| gtguy | 07-08-2004 10:26 AM |
Silverstone time, and I don't mean cookware!
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1. RB (I know, I know, but he loves this track)
2. MS (happy with second)
3. JB (home court charge)
4. JPM (has something to prove)
5. FA (on a roll)
6. DC (pit strategy all the way)
7. KR (points, again)
8. CdM (hey, he can't suck forever, can he?)
Sato's engine will blow again, and Gene will be close, but no cigar.
Kevin
2. MS (happy with second)
3. JB (home court charge)
4. JPM (has something to prove)
5. FA (on a roll)
6. DC (pit strategy all the way)
7. KR (points, again)
8. CdM (hey, he can't suck forever, can he?)
Sato's engine will blow again, and Gene will be close, but no cigar.
Kevin
| AndyRoo | 07-08-2004 01:36 PM |
Ralf signs with toyota with a 3 year deal. not sure if this is old news though.
Da Matta and Panis are gonna battle for the #2 spot. And they both deserve to stay in F1, IMO. If they had a solid reliable car they both might be competitive.
oh and also [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=591815[/url]
Da Matta and Panis are gonna battle for the #2 spot. And they both deserve to stay in F1, IMO. If they had a solid reliable car they both might be competitive.
oh and also [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=591815[/url]
| rupertberr | 07-08-2004 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]Ralf signs with toyota with a 3 year deal. not sure if this is old news though.
Da Matta and Panis are gonna battle for the #2 spot. And they both deserve to stay in F1, IMO. If they had a solid reliable car they both might be competitive.
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Predicted the Schumacher move right here years ago, or maybe it was a couple weeks ago! :D
Toyota wants Webber as number two. See Autosport latest. Da Matta and Panis get all the development work and the new guys will get all the glory. It's a cruel world.
Silverstone:
1. Button
2. Sato
3. RB
4. MS
5. JT
6. DC
7. JPM
8. Fisi
Reason's: Why not?
[B]Ralf signs with toyota with a 3 year deal. not sure if this is old news though.
Da Matta and Panis are gonna battle for the #2 spot. And they both deserve to stay in F1, IMO. If they had a solid reliable car they both might be competitive.
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Predicted the Schumacher move right here years ago, or maybe it was a couple weeks ago! :D
Toyota wants Webber as number two. See Autosport latest. Da Matta and Panis get all the development work and the new guys will get all the glory. It's a cruel world.
Silverstone:
1. Button
2. Sato
3. RB
4. MS
5. JT
6. DC
7. JPM
8. Fisi
Reason's: Why not?
| AndyRoo | 07-08-2004 04:10 PM |
my picks:
1. Schumacher
2. Button
3. Barrichello
4. Alonso
5. Trulli
6. Coulthard
7. Raikkonen
8. Fisichella
1. Schumacher
2. Button
3. Barrichello
4. Alonso
5. Trulli
6. Coulthard
7. Raikkonen
8. Fisichella
| artkevin | 07-08-2004 06:11 PM |
I vote for daMatta for the # 2 seat at Toyota. I think he is a classy guy and is probably on his way up rather then down. I think Panis is also good but he is no spring chicken. I would also like to see Webber at Williams rather then Toyota.
This my 1st shot at one of these picks:
1. MS
2. TS
3.RB
4. FA
5.JPM
6.JB
7.JT
8.KR
These are based on nothing but my imagination. I would like to see a non-red car win though. I have to pull for DC and JB to do well in their home event.
This my 1st shot at one of these picks:
1. MS
2. TS
3.RB
4. FA
5.JPM
6.JB
7.JT
8.KR
These are based on nothing but my imagination. I would like to see a non-red car win though. I have to pull for DC and JB to do well in their home event.
| pio!pio! | 07-08-2004 06:15 PM |
JB
TS
1-2? Sato's engine will done blowed up..they wont figure it out until after the end of the summer testing hiatus
1)MS
2)JB
3)FA
4)RB
4)DC
5)JT
6)JPM
7)CDM
8)GF
TS
1-2? Sato's engine will done blowed up..they wont figure it out until after the end of the summer testing hiatus
1)MS
2)JB
3)FA
4)RB
4)DC
5)JT
6)JPM
7)CDM
8)GF
| Leonardo | 07-08-2004 10:46 PM |
Montoya WILL podium!
GO CHILI DOG!!!!
GO CHILI DOG!!!!
| ArtGecko | 07-08-2004 11:49 PM |
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
J.Button
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
M.Webber
This is fun! Just throw about any team's driver in there, and your chances are about even. :D
Steve
F.Alonso
J.Button
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
M.Webber
This is fun! Just throw about any team's driver in there, and your chances are about even. :D
Steve
| OnTheGas | 07-09-2004 01:13 AM |
I still see red...
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[list=1]This is a real crap shoot... the Michelin runners can run with Ferrari in qualifying, and they all run pretty closely together. Plus it may be a wet race. A real crap shoot... but should be another good race![*][b]Michael[/b] - Faster in the dry, the wet, when challenged by another car... just bullet proof![*][b]Rubens[/b] - Wet or dry, the Bridgestone advantage will put both red cars on the podium.[*][b]Fernando[/b] - He's back, and Renault is friendly to it's Michelins.[*][b]Jarno[/b] - Blue and yellow, will follow blue and yellow home.[*][b]Jenson[/b] - I'd like to see a BAR take the win, but they didn't have the pace in Magny Cours to take the Renaults... I hope they beat the Renaults.[*][b]Kimi[/b] - He will come alive at Silverstone![*][b]Juan[/b] - What happened to Williams BMW?[*][b]David[/b] - Loving a competitive car which doesn't blow up![/list]Takuma will blow up, and Honda will again say they are mystified.
Regarding the [b]silly season[/b], the best seats available next season are the 2 at Williams, so whatever happens, clearly Frank believes that [b]Ralfy is not as good as 2 other drivers[/b] who will be available... So who are these 2 drivers?
[b]Weber[/b] will get one Williams seat... so who gets the other? It is hard for [b]da Matta[/b] to shine when the Toyota chassis is such a PoS, but he should be a candidate. If Marc [b]Gene[/b] sparkles this weekend at Silverstone, then he may get the seat. Giancarlo [b]Fisichella[/b] should have the seat, but his Italian heart is lusting after a Ferrari seat, so he will need to give up that dream. DC is available, but Frank would not be smart to put him in it... Jacques is available, but I can't see that coming to fruition either... Silly season, should get sillier from here on out!
For Silverstone, I'm gonna pray for sporadic, light rain! :devil: This was a helluva race last year! :D
Regarding the [b]silly season[/b], the best seats available next season are the 2 at Williams, so whatever happens, clearly Frank believes that [b]Ralfy is not as good as 2 other drivers[/b] who will be available... So who are these 2 drivers?
[b]Weber[/b] will get one Williams seat... so who gets the other? It is hard for [b]da Matta[/b] to shine when the Toyota chassis is such a PoS, but he should be a candidate. If Marc [b]Gene[/b] sparkles this weekend at Silverstone, then he may get the seat. Giancarlo [b]Fisichella[/b] should have the seat, but his Italian heart is lusting after a Ferrari seat, so he will need to give up that dream. DC is available, but Frank would not be smart to put him in it... Jacques is available, but I can't see that coming to fruition either... Silly season, should get sillier from here on out!
For Silverstone, I'm gonna pray for sporadic, light rain! :devil: This was a helluva race last year! :D
| grandpa rex | 07-09-2004 07:34 AM |
I've seen a few mentions in the press about Jack Villeneuve getting the second Williams seat. Perhaps after a year of public villification might see Jacques a little more motivated than he was at BAR.
anyway, my picks:
1. John Felstead - Quick, aggressive and ready to win
2. Maggie Thatcher - always tough at home and away
3. Sir Winston Churchill - Best of the Brits, but finishes third because of his weight penalty
4. William Shakespeare - The best ever at his craft
5. David Beckham and Posh Spice in the Minardi two-seater
6. Robbie Burns - Scotland is still considered GN
7. DC
8. Christine Keeler
anyway, my picks:
1. John Felstead - Quick, aggressive and ready to win
2. Maggie Thatcher - always tough at home and away
3. Sir Winston Churchill - Best of the Brits, but finishes third because of his weight penalty
4. William Shakespeare - The best ever at his craft
5. David Beckham and Posh Spice in the Minardi two-seater
6. Robbie Burns - Scotland is still considered GN
7. DC
8. Christine Keeler
| rupertberr | 07-09-2004 10:54 AM |
Friday results do not mean much but might help the mental state of McLaren:
1. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'18"655 0.000 Km/h 16
2. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"660 + 0'00"005 20
3. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'19"162 + 0'00"507 14
4. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'19"287 + 0'00"632 17
5. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'19"401 + 0'00"746 19
6. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'19"473 + 0'00"818 22
7. 04 GENE Williams BMW M 1'19"540 + 0'00"885 20
8. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'19"601 + 0'00"946 21
9. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'19"611 + 0'00"956 13
10. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'19"676 + 0'01"021 23
11. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'19"746 + 0'01"091 20
12. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'19"874 + 0'01"219 30
13. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'20"095 + 0'01"440 35
14. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'20"489 + 0'01"834 25
15. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'20"829 + 0'02"174 19
16. 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'20"861 + 0'02"206 14
17. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"073 + 0'02"418 30
18. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"352 + 0'02"697 27
19. 37 WIRDHEIM Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"353 + 0'02"698 33
20. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'22"365 + 0'03"710 13
21. 39 GLOCK Jordan Ford B 1'22"500 + 0'03"845 24
22. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"516 + 0'03"861 25
23. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'22"586 + 0'03"931 14
24. 40 LEINDERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"792 + 0'04"137 20
25. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'23"436 + 0'04"781 23
1. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'18"655 0.000 Km/h 16
2. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"660 + 0'00"005 20
3. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'19"162 + 0'00"507 14
4. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'19"287 + 0'00"632 17
5. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'19"401 + 0'00"746 19
6. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'19"473 + 0'00"818 22
7. 04 GENE Williams BMW M 1'19"540 + 0'00"885 20
8. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'19"601 + 0'00"946 21
9. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'19"611 + 0'00"956 13
10. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'19"676 + 0'01"021 23
11. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'19"746 + 0'01"091 20
12. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'19"874 + 0'01"219 30
13. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'20"095 + 0'01"440 35
14. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'20"489 + 0'01"834 25
15. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'20"829 + 0'02"174 19
16. 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'20"861 + 0'02"206 14
17. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"073 + 0'02"418 30
18. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"352 + 0'02"697 27
19. 37 WIRDHEIM Jaguar Cosworth M 1'21"353 + 0'02"698 33
20. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'22"365 + 0'03"710 13
21. 39 GLOCK Jordan Ford B 1'22"500 + 0'03"845 24
22. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"516 + 0'03"861 25
23. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'22"586 + 0'03"931 14
24. 40 LEINDERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"792 + 0'04"137 20
25. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'23"436 + 0'04"781 23
| AndyRoo | 07-09-2004 11:02 AM |
who the heck is Leinders (minardi)?
edit: nm, i guess hes a test driver, didnt see one of the other minardis in there.
edit: nm, i guess hes a test driver, didnt see one of the other minardis in there.
| KiddJoey | 07-09-2004 11:15 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]
Toyota wants Webber as number two. See Autosport latest. Da Matta and Panis get all the development work and the new guys will get all the glory. It's a cruel world.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, Mika Salo and Allan McNiish did all the development work then after a season Toyota brought in Da Matta and Panis. That's the way the wheels turn in F1, maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?!
[B]
Toyota wants Webber as number two. See Autosport latest. Da Matta and Panis get all the development work and the new guys will get all the glory. It's a cruel world.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, Mika Salo and Allan McNiish did all the development work then after a season Toyota brought in Da Matta and Panis. That's the way the wheels turn in F1, maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?!
| KiddJoey | 07-09-2004 11:33 AM |
On the Podium:
1) Barrichello - He likes this track.
2) Button - Can't handle home track pressure not to mention 1st win hurdle.
3) Raikkonen - McLaren is climbing back.
Honorable mention:
Schumacher - Doesn't have good memories or good luck at Silverstone.
Sato - Will surely break another engine.
Renault - Can't recover from French schooling... but will regain composure at Hockenheimring
1) Barrichello - He likes this track.
2) Button - Can't handle home track pressure not to mention 1st win hurdle.
3) Raikkonen - McLaren is climbing back.
Honorable mention:
Schumacher - Doesn't have good memories or good luck at Silverstone.
Sato - Will surely break another engine.
Renault - Can't recover from French schooling... but will regain composure at Hockenheimring
| OnTheGas | 07-09-2004 11:35 AM |
Fisi's Sauber 2nd Fastest in Practice!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]Friday results do not mean much but might help the mental state of McLaren:
1. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'18"655 0.000 Km/h 16
2. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"660 + 0'00"005 20[/B][/QUOTE]Things that make you go hmmm...
Fisi's motor broke in the 1st session, so he will lose 10 spots on the grid come Sunday. But it was dry today, and he ran 2nd fastest in practice, and then hopped out and [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=159476]raved about the pace of his Sauber[/URL].
Now I wish I had chosen Giancarlo for some points, but instead I went with all Ferrari, followed by Michelin runners.
Here's is who guessed Fisi would grab points:[list][*]rupertberr guessed Fisi 8th[*]AndyRoo guessed Fisi 8th[*]pio!pio! guessed Fisi 8th[*]ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/list]Good job, guys! If Fisi's Sauber stays together on Sunday afternoon, he could finish well.
edit: typo hell!
[B]Friday results do not mean much but might help the mental state of McLaren:
1. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'18"655 0.000 Km/h 16
2. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"660 + 0'00"005 20[/B][/QUOTE]Things that make you go hmmm...
Fisi's motor broke in the 1st session, so he will lose 10 spots on the grid come Sunday. But it was dry today, and he ran 2nd fastest in practice, and then hopped out and [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=159476]raved about the pace of his Sauber[/URL].
Now I wish I had chosen Giancarlo for some points, but instead I went with all Ferrari, followed by Michelin runners.
Here's is who guessed Fisi would grab points:[list][*]rupertberr guessed Fisi 8th[*]AndyRoo guessed Fisi 8th[*]pio!pio! guessed Fisi 8th[*]ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/list]Good job, guys! If Fisi's Sauber stays together on Sunday afternoon, he could finish well.
edit: typo hell!
| AndyRoo | 07-09-2004 11:42 AM |
I'd certainly like to see him make a charge up the field, could be an interesting race for him.
And Kimi for that matter. Hopefully he hasnt forgetton how to drive a car thats fast AND doesnt blow up.
And Kimi for that matter. Hopefully he hasnt forgetton how to drive a car thats fast AND doesnt blow up.
| rupertberr | 07-09-2004 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KiddJoey [/i]
[B]Actually, Mika Salo and Allan McNiish did all the development work then after a season Toyota brought in Da Matta and Panis. That's the way the wheels turn in F1, maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?! [/B][/QUOTE]
;)
[B]Actually, Mika Salo and Allan McNiish did all the development work then after a season Toyota brought in Da Matta and Panis. That's the way the wheels turn in F1, maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?! [/B][/QUOTE]
;)
| OnTheGas | 07-09-2004 11:50 AM |
Toyota's Philosophy
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KiddJoey [/i]
[B]...maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?![/B][/QUOTE]Good point about Salo and McNish doing yeoman's work, testing the cars for a year, then racing them a year, then getting fired, surprisingly. Although McNish didn't really seem to take to the pressures of an F1 race weekend, I thought Salo deserved another season.
Still Panis and da Matta are an excellent pairing. Panis will be retired by Toyota I would guess, but I would hope that da Matta be given another season, and hopefully with a team better than Toyota.
The Toyota chassis is one of the heavier chassis on the circuit, apparently. And development is surprisingly slow, in light of the large budget they have. While many teams have new bits and pieces now, (Williams had significant aero upgrades debutting last weekend, McLaren had a whole new car, Renault had new rear suspension in France, BAR debuts new aero this weekend), Toyota are waiting til Germany (July 23-25) to debut a lighter chassis.
While da Matta had a stellar drive last year at Silverstone, he and Panis are saddled with a boat anchor of a chassis this year. Must be very frustrating for them this weekend.
[B]...maybe Toyota will figure out that the driver is not the problem ?![/B][/QUOTE]Good point about Salo and McNish doing yeoman's work, testing the cars for a year, then racing them a year, then getting fired, surprisingly. Although McNish didn't really seem to take to the pressures of an F1 race weekend, I thought Salo deserved another season.
Still Panis and da Matta are an excellent pairing. Panis will be retired by Toyota I would guess, but I would hope that da Matta be given another season, and hopefully with a team better than Toyota.
The Toyota chassis is one of the heavier chassis on the circuit, apparently. And development is surprisingly slow, in light of the large budget they have. While many teams have new bits and pieces now, (Williams had significant aero upgrades debutting last weekend, McLaren had a whole new car, Renault had new rear suspension in France, BAR debuts new aero this weekend), Toyota are waiting til Germany (July 23-25) to debut a lighter chassis.
While da Matta had a stellar drive last year at Silverstone, he and Panis are saddled with a boat anchor of a chassis this year. Must be very frustrating for them this weekend.
| rupertberr | 07-09-2004 11:54 AM |
Re: Fisi's Sauber 2nd Fastest in Practice!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B]Things that make you go hmmm...
Fisi's motor broke in the 1st session, so he will lose 10 spots on the grid come Sunday. But it was dry today, and he ran 2nd fastest in practice, and then hopped out and raved about the pace of his Sauber.[URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=159476]raved about the pace of his Sauber[/URL].
Now I wish I had chosen Giancarlo for some points, but instead I went with all Ferrari, followed by Michelin runners.
Here's is who guessed Fisi would grab points:[list][*]rupertberr guessed Fisi 8th[*]AndyRoo guessed Fisi 8th[*]pio!pio! guessed Fisi 8th[*]ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/list]Good job, guys! If Fisi's Sauber stays together on Sunday afternoon, he could finish well. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yea, but did you see my other picks?:lol:
Fisi was dreaming he was in the Ferrari already.:cool:
[B]Things that make you go hmmm...
Fisi's motor broke in the 1st session, so he will lose 10 spots on the grid come Sunday. But it was dry today, and he ran 2nd fastest in practice, and then hopped out and raved about the pace of his Sauber.[URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=159476]raved about the pace of his Sauber[/URL].
Now I wish I had chosen Giancarlo for some points, but instead I went with all Ferrari, followed by Michelin runners.
Here's is who guessed Fisi would grab points:[list][*]rupertberr guessed Fisi 8th[*]AndyRoo guessed Fisi 8th[*]pio!pio! guessed Fisi 8th[*]ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/list]Good job, guys! If Fisi's Sauber stays together on Sunday afternoon, he could finish well. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yea, but did you see my other picks?:lol:
Fisi was dreaming he was in the Ferrari already.:cool:
| gtguy | 07-11-2004 04:19 PM |
Another Sunday, another can of...
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Man, what to say about Schumacher. My picks were ALL wrong. The one-stop worked for the Saubers, and the McLaren is suddenly resurgent. Ferrari must have been freaking when the safety car came out, because of the advantage that the Michelins have in the first three laps of a stint.
But Schumacher just drove a little faster, in a heavier car, no less, and did what he usually does.
Alonso was busier than a one-armed paper hanger. I wish that Barrichello had the speed that he always says that he has. He's fast, but not quite fast enough. That would have been a good battle between he and Raikkonen.
Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction, and does anyone think they reduced the revs on Sato's car? :lol: "If you can't drive like a civilised person, we're going to take some revs away, you turkey!"
Trulli's crash was scary. Anyone wondering about the strength of a modern F1 car need wonder no longer. Man, that was ugly.
But all in all, another workmanlike Ferrari victory. I thought it was funny that they've stopped development on the 2004 car, too. But the rules being up in the air for next year, means that they can't really develop the 2005 car that they already have, to its fullest. Brawn admitted that, as the rules are understood at present, the 2005 car wouldn't pass muster.
Kevin
But Schumacher just drove a little faster, in a heavier car, no less, and did what he usually does.
Alonso was busier than a one-armed paper hanger. I wish that Barrichello had the speed that he always says that he has. He's fast, but not quite fast enough. That would have been a good battle between he and Raikkonen.
Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction, and does anyone think they reduced the revs on Sato's car? :lol: "If you can't drive like a civilised person, we're going to take some revs away, you turkey!"
Trulli's crash was scary. Anyone wondering about the strength of a modern F1 car need wonder no longer. Man, that was ugly.
But all in all, another workmanlike Ferrari victory. I thought it was funny that they've stopped development on the 2004 car, too. But the rules being up in the air for next year, means that they can't really develop the 2005 car that they already have, to its fullest. Brawn admitted that, as the rules are understood at present, the 2005 car wouldn't pass muster.
Kevin
| bal00 | 07-11-2004 04:44 PM |
Re: Another Sunday, another can of...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction, and does anyone think they reduced the revs on Sato's car? :lol: "If you can't drive like a civilised person, we're going to take some revs away, you turkey!"[/B][/QUOTE]
Apparently they figured it out meanwhile. Rumor has it that Sato driving over high curbs (rear wheels in the air) caused the engine to overrev momentarily.
[B]Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction, and does anyone think they reduced the revs on Sato's car? :lol: "If you can't drive like a civilised person, we're going to take some revs away, you turkey!"[/B][/QUOTE]
Apparently they figured it out meanwhile. Rumor has it that Sato driving over high curbs (rear wheels in the air) caused the engine to overrev momentarily.
| OnTheGas | 07-11-2004 08:38 PM |
Re: Another Sunday, another can of...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...Ferrari must have been freaking when the safety car came out... (b)ut Schumacher just drove a little faster, in a heavier car, no less...[/B][/QUOTE] No, Schumacher's car should not have been any heavier than his competition. When the field received the green flag again on lap 46, Schumacher, and everyone else, drove straight to the checkers without pitting for fuel.
Though Schumacher is a great driver, we need not embellish his performances, even unintentionally. :) His performances stand well enough on their own merits.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction[/B][/QUOTE] I wonder if [b]BAR[/b] has reached its zenith in F1. The 2nd half of this season will tell us the strength of the BAR team.
I mention this only because I believe that BAR's primary advantage was that they had designed this season's car last summer, when they were running the more narrow (read legal) tread width of the Bridgestone front tire. While the other Michelin runners had designed their '04 cars last summer for the wider tread of the Michelin front tire of the time. Then, after Hungary (in late August when most design work been finalized), FIA announced that they would inspect tread width after each race. So last November, when BAR announced their switch to Michelin race rubber in 2004, their car became the only 2004 Michelin runner, (besides possibly Renault who designs on a 2 year cycle apparently), which was designed to work well on the legal, narrower front tread width.
Now that the mid-season improvements have been implemented, I wonder if BAR will have the speed to be podium material? F1 is primarily a team sport, so if BAR can score a few more podium placements between now and the end of the season, it would indicate that Dave Richards has built a top class F1 team. I hope that he has, but the proof is in the pudding...
[b]Fisichella[/b] put in a nice drive... Does anyone know what it is about his driving technique that makes him a little different from the other drivers? (I've heard this mentioned, but not explained.)
I would hope to see Fisi in a Williams seat next season, next to Weber. Gene did not have the pace, unfortunately.
[B]...Ferrari must have been freaking when the safety car came out... (b)ut Schumacher just drove a little faster, in a heavier car, no less...[/B][/QUOTE] No, Schumacher's car should not have been any heavier than his competition. When the field received the green flag again on lap 46, Schumacher, and everyone else, drove straight to the checkers without pitting for fuel.
Though Schumacher is a great driver, we need not embellish his performances, even unintentionally. :) His performances stand well enough on their own merits.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...Button and BAR are going in the wrong direction[/B][/QUOTE] I wonder if [b]BAR[/b] has reached its zenith in F1. The 2nd half of this season will tell us the strength of the BAR team.
I mention this only because I believe that BAR's primary advantage was that they had designed this season's car last summer, when they were running the more narrow (read legal) tread width of the Bridgestone front tire. While the other Michelin runners had designed their '04 cars last summer for the wider tread of the Michelin front tire of the time. Then, after Hungary (in late August when most design work been finalized), FIA announced that they would inspect tread width after each race. So last November, when BAR announced their switch to Michelin race rubber in 2004, their car became the only 2004 Michelin runner, (besides possibly Renault who designs on a 2 year cycle apparently), which was designed to work well on the legal, narrower front tread width.
Now that the mid-season improvements have been implemented, I wonder if BAR will have the speed to be podium material? F1 is primarily a team sport, so if BAR can score a few more podium placements between now and the end of the season, it would indicate that Dave Richards has built a top class F1 team. I hope that he has, but the proof is in the pudding...
[b]Fisichella[/b] put in a nice drive... Does anyone know what it is about his driving technique that makes him a little different from the other drivers? (I've heard this mentioned, but not explained.)
I would hope to see Fisi in a Williams seat next season, next to Weber. Gene did not have the pace, unfortunately.
| finnRex | 07-11-2004 09:32 PM |
It's about stinkin' time McLaren steps up with a car good enough for Kimi. Glad to see him podium, after all the blowups this season(literally). If they can just get a few more hp, I think Kimi could give Michael a good run(not for a championship this season, but race by race). Ferrari just seem to have a wicked motor that pulls away on the long stretches. Go Kimi!
Mika
Mika
| ArtGecko | 07-11-2004 10:29 PM |
Re: Fisi's Sauber 2nd Fastest in Practice!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B]Things that make you go hmmm...
ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/B][/QUOTE]
And got him in the correct place! Good for him. I'd sure like to see him have a real opportunity to shine.
50 points for me again this week! That ought to help drag me out of the bottom along with last week's 52 points.
Steve
[B]Things that make you go hmmm...
ArtGecko was most aggressive, guessing Fisi 6th[/B][/QUOTE]
And got him in the correct place! Good for him. I'd sure like to see him have a real opportunity to shine.
50 points for me again this week! That ought to help drag me out of the bottom along with last week's 52 points.
Steve
| Bottom Feeder | 07-11-2004 10:42 PM |
Question: How many more years is Schumacher's contract with Ferrari?
I'm only a casual F-1 fan, being more into MotoGP and Superbike. But there's nothing more boring than having the same guy with the same ride year after year, especially when they dominate like Schumacher is doing. It's like Mick Doohan on the NSR500 back in the 90's- same rider, same bike, same results (wins) race after race. Mick himself said it best back then: "Racing right now is boring as (ish)."
Although I'm in awe of Schumacher's incredible talent and Ferrari's techinical and race-management brilliance, this season has really turned me off. I don't mind seeing the same faces year after year, just put them in different cars for chrissakes. I'm glad that Coulthard, Montoya, and Ralf are all moving around, but they're all going to rides that aren't as competitive as the ones they have this year, and none of them have the talent and charisma to turn a dog of a car into a race winner. The only guy I can see being able to do that is Michael Schumacher. He did it at Benetton, he did it for Ferrari, now I just wish he'd take a risk and do it at Toyota. They have deep pockets, don't they?
I'm only a casual F-1 fan, being more into MotoGP and Superbike. But there's nothing more boring than having the same guy with the same ride year after year, especially when they dominate like Schumacher is doing. It's like Mick Doohan on the NSR500 back in the 90's- same rider, same bike, same results (wins) race after race. Mick himself said it best back then: "Racing right now is boring as (ish)."
Although I'm in awe of Schumacher's incredible talent and Ferrari's techinical and race-management brilliance, this season has really turned me off. I don't mind seeing the same faces year after year, just put them in different cars for chrissakes. I'm glad that Coulthard, Montoya, and Ralf are all moving around, but they're all going to rides that aren't as competitive as the ones they have this year, and none of them have the talent and charisma to turn a dog of a car into a race winner. The only guy I can see being able to do that is Michael Schumacher. He did it at Benetton, he did it for Ferrari, now I just wish he'd take a risk and do it at Toyota. They have deep pockets, don't they?
| erich_sc | 07-12-2004 02:14 AM |
Wow, great job McLaren. Now that is a comeback. Keep it up, and go BAR! (still a Ferrari fan, just would love to see others win too)
| AndyRoo | 07-12-2004 08:13 AM |
Interesting race. Good job by Fisi, Webber, and Kimi.
Kimi says he'll be winning races by the end of the season. Anyone believe him?
Kimi says he'll be winning races by the end of the season. Anyone believe him?
| bal00 | 07-12-2004 08:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bottom Feeder [/i]
[B]Question: How many more years is Schumacher's contract with Ferrari?[/B][/QUOTE]
Until the end of '06. There's a good chance he'll retire after that. No reason for him to leave "la familia" at Ferrari. Money isn't important anymore.
[B]Question: How many more years is Schumacher's contract with Ferrari?[/B][/QUOTE]
Until the end of '06. There's a good chance he'll retire after that. No reason for him to leave "la familia" at Ferrari. Money isn't important anymore.
| Dussander | 07-12-2004 09:59 AM |
[QUOTE] I'm glad that Coulthard, Montoya, and Ralf are all moving around, but they're all going to rides that aren't as competitive as the ones they have this year[/QUOTE]
Montoya's next year ride is looking better then the Williams at the moment.
Montoya's next year ride is looking better then the Williams at the moment.
| gtguy | 07-12-2004 12:00 PM |
Re: Re: Another Sunday, another can of...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B]No, Schumacher's car should not have been any heavier than his competition. When the field received the green flag again on lap 46, Schumacher, and everyone else, drove straight to the checkers without pitting for fuel.
Though Schumacher is a great driver, we need not embellish his performances, even unintentionally. :) His performances stand well enough on their own merits.
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What I was thinking, OTG, was that he had just stopped, and because he was running a two-stopper, had to take on more fuel than Raikkonen, who was nearing the opening of his pit window (he would need less fuel, having stopped later than Schumacher) when the safety car came out. Couple that with the safety car period, and I'd imagine Ferrari finished the race with about five laps worth of fuel in the F2004.
Or is my math crazed?
Kevin
[B]No, Schumacher's car should not have been any heavier than his competition. When the field received the green flag again on lap 46, Schumacher, and everyone else, drove straight to the checkers without pitting for fuel.
Though Schumacher is a great driver, we need not embellish his performances, even unintentionally. :) His performances stand well enough on their own merits.
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What I was thinking, OTG, was that he had just stopped, and because he was running a two-stopper, had to take on more fuel than Raikkonen, who was nearing the opening of his pit window (he would need less fuel, having stopped later than Schumacher) when the safety car came out. Couple that with the safety car period, and I'd imagine Ferrari finished the race with about five laps worth of fuel in the F2004.
Or is my math crazed?
Kevin
| driggity | 07-12-2004 12:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B] What I was thinking, OTG, was that he had just stopped, and because he was running a two-stopper, had to take on more fuel than Raikkonen, who was nearing the opening of his pit window (he would need less fuel, having stopped later than Schumacher) when the safety car came out. Couple that with the safety car period, and I'd imagine Ferrari finished the race with about five laps worth of fuel in the F2004.
Or is my math crazed?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, since Mclaren didn't know how long the safety car period was going to be they probably put close to enough fuel into the car for Kimi to complete the race under full race conditions. If so then he would have been quite close to what Michael was running in terms of fuel load. Of course they could have gambled that it would be a long caution and put in less fuel but it didn't seem to be an extra short stop.
[B] What I was thinking, OTG, was that he had just stopped, and because he was running a two-stopper, had to take on more fuel than Raikkonen, who was nearing the opening of his pit window (he would need less fuel, having stopped later than Schumacher) when the safety car came out. Couple that with the safety car period, and I'd imagine Ferrari finished the race with about five laps worth of fuel in the F2004.
Or is my math crazed?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, since Mclaren didn't know how long the safety car period was going to be they probably put close to enough fuel into the car for Kimi to complete the race under full race conditions. If so then he would have been quite close to what Michael was running in terms of fuel load. Of course they could have gambled that it would be a long caution and put in less fuel but it didn't seem to be an extra short stop.
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