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Wait, this isn't a lowrider convention? RALLY MONTE CARLO starts 1/18! part 2

runnah 01-18-2007 03:41 PM

Overall times after SS2:

1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen Total WRT C4 WRC 23mins 29.9secs M
2. Daniel Sordo Citroen Total WRT C4 WRC +00mins 23.9secs M
3. Marcus Gronholm BP Ford Focus RS WRC 06 +00mins 29.1secs M
4. Mikko Hirvonen BP Ford Focus RS WRC 06 +00mins 51.7secs M
5. Petter Solberg Subaru WRT Impreza WRC 2006 +00mins 57.6secs M
6. Chris Atkinson Subaru WRT Impreza WRC 2006 +01mins 01.2secs M
7. Manfred Stohl OMV Kronos Citroen Xsara WRC +01mins 01.7secs
8. Toni Gardemeister MMSP Ltd Mitsubishi Lancer WRC05 +01mins 06.1secs
9. Jan Kopecky Czech RT-Skoda Fabia WRC +01mins 13.2secs
10. Jean-Marie Cuoq Peugeot 307 WRC +01mins 29.1secs

Loeb is not human.
LastResort 01-18-2007 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16718558]Loeb is not human.[/QUOTE]Concur. He didn't have to heal, they were just updating his firmware and upgrading servos.
runnah 01-18-2007 04:11 PM

[QUOTE=LastResort;16718684]Concur. He didn't have to heal, they were just updating his firmware and upgrading servos.[/QUOTE]

Yeah if you took a look inside the Citroen trailer it'd just full of "Seb" parts.
Weasel 555 01-18-2007 04:20 PM

from rally-live

Not content with pulling out an impressive eight second advantage over the 28.52 km first special stage over team-mate Daniel Sordo, the Frenchman extended the advantaged on the second � 17.88km stage � to a whopping 24s! After four months out of the cockpit and claims that he is not 100 percent fit, it was a most impressive Citroen C4 debut for Loeb and co-driver Daniel Elena.

Sordo, in the second C4, had a solid season in 2006 despite a big off in Finland and soon after in Cyprus. This year, he and co-driver Marc Martini are aiming high and on leg one, can be quite content to end Thursday in second position, albeit 24 seconds behind the dominant Loeb.

At 29.10 seconds down, Thursday evening will not be a happy one for the Ford Rally team and Marcus Gronholm. With no less than seven wins under his belt last year, the Finn is aiming for his third championship title.

However, it is pretty clear that Citroen and their new C4 have hit the ground running and the new 2007 Focus, not scheduled until the Finnish rally, have their work cut out if early indications are anything to go by.

Mikko Hirvonen ends the first day of the new championship in a solid fourth position overall in his Ford Focus, while the Subaru � one of many running the 2006 car � will be relatively content with Petter Solberg's fifth place overall as the squad get to grips with BFGoodrich tyres for the first time. Chris Atkinson rounds out the top six in the second Impreza.
WRXedUSA 01-18-2007 04:35 PM

[size=7][B]MARC MARTI[/B][/size]

down a minute on 2 stages.

Talk about getting your ass beat by a man with one arm tied behind his back.
slidecontrol 01-18-2007 05:06 PM

Bump for question..
Anyone know if
[url]http://enormouslysideways.net/wrc2006.html[/url] or [url]www.rally703.com[/url] will be hosting euro sport coverage again this year? God I hope so.
snobound 01-18-2007 08:04 PM

So is it possible that due to a rally being in the X-games, there will be a push for rally in the US? I pray to the gods of motorsport that it does!
Counterfit 01-18-2007 09:34 PM

[QUOTE=WagonMonster;16698552]Oh, I agree, I'm sure the directive from Nascar, erm, [I]Speed[/I] was to dumb it down.

I actually don't mind Ralph.[/QUOTE]

You must not have watched the F1 coverage on CBS the past two seasons then.
decodeddiesel 01-18-2007 09:46 PM

[QUOTE=snobound;16722444]So is it possible that due to a rally being in the X-games, there will be a push for rally in the US? I pray to the gods of motorsport that it does![/QUOTE]

Well I certianly hope this is the case, however given Joe Sixpack (the average American male) and his affinity for all things NASCAR I doubt it.
WRXedUSA 01-19-2007 12:07 AM

[QUOTE=snobound;16722444]So is it possible that due to a rally being in the X-games, there will be a push for rally in the US? I pray to the gods of motorsport that it does![/QUOTE]

To answer that question, find your local phonebook and measure the pages in inches that contain attorneys, assayers or other lawmen.
scoobyRx 01-19-2007 03:30 AM

[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;16725304]To answer that question, find your local phonebook and measure the pages in inches that contain attorneys, assayers or other lawmen.[/QUOTE]

I think he was referring to rally being on tv, not having one here.

Here's to the hope that the new C4 has all the reliability of a 70's British car.
scoobyRx 01-19-2007 03:55 AM

Looks like Petter had a brilliant ss3 :(

My stomach already hurts for the season. Hopefully new car at Mexico will be the shizznit.
RALLYT-WRX 01-19-2007 07:48 AM

The full Monte....
Petter Forth Fastest on SS5

[QUOTE]Sordo and Loeb continue to battle Monte Carlo : SS 5 - 12.81 km
[19/01/07 - 11:55]
The St Martial stage saw the Citroen C4 extend its lead over the
rest of the field as this time Dani Sordo won the stage from
Sebastien Loeb. Sordo and co-driver Marc Marti won the stage with
a best time of eight minutes with Loeb and co-driver Daniel Elena
just over a second adrift.
With the two C4's so closely matched, Loeb's overall rally lead
remains largely unchanged at just under seven seconds. Marcus
Gronholm was his now customary third fastest in his Focus RS
WRC 06 with Petter Solberg fourth fastest in the Subaru Impreza.
Chris Atkinson was just 11th fastest on this stage but remains
fourth overall in the standings in his Subaru while Manfred Stohl
and Toni Gardemeister retain station in fifth and sixth positions
respectively. With Petter Solberg putting in a good stage time, he
moves ahead of the Skoda Fabia driven by Jan Kopecky and into eighth position overall behind Mikko Hirvonen.
The drivers now head to service area C in Valence before regrouping at St Pierreville, the scene of the first stage today,
for another demanding challenge starting at 15.17 CET.[/QUOTE]
Weasel 555 01-19-2007 07:53 AM

Overall as of SS5:

1.Loeb - Citroen C4 - 1h11'10"7
2.Sordo - Citroen C4 - 1h11'17"3
3.Gronholm - Ford - 1h11'46"9
4.Atkinson - Subaru - 1h12'44"8
5.Stohl - Citroen Xsara - 1h12'44"8
6.Gardemeister - Mitsubishi - 1h12'49"6
7.Hirvonen - Ford - 1h13'02"0
8.P.Solberg - Subaru - 1h13'13"8
9.Kopecky - Skoda - 1h13'17"6
10Cuoq - Pug307 - 1h13'50"2
Yotsuya 01-19-2007 10:26 AM

Go Manfred!
littlefluffybunnies 01-19-2007 10:28 AM

.. and no surprise on solbergs performance.. sigh
runnah 01-19-2007 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=littlefluffybunnies;16728515].. and no surprise on solbergs performance.. sigh[/QUOTE]

We all knew he wouldn't do well at Monte.

As long as he finishes in the top 10 and the car makes it in once piece I am happy.

Now if he is doing poorly in Norway or Sweden, then I'll start to worry.
littlefluffybunnies 01-19-2007 10:53 AM

i don't know anymore.. i can't be the only one the feels he's lost the plot a bit?
i mean, he's brilliant, make no mistake, but wtf is happening!
his overall performance from last year was really dissappointing.

on a side note, is anyone using the wrc desktop alert thingymabob
i had to find a windows box to run it.. couldn't be bothered to port it to bsd
LastResort 01-19-2007 11:24 AM

"not doing well" at any particular venue is just not acceptable when you are competing against groups that have no problem with consistency. Subaru needs to find a path that gets them to the podium every time.
runnah 01-19-2007 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=LastResort;16729166]"not doing well" at any particular venue is just not acceptable when you are competing against groups that have no problem with consistency. Subaru needs to find a path that gets them to the podium every time.[/QUOTE]

Well niether Solberg or Atkinson are tarmac specialists. Loeb is almost untouchable on tarmac, but he is falible on loose surface rallies.

Like I said, a solid finish with both cars running would be a very good achivement for SWRT.

Also realize that SWRT's switch to BFgoodrich is a factor in them making the proper tire choice. Petter has already said he made the wrong choice. Teams that have been running Goodrichs already have the advantage.
LastResort 01-19-2007 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=runnah;16729296]Also realize that SWRT's switch to BFgoodrich is a factor in them making the proper tire choice. Petter has already said he made the wrong choice. Teams that have been running Goodrichs already have the advantage.[/QUOTE]This is much more acceptable reasoning to me, as new equipment is always going to take significant time to properly integrate.
runnah 01-19-2007 11:57 AM

[QUOTE=LastResort;16729569]This is much more acceptable reasoning to me, as new equipment is always going to take significant time to properly integrate.[/QUOTE]

Yup, just look at Turkey last year. Mcrae who is an amazing driver, but did poorly due to not being familier with tire selection.
WRXedUSA 01-19-2007 12:53 PM

If I was Howarth, I'd be saying "Gimme what Sordo's got on the next leg".
runnah 01-19-2007 01:43 PM

Results after SS8


1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen Total WRT C4 WRC 1hr 57mins 41.1secs M
2. Daniel Sordo Citroen Total WRT C4 WRC +00mins 25.2secs M
3. Marcus Gronholm BP Ford Focus RS WRC 06 +01mins 15.7secs M
4. Chris Atkinson Subaru WRT Impreza WRC 2006 +02mins 30.3secs M
5. Mikko Hirvonen BP Ford Focus RS WRC 06 +02mins 47.5secs M
6. Toni Gardemeister MMSP Ltd Mitsubishi Lancer WRC05 +02mins 54.2secs
7. Petter Solberg Subaru WRT Impreza WRC 2006 +03mins 05.6secs M
8. Jan Kopecky Czech RT-Skoda Fabia WRC +03mins 45.5secs
9. Jari-Matti Latvala Stobart Ford Focus WRC 06 +04mins 12.1secs M
10. Jean-Marie Cuoq Peugeot 307 WRC +04mins 31.0secs

Nice to see Petter is getting beat by an 05 spec car...:(
fliz 01-19-2007 04:11 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16731365]
Nice to see Petter is getting beat by an 05 spec car...:([/QUOTE]

Don't the '05 spec cars have water injection and a bit more power than the '06 spec?

I thought I remember hearing that teams were down as much as 30% on power at Mexico last year.
Swanny07 01-19-2007 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=fliz;16733753]
I thought I remember hearing that teams were down as much as 30% on power at Mexico last year.[/QUOTE]

That is due to the altitude above sea level. power drops by 30% or so.



I'm not TOTALLY suprised petter is performing like this, i did have high hopes that the BFgoodrich set up was going to cure all. Hopefully the new car in Mexico will be where he unleashes his fury and gets a win. Subaru needs it.
RB5 Clone 01-19-2007 07:56 PM

none of you have ANY IDEA of what the WRC crews are up against.

at the tip of the spear, the diffrences between Loeb, Solberg, Stohl et al are miniscule. ALL of them would scare the crap out of you, me, and all but about 5 or 7 other ppl on Earth.
Swanny07 01-19-2007 08:25 PM

[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;16736522]none of you have ANY IDEA of what the WRC crews are up against.

at the tip of the spear, the diffrences between Loeb, Solberg, Stohl et al are miniscule. ALL of them would scare the crap out of you, me, and all but about 5 or 7 other ppl on Earth.[/QUOTE]

:confused:

I'm pretty sure i understand that the Full spec WRC drivers are the best of the best.

What made you say this?
Subaru_555 01-19-2007 09:45 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16728725]We all knew he wouldn't do well at Monte.

As long as he finishes in the top 10 and the car makes it in once piece I am happy.

Now if he is doing poorly in Norway or Sweden, then I'll start to worry.[/QUOTE]

agreed! He shouldn't always use Monte as a rally he will always do poorly in though.
Jay911 01-19-2007 10:10 PM

[quote=slidecontrol;16629934]Anyone know if rally307.com or enormouslysideways.net will be hosting the events online this new year?

I'm really hoping on that.[/quote]

[url=http://www.enormouslysideways.net/DoubleUAreSea/]It's definitely a possibility.[/url]
burned 01-20-2007 03:45 AM

[quote=RB5 Clone;16736522]none of you have ANY IDEA of what the WRC crews are up against.

at the tip of the spear, the diffrences between Loeb, Solberg, Stohl et al are miniscule. ALL of them would scare the crap out of you, me, and all but about 5 or 7 other ppl on Earth.[/quote]

He thinks that they are so fast thet you would be scared driveing whit them.

Well i disagree about that given the money that is stuffed up this drivers asses i personaly can get you better drivers! Driveing in european championships. Once you have been in a Rally car of at least N4 or A8 you dont get scared any more by a pro driver you yust do your job. But im scared ****tles when an amater wants to be fast and im sitting on the passanger seat!
burned 01-20-2007 04:03 AM

Hell yes subaru got to know what tires to use and Atkinson was fastest on stage 10! Slowberg is moveing into 6. overall
scoobyRx 01-20-2007 05:08 AM

yeah! two stages in row without a C4 winning. Looks like Sordo is pushing Seb pretty hard, too. Can I root for the other Citroen? :D
Competition seems closer today and Chris & Mikko are pretty close o/a.

Too bad there's no snow/ice this year as now it's just another tarmac rally and even less chance that Seb will stuff it.
Swanny07 01-20-2007 09:20 AM

Well what a suprise! Chris takes two stage wins on Saturday! That's a fantastic start to my day.

-Taylor
Weasel 555 01-20-2007 10:34 AM

Overall as of SS13:

1.Loeb - Citroen C4 - 2h56'48"5
2.Sordo - Citroen C4 - 2h57'11"7
3.Gronholm - Ford - 2h58'09"9
4.Atkinson - Subaru - 2h59'27"1 :D
5.Hirvonen - Ford - 2h59'34"3
6.P.Solberg - Subaru - 2h59'59"4 :)
7.Gardemeister - Mitsu - 3h00'25"3
8.Kopecky - Skoda - 3h01'13"8
9.Latvala - Ford - 3h01'19"2
10.Cuoq - Pug307 - 3h02'20"3
11.Stohl -Citroen Xsara - 3h03'18"2
Jay911 01-20-2007 02:40 PM

Is the Focus' exhaust running ridiculously hot, or have they put some kind of bright orange cover/baffle/something on it? Check the coverage of Day 1 to see what I mean.

EDIT: A closeup was seen during the remote service and there was nothing covering the ([b]huge[/b]) tailpipe. But in-stage, both at nighttime and in the day, the end of the exhaust had the color of a traffic cone.
shige 01-20-2007 02:44 PM

Hmm, so this is where everyone hanging out. I watched the first day last night. Seems like Solberg wasn't the only one who chose the wrong tires. Hirvonen as well as Atkinson had trouble also. I agree Loeb must be a robot. Him and Sordo have the new C4 and are doing well right out of the box. I hope SWRT is more competitive this year.
bjorn240 01-20-2007 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=Jay911;16742551]Is the Focus' exhaust running ridiculously hot, or have they put some kind of bright orange cover/baffle/something on it? Check the coverage of Day 1 to see what I mean.

EDIT: A closeup was seen during the remote service and there was nothing covering the ([b]huge[/b]) tailpipe. But in-stage, both at nighttime and in the day, the end of the exhaust had the color of a traffic cone.[/QUOTE]

The catalytic converter is at the end of the tailpiipe, and it turns orange as it heats up.
WRXedUSA 01-20-2007 09:33 PM

[QUOTE=Swanny07;16740704]Well what a suprise! Chris takes two stage wins on Saturday! That's a fantastic start to my day.

-Taylor[/QUOTE]

Sebastien lets other teams win stages when he has the rally in hand.

Subaru is the master of Leg3 stage wins.
Subaru_555 01-20-2007 11:45 PM

Man that was an awesome leg. Atkinson is really having a stellar outing. I can't wait for the superspecial. Does anyone know what the loud whistling is in the cockpit? I've never figured it out:lol:. I know the gearbox is whining, but what else is there?
XenoWolf 01-21-2007 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Subaru_555;16746796]Man that was an awesome leg. Atkinson is really having a stellar outing. I can't wait for the superspecial. Does anyone know what the loud whistling is in the cockpit? I've never figured it out:lol:. I know the gearbox is whining, but what else is there?[/QUOTE]

It's typically the gearbox you hear on the in-car feeds. Depending on where it's mounted you may be hearing the turbo spool...
Swanny07 01-21-2007 04:19 AM

Man i hope other people were watching the live super special there on WRC+ Atkinson just beat mikko by .2 seconds. YES!!!!
Weasel 555 01-21-2007 09:11 AM

from rally-live.com

[IMG]http://www.rally-live.com/wrc/photos/imgactu/zoom07/loeb-podium-mont-z-04_170107.jpg[/IMG]

Overall Results:

1.Loeb - Citroen C4 - 3h10'27"4
2.Sordo - Citroen C4 - 3h11'05"6
3.Gronholm - Ford - 3h11'50"2
4.Atkinson - Subaru - 3h12'55"5 :D
5.Hirvonen - Ford - 3h12'55"7
6.P.Solberg - Subaru - 3h13'39"4 :D
7.Gardemeister - Mitsu - 3h14'05"5
8.Kopecky - Skoda - 3h15'06"8
9.Cuoq - Pug307 - 3h16'27"1
10.Stohl - Citroen Xsara - 3h17'04"7

from:
[url]http://www.crash.net/news_View~cid~4...2262~pid~1.htm[/url]

The teams pack up and get ready for the expected snow of the Swedish Rally which takes place 9-11 February.
Jay911 01-21-2007 09:21 AM

Not bad for Petter, at least things didn't blow up/break off/fall apart.

Outstanding for Chris - so close to a podium! Too bad robo-Loeb is here to annihilate everyone again. Plus, he seems to be rubbing off on Dani Sordo.
OBShahn 01-21-2007 01:20 PM

[QUOTE=Jay911;16748877]Not bad for Petter, at least things didn't blow up/break off/fall apart.

Outstanding for Chris - so close to a podium! Too bad robo-Loeb is here to annihilate everyone again. Plus, he seems to be rubbing off on Dani Sordo.[/QUOTE]



Wonder when Sordo will stop using Loeb's set up and tire choice blindly on every event...
WRXedUSA 01-21-2007 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=OBShahn;16750502]Wonder when Sordo will stop using Loeb's set up and tire choice blindly on every event...[/QUOTE]

Considering his daddy bought his seat in the car, I doesnt bother me that he is using someone elses setup.


Congrats Loeb, good job Subaru for not breaking/wrecking. You only lost to a brand new untested car by 4 positions.
XenoWolf 01-21-2007 02:34 PM

[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;16751044]good job Subaru for not breaking/wrecking. You only lost to a brand new untested car by 4 positions.[/QUOTE]

2 positions, and I can guarantee that the new Citroen has been well-tested prior to Monte.
burned 01-21-2007 02:38 PM

[quote=WRXedUSA;16751044]Considering his daddy bought his seat in the car, I doesnt bother me that he is using someone elses setup.


Congrats Loeb, good job Subaru for not breaking/wrecking. You only lost to a brand new untested car by 4 positions.[/quote]



You dont have any idea it was tested and tested and tested even in competition!
Mopho 01-21-2007 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=XenoWolf;16747280]It's typically the gearbox you hear on the in-car feeds. Depending on where it's mounted you may be hearing the turbo spool...[/QUOTE]

No, it is electrical noise from the ignition, the intercom picks up the static
Mopho 01-21-2007 03:27 PM

Night stages rock!! :banana:


Like the new commentator a lot
Jtree 01-21-2007 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=Mopho;16751492]No, it is electrical noise from the ignition, the intercom picks up the static[/QUOTE]

yup, i was just going to type the same thing. and on long transits ya can annoy yer driver by finding the sweet spot that makes the noise go away, then keep moving yer head in and out of that spot and play them a song, kinda like a wearable theremin. :banana:
WRXedUSA 01-21-2007 08:04 PM

[QUOTE=burned;16751119]You dont have any idea it was tested and tested and tested even in competition![/QUOTE]

I don't remember the C4 in a A8 class in a WRC even prior to today.

You can test all you want, but it doesnt mean a thing until you go up against the current competition IN a event.

They same mantra has been spoken by Ford and Subaru during winter tire testing. The Mexico '07 Impreza has been "tested" per se, but nobody knows how it will do against the current competitor cars.
Subaru_555 01-21-2007 11:10 PM

[QUOTE=Mopho;16751492]No, it is electrical noise from the ignition, the intercom picks up the static[/QUOTE]

sounds more logical. thanks
wrxkidid775 01-21-2007 11:15 PM

my internet went gay on me when i tried to watch the superspecial :(
WRXedUSA 01-21-2007 11:29 PM

The new announcer sounds like the guy from Top Gear.
littlefluffybunnies 01-22-2007 02:33 AM

damnit.. i knew the results would be here.. but i still had to look.
i have no self control... argh.

(it's been televised here in SA this evening)
SlideWRX 01-22-2007 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Weasel 555;16748845]
Overall Results:

1.Loeb - Citroen C4 - 3h10'27"4
2.Sordo - Citroen C4 - 3h11'05"6
3.Gronholm - Ford - 3h11'50"2
4.Atkinson - Subaru - 3h12'55"5 :D
5.Hirvonen - Ford - 3h12'55"7
6.P.Solberg - Subaru - 3h13'39"4 :D
7.Gardemeister - Mitsu - 3h14'05"5
8.Kopecky - Skoda - 3h15'06"8
9.Cuoq - Pug307 - 3h16'27"1
10.Stohl - Citroen Xsara - 3h17'04"7
[/QUOTE]

All considering, these are great results. Considering Loeb has been first or second for the last year of competition (besides the bike crash/servo upgrade), ya knew he was going to be first or second. Personally I was rooting for Gronholm (a little), Solberg (a lot) and Gardemeister (a little), so these are pretty good results for the first race of the year.

Tom
runnah 01-22-2007 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=SlideWRX;16760716]All considering, these are great results. Considering Loeb has been first or second for the last year of competition (besides the bike crash/servo upgrade), ya knew he was going to be first or second. Personally I was rooting for Gronholm (a little), Solberg (a lot) and Gardemeister (a little), so these are pretty good results for the first race of the year.

Tom[/QUOTE]

I'm stoked as well, Atkinson blew everyone away with his performance. Solberg did well for no being good at tarmac rallies and with the new tires.

Overall great rally for SWRT, no podiums, but a solid finish from both team members. And the cars didn't fall apart!

I'm also stoked on Stohl for doing well with the new car, too bad Henning has some problems.

Can't wait for Norway and Sweden!
burned 01-22-2007 11:38 AM

[quote=WRXedUSA;16754289]I don't remember the C4 in a A8 class in a WRC even prior to today.

You can test all you want, but it doesnt mean a thing until you go up against the current competition IN a event.

They same mantra has been spoken by Ford and Subaru during winter tire testing. The Mexico '07 Impreza has been "tested" per se, but nobody knows how it will do against the current competitor cars.[/quote]

I dont want to argue bu i think it was on some national rally as a 0 if you know what i mean.
slidecontrol 01-22-2007 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=Jay911;16748877]Plus, he (Loeb) seems to be rubbing off on Dani Sordo.[/QUOTE]

We'll see how long that last's when it comes to the snow events. I am betting a much lower finish. Say 6th ish?

[QUOTE=Mopho;]No, it is electrical noise from the ignition, the intercom picks up the static[/QUOTE]

Has anyone noticed, every time they have in-car footage from the EVO's, there is a "whoosh snap" sounds every so often. I only hear it within those cars. Any ideas?

-Dan

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