportunities of the season.
I get the impression that if it was JPM closing on MS in the final stages, there would have at least been an attempted pass. Ralf seems especially content to sit behind his brother.
The F2002 seemed very strong on the straight, which means suggests it either has great aerodynamics or great traction, perhaps both (MS's strong start would also suggest better traction over the F2001). And Ferrari sure need to improve in those 2 areas in particular since those are the Williams BMW's strong suits.
Kudos to Interlagos for paving over some of the gravel traps, for sure that kept the F2002 for being totaled on Friday, which for my money was the key to the whole weekend. The F2001 would have had a very difficult time staying in front of the Williams.
Kev, I can't share your enthusiasm for Rick DeBruhl. I don't hate the guy, but my god does he misspeak an awful lot. He knows what he wants to say, but it just doesn't come out right. Everybody does that, but he does it way too much for someone who is supposed to be a professional -- how did he get this far in his career?
John, MS said he was on a converted 2 stopper? I'm trying to makes sense of that, because clearly Barrichello was doing an extra stop given his speed and the fact that MS opened the door for him. But would they send RB out on a 3 stopper? Interlagos has that eternal pit lane-- I don't see how a 3 stop strategy would be competitive. Michael's comment may have been some mind games.
I get the impression that if it was JPM closing on MS in the final stages, there would have at least been an attempted pass. Ralf seems especially content to sit behind his brother.
The F2002 seemed very strong on the straight, which means suggests it either has great aerodynamics or great traction, perhaps both (MS's strong start would also suggest better traction over the F2001). And Ferrari sure need to improve in those 2 areas in particular since those are the Williams BMW's strong suits.
Kudos to Interlagos for paving over some of the gravel traps, for sure that kept the F2002 for being totaled on Friday, which for my money was the key to the whole weekend. The F2001 would have had a very difficult time staying in front of the Williams.
Kev, I can't share your enthusiasm for Rick DeBruhl. I don't hate the guy, but my god does he misspeak an awful lot. He knows what he wants to say, but it just doesn't come out right. Everybody does that, but he does it way too much for someone who is supposed to be a professional -- how did he get this far in his career?
John, MS said he was on a converted 2 stopper? I'm trying to makes sense of that, because clearly Barrichello was doing an extra stop given his speed and the fact that MS opened the door for him. But would they send RB out on a 3 stopper? Interlagos has that eternal pit lane-- I don't see how a 3 stop strategy would be competitive. Michael's comment may have been some mind games.
| TimStevens | 04-01-2002 02:03 PM |
Somewhat off-topic, but I'm curious about the 1-engine rule and how that applies to wrecks in practice. If I wreck my car on Saturday morning practice and completely demolish the engine, and I have to go out and qualify in my spare car, do I get a 10-position penalty for that?
If so, this rule is really terrible and I think we'll be seeing folks *****-foot it around during practice. If not, I think we'll be seeing people put their cars into the wall to intentionally get new engines!
-tim
If so, this rule is really terrible and I think we'll be seeing folks *****-foot it around during practice. If not, I think we'll be seeing people put their cars into the wall to intentionally get new engines!
-tim
| johnfelstead | 04-01-2002 03:03 PM |
Rubens was on a 3 stopper, no question about it. The aim was to get him in 4th which he would have done, had he been 2 stopping he wouldnt have had enough extra performance over one stopers to get him past them and up from 8th.
As to the engine rule change, there is a thread about this already in motorsport. They may as well scrap friday practice because no one will be running, maybe thats the aim?
As to the engine rule change, there is a thread about this already in motorsport. They may as well scrap friday practice because no one will be running, maybe thats the aim?
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-01-2002 03:35 PM |
The Ferrari team management makes me sick. Why not give both drivers an equal chance?
Just because they pay his highness the royal German god of racing, Greatest Driver of ALL TIME a gazillion dollars a year to drive they have to make the teammate his underling..........
Just because they pay his highness the royal German god of racing, Greatest Driver of ALL TIME a gazillion dollars a year to drive they have to make the teammate his underling..........
| TimStevens | 04-01-2002 03:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]As to the engine rule change, there is a thread about this already in motorsport. They may as well scrap friday practice because no one will be running, maybe thats the aim? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was following that thread until it got a little... erm... "longwinded" if you catch my drift ;)
-tim
[B]As to the engine rule change, there is a thread about this already in motorsport. They may as well scrap friday practice because no one will be running, maybe thats the aim? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was following that thread until it got a little... erm... "longwinded" if you catch my drift ;)
-tim
| johnfelstead | 04-01-2002 03:57 PM |
:lol:
It did rather didnt it. :D
That reminds me, i need to see if i can find my F1 engine picies. :D
It did rather didnt it. :D
That reminds me, i need to see if i can find my F1 engine picies. :D
| Dr. WOT | 04-01-2002 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]The Ferrari team management makes me sick. Why not give both drivers an equal chance?[/B][/QUOTE]
You have a right to feel that way, but Ferrari cannot be singled out. Every team on the grid does it for one reason or another.
[B]The Ferrari team management makes me sick. Why not give both drivers an equal chance?[/B][/QUOTE]
You have a right to feel that way, but Ferrari cannot be singled out. Every team on the grid does it for one reason or another.
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-01-2002 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT [/i]
[B]
You have a right to feel that way, but Ferrari cannot be singled out. Every team on the grid does it for one reason or another. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to the extent Ferrari does, IMHO.
[B]
You have a right to feel that way, but Ferrari cannot be singled out. Every team on the grid does it for one reason or another. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to the extent Ferrari does, IMHO.
| johnfelstead | 04-01-2002 04:38 PM |
No they dont. Ferrari are the only team to do this until the points standings make it imposible for the 2nd driver to be champion. Then and only then will Williams, McLaren, Renault etc make it team policy to suport a #1 driver over the #2.
You would think Shuey, being the best, could fight his own battles.
You would think Shuey, being the best, could fight his own battles.
| 63Alpine | 04-01-2002 05:02 PM |
I am a little amazed that people think that JPM was entirely at fault here. Yes he went into that corner too hot and lost the spot because of it. But what Mikey did after that was incredibly lame. Explain to me how he got away without a penalty when he chopped across JPMs bow when JPM moved to the left side of the track then moved back to the right to block JPM again and in doing so took off JPMS wing. What he did was far worse than the incident that happened in Malaysia and JPM got a drive through for it. I thought there was a limit to the number of blocking moves that you could make to stop someone from passing. Michael made two distinct blocking moves and the second one took off the wing as far as I could see.
| johnfelstead | 04-01-2002 05:12 PM |
It was michaels move to the inside that caused the damage, it just looked like it was the move to the outside but it wasnt. Michael was hard but fair i believe, Chilli Dog needs to learn from this. The way they both handled the first series of corners was perfect, Chilli Dog got it wrong where he lost his front wing.
Sure he needs to keep having a go but he also needs to learn to take stock on occasion, he could have won that race but blew it on a move that was never going to work.
Sure he needs to keep having a go but he also needs to learn to take stock on occasion, he could have won that race but blew it on a move that was never going to work.
| 63Alpine | 04-01-2002 06:41 PM |
I will bow to your greater expertise here. :) I am curious though. Is there a limit to the number of blocking moves that a driver can make? I thought that you could only make one distince move and then you had to hold your line. Am I confusing this with another racing series?
| gtguy | 04-01-2002 09:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]The Ferrari team management makes me sick. Why not give both drivers an equal chance?
Just because they pay his highness the royal German god of racing, Greatest Driver of ALL TIME a gazillion dollars a year to drive they have to make the teammate his underling.......... [/B][/QUOTE]
Do I sense a little Schumacher spite, Fred? I think that until Barrichello demonstrates that he has the talent that Michael does...oh, wait...that's right...he doesn't. Never mind.
I don't know if Schumacher is the greatest driver of all time. I do know that Ferrari, like every other manufacturer, values the constructor's championship over the driver's crown, as proof of the superiority of their marque. As such, they want the best driver to have the best opportunity to win. Both drivers will have F2002s at Imola, so we'll see what happens. I'm guessing that Rubens will still be about 5-6 tenths slower than Michael.
Besides, Rubens knew what the deal was when he signed up. Any driver with the talent of Schumacher, means that his second is going to be precisely that. Schumacher has won with great cars, he's won with inferior cars. He's done well with driver aids, he's done well without driver aids. Yes, he's done some thuggish things that make any fan of the man wince, however. I watched Schumacher and Ferrari recover from the Alesi/Berger years, to become a top-flight team. Anyone who lays the sole credit for that at the feet of Michael is nuts, but he certainly deserves as much credit as anyone.
But look...Scottie Pippen, though a great player, would never have questioned the final play of a game being called for Michael Jordan during the Bulls reign. That's just the way it is.
Who wouldn't love to see Montoya or Ralf in a Ferrari, beside Michael? Then again, the Williams is probably a superior car right now, and Michael still wins. I dunno, the "poor Rubens" thing is a tough sell. He's a talented driver and a really, really nice guy. But let's not kid ourselves...he's not as fast as Michael, no way no how.
And then there's the luck factor...man, can one driver have worse luck?
I'm curious about the number of blocking moves too. Clearly, JPM should have shown a little more circumspection, but the red mist took over. I also think that Michael was simply doing what any other driver would have done in that situation. The difference in Malaysia, I think, was that in Brazil, one driver was clearly ahead, while the other driver was sticking his nose where he shouldn't have. Montoya will know better next time. I look forward to a series of great battles between those two. I think that Ralf, ultimately, believes that his brother is a better driver. JPM doesn't believe that ANYBODY is better than he is, and even if they might have a better car, he can still pass 'em. I like that.
Kevin
[B]The Ferrari team management makes me sick. Why not give both drivers an equal chance?
Just because they pay his highness the royal German god of racing, Greatest Driver of ALL TIME a gazillion dollars a year to drive they have to make the teammate his underling.......... [/B][/QUOTE]
Do I sense a little Schumacher spite, Fred? I think that until Barrichello demonstrates that he has the talent that Michael does...oh, wait...that's right...he doesn't. Never mind.
I don't know if Schumacher is the greatest driver of all time. I do know that Ferrari, like every other manufacturer, values the constructor's championship over the driver's crown, as proof of the superiority of their marque. As such, they want the best driver to have the best opportunity to win. Both drivers will have F2002s at Imola, so we'll see what happens. I'm guessing that Rubens will still be about 5-6 tenths slower than Michael.
Besides, Rubens knew what the deal was when he signed up. Any driver with the talent of Schumacher, means that his second is going to be precisely that. Schumacher has won with great cars, he's won with inferior cars. He's done well with driver aids, he's done well without driver aids. Yes, he's done some thuggish things that make any fan of the man wince, however. I watched Schumacher and Ferrari recover from the Alesi/Berger years, to become a top-flight team. Anyone who lays the sole credit for that at the feet of Michael is nuts, but he certainly deserves as much credit as anyone.
But look...Scottie Pippen, though a great player, would never have questioned the final play of a game being called for Michael Jordan during the Bulls reign. That's just the way it is.
Who wouldn't love to see Montoya or Ralf in a Ferrari, beside Michael? Then again, the Williams is probably a superior car right now, and Michael still wins. I dunno, the "poor Rubens" thing is a tough sell. He's a talented driver and a really, really nice guy. But let's not kid ourselves...he's not as fast as Michael, no way no how.
And then there's the luck factor...man, can one driver have worse luck?
I'm curious about the number of blocking moves too. Clearly, JPM should have shown a little more circumspection, but the red mist took over. I also think that Michael was simply doing what any other driver would have done in that situation. The difference in Malaysia, I think, was that in Brazil, one driver was clearly ahead, while the other driver was sticking his nose where he shouldn't have. Montoya will know better next time. I look forward to a series of great battles between those two. I think that Ralf, ultimately, believes that his brother is a better driver. JPM doesn't believe that ANYBODY is better than he is, and even if they might have a better car, he can still pass 'em. I like that.
Kevin
| TimStevens | 04-01-2002 09:27 PM |
I believe the blocking rule is that the driver is allowed a single change to "defend his line," but more than one is technically blocking.
You can add that to the great list of ignored rules, like the 3-second penalty in basketball.
-tim
You can add that to the great list of ignored rules, like the 3-second penalty in basketball.
-tim
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