| thrdeye | 03-27-2007 04:32 PM |
Need to replace my JIC's with some low-end coilovers. Megan or BC?
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These would go onto my 02 WRX for STX competition. I know they're not going to be the ultimate solution, either way I go, but will be fine for my needs. From what I've read, the BC is a better built shock. Does anyone have any direct experience with either one of these?
I do like the fact that you can get Megan's straight out of the box with 10k/12k springs. I've installed two sets of Megan's on other cars, and they seem like quality pieces.
I do like the fact that you can get Megan's straight out of the box with 10k/12k springs. I've installed two sets of Megan's on other cars, and they seem like quality pieces.
| import111 | 03-27-2007 05:32 PM |
I hear good things about the Megans. I would get them.
| PKer | 03-27-2007 06:38 PM |
Look into Progress coilovers too, they are inexpensive and can be valved to match my current and multi-time STX Pro Solo/2005 National Champ Josh Sortor's valving.
They aren't externally adjustable, but have been proven to work well. I am really liking them, plus Progress' customer service is unbeatable. They actually offered to rebuild my strut while I waited!
[url]http://www.progressauto.com/index.html[/url]
They aren't externally adjustable, but have been proven to work well. I am really liking them, plus Progress' customer service is unbeatable. They actually offered to rebuild my strut while I waited!
[url]http://www.progressauto.com/index.html[/url]
| Crash477 | 03-27-2007 08:55 PM |
I ran on the Megans on my old WRX for a year or so. I was happy with them on the course, but for DD purposes, they werent very good
| madspecvman | 03-27-2007 09:03 PM |
i have the bc coilovers and i love them. they havent let up since i got them in oct. and i never had clunking or any other issues.
| thrdeye | 03-27-2007 09:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Crash477;17507809]I ran on the Megans on my old WRX for a year or so. I was happy with them on the course, but for DD purposes, they werent very good[/QUOTE]
Anything is better than these JIC's....trust me on that one.
Thanks for everyones advice so far!!!
Anything is better than these JIC's....trust me on that one.
Thanks for everyones advice so far!!!
| Butt Dyno | 03-27-2007 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17508348]Anything is better than these JIC's....trust me on that one.
Thanks for everyones advice so far!!![/QUOTE]
Which JIC's do you have and what's wrong with em?
(had to ask)
john
Thanks for everyones advice so far!!![/QUOTE]
Which JIC's do you have and what's wrong with em?
(had to ask)
john
| Scooby South | 03-27-2007 10:14 PM |
Chris...I am on Megans....;)
| Crash477 | 03-27-2007 11:00 PM |
mine just clunked a lot!
| thrdeye | 03-27-2007 11:03 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;17508565]Which JIC's do you have and what's wrong with em?
(had to ask)
john[/QUOTE]
I have JIC FLTA2 RS. 9k/10k. They still work well, but I never was pleased with the ride. Friends of mine that have run Megan's, KW, D2 with about the smae spring rate have much better ride quality than mine.
We have ZZYZX on the STU car I'm running this year and they are :drool: Ride like stock...but stiff as balls.
(had to ask)
john[/QUOTE]
I have JIC FLTA2 RS. 9k/10k. They still work well, but I never was pleased with the ride. Friends of mine that have run Megan's, KW, D2 with about the smae spring rate have much better ride quality than mine.
We have ZZYZX on the STU car I'm running this year and they are :drool: Ride like stock...but stiff as balls.
| grippgoat | 03-27-2007 11:22 PM |
Koni + Ground Control?
-Mike
-Mike
| Butt Dyno | 03-27-2007 11:33 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17509583]I have JIC FLTA2 RS. 9k/10k. They still work well, but I never was pleased with the ride. Friends of mine that have run Megan's, KW, D2 with about the smae spring rate have much better ride quality than mine.
We have ZZYZX on the STU car I'm running this year and they are :drool: Ride like stock...but stiff as balls.[/QUOTE]
Ah, same setup I ran last year. Definitely not cushy :lol:
Out of curiosity did you have the JIC helper (tender) springs?
We have ZZYZX on the STU car I'm running this year and they are :drool: Ride like stock...but stiff as balls.[/QUOTE]
Ah, same setup I ran last year. Definitely not cushy :lol:
Out of curiosity did you have the JIC helper (tender) springs?
| UBAR | 03-28-2007 12:30 AM |
I was in the place as you a month ago I had the JIC FLT A-2 on my STX wagon. I did not like the ride of the JIC or the adjusments! I sold the JIC's for $700 and bought the Magan racing Race serices coilovers! Love them they had the spring rate I wanted and they were easy to adjust! Like I said I was in the same place I you and I love my Megans!!!!!!!
| thrdeye | 03-28-2007 08:50 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;17509940]Ah, same setup I ran last year. Definitely not cushy :lol:
Out of curiosity did you have the JIC helper (tender) springs?[/QUOTE]
Yep, have them in the rear...all they're good for is adding a clunk in the rear.
Out of curiosity did you have the JIC helper (tender) springs?[/QUOTE]
Yep, have them in the rear...all they're good for is adding a clunk in the rear.
| Warp3 | 03-28-2007 11:04 AM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;17509804]Koni + Ground Control?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
That's what I had on my 99RS (with Noltec race plates in the front and Group N mounts in the rear) and I loved it! :D
-Mike[/QUOTE]
That's what I had on my 99RS (with Noltec race plates in the front and Group N mounts in the rear) and I loved it! :D
| thrdeye | 03-30-2007 09:03 AM |
Well, turns out BC and Megan come from the same mfgr. Word on the skreet is the BC is a little better built and use a bigger shock valve. I can also get the BC as an inverted design.
| IMPORTIMAGE | 03-30-2007 01:07 PM |
i sell them all, but bang for the buck bc br series is very nice...to get hooked up with more info and great price on the instock parts send me a pm :)
| lil'redwagon | 03-30-2007 02:29 PM |
if you're concerned about DD ride, you might want to look at Tokico D-Specs + RCE springs, or some other performance oriented spring. the Tokico's will handle a pretty stiff spring. if that's not enough, get bigger bars. you will have to change your driving style on the track, but for DD, the Tokico's ride like a limo compared to JIC's. at the track, crank them up, and they will out perform most lower budget coilovers.
| thrdeye | 03-30-2007 02:35 PM |
Ride quality is a concern, but it is the last concern on my list for my application. You would have to ride in a car with JIC's to see what I mean.
I've driven many cars with many different setups, some of which are stiffer than mine (spring rate wise) that have much better ride quality. The Megans happen to be one of those setups.
I've driven many cars with many different setups, some of which are stiffer than mine (spring rate wise) that have much better ride quality. The Megans happen to be one of those setups.
| IMPORTIMAGE | 03-30-2007 02:48 PM |
bc's are great daily drivers..check out the reviews, they sell themselves
| thrdeye | 03-30-2007 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=IMPORTIMAGE;17543759]bc's are great daily drivers..check out the reviews, they sell themselves[/QUOTE]
yeah, I'm pretty set on that inverted setup with 10k/12k springs that you pm'd me about :)
yeah, I'm pretty set on that inverted setup with 10k/12k springs that you pm'd me about :)
| remowgn | 03-30-2007 03:15 PM |
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BC just the OEM manufacturer for Megan, KSport, and some other companies? If that's the case, I would say go with whatever is the cheapest and has the rates you want...
| thrdeye | 03-30-2007 03:15 PM |
you are correct.
edit: However, there seems to be far more customer support for those that are labeled as "BC Racing". You can replace the shock for $100.
edit: However, there seems to be far more customer support for those that are labeled as "BC Racing". You can replace the shock for $100.
| IMPORTIMAGE | 03-30-2007 03:44 PM |
yeah i can do that...
bc racing br series is NOT sold under ANY other name than BC racing...so be clear on that.
+ they offer after 1 year $95 for a new coilover if you blow them out
46mm internally/53mm external measurement
and fixed cup design...
bc racing br series is NOT sold under ANY other name than BC racing...so be clear on that.
+ they offer after 1 year $95 for a new coilover if you blow them out
46mm internally/53mm external measurement
and fixed cup design...
| PossumK | 03-30-2007 04:25 PM |
Megan Racing will replace their shocks for $75 each...
| IMPORTIMAGE | 03-30-2007 04:27 PM |
yes but they will give you a WHOLE NEW COILOVER :)
and also the megan shocks are less expensive...as they are only 44mm's
and also the megan shocks are less expensive...as they are only 44mm's
| lil'redwagon | 03-31-2007 01:19 AM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17543574]You would have to ride in a car with JIC's to see what I mean.[/QUOTE]
:lol: believe me, i know what JIC's ride like - i used to sell them! now, after a few suspension setups, i'm on Tokico's with tanabe springs. not bad, but i'll be getting the RCE springs soon. with the tanabe springs, i already feel like this setup is superior to the JIC's. and these aren't even the best springs out there. i will say that tokicos are far superior to the JIC dampers, regardless of whatever springs are being used.
:lol: believe me, i know what JIC's ride like - i used to sell them! now, after a few suspension setups, i'm on Tokico's with tanabe springs. not bad, but i'll be getting the RCE springs soon. with the tanabe springs, i already feel like this setup is superior to the JIC's. and these aren't even the best springs out there. i will say that tokicos are far superior to the JIC dampers, regardless of whatever springs are being used.
| BlackSTI2006 | 03-31-2007 06:35 PM |
+1 for the BC BR's from Josh @ ImportImage! I have a review floating around the boards with before and after pics on my STI and a picture of them on my garage floor to get an idea of them. As well as pictures of the tophats and lower mounts.
Having ridden in my friends bugeye thats riding on JIC's I can honestly say these BC's ride so much better. The fit and finish of them are are awsome. Even though they are hidden behind tires they look great. Even after a couple months of winter sand and salt here in new england there is no corrosion or anything at all on them when I rinsed them off while swapping to my summer tire/rim setup.
30 way adjustable and i have been on 15 front and 15 rear for a few months just to see how things go. I have seen the others with them running like a 6 or 7 click from soft so i know im running a little too high for the street. But, ride is good. It has improved over stock in many areas.
One thing is the very agressive camber in the rear if you look at my pics youll see. I would suggest getting rear camber plates if you want to correct this.
If you have any questions about them pm me. I dont mind giving you a little info on them, but I know Josh @ Import is totally honest with his answers. These things are great.
Glad i went with these over spending a bunch more money on Teins.
Having ridden in my friends bugeye thats riding on JIC's I can honestly say these BC's ride so much better. The fit and finish of them are are awsome. Even though they are hidden behind tires they look great. Even after a couple months of winter sand and salt here in new england there is no corrosion or anything at all on them when I rinsed them off while swapping to my summer tire/rim setup.
30 way adjustable and i have been on 15 front and 15 rear for a few months just to see how things go. I have seen the others with them running like a 6 or 7 click from soft so i know im running a little too high for the street. But, ride is good. It has improved over stock in many areas.
One thing is the very agressive camber in the rear if you look at my pics youll see. I would suggest getting rear camber plates if you want to correct this.
If you have any questions about them pm me. I dont mind giving you a little info on them, but I know Josh @ Import is totally honest with his answers. These things are great.
Glad i went with these over spending a bunch more money on Teins.
| silverwrx666 | 03-31-2007 08:33 PM |
Iam thinking about getting the megans's when my struts start clunking.
| carl s. | 03-31-2007 08:38 PM |
i have the bc racing coils - i had previously used both megan street and tracks on 240sx's so i can't give a direct comparison since they're different cars but i can say that i like the bc better lol.
| greg donovan | 04-01-2007 02:41 AM |
how much travel do the BC coil overs have compared to stock?
is there something that can cover the adjuster on the bottom to protect it?
can they go higher than stock and still keep a good amount of travel?
is there something that can cover the adjuster on the bottom to protect it?
can they go higher than stock and still keep a good amount of travel?
| thrdeye | 04-01-2007 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;17558467]how much travel do the BC coil overs have compared to stock?
is there something that can cover the adjuster on the bottom to protect it?
can they go higher than stock and still keep a good amount of travel?[/QUOTE]
The spring perch and shock body are independant of each other. You will get as much shock travel as possible in just about any configuration because of this.
is there something that can cover the adjuster on the bottom to protect it?
can they go higher than stock and still keep a good amount of travel?[/QUOTE]
The spring perch and shock body are independant of each other. You will get as much shock travel as possible in just about any configuration because of this.
| thrdeye | 04-01-2007 12:45 PM |
[QUOTE=BlackSTI2006;17555050]+1 for the BC BR's from Josh @ ImportImage! I have a review floating around the boards with before and after pics on my STI and a picture of them on my garage floor to get an idea of them. As well as pictures of the tophats and lower mounts.
Having ridden in my friends bugeye thats riding on JIC's I can honestly say these BC's ride so much better. The fit and finish of them are are awsome. Even though they are hidden behind tires they look great. Even after a couple months of winter sand and salt here in new england there is no corrosion or anything at all on them when I rinsed them off while swapping to my summer tire/rim setup.
30 way adjustable and i have been on 15 front and 15 rear for a few months just to see how things go. I have seen the others with them running like a 6 or 7 click from soft so i know im running a little too high for the street. But, ride is good. It has improved over stock in many areas.
One thing is the very agressive camber in the rear if you look at my pics youll see. I would suggest getting rear camber plates if you want to correct this.
If you have any questions about them pm me. I dont mind giving you a little info on them, but I know Josh @ Import is totally honest with his answers. These things are great.
Glad i went with these over spending a bunch more money on Teins.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I have camber bolts in the rear already, because I need to run pretty close to 0 in the back.
Having ridden in my friends bugeye thats riding on JIC's I can honestly say these BC's ride so much better. The fit and finish of them are are awsome. Even though they are hidden behind tires they look great. Even after a couple months of winter sand and salt here in new england there is no corrosion or anything at all on them when I rinsed them off while swapping to my summer tire/rim setup.
30 way adjustable and i have been on 15 front and 15 rear for a few months just to see how things go. I have seen the others with them running like a 6 or 7 click from soft so i know im running a little too high for the street. But, ride is good. It has improved over stock in many areas.
One thing is the very agressive camber in the rear if you look at my pics youll see. I would suggest getting rear camber plates if you want to correct this.
If you have any questions about them pm me. I dont mind giving you a little info on them, but I know Josh @ Import is totally honest with his answers. These things are great.
Glad i went with these over spending a bunch more money on Teins.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I have camber bolts in the rear already, because I need to run pretty close to 0 in the back.
| grippgoat | 04-01-2007 08:32 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17560412]The spring perch and shock body are independant of each other. You will get as much shock travel as possible in just about any configuration because of this.[/QUOTE]
No, it means you will have only as much shock travel as there is room for in the lowest possible ride height setting, no matter what you set your ride height to.
-Mike
No, it means you will have only as much shock travel as there is room for in the lowest possible ride height setting, no matter what you set your ride height to.
-Mike
| thrdeye | 04-01-2007 10:37 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;17564304]No, it means you will have only as much shock travel as there is room for in the lowest possible ride height setting, no matter what you set your ride height to.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Sure. I said, "just about any" configuration. The guy was talking about going higher than stock.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Sure. I said, "just about any" configuration. The guy was talking about going higher than stock.
| grippgoat | 04-02-2007 01:53 AM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17565571]Sure. I said, "just about any" configuration. The guy was talking about going higher than stock.[/QUOTE]
Your post said "As much travel as possible". Certainly he will not be getting anywhere close to the amount of travel he'd get with a fully stock-length strut when riding higher than stock. Had you said "As much travel as the shock provides", I'd have read it differently, but would still want to emphasize the fact that shortened shocks with separate shock body length and spring seat adjustment have stroke designed for their lowest setting, which is generally substantially lower than stock, and substantially less than "enough" travel for streetable spring rates.
-Mike
Your post said "As much travel as possible". Certainly he will not be getting anywhere close to the amount of travel he'd get with a fully stock-length strut when riding higher than stock. Had you said "As much travel as the shock provides", I'd have read it differently, but would still want to emphasize the fact that shortened shocks with separate shock body length and spring seat adjustment have stroke designed for their lowest setting, which is generally substantially lower than stock, and substantially less than "enough" travel for streetable spring rates.
-Mike
| thrdeye | 04-02-2007 09:08 AM |
I don't understand what you're saying. The shock body itself determines the ride height of the suspension, so even in the lowest setting, you're only limited by the physical limitations of your setup, not the shock shaft length, correct?
| greg donovan | 04-02-2007 09:15 AM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;17567352]Your post said "As much travel as possible". Certainly he will not be getting anywhere close to the amount of travel he'd get with a fully stock-length strut when riding higher than stock. Had you said "As much travel as the shock provides", I'd have read it differently, but would still want to emphasize the fact that shortened shocks with separate shock body length and spring seat adjustment have stroke designed for their lowest setting, which is generally substantially lower than stock, and substantially less than "enough" travel for streetable spring rates.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
so, they have a shorter body?
thanks, i will continue to use oem type struts and springs. too bad (for me) all the springs out there lower the car.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
so, they have a shorter body?
thanks, i will continue to use oem type struts and springs. too bad (for me) all the springs out there lower the car.
| thrdeye | 04-02-2007 09:38 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;17568755]so, they have a shorter body?
thanks, i will continue to use oem type struts and springs. too bad (for me) all the springs out there lower the car.[/QUOTE]
You can run stock height with any coilover setup.
thanks, i will continue to use oem type struts and springs. too bad (for me) all the springs out there lower the car.[/QUOTE]
You can run stock height with any coilover setup.
| greg donovan | 04-02-2007 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17568959]You can run stock height with any coilover setup.[/QUOTE]
but if it is a short body strut i will have less travel than stock. dont want a short body coil over strut. so it is either a full blown rally coilover struts or oem type w/the same (or more) travel as stock.
i am aware how coilovers work. i just wanted to know about the amount of travel these things had.
now i know that they have less travel than stock and that is not what i want.
but if it is a short body strut i will have less travel than stock. dont want a short body coil over strut. so it is either a full blown rally coilover struts or oem type w/the same (or more) travel as stock.
i am aware how coilovers work. i just wanted to know about the amount of travel these things had.
now i know that they have less travel than stock and that is not what i want.
| grippgoat | 04-03-2007 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;17572859]but if it is a short body strut i will have less travel than stock. dont want a short body coil over strut. so it is either a full blown rally coilover struts or oem type w/the same (or more) travel as stock.
i am aware how coilovers work. i just wanted to know about the amount of travel these things had.
now i know that they have less travel than stock and that is not what i want.[/QUOTE]
You should verify how much the shocks are shortened with the manufacturer or reseller. I don't want to talk you out of a specific setup, I just want to make you aware that what is billed as a good feature isn't always the case.
For example.... On my 05 STI, stock ride height is somewhere up around 15" wheel center to fender. Tein Flex out-of-box settings are like 13" wheel center to fender. At that height, there is STILL enough room to lower the shock body at least another 3/4".... What does that tell you about how little travel the shocks have? Sure, I can adjust it all the way up to stock ride height, but it still only has the same amount of travel as it had when it was at 12.5" inches. Even with 10kg (550lb) springs and the bumpstops cut down to 1/3 their normal size, I still have to preload the springs a bit to keep the car off the bumpstops during normal driving and aggressive cornering. Running an 8kg or 7kg front spring, or taking the car offroad, is just absolutely not an option.
I'm sure not all applications are as bad as the Flex, but from what I've seen, most companies that only have performance in mind with their suspensions (KW, RaceComp, Whiteline, Moton, AST) don't do double height adjustment. They make the shocks the right length for ride heights that give good performance (anything from around stock to around 1.5-2" lower than stock), while keeping plenty of travel to still run lighter streetable rates, and keep the car off the bumpstops.
If you want height adjustability at near-stock heights, with stock travel, then the Ground-Control coil-over adapters would probably be a great solution for you. Pick your own rates, and pick spring lengths that let you stay up at stock heights.
-Mike
i am aware how coilovers work. i just wanted to know about the amount of travel these things had.
now i know that they have less travel than stock and that is not what i want.[/QUOTE]
You should verify how much the shocks are shortened with the manufacturer or reseller. I don't want to talk you out of a specific setup, I just want to make you aware that what is billed as a good feature isn't always the case.
For example.... On my 05 STI, stock ride height is somewhere up around 15" wheel center to fender. Tein Flex out-of-box settings are like 13" wheel center to fender. At that height, there is STILL enough room to lower the shock body at least another 3/4".... What does that tell you about how little travel the shocks have? Sure, I can adjust it all the way up to stock ride height, but it still only has the same amount of travel as it had when it was at 12.5" inches. Even with 10kg (550lb) springs and the bumpstops cut down to 1/3 their normal size, I still have to preload the springs a bit to keep the car off the bumpstops during normal driving and aggressive cornering. Running an 8kg or 7kg front spring, or taking the car offroad, is just absolutely not an option.
I'm sure not all applications are as bad as the Flex, but from what I've seen, most companies that only have performance in mind with their suspensions (KW, RaceComp, Whiteline, Moton, AST) don't do double height adjustment. They make the shocks the right length for ride heights that give good performance (anything from around stock to around 1.5-2" lower than stock), while keeping plenty of travel to still run lighter streetable rates, and keep the car off the bumpstops.
If you want height adjustability at near-stock heights, with stock travel, then the Ground-Control coil-over adapters would probably be a great solution for you. Pick your own rates, and pick spring lengths that let you stay up at stock heights.
-Mike
| thrdeye | 04-03-2007 01:23 PM |
Mike,
I've always adjusted my ride height by jacking up the car and letting the suspension droop. Then put the spring all the way to the top of the top hat (upper spring perch). I then just use the shock body to adjust height.
This allows full shock travel at any height that is physically possible (based on tire size, fender clearance, rubbing, bottoming out, etc.). If you use the spring to adjust ride height, you are going to lose shock travel, I agree.
Maybe I'm really misunderstanding you. I just don't see how you could even get close to the bump stops on an independently adjustable setup.
I've always adjusted my ride height by jacking up the car and letting the suspension droop. Then put the spring all the way to the top of the top hat (upper spring perch). I then just use the shock body to adjust height.
This allows full shock travel at any height that is physically possible (based on tire size, fender clearance, rubbing, bottoming out, etc.). If you use the spring to adjust ride height, you are going to lose shock travel, I agree.
Maybe I'm really misunderstanding you. I just don't see how you could even get close to the bump stops on an independently adjustable setup.
| greg donovan | 04-03-2007 02:05 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;17585687]You should verify how much the shocks are shortened with the manufacturer or reseller. I don't want to talk you out of a specific setup, I just want to make you aware that what is billed as a good feature isn't always the case.
For example.... On my 05 STI, stock ride height is somewhere up around 15" wheel center to fender. Tein Flex out-of-box settings are like 13" wheel center to fender. At that height, there is STILL enough room to lower the shock body at least another 3/4".... What does that tell you about how little travel the shocks have? Sure, I can adjust it all the way up to stock ride height, but it still only has the same amount of travel as it had when it was at 12.5" inches. Even with 10kg ([B]550lb[/B]) springs and the bumpstops cut down to 1/3 their normal size, I still have to preload the springs a bit to keep the car off the bumpstops during normal driving and aggressive cornering. Running an 8kg or 7kg front spring, or taking the car offroad, is just absolutely not an option.
I'm sure not all applications are as bad as the Flex, but from what I've seen, most companies that only have performance in mind with their suspensions (KW, RaceComp, Whiteline, Moton, AST) don't do double height adjustment. They make the shocks the right length for ride heights that give good performance (anything from around stock to around 1.5-2" lower than stock), while keeping plenty of travel to still run lighter streetable rates, and keep the car off the bumpstops.
If you want height adjustability at near-stock heights, with stock travel, then the Ground-Control coil-over adapters would probably be a great solution for you. Pick your own rates, and pick spring lengths that let you stay up at stock heights.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
i would probably only run a 250 pound spring max. stock on my legacy sport sedan is only 132 pounds. this is a daily driver with kids that might go rallycrossing every now and then, spectate at rallys and maybe do road check outs for local rallies.
yeah. agx and GC is the way to go for me for a low buck coil over set up. more than likely i will just get some STi take offs.
For example.... On my 05 STI, stock ride height is somewhere up around 15" wheel center to fender. Tein Flex out-of-box settings are like 13" wheel center to fender. At that height, there is STILL enough room to lower the shock body at least another 3/4".... What does that tell you about how little travel the shocks have? Sure, I can adjust it all the way up to stock ride height, but it still only has the same amount of travel as it had when it was at 12.5" inches. Even with 10kg ([B]550lb[/B]) springs and the bumpstops cut down to 1/3 their normal size, I still have to preload the springs a bit to keep the car off the bumpstops during normal driving and aggressive cornering. Running an 8kg or 7kg front spring, or taking the car offroad, is just absolutely not an option.
I'm sure not all applications are as bad as the Flex, but from what I've seen, most companies that only have performance in mind with their suspensions (KW, RaceComp, Whiteline, Moton, AST) don't do double height adjustment. They make the shocks the right length for ride heights that give good performance (anything from around stock to around 1.5-2" lower than stock), while keeping plenty of travel to still run lighter streetable rates, and keep the car off the bumpstops.
If you want height adjustability at near-stock heights, with stock travel, then the Ground-Control coil-over adapters would probably be a great solution for you. Pick your own rates, and pick spring lengths that let you stay up at stock heights.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
i would probably only run a 250 pound spring max. stock on my legacy sport sedan is only 132 pounds. this is a daily driver with kids that might go rallycrossing every now and then, spectate at rallys and maybe do road check outs for local rallies.
yeah. agx and GC is the way to go for me for a low buck coil over set up. more than likely i will just get some STi take offs.
| grippgoat | 04-04-2007 03:23 AM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17586449]Mike,
I've always adjusted my ride height by jacking up the car and letting the suspension droop. Then put the spring all the way to the top of the top hat (upper spring perch). I then just use the shock body to adjust height.
This allows full shock travel at any height that is physically possible (based on tire size, fender clearance, rubbing, bottoming out, etc.). If you use the spring to adjust ride height, you are going to lose shock travel, I agree.
Maybe I'm really misunderstanding you. I just don't see how you could even get close to the bump stops on an independently adjustable setup.[/QUOTE]
Part of the story: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834616[/url]
I've got some posts on a miata board along the same lines, but don't have time to search / link them right now.
You do correctly understand that when you adjust the height using the lower adjustment, not the spring perch, the shock travel does not change.
The point I'm trying to drive home is that in some applications (Tein Flex STI front and Miata rear especially, also JIC from what I've heard / seen, and likely many other setups designed for low ride heights), the available travel is simply not enough for proper functioning of the suspension on streetable spring rates, with potholes, speedbumps, etc.
-Mike
I've always adjusted my ride height by jacking up the car and letting the suspension droop. Then put the spring all the way to the top of the top hat (upper spring perch). I then just use the shock body to adjust height.
This allows full shock travel at any height that is physically possible (based on tire size, fender clearance, rubbing, bottoming out, etc.). If you use the spring to adjust ride height, you are going to lose shock travel, I agree.
Maybe I'm really misunderstanding you. I just don't see how you could even get close to the bump stops on an independently adjustable setup.[/QUOTE]
Part of the story: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834616[/url]
I've got some posts on a miata board along the same lines, but don't have time to search / link them right now.
You do correctly understand that when you adjust the height using the lower adjustment, not the spring perch, the shock travel does not change.
The point I'm trying to drive home is that in some applications (Tein Flex STI front and Miata rear especially, also JIC from what I've heard / seen, and likely many other setups designed for low ride heights), the available travel is simply not enough for proper functioning of the suspension on streetable spring rates, with potholes, speedbumps, etc.
-Mike
| dunnojack | 04-04-2007 05:17 AM |
Look into STANCE coilovers. they provide many different applications now, and no complains for Daily Driving or Track.
| Butt Dyno | 04-04-2007 08:27 AM |
[QUOTE=dunnojack;17597279]Look into STANCE coilovers. they provide many different applications now, and no complains for Daily Driving or Track.[/QUOTE]
Review thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1069883&highlight=stance[/url]
Review thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1069883&highlight=stance[/url]
| IMPORTIMAGE | 04-04-2007 12:45 PM |
heck yes...zip tied brake lines ftw! LOL!!!! not on my car
| thrdeye | 04-04-2007 12:50 PM |
[QUOTE=IMPORTIMAGE;17600671]heck yes...zip tied brake lines ftw! LOL!!!! not on my car[/QUOTE]
There are Zyzzx coilovers on the STi I'm autocrossing this year, and we had to use zip ties for the brake lines. That was sort of disappointing. But the rest of the suspension makes up for it.
There are Zyzzx coilovers on the STi I'm autocrossing this year, and we had to use zip ties for the brake lines. That was sort of disappointing. But the rest of the suspension makes up for it.
| Crash477 | 04-04-2007 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye;17600742]There are Zyzzx coilovers on the STi I'm autocrossing this year, and we had to use zip ties for the brake lines. That was sort of disappointing. But the rest of the suspension makes up for it.[/QUOTE]
hmm.. illegal weight savings?? lol jk man
hmm.. illegal weight savings?? lol jk man
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