| Clegg | 12-17-2004 11:27 PM |
Does no one watch WRC on SpeedTV anymore?
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I emailed speedtv last week asking for some reasoning behind ditching the WRC rally-a-thon on new years day and the time slot of 3:30am for the rebroadcast of them.
I recieved this reply
[quote]The New Year's Day Rally Marathon has been a consistent ratings loser,
drawing smaller audiences every year, so we felt the time had come for a
change. Last year's low ratings continued through the regular season.
Although each race ran at a consistent time slot (9:30pm Eastern the day the
rally ended), viewership has steadily declined. The audiences for the last
six rallies combined were less than our last Formula One race.
[/quote]
thats just plain sad... :(
I recieved this reply
[quote]The New Year's Day Rally Marathon has been a consistent ratings loser,
drawing smaller audiences every year, so we felt the time had come for a
change. Last year's low ratings continued through the regular season.
Although each race ran at a consistent time slot (9:30pm Eastern the day the
rally ended), viewership has steadily declined. The audiences for the last
six rallies combined were less than our last Formula One race.
[/quote]
thats just plain sad... :(
| silver04rs | 12-17-2004 11:30 PM |
i still and always will make time to watch a rally
| speedyHAM | 12-17-2004 11:34 PM |
I watched every one the first time they airred. It's unfortunate that more people aren't interested.
| ExitVisa | 12-17-2004 11:37 PM |
What do they expect when all they show is a few minutes of highlights after the rally is over?
| Clegg | 12-17-2004 11:39 PM |
few minutes? its 1.5 hours! with a 30 min rally mag. if I were you I would FEAR what the season next year will be if its WRC at all!!! if the ratings were that piss poor they may just not waste their time on it for next year.
| MattDell | 12-17-2004 11:57 PM |
Hmm.. maybe I should stop getting together with other people to watch WRC. Or maybe I should just leave my TV tuned to speed when there's a rally on.
-Matt
-Matt
| WRC_Scooby | 12-18-2004 12:02 AM |
I used to watch rally on speedTV all the time. Now whenever you flip to it all you get is Nascar. God I can't stand Nascar. Untalented ******
| artkevin | 12-18-2004 05:16 AM |
I still do, every time.
Kevin
Kevin
| jigga | 12-18-2004 09:47 AM |
i think their crappy viewership might have something to do with nascar being on 99% of the time. I know they say that they have had the show on at a constant time slot and what not, but when one flicks onto speed, and most of the time finds something they are completely uninterested in watching, they tend to switch elsewhere, and forget to switch back again when the show is on... At least that is the case with me anyway...
| Clegg | 12-18-2004 10:53 AM |
jigga I think thats exactly right. when all you show is Nascar **** over and over you drown out the other items and chase away the viewers of it.
| Bonzo | 12-18-2004 11:22 AM |
Umm, have'nt we covered this like 100 times already. :confused: :rolleyes:
| mike270 | 12-18-2004 11:32 AM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]i still and always will make time to watch a rally[/QUOTE]
+1 :)
+1 :)
| Skyline | 12-18-2004 11:37 AM |
1) They only show coverage after the rally. Folks aren't always available at their chosen time slot. They should show repeats like they show their other stuff over and over and...
2) Can we have the original voice back please. Yes, English dude from several years ago. He was so much better.
2) Can we have the original voice back please. Yes, English dude from several years ago. He was so much better.
| KevinHeist | 12-18-2004 11:37 AM |
what's television?
| akuhner | 12-18-2004 12:58 PM |
Do they know the difference between a viewer watching it live and someone who records it to watch later? If they don't see viewers who record for later viewing then of course the ratings will go down - the commercials get so repetitive that it's difficult to watch live if you know you can watch it the next day and fast forward!
| Rapid_Roo | 12-18-2004 01:29 PM |
+2 :)
| Clegg | 12-18-2004 01:36 PM |
Well when they show the schedule for the last week in January we will know if we are getting any WRC coverage for 2005 or back to the 30 min quickie a few weeks after the rally action that we had a few years ago.
| Clegg | 12-18-2004 01:37 PM |
Wow just saw they arent even doing a Year in Review for the WRC series!!!
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/338/[/url]
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/338/[/url]
| BlackAndBlue | 12-18-2004 07:33 PM |
Is speed not showing the Dakar Rally either??
| Osgood30 | 12-18-2004 07:42 PM |
I must say that Speed's coverage sucks. You can say all you want that WRC provides the feed, but I have seen 6 rallies this year from British ITV's coverage and what a difference. Plus out of 2 hours there is about 40 minutes of same god damn commercials.
I used to watch it, but I don't watch it anymore... oh wait I don't have time to watch any TV... but still
I used to watch it, but I don't watch it anymore... oh wait I don't have time to watch any TV... but still
| Bonzo | 12-18-2004 07:44 PM |
starting the 22nd Speed will be airing pretty much a rally a day thru Jan 13th.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/index.php?timezone=0&d=&ts=&week=&wholeMonth=&usecal=no[/url]
Concerning Dakar (which is one of two races I watch every minute, other is the TdF) I searched and found nothing :( I also searched OLN to no avail.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/index.php?timezone=0&d=&ts=&week=&wholeMonth=&usecal=no[/url]
Concerning Dakar (which is one of two races I watch every minute, other is the TdF) I searched and found nothing :( I also searched OLN to no avail.
| Osgood30 | 12-18-2004 07:48 PM |
oh yeah, I got to add, that Dakar coverage was awesome. And why you ask? Well because they have comentator that has british accent. And in motorsports commentating thats 90%!!
| Bonzo | 12-18-2004 07:52 PM |
It says OLN will be covering it in US and Canada.
[url]http://www.dakar.com/2005/presentationus/r1_medias_01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.dakar.com/2005/presentationus/r1_medias_01.html[/url]
| gtguy | 12-18-2004 08:15 PM |
Anybody who doesn't watch WRC on Speed shouldn't say ANYTHING about the coverage, or quality thereof. If you want to see something, you have to support it. And blaming it on NASCAR is a ridiculous copout. There are these things called Web sites, at which you can find out exactly when something that you want to see is on, and tune in at that time.
Yes, Speed shows a lot of NASCAR programming. It pays the bills. But they also show a lot of other stuff. But it sounds, from the response Clegg received, like we might not be getting much WRC any longer. Then people will complain about that, and blame NASCAR, rather than the fact that nobody watched. I remember those half-hour shows, just as I remember the 4-hour glory days, then the two-hour wrapups, that have become 90-minute shows.
I have the entire season on DVD, having watched and recorded them religiously, but that's been the case since ESPN2 was showing some WRC coverage. Who remembers the time when all we had were the year-end summaries from Duke Video? Yikes. ITV in the UK might have better coverage, but they also have the viewership. To say that the coverage sucks, so I don't watch it, insures that we get what we deserve, which is, eventually, nothing.
Some say why support a bad show? Well, they have a point. But it depends on whether we want to see anything at all. If people watch a bad show, while offering constructive criticism of said show, then it improves. Speed's F1 coverage, for example, is excellent. It wasn't always thus.
Kevin
Yes, Speed shows a lot of NASCAR programming. It pays the bills. But they also show a lot of other stuff. But it sounds, from the response Clegg received, like we might not be getting much WRC any longer. Then people will complain about that, and blame NASCAR, rather than the fact that nobody watched. I remember those half-hour shows, just as I remember the 4-hour glory days, then the two-hour wrapups, that have become 90-minute shows.
I have the entire season on DVD, having watched and recorded them religiously, but that's been the case since ESPN2 was showing some WRC coverage. Who remembers the time when all we had were the year-end summaries from Duke Video? Yikes. ITV in the UK might have better coverage, but they also have the viewership. To say that the coverage sucks, so I don't watch it, insures that we get what we deserve, which is, eventually, nothing.
Some say why support a bad show? Well, they have a point. But it depends on whether we want to see anything at all. If people watch a bad show, while offering constructive criticism of said show, then it improves. Speed's F1 coverage, for example, is excellent. It wasn't always thus.
Kevin
| WRXMaster | 12-18-2004 08:40 PM |
Just to point out ............... Even if you guys watch it --- They will never know if your watching it unless you have the nelson box. Really crappy system to judge tv viewership.
| subimatt | 12-19-2004 02:34 AM |
id consider paying for speed channel if they played more rally and less nascar... the ratio is just not worth the money when you can watch the rally later for free on the PC...
| bemani | 12-19-2004 04:00 AM |
Even though I still watch every round of WRC on Speed, I have to say rally coverage in general is pretty boring. I can see why people don't want to watch cars drive by over and over again. Well, I think rally is pretty boring to watch whether you watch it on tv or live. The only exciting way to cover it is with in-car cameras or helicopters, and they don't use enough of those.
You might disagree with me, but there are probably quite a few people that agree, hence the decline in viewership.
You might disagree with me, but there are probably quite a few people that agree, hence the decline in viewership.
| Kitsune | 12-19-2004 10:17 AM |
If you have cable, you are paying for Speed Channel.
| artkevin | 12-19-2004 11:13 AM |
The programs are bad?
For the amount of time they have to make one (less then 3 days) I think that the coverage is awesome. To take hours and hours of footage and cut it down into a watchable program by Sunday night with some sort of storyline seems like a huge task. I give Speed full credit for a good show.
Kevin
For the amount of time they have to make one (less then 3 days) I think that the coverage is awesome. To take hours and hours of footage and cut it down into a watchable program by Sunday night with some sort of storyline seems like a huge task. I give Speed full credit for a good show.
Kevin
| WRXedUSA | 12-19-2004 11:30 AM |
A lot of cable companies hve bumped the Speed Channel up to there uber-premium cable packages. This has been the trend over the past few years. It's called the 'ESPN Phenomenon'. It used to be on first or second tier packages for $25-40/mo. I can't (and a lot of people) afford to buy 400 channels of bullcrap at $60/mo just to watch one channel.
I used to watch it religiously, but now, it's not feasible.
Artkevin:
SpeedTV doenst edit the footage. ITV UK does. SpeedTV simply buys a tape from ITV UK at about $18,000 a copy on Sunday and plays it for us. Yes, Bob Varsha or whoever they have now does voice-over, but SpeedTV isn't doing the hard work .
A personal conversation I had with Nicky Grist about this came to the conclusion that we (americans) get the best WRC coverage. To quitcherbitchen. And, he is in fact right after he rattled off what Eurosport, and other outlets show around teh world.
I used to watch it religiously, but now, it's not feasible.
Artkevin:
SpeedTV doenst edit the footage. ITV UK does. SpeedTV simply buys a tape from ITV UK at about $18,000 a copy on Sunday and plays it for us. Yes, Bob Varsha or whoever they have now does voice-over, but SpeedTV isn't doing the hard work .
A personal conversation I had with Nicky Grist about this came to the conclusion that we (americans) get the best WRC coverage. To quitcherbitchen. And, he is in fact right after he rattled off what Eurosport, and other outlets show around teh world.
| artkevin | 12-19-2004 02:45 PM |
I didn't realise that ITV did the editing. I am just happy that I am able to watch a "fringe" sport on a regular basis.
| drees | 12-19-2004 03:49 PM |
If Time Warner didn't make me pay another $15/mo to get Speed, I would be watching rally whenever it was on...
| FaastLegacy | 12-19-2004 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Even though I still watch every round of WRC on Speed, I have to say rally coverage in general is pretty boring. I can see why people don't want to watch cars drive by over and over again. Well, I think rally is pretty boring to watch whether you watch it on tv or live. The only exciting way to cover it is with in-car cameras or helicopters, and they don't use enough of those.
You might disagree with me, but there are probably quite a few people that agree, hence the decline in viewership.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I love rallying and Subarus in general but half the time I can't sit through an entire 1.5 hour rally. Especially if someone's running away with it or Petter's crashed out. It does get bloody boring at times. Rallying is not a spectator sport, it doesn't have any redeeming value on TV unless you really love the sport.
Though I believe whoever edits it, be it ITV or Speed, needs to add more coverage and vary the commercials. I could go the rest of my life without seeing the Lance Armstrong/silver WRX commercial again.
-faast
You might disagree with me, but there are probably quite a few people that agree, hence the decline in viewership.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I love rallying and Subarus in general but half the time I can't sit through an entire 1.5 hour rally. Especially if someone's running away with it or Petter's crashed out. It does get bloody boring at times. Rallying is not a spectator sport, it doesn't have any redeeming value on TV unless you really love the sport.
Though I believe whoever edits it, be it ITV or Speed, needs to add more coverage and vary the commercials. I could go the rest of my life without seeing the Lance Armstrong/silver WRX commercial again.
-faast
| KeenerRS | 12-19-2004 07:02 PM |
cox doesn't provide speed channel on basic cable, i now get mtvpoo instead!
:mad:
:mad:
| Fubaru | 12-20-2004 02:36 AM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]i still and always will make time to watch a rally[/QUOTE]
+0.313
+0.313
| Big C | 12-20-2004 07:09 AM |
Rallying used to be exciting to watch (at least for me), but the coverage on Speed has become pretty boring. I can't quite figure out why, but the BRC coverage they play on Motorsports Mundial just conveys the excitement much better, makes you feel more like you are at the event.
I think part of the problem may be the drivers and the cars. Most of the newer drivers (excepting Solberg of course) are just plain boring to listen to in an interview. And unless Solberg is in the battle for the win I can hardly even watch it anymore. The cars, while faster than ever, are just not as exciting to watch as they were even a few years ago. When I pull out my tapes of the '97/98 seasons with McRae, Makinen, and Sainz all driving insanely sideways suddenly I remember why I liked this stuff in the first place.
While we may get the most coverage at 1.5hrs I don't believe that we get the best. I would like to see Speed drop their voice-over version and just pick up whatever the Brits are broadcasting. However, if Speed drops WRC coverage I will be pissed....given that half the time they play commercials for Bowflex or some diet pills.
I think part of the problem may be the drivers and the cars. Most of the newer drivers (excepting Solberg of course) are just plain boring to listen to in an interview. And unless Solberg is in the battle for the win I can hardly even watch it anymore. The cars, while faster than ever, are just not as exciting to watch as they were even a few years ago. When I pull out my tapes of the '97/98 seasons with McRae, Makinen, and Sainz all driving insanely sideways suddenly I remember why I liked this stuff in the first place.
While we may get the most coverage at 1.5hrs I don't believe that we get the best. I would like to see Speed drop their voice-over version and just pick up whatever the Brits are broadcasting. However, if Speed drops WRC coverage I will be pissed....given that half the time they play commercials for Bowflex or some diet pills.
| Kitsune | 12-20-2004 07:32 AM |
With the power of bowflex turbocharging you can increase the strenght of whats inside.
| shicane | 12-20-2004 08:01 AM |
alrite... does the programs shown differ state to state?? ... all i'm seeing all the time on the speed channel is autoerotica.. a couple old car shows and NASCAR??...
when do they ever have any decent shows on ???!!
when do they ever have any decent shows on ???!!
| BryanH | 12-20-2004 08:20 AM |
DOes anyone thing the new rule changes will make it any more fun to watch? A couple of us go into this discussion this weekend and with the lose of all the computer controlled stuff maybe it will be enough of a step backwards to be fun again.
But I watch it everytime I can.
But I watch it everytime I can.
| phong | 12-20-2004 08:52 AM |
[QUOTE=subimatt]id consider paying for speed channel if they played more rally and less nascar... the ratio is just not worth the money when you can watch the rally later for free on the PC...[/QUOTE]
This is exactly the problem. Why would any of us pay for a channel that we only watch 2 or 3 times a month. Demographically it makes perfect sense, who watches more TV and is more likely spend a larger portion of their income on a cable bill? The NASCAR loving people from Dumbfukistan (Georgia, Kentucky, Alabama, etc...). The rally fans that I know tend to be more active and have a higher level of education, therefore TV time tends to be pretty low on their priority list. If I could watch the rally coverage without having to pay for a list of channels that I would never watch I would be all over it. If I could just pay for that channel I would do it but that is not possible in my area. They have excluded a whole demographic of viewers by allowing the channel to go premium. Fox has wanted the channel to go all NASCAR since they took over and everything they have done has had the passive aggressive effect of excluding the viewers of non-NASCAR programing.
Just another reason to hate Fox,
Dan
This is exactly the problem. Why would any of us pay for a channel that we only watch 2 or 3 times a month. Demographically it makes perfect sense, who watches more TV and is more likely spend a larger portion of their income on a cable bill? The NASCAR loving people from Dumbfukistan (Georgia, Kentucky, Alabama, etc...). The rally fans that I know tend to be more active and have a higher level of education, therefore TV time tends to be pretty low on their priority list. If I could watch the rally coverage without having to pay for a list of channels that I would never watch I would be all over it. If I could just pay for that channel I would do it but that is not possible in my area. They have excluded a whole demographic of viewers by allowing the channel to go premium. Fox has wanted the channel to go all NASCAR since they took over and everything they have done has had the passive aggressive effect of excluding the viewers of non-NASCAR programing.
Just another reason to hate Fox,
Dan
| SlideWRX | 12-20-2004 09:45 AM |
WRC rally didn't have a good second half of the year as far as the american market is concerned: Loeb had the championship virtually wrapped up for the last six races, even [i]if[/i] Solberg had a mathmatical chance of catching him. Of the three marques available in the US, Mitsubishi only ran half of the races [i]poorly[/i], Fords renewal of thier rally program was suspect during the last half of the season, and three DNF's in the middle of the season for Subaru pretty much killed the championship run. So the the three manufacturers available here were dominated by a manufacturer [i]not[/i] available here. It's gonna hurt viewership. There wasn't much opportunity to grow viewership here.
I'll bet the people making the shows can see that it was just a rough year here, but higher up it gets harder to convince that it will turn around, especially when you can make 90% of the audience happy (and get equivalent/better income) with a rerun of NASCAR garage.
Tom
I'll bet the people making the shows can see that it was just a rough year here, but higher up it gets harder to convince that it will turn around, especially when you can make 90% of the audience happy (and get equivalent/better income) with a rerun of NASCAR garage.
Tom
| Dr. WOT | 12-20-2004 12:40 PM |
this thread makes baby Jesus cry
Still, ratings or not, I don't see why they won't do the Rally-thon, are they afraid the "While You Were Out-athon" is really going to do better numbers? Who friggen cares, it's all cable.
Just for the record, my cable service recently moved SPEED to basic, but prior to that I gladly paid for digital cable for 2 years.
I think many of you take international motorsports coverage for granted. As Kevin stated, those of us who were around before the days of Speedvision realize how lucky we are to get whatever coverage we do, good, bad or ugly.
Still, ratings or not, I don't see why they won't do the Rally-thon, are they afraid the "While You Were Out-athon" is really going to do better numbers? Who friggen cares, it's all cable.
Just for the record, my cable service recently moved SPEED to basic, but prior to that I gladly paid for digital cable for 2 years.
I think many of you take international motorsports coverage for granted. As Kevin stated, those of us who were around before the days of Speedvision realize how lucky we are to get whatever coverage we do, good, bad or ugly.
| driggity | 12-20-2004 12:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]It says OLN will be covering it in US and Canada.
[url]http://www.dakar.com/2005/presentationus/r1_medias_01.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah, and they did a good job with the Team USA Dakar Rider search that they showed a few weeks ago. It was good to see TV coverage of an American team trying to make strides to compete in a mostly non-US event. Even if the coverage was on OLN.
[QUOTE=shicane]alrite... does the programs shown differ state to state?? ... all i'm seeing all the time on the speed channel is autoerotica.. a couple old car shows and NASCAR??...
when do they ever have any decent shows on ???!![/QUOTE]
Its the same in all states. Yesterday was pretty good with 3 hours of Porsche Super Cup and a couple of hours on the Goodwood Revival.
[url]http://www.dakar.com/2005/presentationus/r1_medias_01.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah, and they did a good job with the Team USA Dakar Rider search that they showed a few weeks ago. It was good to see TV coverage of an American team trying to make strides to compete in a mostly non-US event. Even if the coverage was on OLN.
[QUOTE=shicane]alrite... does the programs shown differ state to state?? ... all i'm seeing all the time on the speed channel is autoerotica.. a couple old car shows and NASCAR??...
when do they ever have any decent shows on ???!![/QUOTE]
Its the same in all states. Yesterday was pretty good with 3 hours of Porsche Super Cup and a couple of hours on the Goodwood Revival.
| BOFslime | 12-20-2004 01:02 PM |
[QUOTE=jigga]i think their crappy viewership might have something to do with nascar being on 99% of the time. I know they say that they have had the show on at a constant time slot and what not, but when one flicks onto speed, and most of the time finds something they are completely uninterested in watching, they tend to switch elsewhere, and forget to switch back again when the show is on... At least that is the case with me anyway...[/QUOTE]
thats how i am. I watch a lot of speed, but i'll flip away at any oval track event on, or any of those crappy shows like sports car revolution etc.. Then i'll get interested in something else, and forget to flip back. Rally is on so little, that i'll often miss the time slot just being busy with other things, I don't revolve my life around TV... I hate to miss rally when its on, but sometimes its just hard to catch it when it is on. I think i need a tivo. pretty sad when one would buy a tivo for the soul purpose of recording rally.
thats how i am. I watch a lot of speed, but i'll flip away at any oval track event on, or any of those crappy shows like sports car revolution etc.. Then i'll get interested in something else, and forget to flip back. Rally is on so little, that i'll often miss the time slot just being busy with other things, I don't revolve my life around TV... I hate to miss rally when its on, but sometimes its just hard to catch it when it is on. I think i need a tivo. pretty sad when one would buy a tivo for the soul purpose of recording rally.
| Predwolf | 12-20-2004 01:47 PM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]i still and always will make time to watch a rally[/QUOTE]
+3 :)
+3 :)
| wrrrx | 12-22-2004 09:39 AM |
[QUOTE=BOFslime] pretty sad when one would buy a tivo for the soul purpose of recording rally.[/QUOTE]
You take that back!! :lol:
It's sooooo much more convenient w/ a TiVo. I have a love/hate affair w/ Speed. I am very grateful for the WRC programming that we do get and agree w/ WRXed that ours is probably the best coverage overall, even if it's edited by the Brits. (Rather, probably [I][B]because[/B] [/I]it's edited by the Brits!!)
I'm saddened that viewership is declining and agree that Speed turns a lot of people off, which just makes it more endebted to it's NASCRAP viewers. :(
Kind of a "double-edged sword" innit?
Russ R
You take that back!! :lol:
It's sooooo much more convenient w/ a TiVo. I have a love/hate affair w/ Speed. I am very grateful for the WRC programming that we do get and agree w/ WRXed that ours is probably the best coverage overall, even if it's edited by the Brits. (Rather, probably [I][B]because[/B] [/I]it's edited by the Brits!!)
I'm saddened that viewership is declining and agree that Speed turns a lot of people off, which just makes it more endebted to it's NASCRAP viewers. :(
Kind of a "double-edged sword" innit?
Russ R
| deuce.five | 12-22-2004 07:43 PM |
WRC has been pretty scarce lately, I haven't seen an event on Speed in about a month. :furious:
| Bonzo | 12-22-2004 08:01 PM |
[QUOTE=deuce.five]WRC has been pretty scarce lately, I haven't seen an event on Speed in about a month. :furious:[/QUOTE]
The seasons over, ya know.
But if you tune in tonite or set your recording devices you can watch the first of many replays starting at 3:00am with Monte Rally Mag and then the rally at 3:30am. All times are eastern.
So the problem is...?
I buncha whiney bishes, I tell ya...
OLN has been imo gaining big viewer time from me lately. From supermoto bikes to KTM's Dakar USA rider competition to the TDF they are gettin it done.
:)
The seasons over, ya know.
But if you tune in tonite or set your recording devices you can watch the first of many replays starting at 3:00am with Monte Rally Mag and then the rally at 3:30am. All times are eastern.
So the problem is...?
I buncha whiney bishes, I tell ya...
OLN has been imo gaining big viewer time from me lately. From supermoto bikes to KTM's Dakar USA rider competition to the TDF they are gettin it done.
:)
| deuce.five | 12-22-2004 09:14 PM |
Duh, the season is over, but it used to be easy to find re-runs, and what about the year in review? Speed Channel should rename themselves NASCAR TV anyhow, or the NASCAR Channel, it's all they play 80% of the time. I shouldn't have to tape it @ 3am, you whiney, smelly bish.
| Dr. WOT | 12-23-2004 05:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]The seasons over, ya know.
But if you tune in tonite or set your recording devices you can watch the first of many replays starting at 3:00am with Monte Rally Mag and then the rally at 3:30am. All times are eastern.
So the problem is...?
I buncha whiney bishes, I tell ya...
[/QUOTE]
pwn3d :lol:
But if you tune in tonite or set your recording devices you can watch the first of many replays starting at 3:00am with Monte Rally Mag and then the rally at 3:30am. All times are eastern.
So the problem is...?
I buncha whiney bishes, I tell ya...
[/QUOTE]
pwn3d :lol:
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