| mlambert | 05-09-2003 07:42 PM |
[url]http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9472[/url]
Good read there ""At the 'Ring with Röhrl" article taken from the October 1999 issue of UK magazine Car"
You've probably read it John, but everyone else should give it a once over.
Good read there ""At the 'Ring with Röhrl" article taken from the October 1999 issue of UK magazine Car"
You've probably read it John, but everyone else should give it a once over.
| makofoto | 05-09-2003 08:55 PM |
Pretty Amazing ... John's Time that is ... 8'20 is approximately the same time John is doing in a Subaru ... matching Walter Rohrl's Porsche GT3 times!!! :devil:
| Arnie | 05-20-2003 12:37 AM |
Hey John,
I've always wondered why you chose a Subaru over an EVO VI or whatnot? Assuming you've driven both in anger, how do you feel the two compare when properly setup? Just wondering, as most mags have always rated the EVO's dynamically superior to any WRX or STi.
So what's your take on the whole STI/EVO war?
I've always wondered why you chose a Subaru over an EVO VI or whatnot? Assuming you've driven both in anger, how do you feel the two compare when properly setup? Just wondering, as most mags have always rated the EVO's dynamically superior to any WRX or STi.
So what's your take on the whole STI/EVO war?
| johnfelstead | 05-22-2003 06:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by makofoto [/i]
[B]Pretty Amazing ... John's Time that is ... 8'20 is approximately the same time John is doing in a Subaru ... matching Walter Rohrl's Porsche GT3 times!!! :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
Walter can go much faster than that in his GT3 though, i expect i am 30 seconds off his pace in reality. I have lots to learn yet and the GT3 is a faster car round there.
[B]Pretty Amazing ... John's Time that is ... 8'20 is approximately the same time John is doing in a Subaru ... matching Walter Rohrl's Porsche GT3 times!!! :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
Walter can go much faster than that in his GT3 though, i expect i am 30 seconds off his pace in reality. I have lots to learn yet and the GT3 is a faster car round there.
| johnfelstead | 05-22-2003 07:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
[B]Hey John,
I've always wondered why you chose a Subaru over an EVO VI or whatnot? Assuming you've driven both in anger, how do you feel the two compare when properly setup? Just wondering, as most mags have always rated the EVO's dynamically superior to any WRX or STi.
So what's your take on the whole STI/EVO war? [/B][/QUOTE]
I never liked the EVO5/6, i think its an ugly pig that looks like its crashed into a car accesory showroom and all the plastic crap got stuck to it. :lol: The EVO7/8 just looks boring and fat.
I have never driven an EVO in anger, so cant coment first hand on its dynamics, i tend to avoid the EVO vs Scoob debates as they are uterly pointless.
What i have noticed from all the time i have spent on track/road with EVO's is in standard trim an STi RA will out handle and out acelerate one quite easily, a normal WRX and its the other way round as the dynamics of the standard WRX arent that great really, certainly not compared to a DCCD equiped STi, the diference that system makes is huge.
EVO's are slightly cheaper to tune power wise it seems and they are a quick car on track although the handling balance looks a bit horible compared to mine. With equal power the STi RA wins easily in my experience, but i haven't come up against an EVO8, maybe thats better? (i doubt it could cope with an STi5 RA simply based on weight, as to USDM STi which is a bit lardy it could be very close)
As to the USDM EVO vs STi debate, hard to say which is better, i certainly wouldnt go off what the journalists print, most of them cant drive for toffee and if honest wouldnt be able to tell the cars apart or get close to their capabilities. Who knows, i think in the end it comes down to what car you like as an overall package as the diferences, certainly in road driving are going to be small either way.
[B]Hey John,
I've always wondered why you chose a Subaru over an EVO VI or whatnot? Assuming you've driven both in anger, how do you feel the two compare when properly setup? Just wondering, as most mags have always rated the EVO's dynamically superior to any WRX or STi.
So what's your take on the whole STI/EVO war? [/B][/QUOTE]
I never liked the EVO5/6, i think its an ugly pig that looks like its crashed into a car accesory showroom and all the plastic crap got stuck to it. :lol: The EVO7/8 just looks boring and fat.
I have never driven an EVO in anger, so cant coment first hand on its dynamics, i tend to avoid the EVO vs Scoob debates as they are uterly pointless.
What i have noticed from all the time i have spent on track/road with EVO's is in standard trim an STi RA will out handle and out acelerate one quite easily, a normal WRX and its the other way round as the dynamics of the standard WRX arent that great really, certainly not compared to a DCCD equiped STi, the diference that system makes is huge.
EVO's are slightly cheaper to tune power wise it seems and they are a quick car on track although the handling balance looks a bit horible compared to mine. With equal power the STi RA wins easily in my experience, but i haven't come up against an EVO8, maybe thats better? (i doubt it could cope with an STi5 RA simply based on weight, as to USDM STi which is a bit lardy it could be very close)
As to the USDM EVO vs STi debate, hard to say which is better, i certainly wouldnt go off what the journalists print, most of them cant drive for toffee and if honest wouldnt be able to tell the cars apart or get close to their capabilities. Who knows, i think in the end it comes down to what car you like as an overall package as the diferences, certainly in road driving are going to be small either way.
| makofoto | 05-22-2003 12:07 PM |
Of course Walther can be much faster in a GT3 ... but still, his time ... and the reactions that his passanger had ... just go to show how great your car is ... being able to achieve that time. The Scuby driver probably helped a bit also. It would seem your passangers should be even more thrilled ... but perhaps your smoothness takes off the edge ... ;)
I got driven around the Paul Ricard track in France by Didrie Pironi ... the french Ferrari driver ... in a stock Renault sports sedan ... what was impressive was how smooth he was at speed ... throwing this sedan sideways at the end of the old long back straight ... to demonstrate how great Michelin tires are ... flying over the curbs ... but all so relaxed and smooth. :D
I got driven around the Paul Ricard track in France by Didrie Pironi ... the french Ferrari driver ... in a stock Renault sports sedan ... what was impressive was how smooth he was at speed ... throwing this sedan sideways at the end of the old long back straight ... to demonstrate how great Michelin tires are ... flying over the curbs ... but all so relaxed and smooth. :D
| Arnie | 05-22-2003 12:58 PM |
thanks for your insight john. Especially as very few of us here either have your driving experience or real experience with any of these cars we read about. Its nice to hear from somone in the know, you know?:)
| johnfelstead | 06-11-2003 04:40 PM |
Thanks chaps.
Just to update you on the VHS video, Diesel has been busy with this over the last few weeks, the plan is for me to go down to London the last weekend this month to put the finishing touches to it and then we should be set to have it turned around for production, so it shouldnt be too long now before its available. Apologies for the delay but work comitments got in the way of what is a time consuming project to do properly.
Just to update you on the VHS video, Diesel has been busy with this over the last few weeks, the plan is for me to go down to London the last weekend this month to put the finishing touches to it and then we should be set to have it turned around for production, so it shouldnt be too long now before its available. Apologies for the delay but work comitments got in the way of what is a time consuming project to do properly.
| Arnie | 06-11-2003 07:34 PM |
you know I want one! Will jamie be distributing these for you stateside?
| johnfelstead | 06-13-2003 08:08 AM |
Thats the plan Arnie.
| ScoobySimon | 07-08-2003 11:16 AM |
King John ;)
I met John at Spa Francorchamps last March 31st, where he flew by me.
Got a chance to chat with him briefly afterwards, downloading the videos now, see if i'm in them ;-)
BTW John: I was the 1998 WR Blue Mica Euro spec Impreza Turbo
The BMW M Coupe is owned by a Belgian team. It has a 500HP BMW M5 V8 Engine ;)
One of the drivers is Chris van Woensel ([url]www.cvwrallysport.be[/url]), who drives a Subaru Legacy everyday, and last year ran an Impreza WRX STi Version VII in the Rally (Group N)
(It's a small world ain't it ;) )
Hope to catch King John at the Ring some time ;)
Big thumbs up for you John, for making all these videos !!
Got a chance to chat with him briefly afterwards, downloading the videos now, see if i'm in them ;-)
BTW John: I was the 1998 WR Blue Mica Euro spec Impreza Turbo
The BMW M Coupe is owned by a Belgian team. It has a 500HP BMW M5 V8 Engine ;)
One of the drivers is Chris van Woensel ([url]www.cvwrallysport.be[/url]), who drives a Subaru Legacy everyday, and last year ran an Impreza WRX STi Version VII in the Rally (Group N)
(It's a small world ain't it ;) )
Hope to catch King John at the Ring some time ;)
Big thumbs up for you John, for making all these videos !!
| johnfelstead | 07-08-2003 05:35 PM |
Hi Simon, yes i remember you well, i think this may be you?
[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~john.felstead/scoobynet/DCP05006.JPG[/IMG]
This was my top speed at Spa just for your interest.
[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~john.felstead/scoobynet/DCP05000.JPG[/IMG]
I was just on the phone this evening discussing another trip to Spa in September. I have a trip organised to the ring and it may be posible i can add a couple of days at Spa too, hopefully (i have lost track of how many times i have said that!) we will have the Ariel Atom supercharged race car with us for that.
To bring some other things up to date, this sunday i am taking part in a test day for the 10 of the best competition. The 22B drives have fallen through, one blew its head gasket, the other got as high as 567BHP/542ftlbs on the dyno last week and then decided to split a liner, so thats being rebuilt now but wont be ready in time sadly. Here is the engine dyno plot anyway.
[IMG]http://www.wallis2000.co.uk/uploads/Adam-run5&6.JPG[/IMG]
So i am back in my trusty standard engined STi5 TypeRA with 280BHP to take on the monsters coming to this years 10 of the best.
Check the [URL=http://www.200plusclub.com/trackday/entrants.html]Entry List[/URL] , its not complete yet but you get the picture. 850BHP skylines for gods sake. :lol: I have pretty much the lowest power output there, i guaratee i wont be last though. Last year i was fastest Subaru and 4th overall on the handling track with stock suspension, so i'll be looking to match that this year now i have the uprated kit on the car, its going to be tough! I'll try and get some external video shots of the car this weekend, as its a fairly compact area so i'll see if i can get the car dancing for the cameras. :D
The VHS video is still held up, i was due down in london last weekend but we couldnt get the studio time, sorry its taking so long.
[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~john.felstead/scoobynet/DCP05006.JPG[/IMG]
This was my top speed at Spa just for your interest.
[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~john.felstead/scoobynet/DCP05000.JPG[/IMG]
I was just on the phone this evening discussing another trip to Spa in September. I have a trip organised to the ring and it may be posible i can add a couple of days at Spa too, hopefully (i have lost track of how many times i have said that!) we will have the Ariel Atom supercharged race car with us for that.
To bring some other things up to date, this sunday i am taking part in a test day for the 10 of the best competition. The 22B drives have fallen through, one blew its head gasket, the other got as high as 567BHP/542ftlbs on the dyno last week and then decided to split a liner, so thats being rebuilt now but wont be ready in time sadly. Here is the engine dyno plot anyway.
[IMG]http://www.wallis2000.co.uk/uploads/Adam-run5&6.JPG[/IMG]
So i am back in my trusty standard engined STi5 TypeRA with 280BHP to take on the monsters coming to this years 10 of the best.
Check the [URL=http://www.200plusclub.com/trackday/entrants.html]Entry List[/URL] , its not complete yet but you get the picture. 850BHP skylines for gods sake. :lol: I have pretty much the lowest power output there, i guaratee i wont be last though. Last year i was fastest Subaru and 4th overall on the handling track with stock suspension, so i'll be looking to match that this year now i have the uprated kit on the car, its going to be tough! I'll try and get some external video shots of the car this weekend, as its a fairly compact area so i'll see if i can get the car dancing for the cameras. :D
The VHS video is still held up, i was due down in london last weekend but we couldnt get the studio time, sorry its taking so long.
| ScoobySimon | 07-08-2003 07:08 PM |
That's me allright ;)
Great Bizzarini by the way (didn't have mirrors :eek: )
Just checked some data from the Datalogger i borrowed for the day, my top speed just before Les Combes was about 125MPH (real speed). Laptimes were about 3.13-3.25
I've only been driving on track since January.
Love to go back to Spa soon (what's the deal in sept?)
There are some pix online from Spa, March 31st, at:
[url]www.scoobysimon.tk,[/url] then click through to PHOTO ALBUM
Find the SPA album there...
Was first time with my new camera, so pix aren't as good as normal. John is in some of them.
It's 1AM so time to go nite nite
Take care
SS
Great Bizzarini by the way (didn't have mirrors :eek: )
Just checked some data from the Datalogger i borrowed for the day, my top speed just before Les Combes was about 125MPH (real speed). Laptimes were about 3.13-3.25
I've only been driving on track since January.
Love to go back to Spa soon (what's the deal in sept?)
There are some pix online from Spa, March 31st, at:
[url]www.scoobysimon.tk,[/url] then click through to PHOTO ALBUM
Find the SPA album there...
Was first time with my new camera, so pix aren't as good as normal. John is in some of them.
It's 1AM so time to go nite nite
Take care
SS
| Andrew Bacon | 07-08-2003 07:40 PM |
Best of luck on your Ten of the best effort, John.
If you can get some vid footage of it, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be delighted to see it. :)
If you can get some vid footage of it, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be delighted to see it. :)
| johnfelstead | 07-08-2003 08:15 PM |
Thanks for the pictures Simon, some nice ones at the hairpin. Its good to see the car sitting flat on the exit, that was my first time running the whiteline uprated ARB's and rear drop links.
My lap times on the videos i saved seem to be between 3.03 and 3.08, i didnt log them but just got those times off the videos i uploaded. Pretty happy with those for a first visit.
I'll post more info about the september event when i know more.
Thanks Andrew, I'll try and get some video footage from this weekend, i think getting footage of the event proper will have some restrictions on it as they are filming it for SKY TV and a DVD but i'll see what i can do.
My lap times on the videos i saved seem to be between 3.03 and 3.08, i didnt log them but just got those times off the videos i uploaded. Pretty happy with those for a first visit.
I'll post more info about the september event when i know more.
Thanks Andrew, I'll try and get some video footage from this weekend, i think getting footage of the event proper will have some restrictions on it as they are filming it for SKY TV and a DVD but i'll see what i can do.
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 08:14 AM |
Results from the test day for the ten of the best competition.
My top speed over 1.25 mile from a standing start was 158.1MPH
I set the second fastest time on the handling circuit, 0.08s behind the fastest car which is another TypeRA impreza but with 440BHP, this car did an 11.66s 1/4 mile so you can see what a power advantage he has over my standard engine of 280BHP.
I didnt do any 1/4 mile runs as i was concentrating on finding the correct setup for the handling track, you can see how my times steadily drop as i dial the car in to what was a very hot day, the car understeered more than usual so i had to go a bit radical on setup compared to my usual track settings.
Times for Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
Twisty Circuit
1 C92 1 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 37.91 40.09 38.77 38.16 37.91 37.96
[b]1 C53 2 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 37.99 37.99 38.98 38.74[/b]
2 C83 3 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 38.15 38.15
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 38.25 40.86 39.31 38.75 38.67 38.25 38.27
1 C83 4 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 38.34 41.33 38.59 40.07 38.50 38.41 38.34
[b]C53 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 38.60 42.81 41.70 40.23 39.98 40.11 38.60[/b]
C83 5 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 39.49 41.74 39.49 40.62 41.98 40.81 39.85
1 C93 6 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 40.94 40.94 46.99
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 41.50 45.57 42.41 42.18 43.08 42.69 41.50
2 C75 7 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 41.60 42.33 42.45 41.84 41.60
1 C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 41.97 43.51 42.45 45.67 41.97 42.68 42.74
C74 8 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 42.02 42.80 47.81 42.02
1 C68 9 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 42.14 43.05 42.14
C44 10 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 42.17 44.08 43.97 42.17
1 C97 11 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 42.24 42.24 42.45
C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 42.25 45.24 44.87 43.51 43.46 42.56 42.25
C48 12 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 42.41 43.54 42.72 42.41
C51 13 Andy Nichols MG Turbo 2 Ltr 42.55 46.74 42.55
C86 14 Lee Dayer Skyline GTR 2.6L 42.61 44.67 54.64 42.61 43.32 43.13
C37 15 Chris Mann Celica GTA 2 Ltr Turbo 42.93 44.46 44.14 42.93
C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 42.99 51.70 45.16 45.54 44.14 43.82 42.99
1 C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 43.12 43.39 43.88 43.12
C45 Phillip Ord Cosworth 2000cc 43.20 48.43 45.62 44.28 43.73 43.20
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 43.26 46.08 43.26
1 C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 43.26 43.47 43.26 43.66 43.43
C94 Martin Metcalfe Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 43.40 45.87 44.31 43.73 43.40
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 43.47 47.20 44.42 43.47
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 43.65 44.57 51.64 44.07 45.98 43.65 43.94
C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 43.70 43.70 45.55 44.77 44.57 44.10 45.93
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 44.01 44.94 44.48 44.01
C91 William Wain Subaru Impreza 2.0L 44.18 44.18
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 44.29 46.77 44.29 44.41 49.07 47.83 47.64
C84 Mark Bell Toyota Supra TT 3.0L 45.09 46.36 49.94 45.09
C98 Darren Shaw Sierra Cosworth Turbo 45.13 49.80 45.68 45.13
C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 45.25 45.85 45.50 45.25
C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 45.93 45.93 47.40
1 C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 46.62 46.62 46.63
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 46.99 51.11 53.98 51.11 49.03 51.51 46.99
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 47.61 48.27 47.61
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 47.65 52.16 47.65
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 54.57 54.57
My top speed over 1.25 mile from a standing start was 158.1MPH
I set the second fastest time on the handling circuit, 0.08s behind the fastest car which is another TypeRA impreza but with 440BHP, this car did an 11.66s 1/4 mile so you can see what a power advantage he has over my standard engine of 280BHP.
I didnt do any 1/4 mile runs as i was concentrating on finding the correct setup for the handling track, you can see how my times steadily drop as i dial the car in to what was a very hot day, the car understeered more than usual so i had to go a bit radical on setup compared to my usual track settings.
Times for Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
Twisty Circuit
1 C92 1 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 37.91 40.09 38.77 38.16 37.91 37.96
[b]1 C53 2 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 37.99 37.99 38.98 38.74[/b]
2 C83 3 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 38.15 38.15
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 38.25 40.86 39.31 38.75 38.67 38.25 38.27
1 C83 4 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 38.34 41.33 38.59 40.07 38.50 38.41 38.34
[b]C53 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 38.60 42.81 41.70 40.23 39.98 40.11 38.60[/b]
C83 5 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 39.49 41.74 39.49 40.62 41.98 40.81 39.85
1 C93 6 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 40.94 40.94 46.99
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 41.50 45.57 42.41 42.18 43.08 42.69 41.50
2 C75 7 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 41.60 42.33 42.45 41.84 41.60
1 C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 41.97 43.51 42.45 45.67 41.97 42.68 42.74
C74 8 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 42.02 42.80 47.81 42.02
1 C68 9 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 42.14 43.05 42.14
C44 10 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 42.17 44.08 43.97 42.17
1 C97 11 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 42.24 42.24 42.45
C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 42.25 45.24 44.87 43.51 43.46 42.56 42.25
C48 12 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 42.41 43.54 42.72 42.41
C51 13 Andy Nichols MG Turbo 2 Ltr 42.55 46.74 42.55
C86 14 Lee Dayer Skyline GTR 2.6L 42.61 44.67 54.64 42.61 43.32 43.13
C37 15 Chris Mann Celica GTA 2 Ltr Turbo 42.93 44.46 44.14 42.93
C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 42.99 51.70 45.16 45.54 44.14 43.82 42.99
1 C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 43.12 43.39 43.88 43.12
C45 Phillip Ord Cosworth 2000cc 43.20 48.43 45.62 44.28 43.73 43.20
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 43.26 46.08 43.26
1 C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 43.26 43.47 43.26 43.66 43.43
C94 Martin Metcalfe Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 43.40 45.87 44.31 43.73 43.40
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 43.47 47.20 44.42 43.47
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 43.65 44.57 51.64 44.07 45.98 43.65 43.94
C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 43.70 43.70 45.55 44.77 44.57 44.10 45.93
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 44.01 44.94 44.48 44.01
C91 William Wain Subaru Impreza 2.0L 44.18 44.18
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 44.29 46.77 44.29 44.41 49.07 47.83 47.64
C84 Mark Bell Toyota Supra TT 3.0L 45.09 46.36 49.94 45.09
C98 Darren Shaw Sierra Cosworth Turbo 45.13 49.80 45.68 45.13
C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 45.25 45.85 45.50 45.25
C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 45.93 45.93 47.40
1 C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 46.62 46.62 46.63
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 46.99 51.11 53.98 51.11 49.03 51.51 46.99
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 47.61 48.27 47.61
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 47.65 52.16 47.65
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 54.57 54.57
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 08:15 AM |
Top Speed
Flyers at Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
Flyers
3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 189.1 187.4 189.1
1 Harold Wolfenden Suzuki Hayabusa 188.7 40.5 185.5 188.7
2 Stephen Mortimer Suzuki GSXR 1000cc 187.1 186.4 187.1 186.8
C52 Tim Webster Skyline 2.6 Ltr 185.7 185.7 183.3
C49 Ian Simpson Skyline GTR 2.6 Ltr 185.6 185.6 184.6
C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 182.1 153.2 182.1
10 Tony Foster Hayabusa 1300cc 181.8 181.8 178.5
5 Dodge Suzuki Hayabusa 180.6 149.4 123.3 180.6 91.4
C33 Rob Wiles Ford Sierra RS500 2Ltr 179.4 179.4
C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 176.5 176.5
C83 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 176.2 176.2 170.2
C77 Mark Rothwell Skyline GTR 2.6L 176.1 176.1
C87 James Binderman Skyline GTR 2.6L 175.4 175.4 171.8
8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 172.6 172.6 146.5 168.4 151.9
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 172.1 157.2 172.1 155.8
C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 171.0 100.9 171.0 149.4 157.9
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 170.7 170.7
C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 170.5 170.5 163.1
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 169.4 169.4
C82 Michael Canny Toyota Supra 3.0 168.6 168.6
C63 Zahir Hussain BMW M3 3000cc 167.8 159.5 158.1 167.8
C54 Panda Honda NSX 3 Ltr 165.3 165.3 164.3
C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 162.3 117.2 162.3
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 160.9 160.9
[b]C53 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 158.1 158.1[/b]
C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 158.1 158.1
C62 Shahid Mirza Toyota MR2 Turbo 157.4 157.2 157.4
C67 Gavin Davis Nissan 200sx 2000cc 156.5 156.5
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 156.1 156.1
C81 Steve Wheatley Supra IV 3.0TT 155.8 155.8
6 Matt Cohen Honda Fireblade 154.7 154.7 131.0 150.7 152.4
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 154.5 154.5
C61 Nigel Hayes Celicia GT4 1998cc 154.3 154.3 153.7 151.1
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 153.4 126.5 153.4
C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 150.5 150.5
7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 148.0 148.0
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 147.4 147.4
C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 143.7 140.6 143.7
C42 Alan Kwok Honda Civic Type-R 140.8 125.7 140.8 138.3
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 139.5 139.5
C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 134.9 134.9
C90 Mat Bedford Impreza Turbo 2.0L 134.8 134.8
C36 Alex Wagner Rover 620 TI 133.0 133.0
C39 Stuart Baird Rover 218 UUC Coupe 132.1 127.7 127.6 132.1 121.2
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 127.0 119.5 127.0
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 104.3 104.3
Flyers at Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
Flyers
3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 189.1 187.4 189.1
1 Harold Wolfenden Suzuki Hayabusa 188.7 40.5 185.5 188.7
2 Stephen Mortimer Suzuki GSXR 1000cc 187.1 186.4 187.1 186.8
C52 Tim Webster Skyline 2.6 Ltr 185.7 185.7 183.3
C49 Ian Simpson Skyline GTR 2.6 Ltr 185.6 185.6 184.6
C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 182.1 153.2 182.1
10 Tony Foster Hayabusa 1300cc 181.8 181.8 178.5
5 Dodge Suzuki Hayabusa 180.6 149.4 123.3 180.6 91.4
C33 Rob Wiles Ford Sierra RS500 2Ltr 179.4 179.4
C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 176.5 176.5
C83 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 176.2 176.2 170.2
C77 Mark Rothwell Skyline GTR 2.6L 176.1 176.1
C87 James Binderman Skyline GTR 2.6L 175.4 175.4 171.8
8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 172.6 172.6 146.5 168.4 151.9
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 172.1 157.2 172.1 155.8
C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 171.0 100.9 171.0 149.4 157.9
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 170.7 170.7
C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 170.5 170.5 163.1
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 169.4 169.4
C82 Michael Canny Toyota Supra 3.0 168.6 168.6
C63 Zahir Hussain BMW M3 3000cc 167.8 159.5 158.1 167.8
C54 Panda Honda NSX 3 Ltr 165.3 165.3 164.3
C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 162.3 117.2 162.3
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 160.9 160.9
[b]C53 John Felstead Subaru Impreza 158.1 158.1[/b]
C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 158.1 158.1
C62 Shahid Mirza Toyota MR2 Turbo 157.4 157.2 157.4
C67 Gavin Davis Nissan 200sx 2000cc 156.5 156.5
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 156.1 156.1
C81 Steve Wheatley Supra IV 3.0TT 155.8 155.8
6 Matt Cohen Honda Fireblade 154.7 154.7 131.0 150.7 152.4
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 154.5 154.5
C61 Nigel Hayes Celicia GT4 1998cc 154.3 154.3 153.7 151.1
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 153.4 126.5 153.4
C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 150.5 150.5
7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 148.0 148.0
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 147.4 147.4
C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 143.7 140.6 143.7
C42 Alan Kwok Honda Civic Type-R 140.8 125.7 140.8 138.3
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 139.5 139.5
C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 134.9 134.9
C90 Mat Bedford Impreza Turbo 2.0L 134.8 134.8
C36 Alex Wagner Rover 620 TI 133.0 133.0
C39 Stuart Baird Rover 218 UUC Coupe 132.1 127.7 127.6 132.1 121.2
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 127.0 119.5 127.0
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 104.3 104.3
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 08:17 AM |
1/4 mile times
Times for Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
RWUB Bikes
9 Tim Ellis BDR 750cc Turbo 10.22 10.22 10.69 11.12 10.94 10.74
1 8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 10.73 11.13 10.73 10.93 10.93 10.92 11.06
1 3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 10.83 10.87 10.91 10.83
3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 10.87 11.44 11.76 10.92 11.12 10.87 11.06
8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 10.93 11.21 10.93 10.99 10.95 11.07 11.26
2 Stephen Mortimer Suzuki GSXR 1000cc 10.97 10.97 11.07 11.00
2 11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 12.75 13.37 13.00 13.03 12.75 12.83
1 11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 12.88 13.05 13.26 13.18 13.01 12.88 13.13
11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 13.18 13.58 13.97 13.75 13.66 13.18 13.31
7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 19.07 31.63 21.63 20.45 21.23 19.07 21.15
1 7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 21.84 21.84 22.09
RWYB Cars
1 C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 11.66 11.66 11.71
C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 11.74 12.00 12.44 11.82 11.74 12.68 13.39
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 11.80 12.01 11.99 12.01 12.11 12.06 11.80
C52 Tim Webster Skyline 2.6 Ltr 12.14 13.19 12.73 12.60 12.14 12.81
C87 James Binderman Skyline GTR 2.6L 12.26 12.98 12.59 12.26
1 C57 Jamil Mohammed Pulsar GTIR 2000cc 12.30 12.40 12.30 12.32 12.42
C57 Jamil Mohammed Pulsar GTIR 2000cc 12.34 12.71 12.65 12.47 12.52 12.52 12.34
C51 Andy Nichols MG Turbo 2 Ltr 12.52 13.13 12.72 12.52 12.58 13.19
1 C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 12.59 12.59
1 C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 12.68 13.98 12.68 13.20 14.24 13.18 13.35
C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 12.73 12.73 13.45 13.47 13.75 13.13 13.34
C70 Maxim Taylor Mazda RX7 1.3Ltr 12.95 13.08 12.95
C84 Mark Bell Toyota Supra TT 3.0L 12.97 12.97 13.10 13.22
C77 Mark Rothwell Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.00 13.00 13.01
1 C79 Andy Forster Toyota MR2 2.0L 13.06 13.06 13.10
C62 Shahid Mirza Toyota MR2 Turbo 13.07 13.55 13.07 13.28 14.46 13.30
C79 Andy Forster Toyota MR2 2.0L 13.07 14.08 13.07 14.18 13.97 13.48 13.15
2 C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 13.08 13.08
C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 13.08 13.17 13.58 13.14 13.54 13.08 13.55
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 13.09 13.31 13.30 13.09
1 C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 13.14 13.28 13.14
C83 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.16 13.24 13.16 13.55 13.52
C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 13.17 13.30 13.17 13.28 13.53 13.43 13.60
C49 Ian Simpson Skyline GTR 2.6 Ltr 13.20 13.20 13.23
C86 Lee Dayer Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.22 13.26 13.22
C34 Charlie Tsui Mazda RX7 1300cc 13.26 13.33 14.32 13.39 13.26
C45 Phillip Ord Cosworth 2000cc 13.31 37.25 13.31 13.66
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 13.35 13.35 13.93
1 C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 13.40 13.44 13.40
2 C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.43 13.68 13.46 13.43 13.63
C98 Darren Shaw Sierra Cosworth Turbo 13.45 13.45 14.48
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 13.46 14.06 14.44 13.46 14.33 13.78 14.27
C54 Panda Honda NSX 3 Ltr 13.50 13.86 13.50
C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 13.52 14.50 13.52 13.58 13.56 13.54 14.09
C91 William Wain Subaru Impreza 2.0L 13.55 14.53 15.39 13.55 13.68 13.95
1 C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.61 13.92 13.61 13.82 13.81 13.94 13.81
1 C48 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 13.64 13.64 13.82
1 C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 13.66 13.73 13.66
C48 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 13.69 14.57 14.20 14.05 13.87 13.97 13.69
1 C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 13.69 13.69 15.90 13.73
C90 Mat Bedford Impreza Turbo 2.0L 13.72 13.94 13.72
C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.83 13.95 14.39 13.87 13.87 13.83 13.98
C61 Nigel Hayes Celicia GT4 1998cc 13.85 13.88 13.85 13.96 14.30 14.43
C82 Michael Canny Toyota Supra 3.0 13.87 14.72 14.84 13.87 14.48
C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.89 21.96 14.50 14.33 13.90 14.35 13.89
1 C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.89 13.89 14.06 14.35
C88 Simon Thornbury Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.90 14.13 14.52 14.45 14.97 13.90 14.16
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 13.95 14.81 15.97 14.36 14.25 13.95
C37 Chris Mann Celica GTA 2 Ltr Turbo 13.96 14.31 13.96 14.01
1 C88 Simon Thornbury Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 14.06 14.06
C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 14.15 20.44 15.04 14.91 14.55 14.15 14.56
1 C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.21 14.36 14.60 14.21 14.35 14.36 14.30
1 C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 14.22 14.55 14.22 14.48 14.41
1 C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 14.24 14.75 14.24 14.47 23.64 14.43 14.27
C58 Gary Moore Toyota MR2 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.25 14.39 14.48 14.25 14.52 15.48 15.19
C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.28 15.44 14.60 14.48 14.58 14.52 14.28
C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.32 14.46 14.72 14.61 14.80 14.59 14.32
C41 Andy Garbutt Honda Civic Type R 2 14.32 14.32 15.10 14.97 15.02 15.14 14.87
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 14.36 14.58 14.64 15.07 15.04 14.48 14.36
C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 14.41 14.86 15.63 15.08 14.71 14.41 14.62
1 C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.43 14.85 14.61 14.66 14.53 14.51 14.43
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 14.47 14.47
C94 Martin Metcalfe Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 14.48 14.72 14.52 14.48
C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 14.55 14.65 14.55 14.57 14.87 14.69 14.59
2 C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.57 14.57
1 C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 14.60 14.60 15.15
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 14.67 14.67 15.15 14.78 15.21
C67 Gavin Davis Nissan 200sx 2000cc 14.69 15.61 14.69 14.86 15.04 14.87 15.07
C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 14.71 14.71 14.96 14.91 14.86 14.86 14.92
1 C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 14.72 14.86 14.95 14.72 15.26 15.01 15.41
C55 Darren Harvey RS2000 14.74 14.74
C80 Paul Hanson Ford Transit Cosworth 14.84 14.94 14.84 14.88 15.53 15.35
1 C41 Andy Garbutt Honda Civic Type R 2 14.85 15.15 14.86 14.85
C33 Rob Wiles Ford Sierra RS500 2Ltr 14.86 14.86 19.28 19.61
C38 Graham Stott Impreza 2000cc 14.86 14.86 15.25 14.90 15.15
C42 Alan Kwok Honda Civic Type-R 14.99 15.53 15.41 15.23 15.01 14.99 15.00
C40 Jase Cooper Subaru8 STI TIPER 15.01 15.01
1 C58 Gary Moore Toyota MR2 Turbo 2 Ltr 15.05 15.05
2 C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 15.08 15.08
2 C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.10 15.10
C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.16 15.51 15.61 15.75 15.52 15.60 15.16
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 15.31 15.55 18.56 15.31 15.55
1 C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.34 15.34 15.75 15.40 15.65 15.52 15.48
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 15.61 15.61
2 C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.78 15.78
1 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 15.81 16.00 15.96 16.21 16.01 15.81 15.87
C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 15.88 16.18 16.53 16.45 25.40 15.88 16.38
2 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 16.19 16.44 18.40 16.34 16.19 16.26 16.19
C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 16.48 16.84 16.80 16.48
3 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 16.61 16.61
C36 Alex Wagner Rover 620 TI 17.32 17.32
C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 17.38 17.38 17.80 17.48 17.47 17.40 17.50
1 C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 17.48 17.48
1 C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 18.26 18.26 19.36
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 18.29 18.42 21.77 18.79 18.69 18.36 18.29
Times for Elvington 13th July 2003
Weather Very Hot Timekeeper Helen Hartley
No. Name Machine Best t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6
RWUB Bikes
9 Tim Ellis BDR 750cc Turbo 10.22 10.22 10.69 11.12 10.94 10.74
1 8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 10.73 11.13 10.73 10.93 10.93 10.92 11.06
1 3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 10.83 10.87 10.91 10.83
3 Dean Leadsford Kawasaki ZX9R 10.87 11.44 11.76 10.92 11.12 10.87 11.06
8 Michael Burton Suzuki GSXR 750cc 10.93 11.21 10.93 10.99 10.95 11.07 11.26
2 Stephen Mortimer Suzuki GSXR 1000cc 10.97 10.97 11.07 11.00
2 11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 12.75 13.37 13.00 13.03 12.75 12.83
1 11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 12.88 13.05 13.26 13.18 13.01 12.88 13.13
11 Kevin Triumph Trident 900c 13.18 13.58 13.97 13.75 13.66 13.18 13.31
7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 19.07 31.63 21.63 20.45 21.23 19.07 21.15
1 7 Len Wallbank Velocette 350cc 21.84 21.84 22.09
RWYB Cars
1 C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 11.66 11.66 11.71
C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 11.74 12.00 12.44 11.82 11.74 12.68 13.39
C92 Andy Forrest Impreza RA 2.0L 11.80 12.01 11.99 12.01 12.11 12.06 11.80
C52 Tim Webster Skyline 2.6 Ltr 12.14 13.19 12.73 12.60 12.14 12.81
C87 James Binderman Skyline GTR 2.6L 12.26 12.98 12.59 12.26
1 C57 Jamil Mohammed Pulsar GTIR 2000cc 12.30 12.40 12.30 12.32 12.42
C57 Jamil Mohammed Pulsar GTIR 2000cc 12.34 12.71 12.65 12.47 12.52 12.52 12.34
C51 Andy Nichols MG Turbo 2 Ltr 12.52 13.13 12.72 12.52 12.58 13.19
1 C50 Robert Moore R34 Skyline 2800cc 12.59 12.59
1 C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 12.68 13.98 12.68 13.20 14.24 13.18 13.35
C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 12.73 12.73 13.45 13.47 13.75 13.13 13.34
C70 Maxim Taylor Mazda RX7 1.3Ltr 12.95 13.08 12.95
C84 Mark Bell Toyota Supra TT 3.0L 12.97 12.97 13.10 13.22
C77 Mark Rothwell Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.00 13.00 13.01
1 C79 Andy Forster Toyota MR2 2.0L 13.06 13.06 13.10
C62 Shahid Mirza Toyota MR2 Turbo 13.07 13.55 13.07 13.28 14.46 13.30
C79 Andy Forster Toyota MR2 2.0L 13.07 14.08 13.07 14.18 13.97 13.48 13.15
2 C69 Chris Rance Mazda RX7 1300cc 13.08 13.08
C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 13.08 13.17 13.58 13.14 13.54 13.08 13.55
C43 Nigel Feetham Nissa Skyline R33 13.09 13.31 13.30 13.09
1 C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 13.14 13.28 13.14
C83 Dave Harrison Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.16 13.24 13.16 13.55 13.52
C73 Kevin Huntley Supra TT 3.0L 13.17 13.30 13.17 13.28 13.53 13.43 13.60
C49 Ian Simpson Skyline GTR 2.6 Ltr 13.20 13.20 13.23
C86 Lee Dayer Skyline GTR 2.6L 13.22 13.26 13.22
C34 Charlie Tsui Mazda RX7 1300cc 13.26 13.33 14.32 13.39 13.26
C45 Phillip Ord Cosworth 2000cc 13.31 37.25 13.31 13.66
C97 Kes Beech Mazda 323 1.8L 13.35 13.35 13.93
1 C78 David McQuillan Mitsu 3000 GTO TT 13.40 13.44 13.40
2 C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.43 13.68 13.46 13.43 13.63
C98 Darren Shaw Sierra Cosworth Turbo 13.45 13.45 14.48
C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 13.46 14.06 14.44 13.46 14.33 13.78 14.27
C54 Panda Honda NSX 3 Ltr 13.50 13.86 13.50
C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 13.52 14.50 13.52 13.58 13.56 13.54 14.09
C91 William Wain Subaru Impreza 2.0L 13.55 14.53 15.39 13.55 13.68 13.95
1 C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.61 13.92 13.61 13.82 13.81 13.94 13.81
1 C48 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 13.64 13.64 13.82
1 C60 Ian Smith Toyota Celicia 2 Ltr 13.66 13.73 13.66
C48 Bryan James Ford Sierra 2.9 Ltr 13.69 14.57 14.20 14.05 13.87 13.97 13.69
1 C74 Michel Lane Supra TT 3.0L 13.69 13.69 15.90 13.73
C90 Mat Bedford Impreza Turbo 2.0L 13.72 13.94 13.72
C44 Simon Horton Subaru Impreza 2 Ltr 13.83 13.95 14.39 13.87 13.87 13.83 13.98
C61 Nigel Hayes Celicia GT4 1998cc 13.85 13.88 13.85 13.96 14.30 14.43
C82 Michael Canny Toyota Supra 3.0 13.87 14.72 14.84 13.87 14.48
C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.89 21.96 14.50 14.33 13.90 14.35 13.89
1 C75 Brendan Simpson Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.89 13.89 14.06 14.35
C88 Simon Thornbury Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 13.90 14.13 14.52 14.45 14.97 13.90 14.16
C89 Sam Bennion Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 13.95 14.81 15.97 14.36 14.25 13.95
C37 Chris Mann Celica GTA 2 Ltr Turbo 13.96 14.31 13.96 14.01
1 C88 Simon Thornbury Nissan 200 SX 2.0L 14.06 14.06
C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 14.15 20.44 15.04 14.91 14.55 14.15 14.56
1 C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.21 14.36 14.60 14.21 14.35 14.36 14.30
1 C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 14.22 14.55 14.22 14.48 14.41
1 C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 14.24 14.75 14.24 14.47 23.64 14.43 14.27
C58 Gary Moore Toyota MR2 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.25 14.39 14.48 14.25 14.52 15.48 15.19
C71 Mark Lee Rover 220 Turbo 2 Ltr 14.28 15.44 14.60 14.48 14.58 14.52 14.28
C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.32 14.46 14.72 14.61 14.80 14.59 14.32
C41 Andy Garbutt Honda Civic Type R 2 14.32 14.32 15.10 14.97 15.02 15.14 14.87
C93 Paul Firth Subaru Impreza 2.0L 14.36 14.58 14.64 15.07 15.04 14.48 14.36
C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 14.41 14.86 15.63 15.08 14.71 14.41 14.62
1 C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.43 14.85 14.61 14.66 14.53 14.51 14.43
C76 Kevin Lynch BMW M3 Convert 3.0L 14.47 14.47
C94 Martin Metcalfe Subaru WRX Turbo 2L 14.48 14.72 14.52 14.48
C59 Darren Allison Ford Sierra XR41 14.55 14.65 14.55 14.57 14.87 14.69 14.59
2 C99 Richard Bunford Rover 200 2L 14.57 14.57
1 C68 Matthew Peugeot 205 1900cc 14.60 14.60 15.15
C85 Simon Phillips Sierra Cosworth 2.0L 14.67 14.67 15.15 14.78 15.21
C67 Gavin Davis Nissan 200sx 2000cc 14.69 15.61 14.69 14.86 15.04 14.87 15.07
C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 14.71 14.71 14.96 14.91 14.86 14.86 14.92
1 C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 14.72 14.86 14.95 14.72 15.26 15.01 15.41
C55 Darren Harvey RS2000 14.74 14.74
C80 Paul Hanson Ford Transit Cosworth 14.84 14.94 14.84 14.88 15.53 15.35
1 C41 Andy Garbutt Honda Civic Type R 2 14.85 15.15 14.86 14.85
C33 Rob Wiles Ford Sierra RS500 2Ltr 14.86 14.86 19.28 19.61
C38 Graham Stott Impreza 2000cc 14.86 14.86 15.25 14.90 15.15
C42 Alan Kwok Honda Civic Type-R 14.99 15.53 15.41 15.23 15.01 14.99 15.00
C40 Jase Cooper Subaru8 STI TIPER 15.01 15.01
1 C58 Gary Moore Toyota MR2 Turbo 2 Ltr 15.05 15.05
2 C46 Chris Dobson Rover 220 GTI Turbo 15.08 15.08
2 C96 Adam Chuter Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.10 15.10
C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.16 15.51 15.61 15.75 15.52 15.60 15.16
C56 Lee Turner Cortina 2 Ltr 15.31 15.55 18.56 15.31 15.55
1 C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.34 15.34 15.75 15.40 15.65 15.52 15.48
C64 James Cooper Nissan 200SX 2.0L 15.61 15.61
2 C95 John Brown Honda Prelude 2.2L 15.78 15.78
1 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 15.81 16.00 15.96 16.21 16.01 15.81 15.87
C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 15.88 16.18 16.53 16.45 25.40 15.88 16.38
2 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 16.19 16.44 18.40 16.34 16.19 16.26 16.19
C66 Nick Rhodes Peugeot 205 GTI 16.48 16.84 16.80 16.48
3 C72 Phil Bennett Honda CRX 1600cc 16.61 16.61
C36 Alex Wagner Rover 620 TI 17.32 17.32
C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 17.38 17.38 17.80 17.48 17.47 17.40 17.50
1 C35 John Duffy Fiesta Zetec S 1600cc 17.48 17.48
1 C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 18.26 18.26 19.36
C47 Mark Thorp Peugeot 106 1.4Ltr 18.29 18.42 21.77 18.79 18.69 18.36 18.29
| Andrew Bacon | 07-16-2003 09:29 AM |
Great result, John- In the second run of the handling competition, you beat Andy Forest's 2nd run by 2.10 seconds- not bad for a 160 HP disadvantage. Does he still have his stock 5th gear ratio, thus the (+-) 12.5 MPH advantage in the top speed?
If it's not proprietary info, what alignment specs do you run?
Thanks, Andy
If it's not proprietary info, what alignment specs do you run?
Thanks, Andy
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 02:14 PM |
Andy's car has higher gearing than mine, i wasnt on the limiter in top, close though, it was just a case of thats how fast my car could go in 1.25 miles from a standing start, those last few MPH take ages due to drag and you need a lot of extra power to get those extra few MPH.
if you are refering to Andys 40.09 38.77 runs, that was me driving :lol:
I did one run to try and get a feel for the car, the second was me trying a bit harder but well bellow the cars limits. I would have beaten Andy but he changed his setup based on my feedback and made his fastest run as a result, bugger. ;):D:lol:
The reason we were there on sunday was to test the cars setups, the main aim for me is to get the team of Subaru entrants as high as posible in the finish order, if that means i am not fastest then thats OK, because it will mean someone else in a Subaru put in a better time that must be good. ;):D:lol:
I stand no chance overall, as i simply dont have enough power, Andy and the other big power Impreza's stand a good chance of doing well overall, so i am trying to help them do the best they can and am less concerned about my own standings. That doesnt mean i wont be trying hard to beat them all on the handling track, of course i will. :D:D
The car setup i used is clasified until after the event proper. :lol: However I talk about the setup used for normal track and road use earlier in this thread.
if you are refering to Andys 40.09 38.77 runs, that was me driving :lol:
I did one run to try and get a feel for the car, the second was me trying a bit harder but well bellow the cars limits. I would have beaten Andy but he changed his setup based on my feedback and made his fastest run as a result, bugger. ;):D:lol:
The reason we were there on sunday was to test the cars setups, the main aim for me is to get the team of Subaru entrants as high as posible in the finish order, if that means i am not fastest then thats OK, because it will mean someone else in a Subaru put in a better time that must be good. ;):D:lol:
I stand no chance overall, as i simply dont have enough power, Andy and the other big power Impreza's stand a good chance of doing well overall, so i am trying to help them do the best they can and am less concerned about my own standings. That doesnt mean i wont be trying hard to beat them all on the handling track, of course i will. :D:D
The car setup i used is clasified until after the event proper. :lol: However I talk about the setup used for normal track and road use earlier in this thread.
| mlambert | 07-16-2003 02:56 PM |
I'm guessing Andy Forrest is "AndyF"?
170mph in 1.25 miles is very fast for a subaru!
170mph in 1.25 miles is very fast for a subaru!
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 02:59 PM |
Yes, thats AndyF, his car is very fast.
| Andrew Bacon | 07-17-2003 12:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]........the main aim for me is to get the team of Subaru entrants as high as posible in the finish order, if that means i am not fastest then thats OK, because it will mean someone else in a Subaru put in a better time that must be good.....[/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, that 's what I call standing up for the marque! Very cool of you to put your own glory aside for the betterment of the SUBARU collective! :D Skrew Nissan! :lol:
[B]........the main aim for me is to get the team of Subaru entrants as high as posible in the finish order, if that means i am not fastest then thats OK, because it will mean someone else in a Subaru put in a better time that must be good.....[/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, that 's what I call standing up for the marque! Very cool of you to put your own glory aside for the betterment of the SUBARU collective! :D Skrew Nissan! :lol:
| johnfelstead | 10-15-2003 07:21 PM |
Hi Guys,
sorry for the delay in updating this thread, i have had a very hectic few months.
TOTB2 went wrong in a big way for me, my engine died, which has meant rather an expensive rebuild. I killed 2 big ends, crank, rods, bearings, oil pump, oil cooler etc etc. It was an ex STi engine!
I flew out to Finland for the WRC rally 12 hours after getting my car home (long story) then had to wait a couple of weeks to start the rebuild. I rebuilt the engine myself at the workshops of Prosport, who are a top Subaru specialist near where i live. They have a couple of Prodrive built rally cars amongst their stock, a very good workshop. I rebuilt it keeping it standard spec except for some billet steel rods, uprated big end bearings, uprated oil pump plus i had the whole bottom end balanced, rebuilt the top end etc so its a nice strong engine. I am just waiting on it being remapped right now to get it properly setup.
I plan on going out to the nurburgring in a couple of weeks, and i may be able to do something very special with an STi9 Spec C. Early days on that right now but it would be interesting if it happens. I'll keep you informed, fingers crossed!
OK, here is a video i hoped i would never get to see, the final 40 seconds of my engines life. Its taken from outside the car by a spectator, so you get to see and hear it properly for the first time. It sounds awesome at first, but at the finish its got a rather nasty death rattle. Focus isnt the best ;) but its still worth a look.
OK, go to [url]http://homepage.mac.com/achad/TOTB_2_Movies/[/url] and you can then download me on the handling course, plus on my one and only 1/4 mile (ignore the fact the skyline kicks my ass off the line, it was against the clock so i was taking my time ;))
You can also see the 700BHP Norris Designs EVO7 and the 200MPH plus 900BHP Skyline.
And here is a picture from this months Japanese Performance Magazine feature on the event. :)
[img]http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/images/TOTB2Handling.jpg[/img]
sorry for the delay in updating this thread, i have had a very hectic few months.
TOTB2 went wrong in a big way for me, my engine died, which has meant rather an expensive rebuild. I killed 2 big ends, crank, rods, bearings, oil pump, oil cooler etc etc. It was an ex STi engine!
I flew out to Finland for the WRC rally 12 hours after getting my car home (long story) then had to wait a couple of weeks to start the rebuild. I rebuilt the engine myself at the workshops of Prosport, who are a top Subaru specialist near where i live. They have a couple of Prodrive built rally cars amongst their stock, a very good workshop. I rebuilt it keeping it standard spec except for some billet steel rods, uprated big end bearings, uprated oil pump plus i had the whole bottom end balanced, rebuilt the top end etc so its a nice strong engine. I am just waiting on it being remapped right now to get it properly setup.
I plan on going out to the nurburgring in a couple of weeks, and i may be able to do something very special with an STi9 Spec C. Early days on that right now but it would be interesting if it happens. I'll keep you informed, fingers crossed!
OK, here is a video i hoped i would never get to see, the final 40 seconds of my engines life. Its taken from outside the car by a spectator, so you get to see and hear it properly for the first time. It sounds awesome at first, but at the finish its got a rather nasty death rattle. Focus isnt the best ;) but its still worth a look.
OK, go to [url]http://homepage.mac.com/achad/TOTB_2_Movies/[/url] and you can then download me on the handling course, plus on my one and only 1/4 mile (ignore the fact the skyline kicks my ass off the line, it was against the clock so i was taking my time ;))
You can also see the 700BHP Norris Designs EVO7 and the 200MPH plus 900BHP Skyline.
And here is a picture from this months Japanese Performance Magazine feature on the event. :)
[img]http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/images/TOTB2Handling.jpg[/img]
| makofoto | 10-16-2003 01:06 AM |
Don't be shy about posting your 1/4 mile time ... or have you posted it over on the Braggin Rights forum ... :-)
| johnfelstead | 10-16-2003 05:48 PM |
13.12 Seconds.
| Andrew Bacon | 10-16-2003 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]13.12 Seconds. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty damn fast!
[B]13.12 Seconds. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty damn fast!
| johnfelstead | 10-16-2003 07:12 PM |
I would have been late 12's had i had more goes at it i think.
| buster | 10-16-2003 10:46 PM |
After reading this thread...I realized something......I hate you:furious: :huh: :p
| Andrew Bacon | 10-17-2003 02:45 AM |
C'mon, JF seems a decent chap, a gentelman.
...However, since I don't know him from Adam, I'd clip him and take his RA in a Liverpool second. :lol:
Just kiddin' John!
...However, since I don't know him from Adam, I'd clip him and take his RA in a Liverpool second. :lol:
Just kiddin' John!
| johnfelstead | 10-17-2003 07:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by buster [/i]
[B]After reading this thread...I realized something......I hate you:furious: :huh: :p [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: Quite a lot of people say that :confused: :D
[B]After reading this thread...I realized something......I hate you:furious: :huh: :p [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: Quite a lot of people say that :confused: :D
| grandpa rex | 10-18-2003 10:24 AM |
Ahh, my favorite thread of all time is back. Thanks for the update, John.
| johnfelstead | 10-18-2003 12:05 PM |
Pleasure grandpa
| RK Performance | 10-18-2003 12:30 PM |
Videos down? :(
If so, thanks so much anyway. I love your productions, always make me want to go for a drive!
-Ryan
If so, thanks so much anyway. I love your productions, always make me want to go for a drive!
-Ryan
| johnfelstead | 10-18-2003 03:55 PM |
Try this Ryan. [url]http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/JF_handling.AVI-link.avi[/url]
| johnfelstead | 11-03-2003 10:07 PM |
High guys. The DVD from Ten Of The Best II is now available, i have been given permision to host a clip of my car on the handing circuit by the producers, so here it is, hope you enjoy.
[URL=http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/TOTB2HandlingCourse.mpg]STi5 RA handling [/URL]
This is copyrighted, so please use this for personal use only and dont host this elsewhere. :D The DVD is available from [url]http://www.totb.co.uk/shop-dvdvideo.php[/url]
[URL=http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/TOTB2HandlingCourse.mpg]STi5 RA handling [/URL]
This is copyrighted, so please use this for personal use only and dont host this elsewhere. :D The DVD is available from [url]http://www.totb.co.uk/shop-dvdvideo.php[/url]
| makofoto | 11-04-2003 01:40 AM |
Anybody else having problems getting the video to work ... no matter what I do ... I get messages that my various video players, quicktime, etc. doesn't recognize the file ... :confused:
| mkultra69 | 11-04-2003 01:43 AM |
Worked for me??? Im using widows media 9.
| johnfelstead | 11-04-2003 06:55 AM |
i created it in MPEG1 format now, give that a try. [URL=http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/TOTB2Handling2.mpg]STi5 RA Handling2[/URL]
| makofoto | 11-04-2003 10:54 AM |
Thanks John ... works now ... a bit dissappointing though ... :(
(btw. for Macs, the latest version of Windows Media is [only] 7.XX)
(btw. for Macs, the latest version of Windows Media is [only] 7.XX)
| johnfelstead | 11-04-2003 03:33 PM |
some people are hard to please.... What did you expect, cartwheels? :confused:
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-04-2003 05:44 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]some people are hard to please.... What did you expect, cartwheels? :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
Looked pretty damn good to me, kind of an autocross without all those pesky turns.
[B]some people are hard to please.... What did you expect, cartwheels? :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
Looked pretty damn good to me, kind of an autocross without all those pesky turns.
| makofoto | 11-04-2003 10:16 PM |
Come on guys ... I meant dissappointing that you blew your engine and we didn't get to see more of John's great embassadorship for Suby's! :rolleyes:
| Arnie | 11-05-2003 04:14 AM |
That is indeed a total drag about your engine. did you find out what exactly happened to cause the failure? Its not like you were running insane boost or anything. You were pretty much box stock, except for the exhaust correct? So John, what's the latest on the engine rebuild and the video tape?
| johnfelstead | 11-05-2003 07:08 AM |
sorry makofoto, i thought you were having a winge about the footage. :o You are right, i was gutted when the engine failed, havnt felt so disapointed in a long time as i knew i had a chance of winning that.
Why did my engine blow? i cant tell you right now for various reasons, but i do know why. The engine was basically stock, but had been fitted with a decat system and remapped the week before the event. I rebuilt it as stock, but with some quality steel rods, motorsport oil pump and bearings, balanced bottom end etc. just to add more safety should i choose to up the power at a later date, it's currently running around 310BHP.
The video, i chased this up yesterday actually. It looks like the only way this is going to get done is if i spend the christmas week down in London in the studio. Diesel has been totally snowed under with work projects (plus just had a baby) and there hasnt been any free time available for the editing suite. We have booked the week over christmas now, so i am about as sure as i can be that we will get it produced then.
Sorry for the delay, it is frustrating as i know its going to be a great video.
Why did my engine blow? i cant tell you right now for various reasons, but i do know why. The engine was basically stock, but had been fitted with a decat system and remapped the week before the event. I rebuilt it as stock, but with some quality steel rods, motorsport oil pump and bearings, balanced bottom end etc. just to add more safety should i choose to up the power at a later date, it's currently running around 310BHP.
The video, i chased this up yesterday actually. It looks like the only way this is going to get done is if i spend the christmas week down in London in the studio. Diesel has been totally snowed under with work projects (plus just had a baby) and there hasnt been any free time available for the editing suite. We have booked the week over christmas now, so i am about as sure as i can be that we will get it produced then.
Sorry for the delay, it is frustrating as i know its going to be a great video.
| Arnie | 11-06-2003 02:58 AM |
great news about the video, but no rush there. we've all waited this long and i'm sure it will be great and very eductational. now i hope you don't get sued by the n-ring for putting it together.
can't wait to hear how the motor runs after this rebuild. Should be better than before. best of luck john.
can't wait to hear how the motor runs after this rebuild. Should be better than before. best of luck john.
| ZombieSVX | 11-09-2003 12:40 PM |
After you get some new camera hookups.. perhaps we will see.. GET AWAY IN STOCKHOLM IN STi5 !!
I can dream. :P
I can dream. :P
| wrxinfx | 11-09-2003 02:23 PM |
forget Stockholm - I want to see him do it in London!
| johnfelstead | 11-14-2003 07:01 PM |
The engine is running great now, nuts as it may sound i have put 10,000 miles on it since i rebuilt it. :eek: It's producing 250BHP/252lbft @ the wheels.
I dont do the street racing thing, i save all my fast stuff for the track, it's the only way to keep yourself and everyone else safe!
:alien: :banana: :D
I dont do the street racing thing, i save all my fast stuff for the track, it's the only way to keep yourself and everyone else safe!
:alien: :banana: :D
| jmh | 11-14-2003 10:15 PM |
10,000 miles:eek: that sounds like alot of driving in short amount of time. would you mind telling us how you broke her in...new engine that is.Looking forward to your continued driving exploits.
cheers
cheers
| johnfelstead | 11-16-2003 01:39 PM |
i ran the engine in pretty quickly, just a few days. When i changed the oil and started to load it up it was detting badly, so i spent 2000 miles getting that diagnosed and sorted out.
Since then i have been to the nurburgring which is 1500 miles, plus i drove to Spain for the Catalunya rally, i did 3250 miles in that trip alone!
Then when back from catalunya i drove back to london to get the engine remapped, then back home again, thats another 500 miles.
The rest is just doing my usual potering about, i do get about a fair bit. For example i drove to cardiff for Rally GB, came back to manchester, then the next day drove to edinburgh to see michael moore live, driving straight back the same day. I probably use my impreza more than the majority of people.
Since then i have been to the nurburgring which is 1500 miles, plus i drove to Spain for the Catalunya rally, i did 3250 miles in that trip alone!
Then when back from catalunya i drove back to london to get the engine remapped, then back home again, thats another 500 miles.
The rest is just doing my usual potering about, i do get about a fair bit. For example i drove to cardiff for Rally GB, came back to manchester, then the next day drove to edinburgh to see michael moore live, driving straight back the same day. I probably use my impreza more than the majority of people.
| MattDell | 11-16-2003 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by makofoto [/i]
[B]Thanks John ... works now ... a bit dissappointing though ... :(
(btw. for Macs, the latest version of Windows Media is [only] 7.XX) [/B][/QUOTE]
We have WMP9. Microsoft really needs to put this on their Mactopia web site: [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx[/url]
-Matt
[B]Thanks John ... works now ... a bit dissappointing though ... :(
(btw. for Macs, the latest version of Windows Media is [only] 7.XX) [/B][/QUOTE]
We have WMP9. Microsoft really needs to put this on their Mactopia web site: [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx[/url]
-Matt
| Keshav | 12-02-2003 03:25 PM |
Bumper cam rules.
| Caddy Daddy | 12-05-2003 08:19 PM |
good thread.
you appear to be quite the precise and articulate human being.
the videos are highly appreciated - very educational.
you appear to be quite the precise and articulate human being.
the videos are highly appreciated - very educational.
| Andrew Bacon | 12-11-2003 01:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B].....Those settings are for my car perminantly, i use it as my daily driver. Having zero toe front/rear isnt a good idea IMHO as it makes the car wander and isnt as stable under braking. If you run zero rear toe you introduce rear end instability. Having more rear toe on the Impreza increases its tendency to power oversteer too, if you want it to be very oversteery you could run as much as 10 minutes toe in on the rear per side.
ET is the offset of the wheel, its the amount the wheel sits inboard of the centre line of the hub. Every car has diferent suspension geometries and needs diferent wheel offset's to place the wheel in the correct position. RWD and FWD/AWD cars use very diferent offset values normally. My westfield used ET13 for example. Standard offset is ET52, prodrive tend to try and stay within a few millimeteres of this, though on the STi 18" wheels they have gone more towards ET45. The car sufers more from torque steer and straight line instability using ET45 but the response is much improved, it's a bit of a trade off, the car is harder to drive on a bumpy road, but it does what you want more instantaneously. [/B][/QUOTE]
(From the first page)
That should be read by anyone asking about suspension mods.
John,
Any recomendations on alignment settings for GC with
an ALK, 20mm F / 24mm R sway bars, P1 springs, AGX struts,
and 48mm offset 17's on 215-45 tires? What would those blokes at PowerStation do? :)
I have tried zero toe with 1 degree of neg. camber all around and all of the traits you mention above are exactly right. The ALK pulls the castor back about 4 degrees total. I like the crisp turn in and lack of push, but it digs into the apex (oversteers) more than I sometimes want it too. :eek: Also bump steer is huge compared to stock, but I feel like that is a ride height issue.
Anyway, please PM or post with your thoughts.
I'm rediscovering the vids with the new DSL here. Thanks again!~
[B].....Those settings are for my car perminantly, i use it as my daily driver. Having zero toe front/rear isnt a good idea IMHO as it makes the car wander and isnt as stable under braking. If you run zero rear toe you introduce rear end instability. Having more rear toe on the Impreza increases its tendency to power oversteer too, if you want it to be very oversteery you could run as much as 10 minutes toe in on the rear per side.
ET is the offset of the wheel, its the amount the wheel sits inboard of the centre line of the hub. Every car has diferent suspension geometries and needs diferent wheel offset's to place the wheel in the correct position. RWD and FWD/AWD cars use very diferent offset values normally. My westfield used ET13 for example. Standard offset is ET52, prodrive tend to try and stay within a few millimeteres of this, though on the STi 18" wheels they have gone more towards ET45. The car sufers more from torque steer and straight line instability using ET45 but the response is much improved, it's a bit of a trade off, the car is harder to drive on a bumpy road, but it does what you want more instantaneously. [/B][/QUOTE]
(From the first page)
That should be read by anyone asking about suspension mods.
John,
Any recomendations on alignment settings for GC with
an ALK, 20mm F / 24mm R sway bars, P1 springs, AGX struts,
and 48mm offset 17's on 215-45 tires? What would those blokes at PowerStation do? :)
I have tried zero toe with 1 degree of neg. camber all around and all of the traits you mention above are exactly right. The ALK pulls the castor back about 4 degrees total. I like the crisp turn in and lack of push, but it digs into the apex (oversteers) more than I sometimes want it too. :eek: Also bump steer is huge compared to stock, but I feel like that is a ride height issue.
Anyway, please PM or post with your thoughts.
I'm rediscovering the vids with the new DSL here. Thanks again!~
| johnfelstead | 12-11-2003 07:09 PM |
Thanks chaps.
I would try a 22mm front sway bar with a 24mm rear bar, or try going down to a 22mm rear bar, that will help balance the chassis out a bit better.
To combat the bump steer, drop the steering rack 5mm. To do this make 2 shim plates up plus 4 x 5mm washers, the shim sits between the rack and the subframe, the washers sit between the U brakets that clamp the rack and the subfame. That should get your steering geometry closer to zero bumpsteer. You will have to slacken and reposition the steering knuckle joint to allow the rack to drop down too.
Ride height is very important on the Impreza, they dont react well to lowering and in fact the lower you drop them, the more they roll. Best handling i have found is using stock TypeRA ride height at the front and have the rear sitting 3mm higher than the front, to give some positive rake, that helps to generate front end bite on turnin.
Tyres, you should use 215/40x17 with the GC8, 45 profile is too big.
With regards to the video production, it's all booked for me to go down to london first weekend of Jan to finish it off, so hopefully thats going to be all sorted soon.
I would try a 22mm front sway bar with a 24mm rear bar, or try going down to a 22mm rear bar, that will help balance the chassis out a bit better.
To combat the bump steer, drop the steering rack 5mm. To do this make 2 shim plates up plus 4 x 5mm washers, the shim sits between the rack and the subframe, the washers sit between the U brakets that clamp the rack and the subfame. That should get your steering geometry closer to zero bumpsteer. You will have to slacken and reposition the steering knuckle joint to allow the rack to drop down too.
Ride height is very important on the Impreza, they dont react well to lowering and in fact the lower you drop them, the more they roll. Best handling i have found is using stock TypeRA ride height at the front and have the rear sitting 3mm higher than the front, to give some positive rake, that helps to generate front end bite on turnin.
Tyres, you should use 215/40x17 with the GC8, 45 profile is too big.
With regards to the video production, it's all booked for me to go down to london first weekend of Jan to finish it off, so hopefully thats going to be all sorted soon.
| sirfrankwilliams | 12-11-2003 10:36 PM |
John,
Your technical posts are always a charm to read. You have skill with words so that even us numb nuts can understand what you're talkiing about.
Like lots of others, I'm still patiently waiting for your video release. I know its gunna be great! :banana:
Your technical posts are always a charm to read. You have skill with words so that even us numb nuts can understand what you're talkiing about.
Like lots of others, I'm still patiently waiting for your video release. I know its gunna be great! :banana:
| makofoto | 12-11-2003 10:41 PM |
John ... what's your general opinion of adding a bit (1/16th inch) of toe out on a WRX ... minus 1 degree camber all around. I'm going to start doing a bit of AutoX'ing again.
Certainly seems to help make the turn in faster!
Certainly seems to help make the turn in faster!
| DJ 9iron | 12-12-2003 02:41 AM |
How about these Ring pics?!
Pulled off of a random site...
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/27142345.jpg[/IMG]
Scooby hauler!
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/27142409.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/19155125.jpg[/IMG]
Pulled off of a random site...
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/27142345.jpg[/IMG]
Scooby hauler!
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/27142409.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.adamanda.org/ring/00/08/bp/19155125.jpg[/IMG]
| 4or2wheels | 12-12-2003 05:27 AM |
The best of both worlds- Motorcycles and Scoobys:D
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