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Video lap of the Nurburgring, STi5 TypeRA Style part 10

ElTorrente 02-15-2004 09:53 PM

Another great video.

Have you ever driven that car in an autoX type of course? I'd love to see a video of that. great driving and keep the vids coming they are awesome!
meebs 02-16-2004 12:56 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ElTorrente [/i]
[B]Excellent, smooth driving.

It's very obvious you have total, complete control of the car- very, very impressive! Someday I hope to be half as good as you. [/B][/QUOTE]

ditto!
scoobdo 02-16-2004 02:38 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dowroa [/i]
[B]Oh an aside:

I know you have been driving on tracks for a while. I was just wondering what level of personal commitment it has cost you to do the amount of track days and runs at Nurburgring in terms of mechanical costs and just equipment to keep the car running at that level for so long :).

[/B][/QUOTE]

Aside from the car running costs, damn expensive :(

[url]http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/prices.html[/url]
johnfelstead 02-16-2004 06:25 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by makofoto [/i]
[B]First, I'd love to see you post a transcript of your conversation with your co-driver ... that would be fascinating for many of us ...[/B][/QUOTE]

Gareth and I are just chinwagging for most of the laps, having fun. We were talking about the diff settings a bit at first. Then we have a chat about the brake pads i am using. I have been doing some testing for EBC of their new ceramic compounds for around 6 months now, they gave me lots of diferent materials to try out at the nurburgring and on my trip to Catalunya both on the road and track and based on the feedback i have given they have finalised their compound choices for sale in the UK and USA. EBC's old materials were not good at all on a car like an Impreza, but the new Ceramic materials are very impresive. I had the chief designer of the materials with me at the last trackday i did before christmas getting some data for their full race pads. The pads i am running in this latest footage is the Ceramic Red compound that has just been released to the public in the UK and is being launched this week in the USA i think.

I was also testing an STi4 TypeRA tarmac rally car in the morning for a local rally driver who hadnt done much with an Impreza before, so he asked me to give the car a run and give him some pointers for setup, so Gareth was asking me what i thought of it. I was basically saying that the car is a really nice package but needed some work on the suspension geometries/spring rates/ride height and engine mapping but once he had made the changes i was sugesting it would be very competitive. We shall see as he has had this work done now and is doing his first rally in the car this coming weekend. The engine felt very flat to me but Martin didnt have any reference due to lack of experience with these cars, he has changed the turbo spec and found on remapping it that the boost was miles out of what was required, i think he should go well. The car is on the rollers tomorrow for a final power run. I had him order new spring lengths and rates too, it's going to drive very diferently now.

We were also chatting about how using trail braking really helps the rear end to come round and kills understeer in such slippy conditions, i would say that alone was worth 3 seconds a lap. There is a very slippy double apex corner called druids where you can have the car in a nice 4 wheel drift, we were chatting about how the chassis balance was on that which is where you see us gesturing a bit at 8:50ish and then we just finish off chatting about how its much easier on the car driving in the wet. I love wet weather driving, i prefer it to the dry on UK tracks, you can have much more fun with the car. I prefer the dry at the nurburgring though, as that place is dangerous enough without the problems of standing water and very changable grip levels you see throughout the circuit when it rains.

Nice idea on the sponsorship, ;) but i cant see many people giving me the funds to race. I wouldnt use my road car for that as its just too easy to destroy the car in competition. If i could do anything now, it would be to have a go at Pikes Peak, thats the kind of challenge i would do well at i think, i learn roads very quickly compared to most people so i think i could give quite a few of the regulars a fright there if i was lucky enough to get a drive. It's a nice thought anyway. :D
johnfelstead 02-16-2004 07:19 PM

Thanks for the kind words. :D

Running costs i tend to avoid totting up for obvious reasons. :lol: But i'll break down the general costs if i dont break anything for you.

Tyres: I always run part worn tyres on a second set of wheels on track days, i see no point spending hundreds of pounds on tyres if all i am doing is having fun. I am quite easy on tyres too, as i dont drive with tons of understeer, i have a good feel for their limits, so they tend to last well for me. So you can budget £100 per day/ring trip on tyres.

Brakes: The best investment you will ever make with an Impreza is to junk the Subaru front brakes and install some AP Racing 330mm vented grooved disks/bells and 4 pot brake calipers. With these you can run all day with no brake problems. I started out using mintex pads that would cost me probably £150 a set front/rear (last 2 trackdays). Then EBC asked me to do some testing for them and i havnt bought a brake pad since, I have tested 4 diferent compounds now. Brake disks have lasted me incredibly well, i have only replaced one set so far at £360 buying from a motorsport wholesaler.

Fuel: I normally get 4 laps of the nurburgring per tankfull and will do 12 laps a day, so thats 150 litres at a cost of 80 pence a litre. so about £120 a day on fuel once on track, i normally go for 3 days so thats £360. Getting to the nurburgring for me is a 1200 mile round trip, at 240 miles per 50 litres thats 5 tankfulls. Fuel in the UK is a bit more than Europe, so that costs about £210 more. On a UK trackday i'll probably use £150 worth of fuel plus between £50 and £150 to get there.

Insurance: included in my road policy for the ring, but on a UK track i have to pay £130 per day to have £11,000 cover. I have never had a crash on track in 11 years of track driving, but that doesnt affect my premium as its everyone else on track thats the problem, so they tell me. :huh: I cant afford to lose the value of the car so it's got to be paid.

Ferry: I get cheap crossings, usually costs about £70 with my contacts.

Servicing: I change the oil and filter after every trackday, that adds another £50 to the costs. Gearbox and rear diff oils get changed every 10,000 miles. I use Redline Heavy Shockproof. Cost is about £100 i think.

The only thing that i seem to have killed on this car from trackdays is 3 wheel bearings, i have the large homologation special bearings and hubs on my car, i am sure with normal WRX size beraings i would have killed more. Oh yeh, i wore the rear diff out too, :lol: so replaced that with a low mileage replacement from a breakers yard for £300.

Hotels at the ring: I usually pay £20 a night, food is pretty cheap, as is the beer.

Multiply everything by 1.883 to get the costs in $

I think i will stop now. :lol::eek:
johnfelstead 02-16-2004 07:38 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ElTorrente [/i]
[B]Have you ever driven that car in an autoX type of course? I'd love to see a video of that.[/B][/QUOTE]

The only thing that has come close to an AutoX i have driven in recently has been the Ten of the Best competitions, where i was fastest Subaru and set the 4th overall time in 2002. My engine blew first run in 2003 unfortunately, at the test day i was 2nd overall so i was gutted about that. I posted a video earlier in the thread from the 2003 one and only lap my car managed to complete.

I had a go in Jamies WRX Wagon Rally Car when i was over for Rim of the World at the rallyX down in Hillsborough, Oregon, that was a lot of fun.

The video will definately be in NTSC format, it's looking promising we can do this in DVD too if i can sort out a master to get duplicated in the USA. The costs in the UK for this are rediculous and really imposible to achieve with the way the $/£ is right now but we think we have the ability to master in NTSC DVD with a bit of jiggery pokery on the AVID then get a US based company to run the copies off for us. Fingers crossed on that. If that doesnt work out then we will produce the VHS in NTSC.
dowroa 02-16-2004 10:53 PM

Thanks for replying to the lowly questions of mine. I just find it interesting that it seems like you have bee running that STi v5 for what seems like forever.

People here seem to change cars as much as they change underwear, so I was just trying to see if it is possible to keep the same car on the track for quite a while minus the replacable bits on the car (oil, fluids, tires, brake pads).

Thanks for all the input, and keep the videos coming. That is what keeps me going "one day, I am going to try to be half as good as john."

Mental note: Buy my johnfelstead® driving gloves so I can become faster :)

- dow
johnfelstead 02-17-2004 06:43 PM

There is nothing lowly about your questions dow. I have owned my STi since june 2002 and driven it almost every day since. The longest time it was off the road was when the engine failed 200 miles after a remap, what a huge cockup that was!

I bought the car with 25K miles on the clock, it now has 65K. Time for a change soon, i'll probably go for a twin scroll Spec C for my next Impreza. It's almost tempting to import a USDM STi with the current exchange rates, selling it later would be a struggle though. :furious:
Rebellion 02-17-2004 10:51 PM

hmmm... you've only had it since june 02? sheesh I thought it had been longer than that. What'd you have before? (I seem to remember a green little track car of some sort)
dowroa 02-17-2004 10:55 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebellion[/i]
[B] hmmm... you've only had it since june 02? sheesh I thought it had been longer than that. What'd you have before? (I seem to remember a green little track car of some sort) [/B][/QUOTE]

Wasnt that the Legacy? If i rememebr correctly, he has a video of it on here somewhere on the 11 pages (at 50 posts per page) .. hmmm..

- dow
jmh 02-18-2004 12:01 AM

John, I'm sure I speak for many, go for the USDM STI. Your input would be valuable to us. What brake fluid are you currently using? It's been said before, but thanks again for your posts and the efforts of those behind you.:banana:

Cheers,
Joe
makofoto 02-18-2004 12:45 AM

John ... are the ceramic pads only for track days ... ? Aren't they "dangerous" for street driving where one doesn't get enough heat into them?

Do they eat up rotors much faster then the usual "sport" pads ...
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 09:22 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebellion [/i]
[B]hmmm... you've only had it since june 02? sheesh I thought it had been longer than that. What'd you have before? (I seem to remember a green little track car of some sort) [/B][/QUOTE]

I have had lots of quick cars in the past, i ran an Impreza Sport as my road car before the STi but ran a diferent car for my track driving. That was a 330BHP Escort Cosworth Turbo engined Westfield, it weighed 700Kg and was 475BHP/Tonne. That was very quick. Prior to that i ran a RWD Sapphire Cosworth with 350BHP which i used daily and on track.

There is a lap of the ring with me driving the westfield being followed by a Yamaha R1 superbike, it was early days at the ring for me then, i would be in the 7:30 region in that car now. [URL=http://208.184.121.11/i-club/Westie_Vs_YamahaR1_nurburgring.mpeg]Westie V R1[/URL]

This is my old westfield.
[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~john.felstead/scoobynet/knickerbrook.JPG[/IMG]
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 09:39 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by makofoto [/i]
[B]John ... are the ceramic pads only for track days ... ? Aren't they "dangerous" for street driving where one doesn't get enough heat into them?

Do they eat up rotors much faster then the usual "sport" pads ... [/B][/QUOTE]

The Brake fluid i use is just ordinary DOT4.1, i never have problems boiling fluid with the AP's, if i was on the stock Subaru brakes that would be a diferent matter although the ceramic Reds seem to insulate the pistons from heat pretty well, completely the oposite to Carbon Metalic pads that put masses of heat into the pistons.

The EBC Ceramic Red compound is homologated for use on the road, it works from cold better than stock materials and i have yet to fade it, depite setting the paint on the backing plates on fire when going across the mountains in Catalunya. :lol: They have been made with fast road driving in mind but with the ability to also be exceptional on track. The pads i am running in my last videos are the ones i drove to Catalunya and back with, plus used on the road every day since. I replaced them this week, that is incredible performance for a road pad.

They have worn my rotors less than the Carbon Matalic Performance Friction pads i have run, and about the same as Mintex M1155's but produce a lot less dust than the Mintex.

The old EBC materials were rubish for a car the weight of an Impreza, i used to be very anti, so it was a very pleasant surprise to find the new materials actually worked incredibly well. It was very refreshing to have the CEO of EBC wanting genuine feedback, warts and all, so they could improve the product. EBC have gone through some major changes in the last 18 months, with a new CEO buying his own production factory so they have control over the products, it's transformed the pads IMHO.
Arnie 02-18-2004 01:20 PM

Your experience with these new EBC pads is interesting John. As you know, the EBC stuff has gotten a pretty bad rep here, especially combined with the DBA rotors. It will interesting if your recommendation will turn the tide. I know I wouldn't touch a set with a 30 meter ceramic lined pole!:lol:
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 02:19 PM

You dont need to tell me Arnie. This is what i wrote when i was offered the chance to test their new materials. "The old spec pads from EBC are utter pants, so if he wants to prove they are now not utter pants, get me a set and i will either slag them off or praise them with an honest opinion." :eek:

I think from that you can see how little regard i had for them at the time, Andy Freeman who is the CEO took a risk letting me try these but the feedback i gave helped them in a big way to get the materials right. I dont have any reservations about sugesting people try these new compounds because they work.

If you do want to try them, make sure you get the Ceramic Red and not the old style Red, they are masively diferent.

You can read up on my testing results in a large scoobynet thread [url]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/showthread.php?t=223712[/url]
dowroa 02-18-2004 02:26 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead[/i]
[B] You dont need to tell me Arnie. This is what i wrote when i was offered the chance to test their new materials. [b]"The old spec pads from EBC are utter pants, so if he wants to prove they are now not utter pants, get me a set and i will either slag them off or praise them with an honest opinion."[/b] [/B][/QUOTE]

Man, I love that quote.. I think I am going to have to start using it everyday in combination with insulting someone while calling them a 'muppet'

"You, sir, are utter pants!! You will be slagged, muppet!!"

Brits rule! :)

- dow
scoobdo 02-18-2004 07:17 PM

John,

Are you not tempted by the new Subaru Type-25?

[url]http://www.type-25.com[/url]
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 07:24 PM

I would love a Type25, but my finances cant stretch to that right now unfortunately. I know a hell of a lot about that car and the work that has gone into its inception, i knew all about it before it had it's public launch.

I havnt driven it yet, but i have an open invite whenever i am in the area. I was trying to convince Iain to let me have it for the weekend to take to the Nurburgring but he went a bit white for some reason. :lol::D
scoobdo 02-18-2004 07:40 PM

Bugger, and there was me thinking I could swindle a ride when I'm back in April ;) but anyway I'm darn sarth haha!

What about an EVO RS?

For anyone wanting to read John's comments on the pads its page twenty of that thread!

[url]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/showthread.php?t=223712&page=14&pp=20[/url]
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 08:04 PM

Page 14 ;) has my initial testing from the nurburgring and subsequent analysis at the factory. Page 16 has a good report on how they performed on the road under very severe conditions.
johnfelstead 02-18-2004 08:04 PM

EVO?:confused: whats that?:lol: :disco: :huh: :D
dowroa 02-18-2004 09:41 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead[/i]
[B] EVO?:confused: whats that?:lol: :disco: :huh: :D [/B][/QUOTE]

Ooooh... That is a good question. Have you ever driven an Evo? I like your opinions as it seems to come from a drivers point of view rather than a close minded enthuastist (like myself :) well, not really, but I like my subies).

Just wondering as the EVO is supposed to be more of a drivers car. However, please don't turn to the dark side, or I shall forever be banned from NASIOC. :)

- dow
Penguinking 02-18-2004 11:03 PM

what about the new saker kit car w/ an EJ20 in it? :banana:

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=494540&highlight=rolex[/url]
johnfelstead 02-19-2004 05:44 AM

That thing is hideous. It looks like something out of the 1970's kit car era rather than a 2004 car. Way too many things wrong with it that i can see just from a few pictures, so whats hiding under the skin is anyones guess.
Takashi 02-19-2004 10:25 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dowroa[/i]
[B] Ooooh... That is a good question. Have you ever driven an Evo? I like your opinions as it seems to come from a drivers point of view rather than a close minded enthuastist (like myself :) well, not really, but I like my subies).

Just wondering as the EVO is supposed to be more of a drivers car. However, please don't turn to the dark side, or I shall forever be banned from NASIOC. :)

- dow [/B][/QUOTE]


hey john, you didn't answer the guys question...:D have you ever driven an evo? impressions?
greg
Soontobe 02-19-2004 11:36 PM

I think he said way earlier in the thread he has never driven one.
makofoto 02-20-2004 12:37 AM

John ... do you know anything about the Prodrive Active Suspension that is going to be released soon ... any idea or opinion if these bits would work (well) on a AutoX'ing WRX? I can't live with super stiff coil overs ... so their Active Suspension might be the ticket?
Takashi 02-20-2004 01:51 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Soontobe[/i]
[B] I think he said way earlier in the thread he has never driven one. [/B][/QUOTE]

whoops... thread is too long. didn't want to read all 20 pages of it :)
johnfelstead 02-20-2004 07:58 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Takashi [/i]
[B]hey john, you didn't answer the guys question...:D have you ever driven an evo? impressions?
greg [/B][/QUOTE]

I have driven one for a few yards, didnt do anything for me to be honest. :lol:

I havnt seen one able to keep up with my RA yet, i have seen a few RS versions crash on track though. :o

I wont knock the car because i havnt driven it hard yet, but it's never apealed to me the way an Impreza does.
johnfelstead 02-20-2004 08:02 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by makofoto [/i]
[B]John ... do you know anything about the Prodrive Active Suspension that is going to be released soon ... any idea or opinion if these bits would work (well) on a AutoX'ing WRX? I can't live with super stiff coil overs ... so their Active Suspension might be the ticket? [/B][/QUOTE]

Dont know how it will perform in that kind of arena, i would have to drive it myself before passing judgment. I doubt it's designed to work in that environment, i would expect its more aimed at the road driving environment than tight courses like AutoX.
dowroa 02-20-2004 08:58 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead[/i]
[B] I have driven one for a few yards, didnt do anything for me to be honest. :lol:

I havnt seen one able to keep up with my RA yet, i have seen a few RS versions crash on track though. :o

I wont knock the car because i havnt driven it hard yet, but it's never apealed to me the way an Impreza does. [/B][/QUOTE]


Well, I still think YOU should drive an EVO.

I mean.. heck.. if Radicals and Modenas cant keep up with you, how do you think someone in an EVO will? :)

Get in one... that would be the ultimate test. And make it one of those FQ spec ones.. I wanna see you tear it up, and then tell us about how superior your RA is :)

- dow
johnfelstead 02-20-2004 09:07 AM

A friend of mine has an FQ330, we are going to the ring together at easter so i might give it a run then.
makofoto 02-20-2004 10:53 AM

Apparently the Prodrive Active Suspension is suppose to allow, via a cockpit controller ... a street, sport and competition setting ... I was hoping the competition setting would be the ticket for AutoX'ing ...
HoRo1 02-20-2004 11:20 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead[/i]
[B] [URL=http://208.184.121.11/i-club/Westie_Vs_YamahaR1_nurburgring.mpeg]Westie V R1[/URL]
[/B][/QUOTE]

My balls shrivel every time I watch the R1 video :eek:
johnfelstead 02-21-2004 04:12 PM

too much information! :lol:
Butt Dyno 02-26-2004 06:02 PM

OK, this thread is long :)

Was there ever a split-screen video posted with all the helmet cam, etc etc stuff?

john
johnfelstead 02-26-2004 06:26 PM

It's a DVD i am making for sale John that will have all the various views etc. :) Next session in the studio is the 6th/7th. :o
quentinberg007 02-26-2004 07:42 PM

That's it john, I'm coming up to Manchester for some drooling. :mad: :lol:

I went to a Herts meet this past weekend. The P1 showed up after I left, but it was very cool. One of the brits was telling me how he imported a 2.5 from the USDM STi. Very cool lot of people though. :) I can't wait until it gets warmer.

~~Quentin
johnfelstead 02-26-2004 07:47 PM

What do you mean, warmer? It's summertime in the UK right now. ;)

Well if you can get to Manchester on Sunday, i have organised a rolling road day for the most powerful Impreza's in the UK. We could see over 600BHP being achieved. Some of the most interesting Imprezas built to date will be there including a 2.5 USDM based engine.

Cars include [URL=http://www.geocities.com/harveysmith3000/]this[/URL] and [URL=http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000026]this[/URL]
quentinberg007 02-26-2004 09:06 PM

Hmm.... I'll have to check on train tickets tomorrow on my way to London :) What time do festivities start?

~~Quentin

edit: That is why I'm going to southern Italy for Easter break :)

edit 2: Just checked out the map. Looks like a 4 hr. train ride. I'll have to come up when I can get up there for a weekend. I'll have to keep an eye out for meets in Manchester and try to plan around it. Hopefully find a cheap hostel.
EJ20K 02-27-2004 12:29 AM

Re: Video lap of the Nurburgring, STi5 TypeRA Style
 
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Hi Guys,

As promised, here is a full lap of the Nurburgring in my STi5 TypeRA V-Ltd from a few weeks ago. I have one of the quicker bike riders onboard with me, bit of a nutter, he rides an R7 round the ring.

The lap is an 8:37 BTG time, not my quickest of the weekend, but its more entertaining. ;)

Many thanks to Casey for hosting the footage.

Enjoy

John

Right Click- Save Target As- beware, it's HUGE at 80Mb

[URL=http://208.184.121.11/i-club/STi5TypeRARing2Sept2002.mpg]Video of a full lap of the Nurburgring[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]

John have u had the chance to test one of the new SPEC C's ????? (BTW they are no longer FIA homologated vehicles, only the STi non SPEC C versions).
Just had the chance to watch the movie of one of this cars lapping stock around the ring and stoping the clock @ 8:06 :eek:

[URL=http://www.litimports.co.uk/subaru/specc.wmv]Spec C @ the Ring[/URL]

Will be "interesting" :cool: to see how some of the scoobs perform @ Prosport .....

Carlos H.
quentinberg007 02-27-2004 07:53 PM

John, have you heard of a guy named Rob Gill? He is the assistant editor for The Sun and drove a Group N Impreza at the Rally of GB (finished 37th overall, 11th Group N, IIRC). I met him in the Kings Cross train station today! Really nice guy. He invited me to come up and check out the Birmingham rally and was telling me that there would be a decent amount of rallies before I go back to the US. He's a very nice guy. We swapped e-mail addresses and phone numbers. The people you meet by complimenting their SWRT jacket! :eek:

~~Quentin
rsquire_downunder 02-27-2004 09:53 PM

Hi John,

Can you please give me a link to the video of you at the 'Ring with Theo's cover of "Nothing Else Matters".

As you know I'm a dumb cluck :D :D and lost it :(

Cheers mate

Richard
johnfelstead 02-28-2004 04:07 AM

Here you are Richard

[url=http://www.m161fhr.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/doormirror.wmv]DoorMirrorCam[/url]

Ah, the Sun, quality newspaper. *cough* You met a guy at Kings Cross and swapped numbers, :lol::D
rsquire_downunder 02-28-2004 10:30 AM

Cheers John..

Now enjoying it Down Under :D
HoRo1 02-28-2004 10:33 AM

Nice video
SubaruImpreza_power 03-01-2004 10:52 AM

Nice to see this thread is still going :)
scoobdo 03-03-2004 06:43 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
Ah, the Sun, quality newspaper. *cough* You met a guy at Kings Cross and swapped numbers, :lol::D [/B][/QUOTE]

Backs against the wall chaps :lol:
johnnyperl 03-03-2004 08:23 PM

historical perspective
 
is this thread still about the Nurburgring?
take a look at the third clip from the bottom...
[URL=http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jujuzerooo/]Historic motorsport clips, french descriptions[/URL]
or direct link to the clip (20Mb)...
[URL=http://obsyjuju2.free.fr/F1/Tour Nurburgring Formule 2 1967.asf]Nurburgring Formula 2 1967 with English commentary[/URL]

JP

while im posting anyway, is it better to launch an AWD car with higher revs or to go from lower revs? I saw a review of the Murcielago where they mentioned that revs should be built up after the clutch is engaged, wasn't sure if the same applied to lower HP cars aswell. note that i only have a NA 2.2L
johnfelstead 03-03-2004 08:29 PM

Its about the ring yes, plus a general discusion on track driving. :D

With regards to launch, you will always get a faster launch if you can break traction just a little, but thats pretty hard on the car, so the best way to do it with a high traction car is to get the car rolling before giving it full throttle. That's never going to win you any drag races, but it will stop you from frying your clutch or breaking your gearbox.

Quite often you can get faster launches in an AWD car in the wet, because you can get the wheels spinning a little and this gets the car into the power band, boost area quicker.
johnfelstead 03-03-2004 08:43 PM

Fantastic little video Johnny! Thanks. :)

Brunchen is masively diferent now, the big jump there has been flattened out. The start section is now where the GP circuit runs in a small part, T13 is where they enter the pits. A lot of it is exactly the same, just sanitised with bariers and kerbs but the lines are identical. Great stuff! :)
johnnyperl 03-03-2004 08:47 PM

thanks!
i wont break traction in the dry anytime soon (maybe laterally,crappy tires)...however, here in the NW (portland,OR) its wet. Often. Ive noticed that if i try to power after engaging the clutch the car gets jerky, but im probably just using too few revs. helpful nonetheless (is that one word?).
mapquest says is NBR is only 5hrs from Zurich, anyone know which rentals do allow going on the ring?
JP
sdecker 03-04-2004 01:04 PM

Mr. Felstead: you, sir, are the bomb. Please, *please* produce a DVD for us. I actually had time to sit down and read all 24 pages before I posted. :eek:

I also have a question for you. I am fortunate to live next door to Road Atlanta and have hundreds of laps there in my WRX at track days/HPDE's. You commented way earlier in the thread that you had done some driving at Road Atlanta and that it reminded you somewhat of Oulton Park.

How would you expect your STI to do at Road Atlanta? What did you drive while there, and what are the similarities to Oulton?

Thanks in advance!

Scott
Puckaveli 03-04-2004 01:15 PM

Thought this might be an interesting comparo for you. It's a stock NSX in the sub 8 minute range with foot and speedo cameras.

[url]http://auto.joins.com/upboard/pds/pdst/BestMotoring_NSX-R_NurburgRing.asf[/url]
T-WREXX 03-04-2004 05:48 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]The ring in the wet isnt a place to take liberties, the track is incredibly low grip and doesnt drain well so there is a big risk of aquaplaning. I ran 3 laps with my track tyres on, which were very worn then swapped my wheels over to my normal road tyres because it was much safer. I wasnt going very quick in the wet but still quick enough for it to be fun.

Putting a DVD or video together is a lot of work, i have some good footage now that would make a good video if i got round to sorting something. I may look into that?

OK, helmetcam lap footage is now uploaded, i am uploading the same lap but viewed through the rear window, which i'll post later. Once again thanks to Casey for hosting the footage!

A few points of note, at 2:23 speed is 155MPH, Things get a bit :eek: at 4:27 :lol:

Enjoy :D

[URL=http://208.184.121.11/i-club/STi5TypeRARingHelmetcamSept2002.mpg]HelmetCam[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]

John, you are the man!!! The helmet cam is freakin awesome! I have so much fun watching your videos, I want to set up my WRX like that!
:banana:

Jesse
johnfelstead 03-04-2004 06:58 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnnyperl [/i]
[B]mapquest says is NBR is only 5hrs from Zurich, anyone know which rentals do allow going on the ring?
JP [/B][/QUOTE]

Most people rent a car from cologne airport, it's less than an hour north of nurburg. Just dont crash as the deposit on something tasty will fleece you. I have often thought about hiring a GT3 or similar, but if i stuffed it then i would be in a bad way financially. :o

I once shared an Audi TT for the weekend with a friend with the deal that the person who damaged it would pay the excess. The guy i shared it with made a bit of a mess of it at schwedencraux and he paid about $2000 excess as a result, i just shook my head at him. :D :lol: Horible car. :o
johnfelstead 03-04-2004 08:22 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]Mr. Felstead: you, sir, are the bomb. Please, *please* produce a DVD for us.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks. :D I am working on it, honest!! I was due there again this weekend but they need the studio to finish a TV program, so its next weekend now. I am as impatient as you to get this finished. :)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]How would you expect your STI to do at Road Atlanta? What did you drive while there, and what are the similarities to Oulton?
[/B][/QUOTE]

The STi would handle the track just like everywhere else, once you get a nicely balanced chassis it works pretty much everywhere. Its 11 years since i was in Atlanta so the track will have changed a lot since i saw it, but the basic layout will be the same, a nice flowing parkland circuit with elevation changes. I was just driving around in a horible FWD econobox type car back then as i was taking 6 months out from work whilst in Atlanta.
sdecker 03-04-2004 10:04 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Thanks. :D I am working on it, honest!! I was due there again this weekend but they need the studio to finish a TV program, so its next weekend now. I am as impatient as you to get this finished. :)



The STi would handle the track just like everywhere else, once you get a nicely balanced chassis it works pretty much everywhere. Its 11 years since i was in Atlanta so the track will have changed a lot since i saw it, but the basic layout will be the same, a nice flowing parkland circuit with elevation changes. I was just driving around in a horible FWD econobox type car back then as i was taking 6 months out from work whilst in Atlanta. [/B][/QUOTE]

Keep us posted on the DVD -- we're all looking forward to it.

Road Atlanta has certainly changed in the last 11 years, primarily due to Don Panoz' influence. The 'Gravity Cavity' is gone now, replaced by a chicane...so it's much harder to get airborne going down the hill towards the start line. :D

There are also numerous concrete and/or asphalt patches that pop up every year, especially since they run the Petit Le Mans and other ALMS rounds here. My buddies who work at the track say that the LMP900 cars actually delaminate the asphalt in certain areas due to the amount of power they can put down. :eek:

Probably the biggest change is in the facilities, though. It is really a class act now -- completely different than when the 'cocaine brothers' owned it and pretty much ran it into the ground.

If you are ever in the area again, let me know...and oh yeah, that little track across the street is called Lanier Raceway. It's kind of like NAPCAR, only smaller and slightly less annoying.

Scott
Arnie 03-05-2004 02:31 PM

John

I was wondering if you could do me a favor? Next time you have your car up, could you take a a few pics of your steering rack? I'm curious as to where the spacers are added and approx. how many, to reduce your bumpsteer.

There are not too many competent align shops here who have any knowledge/experience in eliminating bump steer on a Subaru.

Arnie

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