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Wait, this isn't a lowrider convention? RALLY MONTE CARLO starts 1/18! part 1

WagonMonster 01-11-2007 10:51 AM

Wait, this isn't a lowrider convention? RALLY MONTE CARLO starts 1/18!
[IMG]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/771000-771999/771091_8_full.jpg[/IMG]

As of right now, Petter, Gronholm and Loeb-The-Robot are tied for first place!

And Pirelli is gone! :banana:


From WRC.com
[quote]
[IMG]http://www.wrc.com/javaImages/9/34/0,,10111%7E2831369,00.jpg[/IMG]
It seems when a year ends in seven, something special happens at Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo!
Italian rally magazine Tutto Rally has spotted the trend and in its January 2007 edition has dug back into history for examples. In 1997 the World Rally Car rules made their debut and it was the last year a female competitor, Fabrizia Pons (co-driving for fellow Italian Piero Liatti) won a FIA World Rally Championship event. In 1987 Monte Carlo was the first rally which counted under Group A rules, when these were adopted by the championship after the sudden end of Group B. It was also the year Lancia's new boy, Juha Kankkunen, was ordered to stop to let Italian Miki Biasion win. 1977 was the third win on the trot for Italian star driver Sandro Munari and marked a notable podium place for Spaniard Antonio Zanini - at the wheel of a Spanish car, the SEAT 124. In 1967, before the world championship series began, the iconic Mini Cooper cars saw their final year of success.
The effects of conflict took their toll in 1957 when there was no rally because of the Suez crisis, and in 1947 as Europe struggled to recover from the Second World War. 1937 saw a particularly heavy winter. A Delahaye special won after the leading Ford was penalised severely because the use of twin rear wheels was deemed to be illegal. In 1927 a supercharged 1100cc Amilcar was the winner, and in eighth place was a car which carried eight passengers and three beds.
It remains to be seen what dramas await competitors next week!
[/quote]
RBelcher00 01-11-2007 10:54 AM

:eek:
Can't wait!
I hope Petter pulls out some wins after last season's disaster. :rolleyes:
meld 01-11-2007 11:26 AM

wow, i soooo can not wait for this
GrantC 01-11-2007 11:31 AM

Gooo Petter! :D
Rapid_Roo 01-11-2007 12:03 PM

*snicker*

[B][I]
Loebinator[/I][/B]...



can't wait for the season to start. now just to find a source to watch it from. :(
WagonMonster 01-11-2007 03:40 PM

Thanks for the sticky Jamie! :banana:
slidecontrol 01-11-2007 04:32 PM

Anyone know if rally307.com or enormouslysideways.net will be hosting the events online this new year?

I'm really hoping on that.
Slick33 01-11-2007 05:04 PM

I hope Petter/Subaru have a better season this year...I'm going to have a hard time rooting for them over Ford, though. And I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that the Citroen C4 has all sorts of problems!
Weasel 555 01-12-2007 08:29 AM

Go SWRT :D
runnah 01-12-2007 08:48 AM

Quick get Seb on a Mt Bike!
XenoWolf 01-13-2007 03:06 PM

loebwinsit
shige 01-13-2007 07:18 PM

Loeb?!?

Ok, I was rooting for Markus since Petter was having so much trouble. I'm hoping to see SWRT have a better season. Henning going over to Ford will be interesting too. They never show too much of him but he was always seemed to be in the top 10.
meebs 01-14-2007 09:30 AM

Season prediction
Loeb will never be the same after his injury, confidence shaken; this year will be much closer.

/wishfull thinking :D
WorstNameEver 01-14-2007 09:39 AM

I've been out of the game for a while, what happened to Loeb?
Hondo88 01-14-2007 10:05 AM

[QUOTE=runnah;16637586]Quick get Seb on a Mt Bike![/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:

Ford should buy Seb a brand new fancy mountain bike and send it to him with a big giant bow on it. :lol:
schaklos 01-14-2007 12:29 PM

Gronholm planning cautious start
From Autosport.com:

[quote]Gronholm planning cautious start

By Glenn Freeman Friday, January 12th 2007, 14:47 GMT

Marcus Gronholm has said that he is not going all out for victory in next weekend's Rally Monte Carlo because of the conditions on the event.

The January climate traditionally causes difficulties on the opening round of the season, and Gronholm is focused on starting 2007 with a solid points haul.

"I want to win but I'm not going crazy for victory," said the Ford driver. "You can never drive flat out in Monte Carlo because road conditions are so unpredictable."

Gronholm won the event on his debut for Ford last year, but he is prepared to settle for a podium finish this time.

"It's much better to finish second or third than risk everything pushing for a win in changing conditions," he said.

The Finn believes that tyres and weather forecasts will be vital for the rally, which features one of the longest stages in the entire championship.

"Tyres are always so important," he said. "The weather on the stages can change so quickly, and can also be entirely different from that in the service park, so it's important to have the best weather forecasts and information."[/quote]
XenoWolf 01-14-2007 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=WorstNameEver;16659550]I've been out of the game for a while, what happened to Loeb?[/QUOTE]

He broke his arm last season in a mountain biking accident.
piits 01-15-2007 06:38 AM

well, this season should be interesting. we have 3 Ford teams (apart from the regulars - Ford BP and M-Sport team, the Argentinians have a serious programme), Citroen will debut their brand new C4, Kronos will run two Xsaras (Stohl in all round, Carlsson ir at least 6 rounds). Subaru will have the same bodywork, but a different car starting from Mexico, plus they will finaly be on the same tires as others.

Mitsubishi is back, though not as a a manufacturer, but never the less, Gardemeistar will contest in at least 5 rounds. No info on Pons, but he will be in Monaco as seen here:
[IMG]http://pix.nofrag.com/af/a7/9480299312e7be259737bf5336f0.jpg[/IMG]

No more Red Bull team, as Skoda is pulling the plug on WRc efforts. The only remaining Skoda with some factory backing will be Team Kopezky. Duval has cancelled his start in a first-run skoda, and is rumored to have a deal with Suzuki, that will debut their all-new car this year, in Neste Rally Finalnd. Plus, Gigi Galli will have an 8-round programme in a Xsara, run by PH Sport, and former Middle-Eastern Champion Al-Quasimi will drive a Prodrive run-Impreza (presumably in Fly Emirates colors).
runnah 01-15-2007 09:35 AM

I thought Mistu cars weren't even running this year?

Some about Mitsu not wanting to have their name in WRC.
Yotsuya 01-15-2007 10:32 AM

Pons may/may not be in Monte Carlo. I think they're still trying to get FIA permission to change the driver after losing al-Qassimi and his backing cash.

I'm not liking where the WRC's going. Too many good drivers, not enough good cars.
OBShahn 01-15-2007 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=Yotsuya;16669246]Pons may/may not be in Monte Carlo. I think they're still trying to get FIA permission to change the driver after losing al-Qassimi and his backing cash.

I'm not liking where the WRC's going. Too many good drivers, not enough good cars.[/QUOTE]



What do you mean where its going?
We've been there since 2003 atleast...


After the FIA banned the third car from factory teams we've seen a steady decrease in quality cars being run. Last year we started to get more quality cars and this year it looks like we will see atleast a few quality drivers in quality cars...

Right now you will have atleast 10 competitive WRCars with more than likely 14-15 fairly competitive cars at atleast half of the rounds (remains to be seen if the Xsara can keep up in 07 and if the Mitsu's have anything to offer).
piits 01-15-2007 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Yotsuya;16669246]Pons may/may not be in Monte Carlo. I think they're still trying to get FIA permission to change the driver after losing al-Qassimi and his backing cash.

I'm not liking where the WRC's going. Too many good drivers, not enough good cars.[/QUOTE]

well, I looked at the official entry list this morning and Xavier Pons was there, entered by MMSP, next to Tony Gardemeistar :rolleyes:
piits 01-15-2007 01:01 PM

and look at Rally Norway entry list - 30 WRC cars. the glass is half full, not half empty :rolleyes:
decodeddiesel 01-15-2007 10:26 PM

GO Petter GO!!! SWRT FTW!!!
wrrrx 01-15-2007 10:47 PM

I hate to even ask this (fearing that I know the answer..) but will there be any US televising of WRC this year? :confused:
(And yes, I did do a search...)

I haven't seen anything since that Sept 18th article in AutoWeek;
[QUOTE][B]WRC back on-air[/B]
Good news, rally fans: The U.S. will likely get new and improved television coverage of the World Rally Championship in 2007 after Speed Channel�s deal was axed last year, leaving U.S. fans in the dark this season.

Simon Long, managing director of International Sportsworld Communicators�the company that owns the WRC�s commercial rights�said, �The situation is very positive. We�re currently in negotiation with one of the major channels in the United States to provide a comprehensive television coverage package next year, which will be a regular show at a good time of day. We�re very excited about the potential of this, as the recent X-games in California showed the popularity of rallying in the States.�

Speed Channel televised last year�s World Rally Championship, but a lack of viewers�largely due to poor broadcast times�meant that the deal was not renewed for this year.[/QUOTE]
Anybody?
Pleeease tell me I'm out of the loop and it's due to be on shortly!
Pretty please?
Russ R
WagonMonster 01-16-2007 10:36 AM

I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding out much hope for WRC on TV in the USA.
LastResort 01-16-2007 10:47 AM

Hmmmmm...maybe I will break down and get a wrc.com subscription.
WagonMonster 01-16-2007 10:51 AM

I'll just keep downloading DivX rips of the Eurosport Coverage.

My new DVD player plays DivX :banana:
runnah 01-16-2007 11:15 AM

[QUOTE=WagonMonster;16682748]I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding out much hope for WRC on TV in the USA.[/QUOTE]

IMO Eurosport's coverage is 10x better than Speed's.

Althought it would be nice in HD...
Yotsuya 01-16-2007 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=piits;16670976]well, I looked at the official entry list this morning and Xavier Pons was there, entered by MMSP, next to Tony Gardemeistar :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Well, that's good to know. Mitsubishi did have to get permission to put him in so late.

[QUOTE=piits;16671032]and look at Rally Norway entry list - 30 WRC cars. the glass is half full, not half empty :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

More like 1/3 full.
WagonMonster 01-16-2007 12:10 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16683288]IMO Eurosport's coverage is 10x better than Speed's.

Althought it would be nice in HD...[/QUOTE]
Speed's Coverage was just Eurosport with additional (lame) commentary.
TimStevens 01-16-2007 01:07 PM

i never fail to be caught unawares at how quickly WRC turns around. Makes the F1 winter break seem like ages by comparo.

Can't wait!
Slick33 01-16-2007 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=WagonMonster;16684124]Speed's Coverage was just Eurosport with additional (lame) commentary.[/QUOTE]

There was also much less race footage on Speed's coverage due to the "lame" commentary (although I did kind of enjoy some of Nicky Grist's stuff) and Fox thinking that all of us would rather watch cars go in circles and straight lines.
I don't mind downloading the coverage...it was much more comprehensive than what Speed was giving us the last couple seasons they covered WRC. And while it would be nice to not have to wait for torrents to download, it is nice, on the other hand, to be able to back up and save the coverage.
wrrrx 01-16-2007 06:03 PM

Agreed on all the above. I enjoyed the full-on Eurosport coverage much more than Speed's commentary. (Which was only actually "lame" when Shaheen was the commentator).
I wish I wasn't so computer-illiterate, so I could download bit-torrents too. :(

[email�protected], I was hoping you guys would tell me I missed a big announcement and it was on, I dunno, ESPN23 or something... :lol:

Russ R
Weasel 555 01-17-2007 08:43 AM

would be nice to see VS take up wrc on tv like they have been with the Dakar Rally
WagonMonster 01-17-2007 10:56 AM

Ralph Shaheen: "Ya see, these here cars turn left AND right, yeeeHAW!"

But yeah, Nikki was a terrible commentator, but I liked his in-car stuff with Colin. And, you can't help but just like the guy.
TimStevens 01-17-2007 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=WagonMonster;16698075]Ralph Shaheen: "Ya see, these here cars turn left AND right, yeeeHAW!"[/QUOTE]

Honestly I think he was told to act like a yokel to appeal to the NASCAR folks. I agree it was annoying, but I'm sure he's not really at fault.
WagonMonster 01-17-2007 11:31 AM

[QUOTE=TimStevens;16698137]Honestly I think he was told to act like a yokel to appeal to the NASCAR folks. I agree it was annoying, but I'm sure he's not really at fault.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I agree, I'm sure the directive from Nascar, erm, [I]Speed[/I] was to dumb it down.

I actually don't mind Ralph.
runnah 01-17-2007 11:44 AM

[QUOTE=WagonMonster;16684124]Speed's Coverage was just Eurosport with additional (lame) commentary.[/QUOTE]

That commentary cut down on the amount of race footage they showed.
XenoWolf 01-17-2007 11:53 AM

WRC on a major network would be good... screw Speed, they had a chance and blew it (surprise!). Otherwise, I'll be more than happy to download Eurosport coverage.

Also, I no longer have Speed since I moved a few months ago.. so that's another reason I'd rather see it on a [b]real[/b] network.
runnah 01-17-2007 11:56 AM

[QUOTE=XenoWolf;16698861]WRC on a major network would be good... screw Speed, they had a chance and blew it (surprise!). Otherwise, I'll be more than happy to download Eurosport coverage.

Also, I no longer have Speed since I moved a few months ago.. so that's another reason I'd rather see it on a [b]real[/b] network.[/QUOTE]

Well speed is the best bet.

OLN would be a close second.

I heard that since all the sponsors are european based it really cuts down on the intrest of stations to broadcast.
aidrock 01-17-2007 12:22 PM

subscription bump . . . nothing to add, just hope it is on tv somehow!!!
culturedetox 01-17-2007 12:27 PM

Loeb's thoughts on his injury and how it will affect his driving for monte carlo.

[QUOTE=Sebastien Loeb]I have yet to recover all my strength and I still have difficulty making certain movements. I'm still a little stiff. But it's getting better all the time and I only feel pain when I make sudden movements. I was able to get in a lot of kilometres during testing and my injury didn't prevent me from being quick. Anyway, I intend to go into the rally as though nothing was wrong and see how it goes.[/QUOTE]
TimStevens 01-17-2007 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16698905]Well speed is the best bet.

OLN would be a close second.

I heard that since all the sponsors are european based it really cuts down on the intrest of stations to broadcast.[/QUOTE]

Well, there's Ford....


...yeah that's about it.
Dr. WOT 01-17-2007 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=Weasel 555;16696373]would be nice to see VS take up wrc on tv like they have been with the Dakar Rally[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. Not a big deal though, I paid 3 Euro for the subscription to Stanis' site and it brings down 250mb avi files in about 2 minutes. The Eurosport coverage is excellent, and like someone said, this all makes for easier archiving.

[QUOTE=OBShahn;16670598]remains to be seen if the Xsara can keep up in 07[/QUOTE]

I'd be shocked if it didn't

SWRT -- is it my imagination or has it all been downhill since Lapworth left? Surely they must have used up all their bad luck by now, right? Being on the same tires should really help -- past few years it seems the Perellis were never an advantage. The new car for Mexico worries me though. WRC cars generally seem to have lots of teething problems so does this mean they are end up fighting little reliabiliy issues mid-season? God I hope not! Japan 06 showed how important it is to have the Subuarus in the fight, they are a WRC icon, synonomous with the sport IMO.
OBShahn 01-17-2007 02:36 PM

[QUOTE=Dr. WOT;16700691]My thoughts exactly. Not a big deal though, I paid 3 Euro for the subscription to Stanis' site and it brings down 250mb avi files in about 2 minutes. The Eurosport coverage is excellent, and like someone said, this all makes for easier archiving.



I'd be shocked if it didn't

SWRT -- is it my imagination or has it all been downhill since Lapworth left? Surely they must have used up all their bad luck by now, right? Being on the same tires should really help -- past few years it seems the Perellis were never an advantage. The new car for Mexico worries me though. WRC cars generally seem to have lots of teething problems so does this mean they are end up fighting little reliabiliy issues mid-season? God I hope not! Japan 06 showed how important it is to have the Subuarus in the fight, they are a WRC icon, synonomous with the sport IMO.[/QUOTE]

The Xsaras in 2006 were not faster than the Fords (Loeb was very fast of course, but Mikko and Marcus lived on his coat tails all season). With an improved Focus for 2007 as well as 6 2006 focci there will be atleast 8 cars that are as fast or faster as well as the C4s and maybe whatever Subaru (Subaru always cycles between being on top and struggling horrendously) can drum up...
Slick33 01-17-2007 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=TimStevens;16699827]Well, there's Ford....


...yeah that's about it.[/QUOTE]

It'd be really nice if Ford Over Here would recognize Ford Over There...I haven't heard a thing from Ford US regarding their WRC Manufacturer's Title, which is a shame. So it seems like kind of a long shot that Ford US would actually sponsor WRC broadcasts. Kind of ironic, if you think about it.
It also seems like most of Ford's cool cars are available only in Europe and Australia...
KAX 01-17-2007 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=piits;16667840]Mitsubishi is back, though not as a a manufacturer, but never the less, Gardemeistar will contest in at least 5 rounds. No info on Pons, but he will be in Monaco as seen here:
[IMG]http://pix.nofrag.com/af/a7/9480299312e7be259737bf5336f0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
what year are those cars, 2005? It would have been awesome if Mitsu came back with the Evo X style Lancer.

[QUOTE=runnah;16698905]I heard that since all the sponsors are european based it really cuts down on the intrest of stations to broadcast.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Slick33;16702332]It'd be really nice if Ford Over Here would recognize Ford Over There...I haven't heard a thing from Ford US regarding their WRC Manufacturer's Title, which is a shame. So it seems like kind of a long shot that Ford US would actually sponsor WRC broadcasts. Kind of ironic, if you think about it.
It also seems like most of Ford's cool cars are available only in Europe and Australia...[/QUOTE]
I know subaru would sponsor it. Every commercial break there was a subaru commercial on speed.

[QUOTE=Dr. WOT;16700691]SWRT -- is it my imagination or has it all been downhill since Lapworth left? Surely they must have used up all their bad luck by now, right? Being on the same tires should really help -- past few years it seems the Perellis were never an advantage. The new car for Mexico worries me though. WRC cars generally seem to have lots of teething problems so does this mean they are end up fighting little reliabiliy issues mid-season? God I hope not! Japan 06 showed how important it is to have the Subuarus in the fight, they are a WRC icon, synonomous with the sport IMO.[/QUOTE]
Subaru started their decline before lapworth was moved. Lapworth left last year, Subaru hasn't had a decent year since 2004, and that was still full of DNFs.

I enjoy the eurosport coverage much better as well, though i did like the Speed (normal WRC) enterance video better then Eurosports.

And hooray for lucky number 7! I can wear my subaru hat again and not have the wrong guy. Plus he won his championship with 7 so he should do it again.
vaj 01-17-2007 05:35 PM

I can't wait for this season! No more Pirelli's - YES. No more excuses about tires for SWRT. Lets hope that Petter does better!!!

*Counting the days*
USCTrojan4JC 01-17-2007 11:59 PM

[QUOTE=Dr. WOT;16700691]SWRT -- is it my imagination or has it all been downhill since Lapworth left? Surely they must have used up all their bad luck by now, right? Being on the same tires should really help -- past few years it seems the Perellis were never an advantage. The new car for Mexico worries me though. WRC cars generally seem to have lots of teething problems so does this mean they are end up fighting little reliabiliy issues mid-season? God I hope not! Japan 06 showed how important it is to have the Subuarus in the fight, they are a WRC icon, synonomous with the sport IMO.[/QUOTE]

I thought David Lapworth is now involved with Prodrive's Formula 1 program. :confused:
piits 01-18-2007 01:55 AM

regardins sponsors, sae a picture of Pons car this morning, and the only sponsor on the car was..................... BURGER KING :)

those Lancers are 2005-spec, but my guess that they will be fast enough to keep up with the top teams, maybe not in Monaco, but in Norway and Sweden.
charlyN 01-18-2007 05:52 AM

shakedown cancelled due to too much crowd
Weasel 555 01-18-2007 07:56 AM

[QUOTE=charlyN;16711340]shakedown cancelled due to too much crowd[/QUOTE]

bummer !

i'm sure we'll end up seeing stages cancelled due to too many spectators also like previous monte years !
LastResort 01-18-2007 09:11 AM

What's the chance of them loosing the event if they can't get this under control?
runnah 01-18-2007 09:56 AM

[QUOTE=LastResort;16712341]What's the chance of them loosing the event if they can't get this under control?[/QUOTE]

Slim to none, Monte Carlo is an institution in rally.
SlideWRX 01-18-2007 10:00 AM

[QUOTE=GMooreFan1;16709735]I thought David Lapworth is now involved with Prodrive's Formula 1 program. :confused:[/QUOTE]

Actually I thought he was doing the Aston Martin Prodrive Rally cars. But he 'left' the Subaru team, not Prodrive. :)

Here's hoping Petter & Gronholm battle it out all season for the championship win!

Tom
WRXedUSA 01-18-2007 10:09 AM

[QUOTE=charlyN;16711340]shakedown cancelled due to too much crowd[/QUOTE]

That's unreal.

You'd think the ACMC would learn by now.

I just took a look on google at the stage maps. Man, those are some hellacious transits. Most of the stages are run in central france.
Swanny07 01-18-2007 02:14 PM

It's underway! After the first stage we've got:

1.Loeb
2.Sordo
3.Gronholm
4.Solberg P.

They are running stage 2 now.

GO PETTER!!!
10th Warrior 01-18-2007 02:52 PM

Ugh, the 2nd stage isn't even over yet and I'm already depressed.
Slick33 01-18-2007 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=runnah;16712917]Slim to none, Monte Carlo is an institution in rally.[/QUOTE]

it is, but if these crowds keep growing, there won't be much of a rally to run. I remember the FIA being pretty pissed last year and threatening to dump Monte if the organizers couldn't get things in line...doesn't sound like they've done much to do so...

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