| Mind | 11-20-2006 02:52 PM |
[QUOTE=mikehoyer;16049827]I have a 2006 WRX with the fixed integrated head restraints. Are there camera mounts to attach a camera to the passenger seat?[/QUOTE]
You can get a regular headrest pole mount and mount to the rear headrests. That's what I'm planning on doing.
You can get a regular headrest pole mount and mount to the rear headrests. That's what I'm planning on doing.
| Patrick Olsen | 11-20-2006 04:09 PM |
James - This is probably a stupid question, but I assume there's no issue with using the suction cups on windows that have been tinted, right? And the suction cups themselves are nice and soft, so they won't mess up the tint in anyway? I only ask because my brother asked me. My inclination would be to think there wouldn't be any issues, but since this thread got bumped I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. :)
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/url] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/url] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat
| Warp3 | 11-20-2006 05:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;16057293]
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/url] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...and it's waterproof up to 10-ft and uses SD cards (I already have a 1GB SD card that I use with my digital camera)...very nice! :D
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/url] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...and it's waterproof up to 10-ft and uses SD cards (I already have a 1GB SD card that I use with my digital camera)...very nice! :D
| JamesWilson | 11-20-2006 05:14 PM |
[quote=Patrick Olsen;16057293]James - This is probably a stupid question, but I assume there's no issue with using the suction cups on windows that have been tinted, right? And the suction cups themselves are nice and soft, so they won't mess up the tint in anyway? I only ask because my brother asked me. My inclination would be to think there wouldn't be any issues, but since this thread got bumped I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. :)
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [URL]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/URL] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat[/quote]
Suction mounts are fine for quality tints....as long as it's not bubbly and purple, it should be fine :)
mikehoyer-- you would use the SM31 for that application, it would be perfect....maybe an additional 3" extension. Otherwise, the side windows work pretty darn well....I will have Randy move that video file of that shot now, he's on the phone.
The problem with the digital camcorders and cameras still is the compromise in video quality, MPEG2 (ChaseCam PDR100 - $425.00, Stack DVR - $6,500.00-$8,000.00) versus MPEG4 (all others), and much lower resolution. We have been told by a certain Formula One engineer that our PDR100 actually produces [B]better quality video[/B] than the Stack DVR....
-JW
ChaseCam.com
As for in-car (or out-car) video options, check this baby out - [URL]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=20&scid=77&pid=709[/URL] . Self-contained camera/mic/digital recorder for just ~$120. Grab a 2GB SD card and you can record for about 2 hours, all digital. I think I'll be picking one of these up (or something similar) before next track/auto-x season begins.
Pat[/quote]
Suction mounts are fine for quality tints....as long as it's not bubbly and purple, it should be fine :)
mikehoyer-- you would use the SM31 for that application, it would be perfect....maybe an additional 3" extension. Otherwise, the side windows work pretty darn well....I will have Randy move that video file of that shot now, he's on the phone.
The problem with the digital camcorders and cameras still is the compromise in video quality, MPEG2 (ChaseCam PDR100 - $425.00, Stack DVR - $6,500.00-$8,000.00) versus MPEG4 (all others), and much lower resolution. We have been told by a certain Formula One engineer that our PDR100 actually produces [B]better quality video[/B] than the Stack DVR....
-JW
ChaseCam.com
| JamesWilson | 11-21-2006 01:24 AM |
We are famous!
From SEMA 2006-
[url]http://hspn.tv/?videoid=104&catid=16[/url]
Randy talking, me in the background after about 3 minutes :-)
-JW
From SEMA 2006-
[url]http://hspn.tv/?videoid=104&catid=16[/url]
Randy talking, me in the background after about 3 minutes :-)
-JW
| MaxSTi05 | 11-28-2006 06:57 PM |
Still need some info on std camcorder mounts. That is, I have a solid mount already (svtek), on my roll bar, so in-car vibration is not an issue. But, as far as camcorder types, what gives best image stabilization - MiniDV, harddrive, Hi-8, others - as far as resolution, bounciness and lighting for in-car mounts? I will use a wide angle adapter and look for models with digital image stabilization.
| mav1c | 11-29-2006 07:26 AM |
Like you said, digital image stabilization seems best. Also it seems that some people with Hard Drive cameras have problems with them shutting off due to the vibrations. I think your safest bet is MiniDV, since a lot of people have used that format without issues. I've used my Canon Elura for 5+ years and never had a problem. It's getting a little old, and there seems to be a few more jitters on the tape everyone once in a while, but considering the vibrations and abuse it's been through over the years, I'm very impressed. My next camera will definitely be a Canon, but I thikn my next in-car system will be from ChaseCam.
| mav1c | 11-29-2006 07:28 AM |
JW,
maybe I missed it, but is there any way to tell how much memory/video time is left on the Compact Flash card without having to put it in a computer?
maybe I missed it, but is there any way to tell how much memory/video time is left on the Compact Flash card without having to put it in a computer?
| rally_on | 11-29-2006 07:58 AM |
Chasecam FTW
i got the 6 suction cup one :D
i got the 6 suction cup one :D
| JamesWilson | 11-29-2006 11:49 AM |
[quote=mav1c;16147585]JW,
maybe I missed it, but is there any way to tell how much memory/video time is left on the Compact Flash card without having to put it in a computer?[/quote]
The Moderators are not allowing me to talk about it, but maybe it will get to you before it is deleted....
About 34 minutes per GB is the norm for what is called "Normal" quality setting (user-selectable)...still worlds better than MPEG4. DVD/Production Quality is the "Highest" setting, gets about 17 minutes per GB. "Subnormal" gets about 45 minutes per GB. Most guys run 2gb or 4gb cards for track use and races, gets a lot of high-quality recording at a good (current) industry price. 8gig cards are about the affordable ceiling right now, as 10gb-16gb cards can run over $800.00 and have limited availability from most electronics stores selling them.
Hope that helps!
OT-- how to keep your wife away from Black Friday....take her racing all day!!
[url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/cscc-nov-2007-pract/jw2.html[/url]
Thanks Mako!
-JW
'98 Impreza L, H-Stock
maybe I missed it, but is there any way to tell how much memory/video time is left on the Compact Flash card without having to put it in a computer?[/quote]
The Moderators are not allowing me to talk about it, but maybe it will get to you before it is deleted....
About 34 minutes per GB is the norm for what is called "Normal" quality setting (user-selectable)...still worlds better than MPEG4. DVD/Production Quality is the "Highest" setting, gets about 17 minutes per GB. "Subnormal" gets about 45 minutes per GB. Most guys run 2gb or 4gb cards for track use and races, gets a lot of high-quality recording at a good (current) industry price. 8gig cards are about the affordable ceiling right now, as 10gb-16gb cards can run over $800.00 and have limited availability from most electronics stores selling them.
Hope that helps!
OT-- how to keep your wife away from Black Friday....take her racing all day!!
[url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/cscc-nov-2007-pract/jw2.html[/url]
Thanks Mako!
-JW
'98 Impreza L, H-Stock
| MaxSTi05 | 01-09-2007 02:36 PM |
Does anyone have an in-car sample using at least a 1/3" or 1/4" single or multiple CCD camcorder or lipstick? I would hope the resolution (from in-car view, daylight) would be much better, but still looking for options. Would a 520 res Sony bullet cam be much sharper?
My clip below is from a Sony analog camcorder with 1/6" CCD and 0.6 Sony wideangle lens, mounted on my Autopower rollbar, a good solid mount.
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1705344128561799835&q=streets+of+willow+ccw[/url]
This Crawford clip has great resolution. What's the setup?
[url]http://www.crawfordperformance.com/timeattack/tt06.wmv[/url]
My clip below is from a Sony analog camcorder with 1/6" CCD and 0.6 Sony wideangle lens, mounted on my Autopower rollbar, a good solid mount.
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1705344128561799835&q=streets+of+willow+ccw[/url]
This Crawford clip has great resolution. What's the setup?
[url]http://www.crawfordperformance.com/timeattack/tt06.wmv[/url]
| Patrick Olsen | 01-09-2007 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE=MaxSTi05;16598105][url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1705344128561799835&q=streets+of+willow+ccw[/url][/quote]
Google Video is a pretty poor way to demonstrate video quality, as all the clips on there seem to be in reduced resolution.
Not directly related to MaxSTI's question, but I bought one of these Oregon Scientific ATC2000 cameras around Christmas time - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=6&scid=14&pid=709[/url] . They were on back-order for just under $100, so I don't actually have it in hand yet. Looks like [URL="http://www.beachaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=84922"][U]these guys[/U][/URL] have it even cheaper, but show 0 in stock. I'm curious to see how well it works out, should be fun to play with at least. :)
Pat
Google Video is a pretty poor way to demonstrate video quality, as all the clips on there seem to be in reduced resolution.
Not directly related to MaxSTI's question, but I bought one of these Oregon Scientific ATC2000 cameras around Christmas time - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=6&scid=14&pid=709[/url] . They were on back-order for just under $100, so I don't actually have it in hand yet. Looks like [URL="http://www.beachaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=84922"][U]these guys[/U][/URL] have it even cheaper, but show 0 in stock. I'm curious to see how well it works out, should be fun to play with at least. :)
Pat
| MaxSTi05 | 01-09-2007 05:50 PM |
Has anyone bought and used this exact set up? It's a Sony 520 res, 1/3" CCD (good size!) bullet cam, has nice specs but does it perform well in-car?
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-CCD-HELMET-CAM-520-LINE-COLOR-BULLET-CAMERA-AUDIO_W0QQitemZ300067297091QQihZ020QQcategoryZ23780QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-CCD-HELMET-CAM-520-LINE-COLOR-BULLET-CAMERA-AUDIO_W0QQitemZ300067297091QQihZ020QQcategoryZ23780QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
| JamesWilson | 01-16-2007 01:52 AM |
[quote=MaxSTi05;16601156]Has anyone bought and used this exact set up? It's a Sony 520 res, 1/3" CCD (good size!) bullet cam, has nice specs but does it perform well in-car?
[URL]http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-CCD-HELMET-CAM-520-LINE-COLOR-BULLET-CAMERA-AUDIO_W0QQitemZ300067297091QQihZ020QQcategoryZ23780QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/URL][/quote]
Just tested one of those for a customer. The "digital zoom" is an electronic pan, seemed gimicky...it would remove sections of the viewing frame to make it seem like it was panning, same with the zoom. It is also larger than most other CCD-style cameras, and with more internal parts has potential for breakage internally. You still need a mic and a power source for that camera as well. The LUX value is quite low (0.1-0.9 effectively) with the day and night adjustable backlight, which is still too low for outdoor bright motorsports use. Despite the description, find me a pro team using that camera for any of their systems :).
[IMG]http://files.triton.net/deg13/helmetcamdiagram.jpg[/IMG]
OR
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/pdr100-rear-72dpi.jpg[/IMG]
Which one looks "easier"?
Not that I do this for a living or anything :D
Just shot in-car video x 3 of the GraveDigger monster truck in Anaheim over the weekend, 6g to 10g+ shockloading is absolutely INSANE to watch. I will post the links tomorrow.....
-James
[URL]http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-CCD-HELMET-CAM-520-LINE-COLOR-BULLET-CAMERA-AUDIO_W0QQitemZ300067297091QQihZ020QQcategoryZ23780QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/URL][/quote]
Just tested one of those for a customer. The "digital zoom" is an electronic pan, seemed gimicky...it would remove sections of the viewing frame to make it seem like it was panning, same with the zoom. It is also larger than most other CCD-style cameras, and with more internal parts has potential for breakage internally. You still need a mic and a power source for that camera as well. The LUX value is quite low (0.1-0.9 effectively) with the day and night adjustable backlight, which is still too low for outdoor bright motorsports use. Despite the description, find me a pro team using that camera for any of their systems :).
[IMG]http://files.triton.net/deg13/helmetcamdiagram.jpg[/IMG]
OR
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/pdr100-rear-72dpi.jpg[/IMG]
Which one looks "easier"?
Not that I do this for a living or anything :D
Just shot in-car video x 3 of the GraveDigger monster truck in Anaheim over the weekend, 6g to 10g+ shockloading is absolutely INSANE to watch. I will post the links tomorrow.....
-James
| grippgoat | 01-26-2007 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=SLIGHTLY;13540777]i have my opturia Xi and the [b]IO Port Racing[/b] camera mount
[img]http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/images/speedwarecameramount.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Fixed that, in case no-one else caught it.
-Mike
[img]http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/images/speedwarecameramount.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Fixed that, in case no-one else caught it.
-Mike
| sachilles | 01-27-2007 04:59 PM |
Just an FYI.
Through work, I tend to do a bit of our video security. There are lot of decent, fairly inexpensive options out there. Most can integrate your current camcorder.
You can get a mobile DVR that will take video feeds from up to 4 different channels. Standard grade security cams can do decent enough video.
Its possible to get yourself up with 4 distinct video feeds recorded simultaneously.
That would allow you to use you normal camera to take video as normal. Put another camera to watch your footwork. Another could be an exterior view. They'd all be time indexed, so you could edit them together accurately.
superciruits.com has a bunch of the stuff to give you an idea of prices and uses.
Of course, the more you spend the more you can do. If you were so inclined, you could have the video sent out wirelessly to be recorded somewhere outside of the car.
Trying to figure out a way to justify buying the stuff to the wife. If only we had a kid, I could justify it as a baby monitor or something:lol:
For the short term I made my own mount similar to the chase came mount. Seems to work ok. I have a fairly small(cheap) camera, so it stays very steady. I think the bigger and heavier the cam, the more crucial having a good mount is.
Through work, I tend to do a bit of our video security. There are lot of decent, fairly inexpensive options out there. Most can integrate your current camcorder.
You can get a mobile DVR that will take video feeds from up to 4 different channels. Standard grade security cams can do decent enough video.
Its possible to get yourself up with 4 distinct video feeds recorded simultaneously.
That would allow you to use you normal camera to take video as normal. Put another camera to watch your footwork. Another could be an exterior view. They'd all be time indexed, so you could edit them together accurately.
superciruits.com has a bunch of the stuff to give you an idea of prices and uses.
Of course, the more you spend the more you can do. If you were so inclined, you could have the video sent out wirelessly to be recorded somewhere outside of the car.
Trying to figure out a way to justify buying the stuff to the wife. If only we had a kid, I could justify it as a baby monitor or something:lol:
For the short term I made my own mount similar to the chase came mount. Seems to work ok. I have a fairly small(cheap) camera, so it stays very steady. I think the bigger and heavier the cam, the more crucial having a good mount is.
| fliz | 02-09-2007 11:20 AM |
Bumping this up for more DVR options.
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL=http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956][img]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/img][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL=http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956][img]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/img][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.
| fliz | 02-09-2007 04:32 PM |
Well, after a little searching online, I went ahead and picked up a moderately priced DVR from Target (Aiptek MPVR+)
8MP stills (actually 3MP w/ fill in software), 90 min. MPEG-4 VGA on 2 GB SD card, and external DV input. I'll be taking in-car at the ice trials on Saturday (arguably the most difficult vid to capture w/ any contrast). I'm going to try the DVR direct and also w/ my bullet cam to see which works best. A test shoot in the office was surprisingly good, especially for a $150 cam.
8MP stills (actually 3MP w/ fill in software), 90 min. MPEG-4 VGA on 2 GB SD card, and external DV input. I'll be taking in-car at the ice trials on Saturday (arguably the most difficult vid to capture w/ any contrast). I'm going to try the DVR direct and also w/ my bullet cam to see which works best. A test shoot in the office was surprisingly good, especially for a $150 cam.
| JamesWilson | 02-09-2007 05:39 PM |
[quote=fliz;16991086]Bumping this up for more DVR options.
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956"][IMG]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.[/quote]
Robbie Gordon seemed to like using my solid-state recorders at Baja1000 and Dakar, same units lasted both races:
[IMG]http://www.robbygordon.com/Imagefolio31_file/gallery/03_OFF-ROAD/05_RALLY_RACING/DAKAR_2007/020_Lexar_Media_Gallery/Lexar_Dakar_167.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.robbygordon.com/Imagefolio31_file/gallery/03_OFF-ROAD/05_RALLY_RACING/DAKAR_2007/020_Lexar_Media_Gallery/Lexar_Dakar_031.jpg[/IMG]
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956"][IMG]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.[/quote]
Robbie Gordon seemed to like using my solid-state recorders at Baja1000 and Dakar, same units lasted both races:
[IMG]http://www.robbygordon.com/Imagefolio31_file/gallery/03_OFF-ROAD/05_RALLY_RACING/DAKAR_2007/020_Lexar_Media_Gallery/Lexar_Dakar_167.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.robbygordon.com/Imagefolio31_file/gallery/03_OFF-ROAD/05_RALLY_RACING/DAKAR_2007/020_Lexar_Media_Gallery/Lexar_Dakar_031.jpg[/IMG]
| Sublover | 02-09-2007 06:08 PM |
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Fast Toys . Net has some bullet race cameras packages or mounts just to install your own stuff.
Looks like a good system and you can replace lenses for a wider angle or if they get broken. The sample videos show some auto-x footage too.
Looks like a good system and you can replace lenses for a wider angle or if they get broken. The sample videos show some auto-x footage too.
| fliz | 02-09-2007 07:05 PM |
[QUOTE=JamesWilson;16995967]Robbie Gordon seemed to like using my solid-state recorders at Baja1000 and Dakar, same units lasted both races:
[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he loved them.
Unfortunately, my budget is significantly less than his. ;)
Although if you're interested in partnering with a RallyAmerica regional competitor, I'd be glad to demo a ChaseCam and compare quality.
[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he loved them.
Unfortunately, my budget is significantly less than his. ;)
Although if you're interested in partnering with a RallyAmerica regional competitor, I'd be glad to demo a ChaseCam and compare quality.
| AndrewSS | 02-09-2007 07:46 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;16991086]Bumping this up for more DVR options.
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL=http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956][img]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/img][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.[/QUOTE]
Nice work, I kinda ran with this idea last august and made this:
I like it because the perspective is great for getting footage of what the driver does AND out the windshield. Also its bolted to the chassis so its a hardmount that will pass tech everywhere.
[img]http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6091/mountseatcameraonqh0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1873/mountseaton1xw4.jpg[/img]
PM me if you want more info for this mount...
PS: here is a run in my car with a codriver of mine with my mount: [url]http://media.putfile.com/rob-incar-subieautox[/url]
I've got a bullet cam w/ Sony 1/4" CCD, but I dropped my JVC recorder last weekend, and now it won't power up.
I'm looking for something cheap that will hold up to the rally car and accept at least a 2GB card.
Also, for mounting, I fabbed up a mount for my WRX. I remove the rear seat to transport tires, so I unbolted the center passthrough latch and replaced it with this:
[URL=http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4725956][img]http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3911191637.jpg[/img][/URL]
It's very stable, so vibration shouldn't be an issue. I just hope it's tall enough to see over the hoodscoop.[/QUOTE]
Nice work, I kinda ran with this idea last august and made this:
I like it because the perspective is great for getting footage of what the driver does AND out the windshield. Also its bolted to the chassis so its a hardmount that will pass tech everywhere.
[img]http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6091/mountseatcameraonqh0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1873/mountseaton1xw4.jpg[/img]
PM me if you want more info for this mount...
PS: here is a run in my car with a codriver of mine with my mount: [url]http://media.putfile.com/rob-incar-subieautox[/url]
| JamesWilson | 02-09-2007 10:14 PM |
[quote=fliz;16996809]I'm sure he loved them.
Unfortunately, my budget is significantly less than his. ;)
Although if you're interested in partnering with a RallyAmerica regional competitor, I'd be glad to demo a ChaseCam and compare quality.[/quote]
Nah, they are extremely inexpensive...I know, I build them! We are currently working with Rally America as an organization, as well as Pro Formula Mazda and Stohr Forumula 1000 to have units in all competing vehicles.
In the meantime, we finally completed a major project tonight, as filmed in my H-Stock Impreza this afternoon:
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27&stc=1&d=1171070569[/IMG]
Unfortunately, my budget is significantly less than his. ;)
Although if you're interested in partnering with a RallyAmerica regional competitor, I'd be glad to demo a ChaseCam and compare quality.[/quote]
Nah, they are extremely inexpensive...I know, I build them! We are currently working with Rally America as an organization, as well as Pro Formula Mazda and Stohr Forumula 1000 to have units in all competing vehicles.
In the meantime, we finally completed a major project tonight, as filmed in my H-Stock Impreza this afternoon:
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27&stc=1&d=1171070569[/IMG]
| fliz | 02-11-2007 05:46 PM |
I had a chance to use my cheapo cam yesterday.
I had the wrong wire, so no bullet-cam video, but here's what I got from the Aiptek:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXPnyZ-W0Jk[/url]
Poor contrast, and the night videos are almost completely black. About what I expected for the price of the camera. I'm hopeful that once I hook up the bullet cam correctly, I will get some better footage.
I had the wrong wire, so no bullet-cam video, but here's what I got from the Aiptek:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXPnyZ-W0Jk[/url]
Poor contrast, and the night videos are almost completely black. About what I expected for the price of the camera. I'm hopeful that once I hook up the bullet cam correctly, I will get some better footage.
| jweiss | 02-11-2007 07:05 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;17013089]I had a chance to use my cheapo cam yesterday.
I had the wrong wire, so no bullet-cam video, but here's what I got from the Aiptek:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXPnyZ-W0Jk[/url]
Poor contrast, and the night videos are almost completely black. About what I expected for the price of the camera. I'm hopeful that once I hook up the bullet cam correctly, I will get some better footage.[/QUOTE]
Note how the interior of your car is nearly perfectly exposed but the snow is washed out. This is not poor contrast, it is poor exposure. You need to adjust the "exposure" setting in the "Setup" menu. Right now the camera is metering off the back of your shirt and your dashboard.
Here's a video I took with the Aiptek MPVR:
[url]http://www.sci.utah.edu/~weiss/temp/mmp_west_course_062506_0001.wmv[/url]
As you can see it is a little over-exposed too. This was before I adjusted the exposure setting. Once I adjusted it to the proper level for the track (rather than the inside of my car) it was much better.
Jeff
I had the wrong wire, so no bullet-cam video, but here's what I got from the Aiptek:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXPnyZ-W0Jk[/url]
Poor contrast, and the night videos are almost completely black. About what I expected for the price of the camera. I'm hopeful that once I hook up the bullet cam correctly, I will get some better footage.[/QUOTE]
Note how the interior of your car is nearly perfectly exposed but the snow is washed out. This is not poor contrast, it is poor exposure. You need to adjust the "exposure" setting in the "Setup" menu. Right now the camera is metering off the back of your shirt and your dashboard.
Here's a video I took with the Aiptek MPVR:
[url]http://www.sci.utah.edu/~weiss/temp/mmp_west_course_062506_0001.wmv[/url]
As you can see it is a little over-exposed too. This was before I adjusted the exposure setting. Once I adjusted it to the proper level for the track (rather than the inside of my car) it was much better.
Jeff
| jweiss | 02-11-2007 07:14 PM |
Here's a vid with better exposure, but unfortunately I had the focus set to "the flower" rather than "the mountain" so my dash is in perfect focus but the cars around me are not... :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.sci.utah.edu/~weiss/temp/mmp_pca_100106_0001.wmv[/url]
[url]http://www.sci.utah.edu/~weiss/temp/mmp_pca_100106_0001.wmv[/url]
| fliz | 02-11-2007 07:25 PM |
You're right. I forgot to adjust the exposure. There's another event next Sunday...so I'll be trying again.
| fasteddie | 02-13-2007 08:41 AM |
I have a question for the Aiptek MPVR users. Does the lcd screen door have to be open for it to record? I read the online manual and it sounds like you need to open the door for it to power up. I am worried that it may flop around, shut it's self down, break or at least complicate mounting in a rally car environment.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Ted Mendham
[url]www.rensport.net[/url]
What do you think?
Thanks,
Ted Mendham
[url]www.rensport.net[/url]
| fliz | 02-13-2007 09:15 AM |
[QUOTE=fasteddie;17033913]I have a question for the Aiptek MPVR users. Does the lcd screen door have to be open for it to record? I read the online manual and it sounds like you need to open the door for it to power up. I am worried that it may flop around, shut it's self down, break or at least complicate mounting in a rally car environment.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Ted Mendham
[url]www.rensport.net[/url][/QUOTE]
It flips around and closes against the body again (w/ the screen facing out), like most other flip screens. The power button is under the screen, so no risk of it turning off. The bad part is that the LCD screen will probably get scratched up pretty good. I plan to leave the protective plastic film on for as long as possible.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Ted Mendham
[url]www.rensport.net[/url][/QUOTE]
It flips around and closes against the body again (w/ the screen facing out), like most other flip screens. The power button is under the screen, so no risk of it turning off. The bad part is that the LCD screen will probably get scratched up pretty good. I plan to leave the protective plastic film on for as long as possible.
| fasteddie | 02-13-2007 09:23 AM |
fliz,
Thanks!
Sure seems worth a try at the price.
Ted
Thanks!
Sure seems worth a try at the price.
Ted
| fliz | 02-13-2007 10:04 AM |
[QUOTE=fasteddie;17034221]fliz,
Thanks!
Sure seems worth a try at the price.
Ted[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought. Keep in mind, I haven't tested it on stage yet, so it could end up dying first time it sees dirt.
Thanks!
Sure seems worth a try at the price.
Ted[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought. Keep in mind, I haven't tested it on stage yet, so it could end up dying first time it sees dirt.
| engineerx | 02-14-2007 12:26 AM |
That's what I have
Sony hi-res bullet cam, I think it captures 420 lines of resolution. Connects to my DV cam which I activate via a Lanc cable.
mounted on my helmet - I like the perspective, driver's pov
I'll try to mount it on other fun locations in the future: roof, bumper, side of car, etc
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A2DJ7Zr5CQ[/url]
[IMG]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/helmetcam.jpg[/IMG]
Sony hi-res bullet cam, I think it captures 420 lines of resolution. Connects to my DV cam which I activate via a Lanc cable.
mounted on my helmet - I like the perspective, driver's pov
I'll try to mount it on other fun locations in the future: roof, bumper, side of car, etc
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A2DJ7Zr5CQ[/url]
[IMG]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/helmetcam.jpg[/IMG]
| Draken | 02-14-2007 01:10 AM |
Here is a video I grabbed using my el cheapo Aiptek camera:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0oZHGjE8Q[/url]
The sound quality is terrible in this one because: 1) I had left my window net down, so there is way more wind noise, and 2) I had to reroute my usual straight pipe exhaust to a more Laguna Seca friendly side exit with baffled muffler exhaust. So...not enough exhaust sounds, too much wind noise.
Chris H.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0oZHGjE8Q[/url]
The sound quality is terrible in this one because: 1) I had left my window net down, so there is way more wind noise, and 2) I had to reroute my usual straight pipe exhaust to a more Laguna Seca friendly side exit with baffled muffler exhaust. So...not enough exhaust sounds, too much wind noise.
Chris H.
| scottjua | 02-14-2007 07:17 PM |
what chase cam stuff do we need to get footage like the Best Motoring crew achieves? I had two of the mounts already, but waiting on the camera, and recording equipment, until I can figure it all out.
| JamesWilson | 02-14-2007 11:55 PM |
[quote=scottjua;17055981]what ChaseCam stuff do we need to get footage like the Best Motoring crew achieves? I had two of the mounts already, but waiting on the camera, and recording equipment, until I can figure it all out.[/quote]
The standard PDR100 will record near-DVD quality video at full screen 720x480 line NTSC MPEG2 video at 30fps, recording to the compact flash card at 8mbs. This is what Robbie Gordon used at Baja and Dakar, what 30+ teams used at the 24 Hours of Daytona, what Honda R&D uses on all of their vehicles, and what two top Formula One teams use in all non-race testing (R_____ and M_______). They are all using CCD bullet cameras (except Gordon, who used CMOS cameras by Micron, and Honda who is using "a very very expensive camera"), which are slightly limiting in their quality.....the better the quality camera you use, the better quality video will be as the recorder is already operating at much higher resolution than the camera itself.
As more and more shows are being filmed in HD, you will see less shots with CCD cameras, and if they are shown, it will be short cut-away shots as to not conflict the quality between the DVD/Broadcast and HD. Downside of HD now is the amount of processing and memory required, which is why so many systems are run off of a hard drive. Hard drives still have many moving parts and fail regularly even in easier applications, the guys at the Dupont Registry called me last week with another horror story of broken expensive equipment. There are new HD recorders that record to discs, but again more moving parts are points of failure. HD technology is well within our grasp, but is currently a tad expensive for development for us at this time. As Compact Flash Cards get larger and larger, and processor speeds increase, it is a definite possibility in the future.
So overall perceived quality should be that of what you will see on SPEED on BTCC races (they have very cool in-car video!!), broadcasts of Dakar on Versus (lot of our footage there also), but not quite WRC races and Formula One, as they have very expensive adjustable LUX and backlight control cameras and satellite transmitters to stationary recorders with edited feeds :) The benefit will be the ability to have bulletproof solid-state recording at Broadcast quality, over multiple seasons without spending more than a set of tires :D
-James
ChaseCam.com
The standard PDR100 will record near-DVD quality video at full screen 720x480 line NTSC MPEG2 video at 30fps, recording to the compact flash card at 8mbs. This is what Robbie Gordon used at Baja and Dakar, what 30+ teams used at the 24 Hours of Daytona, what Honda R&D uses on all of their vehicles, and what two top Formula One teams use in all non-race testing (R_____ and M_______). They are all using CCD bullet cameras (except Gordon, who used CMOS cameras by Micron, and Honda who is using "a very very expensive camera"), which are slightly limiting in their quality.....the better the quality camera you use, the better quality video will be as the recorder is already operating at much higher resolution than the camera itself.
As more and more shows are being filmed in HD, you will see less shots with CCD cameras, and if they are shown, it will be short cut-away shots as to not conflict the quality between the DVD/Broadcast and HD. Downside of HD now is the amount of processing and memory required, which is why so many systems are run off of a hard drive. Hard drives still have many moving parts and fail regularly even in easier applications, the guys at the Dupont Registry called me last week with another horror story of broken expensive equipment. There are new HD recorders that record to discs, but again more moving parts are points of failure. HD technology is well within our grasp, but is currently a tad expensive for development for us at this time. As Compact Flash Cards get larger and larger, and processor speeds increase, it is a definite possibility in the future.
So overall perceived quality should be that of what you will see on SPEED on BTCC races (they have very cool in-car video!!), broadcasts of Dakar on Versus (lot of our footage there also), but not quite WRC races and Formula One, as they have very expensive adjustable LUX and backlight control cameras and satellite transmitters to stationary recorders with edited feeds :) The benefit will be the ability to have bulletproof solid-state recording at Broadcast quality, over multiple seasons without spending more than a set of tires :D
-James
ChaseCam.com
| Hyper | 02-15-2007 02:16 AM |
Need camera recomendation for open class rally car
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now we've been told that most of the usual cameras out there aren't capable to stay alive after some "stress time" of bumpy rally events:p
we are looking for something affordable now with good lense, already got this mount [IMG]http://rivergate5speed.com/images/vs_camera_mount_rear.jpg[/IMG] and it's indeed a beefy piece!
I've went through the What cam/mount are you using thread, but there isn't much there on rally
budget? hard to say.... 300?
need to be mini DV, with wide lense
however if there is something which is extraordinary better, yet is 5-600 we will consider that also (will take some time saving up and eating only noodles again:lol: )
we are looking for something affordable now with good lense, already got this mount [IMG]http://rivergate5speed.com/images/vs_camera_mount_rear.jpg[/IMG] and it's indeed a beefy piece!
I've went through the What cam/mount are you using thread, but there isn't much there on rally
budget? hard to say.... 300?
need to be mini DV, with wide lense
however if there is something which is extraordinary better, yet is 5-600 we will consider that also (will take some time saving up and eating only noodles again:lol: )
| Scooby South | 02-15-2007 08:17 AM |
[URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=984152"]this Thread might be of interest to you...[/URL]
| giveme5bux | 02-15-2007 08:56 AM |
wait did you stop by rallispec last friday?
| chimchimm5 | 03-02-2007 08:49 PM |
[quote=chimchimm5;15662263]I found this one that mounts on the headrest. Great for me because I have no roll cage in the car.
[URL]http://www.cruisecam.com/mounts.html[/URL]
[IMG]http://www.cruisecam.com/mer_mount.jpg[/IMG]
$45
I just ordered it yesterday. I'll let you know how it works when it comes.
Since my 06 WRX doesn't have headrest poles, I was planning to mount it to a rear seat headrest. I'll be using my old miniDV camcorder with it.[/quote]
I finally went to a track day with this set up and the video is quite jittery. But it's really nice that the view is a perfect middle of car view out the window, so it does it's job for my own review. Sample:
[URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2632233574924352867&hl=en[/URL]
The biggest problem (as stated by someone else) is that the headrest posts are not stable enough. Subaru cheaped out and only one post actually clicks in place, the other is just a guide. I ended up just pushing the headrest as low as possible so the mount presses against the top of the rear seat so the seat acts as a damper.
There's pros and cons... the jittery video demonstrates the vibrations felt in the car and helps provide a sense of speed; while being annoying.
[URL]http://www.cruisecam.com/mounts.html[/URL]
[IMG]http://www.cruisecam.com/mer_mount.jpg[/IMG]
$45
I just ordered it yesterday. I'll let you know how it works when it comes.
Since my 06 WRX doesn't have headrest poles, I was planning to mount it to a rear seat headrest. I'll be using my old miniDV camcorder with it.[/quote]
I finally went to a track day with this set up and the video is quite jittery. But it's really nice that the view is a perfect middle of car view out the window, so it does it's job for my own review. Sample:
[URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2632233574924352867&hl=en[/URL]
The biggest problem (as stated by someone else) is that the headrest posts are not stable enough. Subaru cheaped out and only one post actually clicks in place, the other is just a guide. I ended up just pushing the headrest as low as possible so the mount presses against the top of the rear seat so the seat acts as a damper.
There's pros and cons... the jittery video demonstrates the vibrations felt in the car and helps provide a sense of speed; while being annoying.
| sachilles | 03-03-2007 03:47 PM |
How heavy of a camera?
I made a similar mount, and I have the cheapie aiptek camera and quite stiff suspension, and I haven't experience a jittery image.....I do know things are shaking because I can hear the damn record button rattling on the camera:lol:
Its a very light little cam, so I don't think it jitters much.
I made a similar mount, and I have the cheapie aiptek camera and quite stiff suspension, and I haven't experience a jittery image.....I do know things are shaking because I can hear the damn record button rattling on the camera:lol:
Its a very light little cam, so I don't think it jitters much.
| JamesWilson | 03-03-2007 07:19 PM |
New video from this week's round of testing the G-Force overlay--
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV99BA4TovQ[/url]
-James W.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV99BA4TovQ[/url]
-James W.
| Patrick Olsen | 03-03-2007 07:43 PM |
[QUOTE=chimchimm5;17240897]I finally went to a track day with this set up and the video is quite jittery. But it's really nice that the view is a perfect middle of car view out the window, so it does it's job for my own review. Sample:
[URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2632233574924352867&hl=en[/URL]
The biggest problem (as stated by someone else) is that the headrest posts are not stable enough. Subaru cheaped out and only one post actually clicks in place, the other is just a guide. I ended up just pushing the headrest as low as possible so the mount presses against the top of the rear seat so the seat acts as a damper.[/QUOTE]
I've never been a fan of the headrest mounts for exactly those reasons, and because I think having the camera mounted a bit farther back gives you a better perspective (allowing you to see what the driver is doing). Fliz mentioned the same thing in [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16991086&postcount=77"][U]his earlier post in this thread[/U][/URL] when he talked about making his mount that bolts to the rear deck.
I built my camera mount almost 7 years now (first used it at VIR in March 2000) and it works great. Probably $20 worth of Home Depot angle aluminum and PVC and I was good to go. It's survived a roll-over, during which the camera never missed a beat, and a few dozen additional track days. Some people have found that their cameras don't survive the vibration, but after 7 years of use my Digital8 still works perfectly. The mount bolts to metal in the rear deck and uses the seat cushion mounting bolt holes, so it's metal-to-metal everywhere.
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount3.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount5.jpg[/url]
It certainly isn't as elegant and simple as Fliz' mount :), but I'm too lazy to create anything else unless this one lets me down somehow. The extra foot or so back that the camera sits (compared to a headrest mount) means I can see the shifter and my hands on the wheel, which is nice.
[quote=Patrick Olsen]Not directly related to MaxSTI's question, but I bought one of these Oregon Scientific ATC2000 cameras around Christmas time - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/sho...cid=14&pid=709[/url] . They were on back-order for just under $100, so I don't actually have it in hand yet. Looks like these guys have it even cheaper, but show 0 in stock. I'm curious to see how well it works out, should be fun to play with at least.[/quote]
I got the camera a couple/few weeks ago, but haven't tested it out yet. Feedback from another site is that it's decent, but isn't gonna knock anyone's socks off - about what I would expect considering how inexpensive it is. It turns out you can only use a 1GB SD card - a couple guys tried using 2GB cards, and it would write to them, but once you got beyond 1GB worth of video footage it wouldn't playback properly. The one thing I haven't figured out yet is how I'm going to mount it to anything. It comes with velcro and rubber straps that one can use to mount it to a helmet, and a clamp you can use to mount it to handlebars on a bike, but there's no standard 1/4"-20 attachment to use a normal camera mount (like the IOPort one or the Chase Cam suction cup mounts). Quite the bummer. :( I'll figure something out, though.
Pat
[URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2632233574924352867&hl=en[/URL]
The biggest problem (as stated by someone else) is that the headrest posts are not stable enough. Subaru cheaped out and only one post actually clicks in place, the other is just a guide. I ended up just pushing the headrest as low as possible so the mount presses against the top of the rear seat so the seat acts as a damper.[/QUOTE]
I've never been a fan of the headrest mounts for exactly those reasons, and because I think having the camera mounted a bit farther back gives you a better perspective (allowing you to see what the driver is doing). Fliz mentioned the same thing in [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16991086&postcount=77"][U]his earlier post in this thread[/U][/URL] when he talked about making his mount that bolts to the rear deck.
I built my camera mount almost 7 years now (first used it at VIR in March 2000) and it works great. Probably $20 worth of Home Depot angle aluminum and PVC and I was good to go. It's survived a roll-over, during which the camera never missed a beat, and a few dozen additional track days. Some people have found that their cameras don't survive the vibration, but after 7 years of use my Digital8 still works perfectly. The mount bolts to metal in the rear deck and uses the seat cushion mounting bolt holes, so it's metal-to-metal everywhere.
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount3.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/cameramount5.jpg[/url]
It certainly isn't as elegant and simple as Fliz' mount :), but I'm too lazy to create anything else unless this one lets me down somehow. The extra foot or so back that the camera sits (compared to a headrest mount) means I can see the shifter and my hands on the wheel, which is nice.
[quote=Patrick Olsen]Not directly related to MaxSTI's question, but I bought one of these Oregon Scientific ATC2000 cameras around Christmas time - [url]http://www2.oregonscientific.com/sho...cid=14&pid=709[/url] . They were on back-order for just under $100, so I don't actually have it in hand yet. Looks like these guys have it even cheaper, but show 0 in stock. I'm curious to see how well it works out, should be fun to play with at least.[/quote]
I got the camera a couple/few weeks ago, but haven't tested it out yet. Feedback from another site is that it's decent, but isn't gonna knock anyone's socks off - about what I would expect considering how inexpensive it is. It turns out you can only use a 1GB SD card - a couple guys tried using 2GB cards, and it would write to them, but once you got beyond 1GB worth of video footage it wouldn't playback properly. The one thing I haven't figured out yet is how I'm going to mount it to anything. It comes with velcro and rubber straps that one can use to mount it to a helmet, and a clamp you can use to mount it to handlebars on a bike, but there's no standard 1/4"-20 attachment to use a normal camera mount (like the IOPort one or the Chase Cam suction cup mounts). Quite the bummer. :( I'll figure something out, though.
Pat
| raamaudio | 05-10-2007 11:51 PM |
Need in car camera to record track sessions
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Budget is not as critical as just getting a really decent camera that is easy to use, reliable and has very good performance. There is always one, sometimes more than one that are a cut above with great quality for the price and will do the job more than good enough, that is what I am really looking for.
Most likely there are discontinued models, used ones, etc that will suffice but if the latest gen just blows away the recent discontinued models, etc, that is probably the best way to go.
Let me know what you have to recommend:):)
Thanks,
Rick
Most likely there are discontinued models, used ones, etc that will suffice but if the latest gen just blows away the recent discontinued models, etc, that is probably the best way to go.
Let me know what you have to recommend:):)
Thanks,
Rick
| nhluhr | 05-11-2007 02:57 AM |
The absolute best setup you will find is the Chasecam line.
You will need:
1a) a video camera that will record from an auxilliary in
or
1b) chasecam's own PDR100 solid state recorder unit (records to CF cards, costs about the same as a miniDV cam and is better suited to the task)
2) Chasecam BulletCam - choose 520lines or 380lines resolution (there is a price difference)
3) a mount for the cam - the Chasecam Ultimate Mount is extremely versatile and will hold the bullet or any other camera with a normal tripod screw. you can use the Ultimate to mount the bullet on the outside of the car as well.
If you decide to go with a miniDV cam and actually want to NOT use a bullet with it but just record through the miniDV's lens, you will find that vibration is a big issue. Optical stabilization is NOT the best for the car environment because it can't cope with the high frequency vibrations. You want Digital stabilization instead. You will also need a wide-angle lens adapter for your miniDV or else it'll literally look like you're driving through a telescope and the video will be ultra boring. Been there, done that.
I have used Canon miniDV in the past and the quality is excellent but the Optical stabilization that my Canon Optura 50 can't quite keep up with rough roads and the video gets jittery on bumps.
You will need:
1a) a video camera that will record from an auxilliary in
or
1b) chasecam's own PDR100 solid state recorder unit (records to CF cards, costs about the same as a miniDV cam and is better suited to the task)
2) Chasecam BulletCam - choose 520lines or 380lines resolution (there is a price difference)
3) a mount for the cam - the Chasecam Ultimate Mount is extremely versatile and will hold the bullet or any other camera with a normal tripod screw. you can use the Ultimate to mount the bullet on the outside of the car as well.
If you decide to go with a miniDV cam and actually want to NOT use a bullet with it but just record through the miniDV's lens, you will find that vibration is a big issue. Optical stabilization is NOT the best for the car environment because it can't cope with the high frequency vibrations. You want Digital stabilization instead. You will also need a wide-angle lens adapter for your miniDV or else it'll literally look like you're driving through a telescope and the video will be ultra boring. Been there, done that.
I have used Canon miniDV in the past and the quality is excellent but the Optical stabilization that my Canon Optura 50 can't quite keep up with rough roads and the video gets jittery on bumps.
| sleepy98 | 05-11-2007 03:21 AM |
I dunno what type of camera you need. Probably the best you can afford. that way you can clearly see and not guess.
| mav1c | 05-11-2007 07:34 AM |
As nluhr mentioned, the Chasecam setup is the poop, but it's pricy. If you're looking for just a simple camera mount and camera setup, I'd recommend Canon. My little Canon Elura has withstood in-car use for years. The key is to get a camera with digital image stabalization, not optical. The optical is better for hand held use, but it can't keep up with the vibrations in a car. Also, don't get a DVD or hard-drive camera. Again, they don't like the vibrations in a car and cause problems while recording. Stick with MiniDV. I just recently got a Canon Elura 70 off eBay for $170 and it works great.
| skuttledude | 05-11-2007 09:08 AM |
I also use Chasecam cameras and mounts with a Canon "recorder". All works great. Super nice guy and is a fellow AutoX.
| Scooby South | 05-11-2007 10:29 AM |
merged...:)
| shikataganai | 05-13-2007 02:30 AM |
this is a very interesting issue. here's my take on things, coming from someone who shoots L primes on a 20D, if that gives some perspective:
[B]option A: chasecam pdr100 + 520 line bullet cam[/B]
pros: MPEG2 video, solid state, compact, designed for the application, ability to mount on helmet/window/harness bar/outside of car with suction mounts.
cons: somewhat limited video quality, analog video which is then converted to digital, expensive, limited utility outside of motorsports, unclear controls for exposure/white balance/other basic photographic/videographic features, somewhat closed market/proprietary technology -- everyone and their mom seems to be peddling a bullet cam, and i have a suspicion that margins are huge
[B]option B: MiniDV/solid state cam, recording through its own lens, (NOT one of the MPEG4 chinese knockoffs, a real DV cam) with digital stabilization[/B]
pros: relatively inexpensive, can offer the proper field of view with a wide angle lens, established technology with good competition between vendors, no additional A-D conversions, consumer-grade (that's good in this case!) controls for exposure/WB/etc.
cons: vibration and mounting more difficult (must use a harness bar mount, chasecam mount, or rig something up oneself), physical bulk of camera, out-of-car mounting substantially sketchier albeit possible, possible image degradation from low quality wide angle lenses
[B]option C: regular/non-MPEG4 camcorder with a bullet camera as input[/B]
pros: ability to mount camera anywhere, can be cheaper than option A
cons: somewhat limited video quality (especially if one doesn't spring for a 520 line version), more hassle in setup as compared to a purely chasecam setup, basically wasting the sensor and lens on the recording camcorder, same complaint as in A with regard to closed market/lack of competition
[B]option D: any of the sundry MPEG4 offerings[/B]
pros: very cheap, light/easy to mount, potentially less issues with vibration due to lack of weight, and did i mention cheap?
cons: poor video quality, rudimentary controls with regard to imaging settings, possibly poor construction
currently i don't run a camera. although the chasecam offerings are compelling and appear well suited for motorsports applications, i think the prudent choice is option B for reasons of cost, ease of use, and general versatility.
[B]option A: chasecam pdr100 + 520 line bullet cam[/B]
pros: MPEG2 video, solid state, compact, designed for the application, ability to mount on helmet/window/harness bar/outside of car with suction mounts.
cons: somewhat limited video quality, analog video which is then converted to digital, expensive, limited utility outside of motorsports, unclear controls for exposure/white balance/other basic photographic/videographic features, somewhat closed market/proprietary technology -- everyone and their mom seems to be peddling a bullet cam, and i have a suspicion that margins are huge
[B]option B: MiniDV/solid state cam, recording through its own lens, (NOT one of the MPEG4 chinese knockoffs, a real DV cam) with digital stabilization[/B]
pros: relatively inexpensive, can offer the proper field of view with a wide angle lens, established technology with good competition between vendors, no additional A-D conversions, consumer-grade (that's good in this case!) controls for exposure/WB/etc.
cons: vibration and mounting more difficult (must use a harness bar mount, chasecam mount, or rig something up oneself), physical bulk of camera, out-of-car mounting substantially sketchier albeit possible, possible image degradation from low quality wide angle lenses
[B]option C: regular/non-MPEG4 camcorder with a bullet camera as input[/B]
pros: ability to mount camera anywhere, can be cheaper than option A
cons: somewhat limited video quality (especially if one doesn't spring for a 520 line version), more hassle in setup as compared to a purely chasecam setup, basically wasting the sensor and lens on the recording camcorder, same complaint as in A with regard to closed market/lack of competition
[B]option D: any of the sundry MPEG4 offerings[/B]
pros: very cheap, light/easy to mount, potentially less issues with vibration due to lack of weight, and did i mention cheap?
cons: poor video quality, rudimentary controls with regard to imaging settings, possibly poor construction
currently i don't run a camera. although the chasecam offerings are compelling and appear well suited for motorsports applications, i think the prudent choice is option B for reasons of cost, ease of use, and general versatility.
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-13-2007 06:26 PM |
care to list a few decent cameras that would be sutiable for option b :)
| BlueSTI4Me | 05-13-2007 07:30 PM |
My concern with option "B", durability of the DV camera. I've had one with a bullet cam for going on 3 seasons. Near the end of season 2 the DV camera started showing signs of vibration damage (mounted to harness bar). Camera will record from Aux port OK, but automatically zooms in playback or camera only operation.
Looking this year to try option A, dedicated system for track and autocross.
Looking this year to try option A, dedicated system for track and autocross.
| JamesWilson | 05-13-2007 08:40 PM |
[quote=shikataganai;18054240]this is a very interesting issue. here's my take on things, coming from someone who shoots L primes on a 20D, if that gives some perspective:
[B]option A: chasecam pdr100 + 520 line bullet cam[/B]
pros: MPEG2 video, solid state, compact, designed for the application, ability to mount on helmet/window/harness bar/outside of car with suction mounts.
cons: somewhat limited video quality, analog video which is then converted to digital, expensive, limited utility outside of motorsports, unclear controls for exposure/white balance/other basic photographic/videographic features, somewhat closed market/proprietary technology -- everyone and their mom seems to be peddling a bullet cam, and i have a suspicion that margins are huge
currently i don't run a camera. although the chasecam offerings are compelling and appear well suited for motorsports applications, i think the prudent choice is option B for reasons of cost, ease of use, and general versatility.[/quote]
Hey, that's me! :)
It is true that there is some limitations currently to using a single CCD camera with analog-to-digital conversion. I would love to offer an HD bullet camera and spend the $$ to design the processor, but with true HD bullet cameras hovering at $15K right now, it makes it even more expensive. 95% of the analog-output CCD cameras on the "market" today are indeed cheap-o low LUX security cameras, pure and simple, with a chain of adapters and external power supplies. We aimed to provide a bullet camera based off of industry-solid CCD technology (small packaging, durable/weatherproof, etc.) but alter the specifications to allow for better image capture through improved LUX sec, white balance and control, and total image quality. We are also (May 2007) converting to fully jacketed and shielded cables to match the durability and signal transfer of our miniDIN connectors (power+video+shield in one weathertight connector), to prevent interference and quality loss when going through a ton of adapters and RCA/BNC plugs like most of the security cameras sold. True-- there is a ton of margin in security cameras. Fortunately, we provide a motorsports-specific camera that loads more value with its features designed for our uses, not some eBay piece of crap better suited for capturing a convenience store robbery (poorly) than a professional motor race.
With higher levels of motorsports demanding simple and durable high-quality MPEG-2 solid state video, we are working with the likes of MoTec, Race Technologies, AIM, Traqmate, and others to develop direct interface between our products, under the recognition that from Club Racing to our professional Formula One, FIA, Dakar, and IMSA clientele if the best data acquisition and video are to be merged, then the ChaseCam systems are the only way to go. The benefit to the "regular guy" autocrosser or Club racer is that this technology trickles down, and current (and future!!) offerings only get better and better. What [email�protected] MPEG-4 recorder company offers regular [I]free [/I]Firmware Updates based on R&D and input from both amateur and professional teams? None come to mind. This also adds value to the products we design and manufacture, as we grow and develop new features, they become available to the current user as well. In an effort to maintain this charge, it is wholly necessary to maintain proprietary technology in an effort to protect the work that we do. These products don't come free........any margin that we see (and honestly, if any) is quickly devoured with new engineering projects and improvements. I wish they were cheaper, but with cost-to-build at or above the current US Retail price, it's not fair to continue to give everything away :) I truly do believe that all of our clients are happy with what we provide in the end, and it really makes us work harder to build better and better products in an effort to meet the evolving market.
Either way, I hope you find a good system that is usable for your application, and I would like to think that ChaseCam systems can provide that, and at an exceptional value for the technology and support that we provide.
I'll be at the Houston NT next weekend if anyone wants to borrow/check out the system in person, including the new internal G-Force Module (I can also install them in older/current units as well, in the field). I don't intend to sell anything, we can't keep up with current interest as it is, but I am always willing to provide good information.
[B]option A: chasecam pdr100 + 520 line bullet cam[/B]
pros: MPEG2 video, solid state, compact, designed for the application, ability to mount on helmet/window/harness bar/outside of car with suction mounts.
cons: somewhat limited video quality, analog video which is then converted to digital, expensive, limited utility outside of motorsports, unclear controls for exposure/white balance/other basic photographic/videographic features, somewhat closed market/proprietary technology -- everyone and their mom seems to be peddling a bullet cam, and i have a suspicion that margins are huge
currently i don't run a camera. although the chasecam offerings are compelling and appear well suited for motorsports applications, i think the prudent choice is option B for reasons of cost, ease of use, and general versatility.[/quote]
Hey, that's me! :)
It is true that there is some limitations currently to using a single CCD camera with analog-to-digital conversion. I would love to offer an HD bullet camera and spend the $$ to design the processor, but with true HD bullet cameras hovering at $15K right now, it makes it even more expensive. 95% of the analog-output CCD cameras on the "market" today are indeed cheap-o low LUX security cameras, pure and simple, with a chain of adapters and external power supplies. We aimed to provide a bullet camera based off of industry-solid CCD technology (small packaging, durable/weatherproof, etc.) but alter the specifications to allow for better image capture through improved LUX sec, white balance and control, and total image quality. We are also (May 2007) converting to fully jacketed and shielded cables to match the durability and signal transfer of our miniDIN connectors (power+video+shield in one weathertight connector), to prevent interference and quality loss when going through a ton of adapters and RCA/BNC plugs like most of the security cameras sold. True-- there is a ton of margin in security cameras. Fortunately, we provide a motorsports-specific camera that loads more value with its features designed for our uses, not some eBay piece of crap better suited for capturing a convenience store robbery (poorly) than a professional motor race.
With higher levels of motorsports demanding simple and durable high-quality MPEG-2 solid state video, we are working with the likes of MoTec, Race Technologies, AIM, Traqmate, and others to develop direct interface between our products, under the recognition that from Club Racing to our professional Formula One, FIA, Dakar, and IMSA clientele if the best data acquisition and video are to be merged, then the ChaseCam systems are the only way to go. The benefit to the "regular guy" autocrosser or Club racer is that this technology trickles down, and current (and future!!) offerings only get better and better. What [email�protected] MPEG-4 recorder company offers regular [I]free [/I]Firmware Updates based on R&D and input from both amateur and professional teams? None come to mind. This also adds value to the products we design and manufacture, as we grow and develop new features, they become available to the current user as well. In an effort to maintain this charge, it is wholly necessary to maintain proprietary technology in an effort to protect the work that we do. These products don't come free........any margin that we see (and honestly, if any) is quickly devoured with new engineering projects and improvements. I wish they were cheaper, but with cost-to-build at or above the current US Retail price, it's not fair to continue to give everything away :) I truly do believe that all of our clients are happy with what we provide in the end, and it really makes us work harder to build better and better products in an effort to meet the evolving market.
Either way, I hope you find a good system that is usable for your application, and I would like to think that ChaseCam systems can provide that, and at an exceptional value for the technology and support that we provide.
I'll be at the Houston NT next weekend if anyone wants to borrow/check out the system in person, including the new internal G-Force Module (I can also install them in older/current units as well, in the field). I don't intend to sell anything, we can't keep up with current interest as it is, but I am always willing to provide good information.
| Mind | 05-13-2007 09:44 PM |
This thread is just in time. I'm glad I saw this... I literally was about to pull the trigger on a Panasonic PV-GS85 MiniDV because they utilized the optical stabilization, and I read that optical stab was superior to electronic stab... but apparently not for motorsports. The camera that is now the frontrunner for me is the Canon ZR850... since I'll be mounting to the rear headrests, I really like the remote.
My issue is that I'll primarily be using these to record in-cars for AutoX, and I'm not sure if I could get by with something cheaper. I was thinking that I might as well have a pretty well-rounded functional camera if I bothered to get one at all, but now I'm concerned that the vibration environment could damage the camcorder in a relatively short amount of time...
BTW - CircuitCity has been running an internet sale on camcorders.
My issue is that I'll primarily be using these to record in-cars for AutoX, and I'm not sure if I could get by with something cheaper. I was thinking that I might as well have a pretty well-rounded functional camera if I bothered to get one at all, but now I'm concerned that the vibration environment could damage the camcorder in a relatively short amount of time...
BTW - CircuitCity has been running an internet sale on camcorders.
| shikataganai | 05-13-2007 10:03 PM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX;18058406]care to list a few decent cameras that would be sutiable for option b :)[/QUOTE]
[url]www.camcorderinfo.com[/url] seems to be the place to go. once you have an idea of what you're looking for then you can turn to ebay, circuit city (thanks, Mind), b&h, adorama for availability and pricing.
[url]www.camcorderinfo.com[/url] seems to be the place to go. once you have an idea of what you're looking for then you can turn to ebay, circuit city (thanks, Mind), b&h, adorama for availability and pricing.
| austinpike | 05-20-2007 11:29 PM |
Just thought I would post up this sample from my Sony HDR-HC3 (eBay score)
Quicktime only for now, sorry...
original was 1080i, I cut the resolution in half and compressed it some but it is still 130MB.
right-click-> save as.
[url]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/mowog1-run5-mpeg4.mov[/url]
ghetto tripod setup, seems to work well enough.
[IMG]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/tripod1.JPG[/IMG]
Quicktime only for now, sorry...
original was 1080i, I cut the resolution in half and compressed it some but it is still 130MB.
right-click-> save as.
[url]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/mowog1-run5-mpeg4.mov[/url]
ghetto tripod setup, seems to work well enough.
[IMG]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/tripod1.JPG[/IMG]
| Boxologist | 05-21-2007 06:24 PM |
[url]http://cinekinetic.com/new/[/url]
i want to use my sony vx2000. throw it on the back of the 7. this should KO all the vibration. i was hoping to use something off the roll bar, but the camcorder is in excess of 4 lbs, and quite long. many of the common mounting solution would fail to really keep it solid.
I was considering a bullet camera; a firend wants to help me fab up a mini cam setup from his old security spares; and costco has a smaller Canon 830 on sale this week.
I think the bag will be the better setup. going to a full bullet cam would be nice, but i am getting annoyed that my camera sits idle.
i want to use my sony vx2000. throw it on the back of the 7. this should KO all the vibration. i was hoping to use something off the roll bar, but the camcorder is in excess of 4 lbs, and quite long. many of the common mounting solution would fail to really keep it solid.
I was considering a bullet camera; a firend wants to help me fab up a mini cam setup from his old security spares; and costco has a smaller Canon 830 on sale this week.
I think the bag will be the better setup. going to a full bullet cam would be nice, but i am getting annoyed that my camera sits idle.
| wrx wolf | 05-28-2007 11:17 PM |
[quote=austinpike;18137642]Just thought I would post up this sample from my Sony HDR-HC3 (eBay score)
Quicktime only for now, sorry...
original was 1080i, I cut the resolution in half and compressed it some but it is still 130MB.
right-click-> save as.
[URL]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/mowog1-run5-mpeg4.mov[/URL]
ghetto tripod setup, seems to work well enough.
[IMG]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/tripod1.JPG[/IMG][/quote]
You just officially made my day. I'm going to test this config out tomorrow! Thanks for the KISS idea. Is that just a piece of foam on the back seat with the tennis ball slotted into it?
Quicktime only for now, sorry...
original was 1080i, I cut the resolution in half and compressed it some but it is still 130MB.
right-click-> save as.
[URL]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/mowog1-run5-mpeg4.mov[/URL]
ghetto tripod setup, seems to work well enough.
[IMG]http://www.ionthruster.com/sti/autox/2007/tripod1.JPG[/IMG][/quote]
You just officially made my day. I'm going to test this config out tomorrow! Thanks for the KISS idea. Is that just a piece of foam on the back seat with the tennis ball slotted into it?
| Patrick Olsen | 05-29-2007 01:27 AM |
That sort of setup probably won't fly at the track or at an auto-x. I guess it depends on how strict the tech guys are, but pretty much all the organizations I've run with want a bolted in mount with metal-to-metal security.
Pat
Pat
| austinpike | 06-02-2007 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;18218802]That sort of setup probably won't fly at the track or at an auto-x.Pat[/QUOTE] I have autocrossed it numerous times (see clip in same post.) I got the idea from another guy at an autox. With those tie down staps it isn't going anywhere and there is less camera motion that I have seen on some "hard mount" setups. The rear strap goes to the child latches, and the front kind of hooks around the seat mounting brackets.
Our tech guys are fine with it, but yeah, I can see where some clubs may not approve. I'm not sure I would track with it, the stakes are a lot higher.
[QUOTE=wrx wolf;18217755]Is that just a piece of foam on the back seat with the tennis ball slotted into it?[/QUOTE] The foam itself isn't slotted, just being compressed. You want to get those straps down tight. I just cut the tennis balls to hold the tripod feet, then a thick chunk of foam and one of those big plastic furniture sliders under that to distribute the weight a little more evenly. So it doesn't leave a permanent divot in the rear seat.
Our tech guys are fine with it, but yeah, I can see where some clubs may not approve. I'm not sure I would track with it, the stakes are a lot higher.
[QUOTE=wrx wolf;18217755]Is that just a piece of foam on the back seat with the tennis ball slotted into it?[/QUOTE] The foam itself isn't slotted, just being compressed. You want to get those straps down tight. I just cut the tennis balls to hold the tripod feet, then a thick chunk of foam and one of those big plastic furniture sliders under that to distribute the weight a little more evenly. So it doesn't leave a permanent divot in the rear seat.
| MaxSTi05 | 06-03-2007 02:20 AM |
See my svtek mount on this thread. Solid, light, no problems!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1273922[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1273922[/url]
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