| justin21 | 05-17-2007 03:21 PM |
sorry to revive an old thread.. im also trying to save weight gutted the trunk took foglights out. have a kakimoto titanium catback.. motegi racing tracklights 17-8 15.0lbs each.. ur pulley set.. looking to get an aluminum driveshaft and lightweight braille battery soon..
| GHK | 05-17-2007 04:36 PM |
don't go with braille!!! check out Deka ETX20L only 15lbs.
| wrxburton | 05-17-2007 04:55 PM |
so far my weigh reduction has gone like this. .
Lightweight bumper beam in front
removed all AC components
Removed power steering **** (I didnt like it anyways there so much more feedback without it)
removed battery from the ngine bay and relocated lightweight battery under pass seat.
removed all un-necessary brackets in engine compartment
removed firewall mat
removed all tar mat
removed all airbags
removed stock front seats replaced with sti spec-c RA seats
removed rear seat
removed headliner
removed O **** handle brackets(metal brackets that do nothing)
removed glovebox metal and center console metal
removed all trunk interior
removed spare tire
removed spare tools
carbon hood
carbon trunk
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal
Lightweight bumper beam in front
removed all AC components
Removed power steering **** (I didnt like it anyways there so much more feedback without it)
removed battery from the ngine bay and relocated lightweight battery under pass seat.
removed all un-necessary brackets in engine compartment
removed firewall mat
removed all tar mat
removed all airbags
removed stock front seats replaced with sti spec-c RA seats
removed rear seat
removed headliner
removed O **** handle brackets(metal brackets that do nothing)
removed glovebox metal and center console metal
removed all trunk interior
removed spare tire
removed spare tools
carbon hood
carbon trunk
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal
| Uncle Scotty | 05-17-2007 06:12 PM |
[QUOTE=wrxburton;18107681]so far my weigh reduction has gone like this. .
Lightweight bumper beam in front
removed all AC components
Removed power steering **** (I didnt like it anyways there so much more feedback without it)
removed battery from the ngine bay and relocated lightweight battery under pass seat.
removed all un-necessary brackets in engine compartment
removed firewall mat
removed all tar mat
removed all airbags
removed stock front seats replaced with sti spec-c RA seats
removed rear seat
removed headliner
removed O **** handle brackets(metal brackets that do nothing)
removed glovebox metal and center console metal
removed all trunk interior
removed spare tire
removed spare tools
carbon hood
carbon trunk
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal[/QUOTE]
....so how much does your race car weigh, now????
Lightweight bumper beam in front
removed all AC components
Removed power steering **** (I didnt like it anyways there so much more feedback without it)
removed battery from the ngine bay and relocated lightweight battery under pass seat.
removed all un-necessary brackets in engine compartment
removed firewall mat
removed all tar mat
removed all airbags
removed stock front seats replaced with sti spec-c RA seats
removed rear seat
removed headliner
removed O **** handle brackets(metal brackets that do nothing)
removed glovebox metal and center console metal
removed all trunk interior
removed spare tire
removed spare tools
carbon hood
carbon trunk
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal[/QUOTE]
....so how much does your race car weigh, now????
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-17-2007 07:10 PM |
did you happen to weigh the spec C seats vs the oem seats- I know the jdm seats come sans side air bags, not sure what if any weight savings there are
| justin21 | 05-17-2007 09:55 PM |
[QUOTE=GHK;18107411]don't go with braille!!! check out Deka ETX20L only 15lbs.[/QUOTE]
the one i was looking at getting is about 14-15lbs.. they have new cf batteries out oh!!! fancy!! :lol:
the one i was looking at getting is about 14-15lbs.. they have new cf batteries out oh!!! fancy!! :lol:
| aspera | 05-17-2007 10:29 PM |
[QUOTE=wrxburton;18107681]
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal[/QUOTE]
Pics! Pics!:D
Why didn't you remove the trunk hinges and just use hoodpins to keep the trunk attached? That would allow you to remove some of the rear parcel shelf. I guess you could just Swiss-cheese the rear parcel shelf, too.
How much did you save with the floor-mount setup? Are you the first to do this on an Impreza? If this is a race car, can you use a lighter steering column?
removed all pedals and replaced with tilton floor mount pedal assembly
drilled out trunk hinges
drilled out inner door metal[/QUOTE]
Pics! Pics!:D
Why didn't you remove the trunk hinges and just use hoodpins to keep the trunk attached? That would allow you to remove some of the rear parcel shelf. I guess you could just Swiss-cheese the rear parcel shelf, too.
How much did you save with the floor-mount setup? Are you the first to do this on an Impreza? If this is a race car, can you use a lighter steering column?
| BUCKman_02 | 05-18-2007 12:05 AM |
lose all cats, they weigh quite a bit, cf anything, as much on curb weight as possible, anything you don't need under the hood. keep the safety stuff that subie put in like blair says, if not a smaller batt, at least a relocation. when anyone goes to lose all this weight, balance should be kept in mind, losing 25lbs or whatever really doesn't matter when you have to add it all back as ballast.
| Uncle Ben | 05-18-2007 01:18 AM |
For those that do away with the passenger front airbag is there anything to replace the panel with??
| Uncle Scotty | 05-18-2007 03:11 AM |
[QUOTE=justin21;18110671]the one i was looking at getting is about 14-15lbs.. they have new cf batteries out oh!!! fancy!! :lol:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: ....junk
the Odyssey pc680 that was in my '02 and is now in my '06 has been in daily service since SEP03
....them junk braille batteries 'aint gonna last that long and cost 2x as much
:rolleyes: ....junk
the Odyssey pc680 that was in my '02 and is now in my '06 has been in daily service since SEP03
....them junk braille batteries 'aint gonna last that long and cost 2x as much
| wrxburton | 05-18-2007 12:05 PM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18110948]Pics! Pics!:D
Why didn't you remove the trunk hinges and just use hoodpins to keep the trunk attached? That would allow you to remove some of the rear parcel shelf. I guess you could just Swiss-cheese the rear parcel shelf, too.
How much did you save with the floor-mount setup? Are you the first to do this on an Impreza? If this is a race car, can you use a lighter steering column?[/QUOTE]
I didnt want to lose the usability of my trunk, and if you cut the parcel shelf off you loose a bit or rigidity around the rear strut towers.
you can just take the airbag off the plastic top. you just have to bend a few(like 20 metal tabs) its easy
the tilton assembly weights 8 lbs with the new master cylinders, all the old pedal assemblies and brackets weighed a hefty 43 lbs!
the Spec-c seats although I never weighed them weigh at least half of what a stock wrx seat with airbag weighs.
its not a race car i do daily drive it and although i know most people will be against it I dont mind it. soon it will become a weekend driver/track car so more weight to come off!!! My future plans are molded lexan windows (flexalite makes custom ones in a 10 order minimum so I figure id do that and sell them just to make the money for the extras back). carbon fiber doors depending on weight savings which I still dont know due to no one telling me on this forum. carbon fiber fixed back drivers seat(take pass side out for track days) drill and gusset(keeps the strength by flairing the holes) as much as possible(rear shelf, inner trunk areas, inner fender areas, radiator support. Carbon roof(not to be glued over existing one, cut out a 2 inch border around the stock roof and then glue/rivet it on), remove spare tire well, I have the perrin subframe just not on car yet, my goal is to get it down to 2500lbs with driver.
does anyone know how much the STI drivetrain weights compared to the wrx drivetrain? MY car as sits right now is at 2826.5lbs with a half a tank of gas and four point autopower cage(not the lightest of cages to get).
Why didn't you remove the trunk hinges and just use hoodpins to keep the trunk attached? That would allow you to remove some of the rear parcel shelf. I guess you could just Swiss-cheese the rear parcel shelf, too.
How much did you save with the floor-mount setup? Are you the first to do this on an Impreza? If this is a race car, can you use a lighter steering column?[/QUOTE]
I didnt want to lose the usability of my trunk, and if you cut the parcel shelf off you loose a bit or rigidity around the rear strut towers.
you can just take the airbag off the plastic top. you just have to bend a few(like 20 metal tabs) its easy
the tilton assembly weights 8 lbs with the new master cylinders, all the old pedal assemblies and brackets weighed a hefty 43 lbs!
the Spec-c seats although I never weighed them weigh at least half of what a stock wrx seat with airbag weighs.
its not a race car i do daily drive it and although i know most people will be against it I dont mind it. soon it will become a weekend driver/track car so more weight to come off!!! My future plans are molded lexan windows (flexalite makes custom ones in a 10 order minimum so I figure id do that and sell them just to make the money for the extras back). carbon fiber doors depending on weight savings which I still dont know due to no one telling me on this forum. carbon fiber fixed back drivers seat(take pass side out for track days) drill and gusset(keeps the strength by flairing the holes) as much as possible(rear shelf, inner trunk areas, inner fender areas, radiator support. Carbon roof(not to be glued over existing one, cut out a 2 inch border around the stock roof and then glue/rivet it on), remove spare tire well, I have the perrin subframe just not on car yet, my goal is to get it down to 2500lbs with driver.
does anyone know how much the STI drivetrain weights compared to the wrx drivetrain? MY car as sits right now is at 2826.5lbs with a half a tank of gas and four point autopower cage(not the lightest of cages to get).
| digitalboy40 | 05-18-2007 12:41 PM |
i don't know what it is about them, but i way the way all those gussets look on time attack/race cars. opera performance in japan go all out crazy with them when they do their chasis builds. i wanna learn how to do them and them go off on my car :D
| aspera | 05-18-2007 12:44 PM |
Pics! Pics!
I want to see how you drilled the holes in the trunk hinges, and doors. Did you use a Greenlee punch? Did you flare the holes? I haven't been able to find much info about flares. Anybody?...
You really got rid of that much weight doing the floor mounted pedals?
35 pounds!?!
Instead of rear carbon fiber doors and lexan windows, why not just do what a few race cars have done? Replace the rear doors with carbon (or fiberglass) door-like panels. Just paint the top window area black, and it will look like you just limo-tinted the windows.:p The weight reduction would be about the same as just taking off the rear doors (lots!). You would also keep the full safety funtionality and protection of the front doors by leaving them alone. Since your rear doors no longer need to protect passengers, you can just cover the holes with flimsy fiberglass.
Alternatively, you could gut the rear doors, remove all windows, and keep the car in the garage unless the weather is perfect. You might as well yank the windwhield wipers if you go this route.:lol:
I want to see how you drilled the holes in the trunk hinges, and doors. Did you use a Greenlee punch? Did you flare the holes? I haven't been able to find much info about flares. Anybody?...
You really got rid of that much weight doing the floor mounted pedals?
35 pounds!?!
Instead of rear carbon fiber doors and lexan windows, why not just do what a few race cars have done? Replace the rear doors with carbon (or fiberglass) door-like panels. Just paint the top window area black, and it will look like you just limo-tinted the windows.:p The weight reduction would be about the same as just taking off the rear doors (lots!). You would also keep the full safety funtionality and protection of the front doors by leaving them alone. Since your rear doors no longer need to protect passengers, you can just cover the holes with flimsy fiberglass.
Alternatively, you could gut the rear doors, remove all windows, and keep the car in the garage unless the weather is perfect. You might as well yank the windwhield wipers if you go this route.:lol:
| wrxburton | 05-18-2007 02:56 PM |
I wouldent go as far as removing the rear windows and wipers as sometimes this car will see the street and some days it might start raingin on the track so I would like the car to be able to drive inthe rain
| IllNastyImpreza | 05-18-2007 02:57 PM |
[QUOTE=wrxburton;18115992]I didnt want to lose the usability of my trunk, and if you cut the parcel shelf off you loose a bit or rigidity around the rear strut towers.
you can just take the airbag off the plastic top. you just have to bend a few(like 20 metal tabs) its easy
the tilton assembly weights 8 lbs with the new master cylinders, all the old pedal assemblies and brackets weighed a hefty 43 lbs!
the Spec-c seats although I never weighed them weigh at least half of what a stock wrx seat with airbag weighs.
its not a race car i do daily drive it and although i know most people will be against it I dont mind it. soon it will become a weekend driver/track car so more weight to come off!!! My future plans are molded lexan windows (flexalite makes custom ones in a 10 order minimum so I figure id do that and sell them just to make the money for the extras back). carbon fiber doors depending on weight savings which I still dont know due to no one telling me on this forum. carbon fiber fixed back drivers seat(take pass side out for track days) drill and gusset(keeps the strength by flairing the holes) as much as possible(rear shelf, inner trunk areas, inner fender areas, radiator support. Carbon roof(not to be glued over existing one, cut out a 2 inch border around the stock roof and then glue/rivet it on), remove spare tire well, I have the perrin subframe just not on car yet, my goal is to get it down to 2500lbs with driver.
does anyone know how much the STI drivetrain weights compared to the wrx drivetrain? MY car as sits right now is at 2826.5lbs with a half a tank of gas and four point autopower cage(not the lightest of cages to get).[/QUOTE]
curious.... what type of racing will you be doing? is it HP resitricted?
you can just take the airbag off the plastic top. you just have to bend a few(like 20 metal tabs) its easy
the tilton assembly weights 8 lbs with the new master cylinders, all the old pedal assemblies and brackets weighed a hefty 43 lbs!
the Spec-c seats although I never weighed them weigh at least half of what a stock wrx seat with airbag weighs.
its not a race car i do daily drive it and although i know most people will be against it I dont mind it. soon it will become a weekend driver/track car so more weight to come off!!! My future plans are molded lexan windows (flexalite makes custom ones in a 10 order minimum so I figure id do that and sell them just to make the money for the extras back). carbon fiber doors depending on weight savings which I still dont know due to no one telling me on this forum. carbon fiber fixed back drivers seat(take pass side out for track days) drill and gusset(keeps the strength by flairing the holes) as much as possible(rear shelf, inner trunk areas, inner fender areas, radiator support. Carbon roof(not to be glued over existing one, cut out a 2 inch border around the stock roof and then glue/rivet it on), remove spare tire well, I have the perrin subframe just not on car yet, my goal is to get it down to 2500lbs with driver.
does anyone know how much the STI drivetrain weights compared to the wrx drivetrain? MY car as sits right now is at 2826.5lbs with a half a tank of gas and four point autopower cage(not the lightest of cages to get).[/QUOTE]
curious.... what type of racing will you be doing? is it HP resitricted?
| TNTSchrift | 05-18-2007 05:38 PM |
If anyone is interested in doing the same thing, I have an 2000 RS that supposedly can fit the wrx motor but is lighter overall.
| IllNastyImpreza | 05-18-2007 08:31 PM |
[QUOTE=TNTSchrift;18120355]If anyone is interested in doing the same thing, I have an 2000 RS that supposedly can fit the wrx motor but is lighter overall.[/QUOTE]
welcome to the club :cool:
welcome to the club :cool:
| AcquaCow | 05-18-2007 09:14 PM |
[quote=TNTSchrift;18120355]If anyone is interested in doing the same thing, I have an 2000 RS that supposedly can fit the wrx motor but is lighter overall.[/quote]
2000 RS will fit more than the wrx motor ;)
As you can see, I'm another PC680 battery fan =)
[img]http://dave.oc7.org/images/misc/aps1.jpg[/img]
But that 6MT is a heavy ****er. :(
-- Dave
2000 RS will fit more than the wrx motor ;)
As you can see, I'm another PC680 battery fan =)
[img]http://dave.oc7.org/images/misc/aps1.jpg[/img]
But that 6MT is a heavy ****er. :(
-- Dave
| IllNastyImpreza | 05-19-2007 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE=AcquaCow;18122132]2000 RS will fit more than the wrx motor ;)
As you can see, I'm another PC680 battery fan =)
[img]http://dave.oc7.org/images/misc/aps1.jpg[/img]
But that 6MT is a heavy ****er. :(
-- Dave[/QUOTE]
wook at the wittle guy :p
I think that battery last about 3.5 seconds if I put it in my car....
As you can see, I'm another PC680 battery fan =)
[img]http://dave.oc7.org/images/misc/aps1.jpg[/img]
But that 6MT is a heavy ****er. :(
-- Dave[/QUOTE]
wook at the wittle guy :p
I think that battery last about 3.5 seconds if I put it in my car....
| JaMes W | 05-19-2007 01:08 PM |
yeah, thats what im wondering how long till the battery dies if you have stereo on when the car is off?
[quote=IllNastyImpreza;18126017]wook at the wittle guy :p
I think that battery last about 3.5 seconds if I put it in my car....[/quote]
[quote=IllNastyImpreza;18126017]wook at the wittle guy :p
I think that battery last about 3.5 seconds if I put it in my car....[/quote]
| dxrat | 05-19-2007 02:19 PM |
If you're worried about weight why would you have a big system. It will run radio just fine. If it is'nt a billion watt system with huge amps and subs.
| DoctorNick | 05-19-2007 02:27 PM |
[IMG]http://homepage.mac.com/importedgrey/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-02-03%2010.06.32%20-0800/nothinginside.jpg[/IMG]
Whom needs sound deadening material, plasic panels, rear seats and carpet in a race car.... not me :devil:
I'll have the ABSless, no A/C, no power windows, nothing but 2 seats and 2 speakers and a radio, OBD1- swaped scooby wag on the scales this monday.
The goal is 350whp in a car under 2700lbs Lets see if I did it :lol:
Whom needs sound deadening material, plasic panels, rear seats and carpet in a race car.... not me :devil:
I'll have the ABSless, no A/C, no power windows, nothing but 2 seats and 2 speakers and a radio, OBD1- swaped scooby wag on the scales this monday.
The goal is 350whp in a car under 2700lbs Lets see if I did it :lol:
| JaMes W | 05-19-2007 02:48 PM |
I have stock stereo. lol .. i was wondering because my freind has a braille and he said you cant run the radio for long with it off or it will drain. i was wondering if this one is any better. if not, im thinking a small honda battery or somthing might be bettter.
[quote=dxrat;18126481]If you're worried about weight why would you have a big system. It will run radio just fine. If it is'nt a billion watt system with huge amps and subs.[/quote]
[quote=dxrat;18126481]If you're worried about weight why would you have a big system. It will run radio just fine. If it is'nt a billion watt system with huge amps and subs.[/quote]
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-19-2007 03:04 PM |
I've got my 680 mounted flat (weight a smidge lower and and about zip chance of it moving)- made a little heat shield and wrapped the batter itself w/ some reflective heat wrap (adhesive backed).
This will be either my 3rd or 4th "summer" w/ it- still going like a champ :)
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/BIGSKYWRX/680mounted.jpg[/IMG]
This will be either my 3rd or 4th "summer" w/ it- still going like a champ :)
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/BIGSKYWRX/680mounted.jpg[/IMG]
| tommymoose | 05-19-2007 03:22 PM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX;18126761]I've got my 680 mounted flat (weight a smidge lower and and about zip chance of it moving)- made a little heat shield and wrapped the batter itself w/ some reflective heat wrap (adhesive backed).
This will be either my 3rd or 4th "summer" w/ it- still going like a champ :)
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/BIGSKYWRX/680mounted.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Does the engine heat have negative effects on the battery or something? Also, tipping the battery sideways is only alright for that kind of sealed battery right? I think I remember being told not to tip over car batteries because acid could leak, but maybe I'm crazy.
BTW, I'm in the process of doing the brake duct mod that you did a write-up for. Thanks for the idea :)
This will be either my 3rd or 4th "summer" w/ it- still going like a champ :)
[IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/BIGSKYWRX/680mounted.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Does the engine heat have negative effects on the battery or something? Also, tipping the battery sideways is only alright for that kind of sealed battery right? I think I remember being told not to tip over car batteries because acid could leak, but maybe I'm crazy.
BTW, I'm in the process of doing the brake duct mod that you did a write-up for. Thanks for the idea :)
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-19-2007 03:48 PM |
Yes heat is not good for a battery :)
Only sealed batteries should be mounted on their sides (I think these could be mounted upside down even- don't know why you'd want to do that, but it could be :))
Glad it helped- I just retired my rotors and they got a LOT more life out of them and am sure that the ducting at the track helped out a bunch w/ that.
Only sealed batteries should be mounted on their sides (I think these could be mounted upside down even- don't know why you'd want to do that, but it could be :))
Glad it helped- I just retired my rotors and they got a LOT more life out of them and am sure that the ducting at the track helped out a bunch w/ that.
| aspera | 05-19-2007 04:38 PM |
[QUOTE=DoctorNick;18126523]
Whom needs sound deadening material, plasic panels, rear seats and carpet in a race car.... not me :devil:
I'll have the ABSless, no A/C, no power windows, nothing but 2 seats and 2 speakers and a radio, OBD1- swaped scooby wag on the scales this monday.
The goal is 350whp in a car under 2700lbs Lets see if I did it :lol:[/QUOTE]
Don't you wish Subaru would listen to you and make a "Clubsport" or "Lightweight" version? I'd sure like to drive off the showroom floor knowing that there was no sound deadening tar that I'd ever have to peel off the car. I can deal with wind-up windows, too. In fact, NO windows is even better. Just look at what Chevrolet is going to do with the HHR Panel Wagon.
[url]http://www.sportruck.com/news/2007-Chevy-HHR-Panel/index.htm[/url]
Better than that is NO rear doors, but Subaru isn't listening. You'd think they'd take notice of all of the sports car nuts that have flooded into their showrooms over the last few years and offer a 2-door coupe. Even Volkswagen made Scirocco and Corrado version of the Golfs. They still make an Audi TT coupe off of the current Golf/Rabbit platform.
All things being equal, two doors are lighter. And by "all things" I mean the doors are interchangeable. No ten foot long Buick Riviera doors.:lol:
Whom needs sound deadening material, plasic panels, rear seats and carpet in a race car.... not me :devil:
I'll have the ABSless, no A/C, no power windows, nothing but 2 seats and 2 speakers and a radio, OBD1- swaped scooby wag on the scales this monday.
The goal is 350whp in a car under 2700lbs Lets see if I did it :lol:[/QUOTE]
Don't you wish Subaru would listen to you and make a "Clubsport" or "Lightweight" version? I'd sure like to drive off the showroom floor knowing that there was no sound deadening tar that I'd ever have to peel off the car. I can deal with wind-up windows, too. In fact, NO windows is even better. Just look at what Chevrolet is going to do with the HHR Panel Wagon.
[url]http://www.sportruck.com/news/2007-Chevy-HHR-Panel/index.htm[/url]
Better than that is NO rear doors, but Subaru isn't listening. You'd think they'd take notice of all of the sports car nuts that have flooded into their showrooms over the last few years and offer a 2-door coupe. Even Volkswagen made Scirocco and Corrado version of the Golfs. They still make an Audi TT coupe off of the current Golf/Rabbit platform.
All things being equal, two doors are lighter. And by "all things" I mean the doors are interchangeable. No ten foot long Buick Riviera doors.:lol:
| digitalboy40 | 05-19-2007 09:50 PM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18127342]Don't you wish Subaru would listen to you and make a "Clubsport" or "Lightweight" version? I'd sure like to drive off the showroom floor knowing that there was no sound deadening tar that I'd ever have to peel off the car. I can deal with wind-up windows, too. In fact, NO windows is even better. Just look at what Chevrolet is going to do with the HHR Panel Wagon.
[url]http://www.sportruck.com/news/2007-Chevy-HHR-Panel/index.htm[/url]
Better than that is NO rear doors, but Subaru isn't listening. You'd think they'd take notice of all of the sports car nuts that have flooded into their showrooms over the last few years and offer a 2-door coupe. Even Volkswagen made Scirocco and Corrado version of the Golfs. They still make an Audi TT coupe off of the current Golf/Rabbit platform.
All things being equal, two doors are lighter. And by "all things" I mean the doors are interchangeable. No ten foot long Buick Riviera doors.:lol:[/QUOTE]
Well they've got the Spec C RA which I believe is what they use for Grp. N rallying but as usual we don't get it here in the US :(
[url]http://www.sportruck.com/news/2007-Chevy-HHR-Panel/index.htm[/url]
Better than that is NO rear doors, but Subaru isn't listening. You'd think they'd take notice of all of the sports car nuts that have flooded into their showrooms over the last few years and offer a 2-door coupe. Even Volkswagen made Scirocco and Corrado version of the Golfs. They still make an Audi TT coupe off of the current Golf/Rabbit platform.
All things being equal, two doors are lighter. And by "all things" I mean the doors are interchangeable. No ten foot long Buick Riviera doors.:lol:[/QUOTE]
Well they've got the Spec C RA which I believe is what they use for Grp. N rallying but as usual we don't get it here in the US :(
| aspera | 05-19-2007 11:50 PM |
Cars on the other side of the world don't do me much good.
Think about the 22B for a moment. It was arguably the best car Subaru ever produced. Even though much of the hardware has evolved in the last decade, the formula for success hasn't been repeated. The formula is 2 doors+lightweight+widebody+STi drivetrain=awesome.
The frustrating thing is that a modern day 22B would be even cheaper to produce than a regular STi. The cost goes down when you start deleting major parts like doors, rear wipers, CD players, speakers, etc. Heck, I'd even buy one with steel wheels.:lol:
Think about the 22B for a moment. It was arguably the best car Subaru ever produced. Even though much of the hardware has evolved in the last decade, the formula for success hasn't been repeated. The formula is 2 doors+lightweight+widebody+STi drivetrain=awesome.
The frustrating thing is that a modern day 22B would be even cheaper to produce than a regular STi. The cost goes down when you start deleting major parts like doors, rear wipers, CD players, speakers, etc. Heck, I'd even buy one with steel wheels.:lol:
| Uncle Scotty | 05-20-2007 12:36 AM |
[QUOTE=digitalboy40;18129501]Well they've got the Spec C RA which I believe is what they use for Grp. N rallying but as usual we don't get it here in the US :([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=aspera;18130287]Cars on the other side of the world don't do me much good.
Think about the 22B for a moment. It was arguably the best car Subaru ever produced. Even though much of the hardware has evolved in the last decade, the formula for success hasn't been repeated. The formula is 2 doors+lightweight+widebody+STi drivetrain=awesome.
The frustrating thing is that a modern day 22B would be even cheaper to produce than a regular STi. The cost goes down when you start deleting major parts like doors, rear wipers, CD players, speakers, etc. Heck, I'd even buy one with steel wheels.:lol:[/QUOTE]
...the USDM will NEVER-EVER get any of the JDM 'candy'.....CAN NOT, EVER happen.
No as in NOT
[QUOTE=aspera;18130287]Cars on the other side of the world don't do me much good.
Think about the 22B for a moment. It was arguably the best car Subaru ever produced. Even though much of the hardware has evolved in the last decade, the formula for success hasn't been repeated. The formula is 2 doors+lightweight+widebody+STi drivetrain=awesome.
The frustrating thing is that a modern day 22B would be even cheaper to produce than a regular STi. The cost goes down when you start deleting major parts like doors, rear wipers, CD players, speakers, etc. Heck, I'd even buy one with steel wheels.:lol:[/QUOTE]
...the USDM will NEVER-EVER get any of the JDM 'candy'.....CAN NOT, EVER happen.
No as in NOT
| aspera | 05-20-2007 12:44 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18130562]...the USDM will NEVER-EVER get any of the JDM 'candy'.....CAN NOT, EVER happen.
No as in NOT[/QUOTE]
They'll never sell the WRX in the United States.:lol:
No as in NOT[/QUOTE]
They'll never sell the WRX in the United States.:lol:
| Uncle Scotty | 05-20-2007 01:40 AM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18130615]They'll never sell the WRX in the United States.:lol:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
| aspera | 05-20-2007 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18130953]:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Is that your "I just walked into a zinger." face? Just kidding. I agree with you, that it is very unlikely we will ever get Subaru's best in the United States. On the other hand, we did eventually get the WRX...and a 2.5L STi...and are about to get an Impreza sedan that Japan won't get.
If they can make a sedan just for North America, they can make a coupe.
Is that your "I just walked into a zinger." face? Just kidding. I agree with you, that it is very unlikely we will ever get Subaru's best in the United States. On the other hand, we did eventually get the WRX...and a 2.5L STi...and are about to get an Impreza sedan that Japan won't get.
If they can make a sedan just for North America, they can make a coupe.
| Uncle Scotty | 05-20-2007 07:41 PM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18132993]Is that your "I just walked into a zinger." face? Just kidding. I agree with you, that it is very unlikely we will ever get Subaru's best in the United States. On the other hand, we did eventually get the WRX...and a 2.5L STi...and are about to get an Impreza sedan that Japan won't get.
If they can make a sedan just for North America, [B]they can make a coupe.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
....keep smokin'....ya not stoned enough yet
...and subaru had to sell the wrx in the USA to stay afloat....and as long as the USA if LHD and japland is RHD....WE will NEVER get ANY of the good ****.
NEVER.
...and I'd MUCH rather have a 2800 pound EJ207 than the fatass GD(or whatever the new junk is) with a 2.5
If they can make a sedan just for North America, [B]they can make a coupe.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
....keep smokin'....ya not stoned enough yet
...and subaru had to sell the wrx in the USA to stay afloat....and as long as the USA if LHD and japland is RHD....WE will NEVER get ANY of the good ****.
NEVER.
...and I'd MUCH rather have a 2800 pound EJ207 than the fatass GD(or whatever the new junk is) with a 2.5
| aspera | 05-21-2007 04:12 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18135554]...and as long as the USA if LHD and japland is RHD...[/QUOTE]
You've brought up another good reason why it is easily within Subaru's power to produce a lightweight 2 door. They have, and continue to, make several versions of Impreza worldwide.
They make LHD and RHD versions.
They make sedans with flares and without flares.
They make wagons and sedans.
They offer several different kinds of glass (clear, tinted, w/radio, w/wiper, wagon, sedan, thinner for STi..)
They offer the Impreza with several different sizes of EJ-series engines, and now EL-series engines.
They offer a few kinds of auto and various 5 and 6-speed transaxles.
They even offer different rear diffs.
I think there are at least three different kinds of motor mounts, maybe more.
And let's not forget about the FWD Imprezas.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single part on the car that they don't make at least one other version of.
It is a given that Subaru can build a 2 door Impreza. They've done it before. It is also a given that all of the powertrain parts needed to build a 2 door Impreza STi 6-speed already exist. Some of our fellow club members have built them. If they can, can't Fuji Heavy Industries?
You've brought up another good reason why it is easily within Subaru's power to produce a lightweight 2 door. They have, and continue to, make several versions of Impreza worldwide.
They make LHD and RHD versions.
They make sedans with flares and without flares.
They make wagons and sedans.
They offer several different kinds of glass (clear, tinted, w/radio, w/wiper, wagon, sedan, thinner for STi..)
They offer the Impreza with several different sizes of EJ-series engines, and now EL-series engines.
They offer a few kinds of auto and various 5 and 6-speed transaxles.
They even offer different rear diffs.
I think there are at least three different kinds of motor mounts, maybe more.
And let's not forget about the FWD Imprezas.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single part on the car that they don't make at least one other version of.
It is a given that Subaru can build a 2 door Impreza. They've done it before. It is also a given that all of the powertrain parts needed to build a 2 door Impreza STi 6-speed already exist. Some of our fellow club members have built them. If they can, can't Fuji Heavy Industries?
| Uncle Scotty | 05-21-2007 09:59 AM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18139157]You've brought up another good reason why it is easily within Subaru's power to produce a lightweight 2 door. They have, and continue to, make several versions of Impreza worldwide.
They make LHD and RHD versions.
They make sedans with flares and without flares.
They make wagons and sedans.
They offer several different kinds of glass (clear, tinted, w/radio, w/wiper, wagon, sedan, thinner for STi..)
They offer the Impreza with several different sizes of EJ-series engines, and now EL-series engines.
They offer a few kinds of auto and various 5 and 6-speed transaxles.
They even offer different rear diffs.
I think there are at least three different kinds of motor mounts, maybe more.
And let's not forget about the FWD Imprezas.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single part on the car that they don't make at least one other version of.
It is a given that Subaru can build a 2 door Impreza. They've done it before. It is also a given that all of the powertrain parts needed to build a 2 door Impreza STi 6-speed already exist. Some of our fellow club members have built them. If they can, can't Fuji Heavy Industries?[/QUOTE]
:lol: :rolleyes: ....d0n't hold yer breath....ya gonna turn blue :lol:
...and ya blowin sunshine up yer own ass, here
...and don't forget that they HATE the americans, anyway....and dont [I]WANT [/I]to give us anything good....so the won't
They make LHD and RHD versions.
They make sedans with flares and without flares.
They make wagons and sedans.
They offer several different kinds of glass (clear, tinted, w/radio, w/wiper, wagon, sedan, thinner for STi..)
They offer the Impreza with several different sizes of EJ-series engines, and now EL-series engines.
They offer a few kinds of auto and various 5 and 6-speed transaxles.
They even offer different rear diffs.
I think there are at least three different kinds of motor mounts, maybe more.
And let's not forget about the FWD Imprezas.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single part on the car that they don't make at least one other version of.
It is a given that Subaru can build a 2 door Impreza. They've done it before. It is also a given that all of the powertrain parts needed to build a 2 door Impreza STi 6-speed already exist. Some of our fellow club members have built them. If they can, can't Fuji Heavy Industries?[/QUOTE]
:lol: :rolleyes: ....d0n't hold yer breath....ya gonna turn blue :lol:
...and ya blowin sunshine up yer own ass, here
...and don't forget that they HATE the americans, anyway....and dont [I]WANT [/I]to give us anything good....so the won't
| IllNastyImpreza | 05-21-2007 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18135554]... ......and I'd MUCH rather have a 2800 pound EJ207 than the fatass GD(or whatever the new junk is) with a 2.5[/QUOTE]
x2
Plus...I would love to see a new model 2 door come out in the future.... not sure if it will ever happen again :(
x2
Plus...I would love to see a new model 2 door come out in the future.... not sure if it will ever happen again :(
| STiShawn | 05-21-2007 01:05 PM |
i thought this thread was about weight reduction?
Has anyone removed the sound deadening/tar AND reinstalled the carpet? Was it obnoxious or livable? Im pretty tolerant of noise as my current exhaust is a straight piped axle back, as long as my wife and I can still talk its not too loud.
Has anyone removed the sound deadening/tar AND reinstalled the carpet? Was it obnoxious or livable? Im pretty tolerant of noise as my current exhaust is a straight piped axle back, as long as my wife and I can still talk its not too loud.
| wrxburton | 05-21-2007 01:46 PM |
i removed all the tar mat ans firewall mat and put the carpet back down. I remove all the fabric like **** off the back of the carpet as well and its livable I guess depends on what you consider livable. I am running an open DP right now and its livable for me haha
| deebee8 | 05-21-2007 02:58 PM |
for MOST people removing the tar is ridiculously overkill.
For hardcore race junkies like me, its music to my ears.
from a performance aspect, weight reduction is single handedly the best bang for the buck in terms of performance.
faster accelleration, harder cornering, shorter braking.
The downside. its noisy as hell without sound deadening.
id say, if your hardcore about performance do it. If you want to go faster but still want a comfortable car, DONT DO IT!!
That being said, ill post up some pictures of my ride, youll see why youd hate it.
For hardcore race junkies like me, its music to my ears.
from a performance aspect, weight reduction is single handedly the best bang for the buck in terms of performance.
faster accelleration, harder cornering, shorter braking.
The downside. its noisy as hell without sound deadening.
id say, if your hardcore about performance do it. If you want to go faster but still want a comfortable car, DONT DO IT!!
That being said, ill post up some pictures of my ride, youll see why youd hate it.
| living4surf | 05-21-2007 03:08 PM |
i have nothing behind the front seats, and the tar has been removed from the hole car including the carpet and firewall blanket and it is loud. like deebee said it is overkill for almost anyone if they are driving the car daily, but for me and a few others it is livable
| STiShawn | 05-21-2007 04:06 PM |
I know what its like without it all, I took 300lbs total out of my rally car and know what a racket it makes. Im just wondering how much sound the carpet quells..also where's this firewall blanket I keep hearing about (please dont say the firewall, I figured that part out) is it on the interior face of the firewall behind the dash,etc..
| living4surf | 05-21-2007 04:07 PM |
yes behind the dash and carpeting around the ecu and pedals
| aspera | 05-21-2007 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=STiShawn;18142405]i thought this thread was about weight reduction?
[/QUOTE]
Yes. The best weight reduction is done well before the car ever sees the showroom floor.
[/QUOTE]
Yes. The best weight reduction is done well before the car ever sees the showroom floor.
| deebee8 | 05-21-2007 05:34 PM |
the firewall blanket is literally matted directly up on the firewall DASH SIDE.
It is about 1/2 inch thick and that sucker is pretty thick. Best bet is to take off the dash to remove this piece =)
It is about 1/2 inch thick and that sucker is pretty thick. Best bet is to take off the dash to remove this piece =)
| aspera | 05-21-2007 05:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18140377]
...and ya blowin sunshine up yer own ass, here
[/QUOTE]
You're so diplomatic.:rolleyes:
By your reasoning, every 2 door L, 2.5RS, WRX, and STi is proof that the Japanese hate us and will never give us anything good. When in fact, they've gradually given us better and better versions of the Impreza over the years.
...and ya blowin sunshine up yer own ass, here
[/QUOTE]
You're so diplomatic.:rolleyes:
By your reasoning, every 2 door L, 2.5RS, WRX, and STi is proof that the Japanese hate us and will never give us anything good. When in fact, they've gradually given us better and better versions of the Impreza over the years.
| Uncle Scotty | 05-21-2007 07:07 PM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18145849]You're so diplomatic.:rolleyes:
By your reasoning, every 2 door L, 2.5RS, WRX, and STi is proof that the Japanese hate us and will never give us anything good. When in fact, they've gradually given us better and better versions of the Impreza over the years.[/QUOTE]
....d0000000d....we didn't get **** until the '04 STi got here....the wrx was a joke until the '06 got here, and if ya look at the specs of OTHER COUNTRIES vehicles....we STILL get the stuff they scrape off their shoes as far as 'performance' and 'options'
do some research...I have....maybe you should, and then you would know what I'm talking aobut here
By your reasoning, every 2 door L, 2.5RS, WRX, and STi is proof that the Japanese hate us and will never give us anything good. When in fact, they've gradually given us better and better versions of the Impreza over the years.[/QUOTE]
....d0000000d....we didn't get **** until the '04 STi got here....the wrx was a joke until the '06 got here, and if ya look at the specs of OTHER COUNTRIES vehicles....we STILL get the stuff they scrape off their shoes as far as 'performance' and 'options'
do some research...I have....maybe you should, and then you would know what I'm talking aobut here
| deebee8 | 05-22-2007 03:01 AM |
OK OK back on topic.....
| STiShawn | 05-22-2007 08:06 AM |
[QUOTE=aspera;18145571]Yes. The best weight reduction is done well before the car ever sees the showroom floor.[/QUOTE]
I agree, which is why I have a no options TR
I agree, which is why I have a no options TR
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-22-2007 09:54 AM |
long shot- has anyone tried to use a rear GC/GF lighweight beam on a GD/GG- I like the idea of replacing the heavier beam w/ a lighter one vs ditching it altogether.
[url]http://www.subaruparts.com/catalog/?section=819[/url] towards the bottom
[url]http://www.subaruparts.com/catalog/?section=819[/url] towards the bottom
| Daishi00 | 05-22-2007 10:01 AM |
^^^Just remove the beam all together...don't the Japanese models delete that anyways?
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-22-2007 10:28 AM |
the "new age" jdm Impreza's do delete the rear beam, I still like the idea of a lightweight beam there vs no beam :)
| SiFuSpEc | 05-22-2007 10:32 AM |
dont think it works, hmm i tossed around the idea of just welding some strong tube up and using that as my rear bumper beam..
| aspera | 05-22-2007 03:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;18146754]
do some research...I have....maybe you should, and then you would know what I'm talking aobut here[/QUOTE]
Okay. {aspera glances to the left}
My member number is lower than yours, therefore, relative to me...YOU'RE A N00B!:lol:
I really think that you're talking about something different than I am. You know that it is unlikely that Subaru will ever sell their best in the U.S., but you state it as a concrete fact that we'll NEVER get the goodies. I know that it is unlikely that Subaru will ever sell their best in the U.S., but it IS possible. We'd both like Subaru to sell these cars here, so we agree on that.
The difference between us is how we view the odds. Just like in Las Vegas, longshots DO exist even if the odds are slim.
What I'm trying to do here is change the odds. I'd like everyone to bitch and moan so much about not getting a lightweight 2 door that the second thing SoA learns in feedback for the new '08 Impreza is that everybody at Nasioc wants a lightweight 2 door. The first thing is that the '08 is ugly.;)
I'd also like people to vote with their dollar. If you buy a bloated, watered-down fleet car version of an Impreza (that looks like a Corolla), then that is what they will continue to give you. The trend over the last decade has been a demand for faster and sportier Imprezas. I'd hate to see a performance 'plateau', while the Evolution continues to evolve. As I said, the best weight reduction is done at the factory and I'd like to get everyone that reads this thread to demand a lightweight variant for the North American market.
As far as bumper beams, Subaru could have easily given the Impreza aluminum bumper beams just like they did for the (Impreza-based) Forester. That's an example of the factory level weight reduction that I'm talking about.
do some research...I have....maybe you should, and then you would know what I'm talking aobut here[/QUOTE]
Okay. {aspera glances to the left}
My member number is lower than yours, therefore, relative to me...YOU'RE A N00B!:lol:
I really think that you're talking about something different than I am. You know that it is unlikely that Subaru will ever sell their best in the U.S., but you state it as a concrete fact that we'll NEVER get the goodies. I know that it is unlikely that Subaru will ever sell their best in the U.S., but it IS possible. We'd both like Subaru to sell these cars here, so we agree on that.
The difference between us is how we view the odds. Just like in Las Vegas, longshots DO exist even if the odds are slim.
What I'm trying to do here is change the odds. I'd like everyone to bitch and moan so much about not getting a lightweight 2 door that the second thing SoA learns in feedback for the new '08 Impreza is that everybody at Nasioc wants a lightweight 2 door. The first thing is that the '08 is ugly.;)
I'd also like people to vote with their dollar. If you buy a bloated, watered-down fleet car version of an Impreza (that looks like a Corolla), then that is what they will continue to give you. The trend over the last decade has been a demand for faster and sportier Imprezas. I'd hate to see a performance 'plateau', while the Evolution continues to evolve. As I said, the best weight reduction is done at the factory and I'd like to get everyone that reads this thread to demand a lightweight variant for the North American market.
As far as bumper beams, Subaru could have easily given the Impreza aluminum bumper beams just like they did for the (Impreza-based) Forester. That's an example of the factory level weight reduction that I'm talking about.
| JaMes W | 05-22-2007 04:09 PM |
we did get the 2.5 L sti !
| MaxSTi05 | 10-14-2008 10:41 PM |
to wake up an old thread, what's the official trunk and wing weight of the 04-07 STI, separately? Can't find this info.
| SomeoneWhoIsntMe | 10-14-2008 11:17 PM |
About the bumper beams...
If I recall correctly, Japan has less stringent vehicle standards than the US. Most notably, the US requires cars to be able to withstand a 5mph impact with essentially no damage, which I don't believe is a requirement in other countries.
That's probably the reason why the JDM cars have either smaller or no bumper beams: they don't need them to sell the car there. Take out your bumper beams and replace them with flimsy little metal brackets, but keep in mind that car companies don't just throw big pieces of steel into their cars for no reason.
I'd wager the reason that the USDM bumpers are so bulky has to do with low speed impacts. Since we have to deal with stupid USDM drivers, I'd leave them in. I'd MUCH rather replace a bumper skin when I get tapped in the rear end at a stop light then have to deal with damage to the trunk, unibody, etc.
When you get rid of the bumper beams, the bumper skin is all that's covering the expensive sheetmetal bits, right?
If I recall correctly, Japan has less stringent vehicle standards than the US. Most notably, the US requires cars to be able to withstand a 5mph impact with essentially no damage, which I don't believe is a requirement in other countries.
That's probably the reason why the JDM cars have either smaller or no bumper beams: they don't need them to sell the car there. Take out your bumper beams and replace them with flimsy little metal brackets, but keep in mind that car companies don't just throw big pieces of steel into their cars for no reason.
I'd wager the reason that the USDM bumpers are so bulky has to do with low speed impacts. Since we have to deal with stupid USDM drivers, I'd leave them in. I'd MUCH rather replace a bumper skin when I get tapped in the rear end at a stop light then have to deal with damage to the trunk, unibody, etc.
When you get rid of the bumper beams, the bumper skin is all that's covering the expensive sheetmetal bits, right?
| Smoke | 10-14-2008 11:20 PM |
Volk Racing Wheels= 16 pounds for an 18 incher!
| BIGSKYWRX | 10-15-2008 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=SomeoneWhoIsntMe;24079286]
I'd wager the reason that the USDM bumpers are so bulky has to do with low speed impacts. Since we have to deal with stupid USDM drivers, I'd leave them in. I'd MUCH rather replace a bumper skin when I get tapped in the rear end at a stop light then have to deal with damage to the trunk, unibody, etc.
When you get rid of the bumper beams, the bumper skin is all that's covering the expensive sheetmetal bits, right?[/QUOTE]
that is the reason the USDM beams are larger/heavier
Japan does have low speed impact standard, but not as stringent as the US one
on the GC/GF the Japan models replace heavier beams for lighter ones front and rear, on the GD/GG the Japan models a lighter front beam is used and no beam in the rear
not sure on the newest GH/GR
I'd wager the reason that the USDM bumpers are so bulky has to do with low speed impacts. Since we have to deal with stupid USDM drivers, I'd leave them in. I'd MUCH rather replace a bumper skin when I get tapped in the rear end at a stop light then have to deal with damage to the trunk, unibody, etc.
When you get rid of the bumper beams, the bumper skin is all that's covering the expensive sheetmetal bits, right?[/QUOTE]
that is the reason the USDM beams are larger/heavier
Japan does have low speed impact standard, but not as stringent as the US one
on the GC/GF the Japan models replace heavier beams for lighter ones front and rear, on the GD/GG the Japan models a lighter front beam is used and no beam in the rear
not sure on the newest GH/GR
| scby rex | 10-15-2008 10:49 PM |
You sell the wagon Mike?^
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