| ebrake_n | 05-01-2006 09:46 AM |
Tornado Fuel Saver.. ever use it?
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Has anyone tried this gadget? Does it really work and is worth the $$? If you have it can you post some number on mileage. Thanks :confused:
I could really use some more $ in my pocket.. to spend one more goodies for my car, so the gas has got to be saved.. and i just can't seem to get my foot to lighten up off the gas peddle :devil:
I could really use some more $ in my pocket.. to spend one more goodies for my car, so the gas has got to be saved.. and i just can't seem to get my foot to lighten up off the gas peddle :devil:
| Sausage | 05-01-2006 10:00 AM |
I believe this does the same thing as a CAI... it just sneaks some extra air past your MAF via turbulance and causes your car to run leaner.
I did this on my old cavalier once...put a resistor in the MAF sensor bung so it would read less air then was actually coming in...
Anything that messes with your MAF readings will kill your car...stay away from it
I did this on my old cavalier once...put a resistor in the MAF sensor bung so it would read less air then was actually coming in...
Anything that messes with your MAF readings will kill your car...stay away from it
| john_matrix | 05-01-2006 10:04 AM |
Stay away from the tornado, it is snake oil.
Did you really buy a wrx for fuel economy?
And you are going to save up for more go fast mods, only to use more gas speeding around then? Weird logic.
Just suck it up and floor it. It's worth the extra $5-10 a week. :)
Did you really buy a wrx for fuel economy?
And you are going to save up for more go fast mods, only to use more gas speeding around then? Weird logic.
Just suck it up and floor it. It's worth the extra $5-10 a week. :)
| InfamousDX | 05-01-2006 10:36 AM |
Yea I use it... with my g42r setup. Gave me about 20whp up top. I'd recommend it!
| srascal36 | 05-01-2006 11:49 AM |
Putting something in your intake tract = blocking air
my guess is it would mess up your maf readings and give you worse mileage
my guess is it would mess up your maf readings and give you worse mileage
| InfamousDX | 05-01-2006 12:29 PM |
With this thing I'm pushing some serious maf voltage... 4.9 by 3800 rpm. It's a monster....
| Zumble | 05-01-2006 12:37 PM |
I have two of these inline right now. You have to modify the maf tube but I got 5 more PSI and my AFRs are a solid 17:1 at redline now! be sure to get the blade angles correct when installing these inline though. The blades have to be offset to accelerate the air rather than block it.
If you like the tornado you should try the active boost fluid from the same makers are the tornado. You add it to your oil and it increases boost in the turbo as the oil passes through the turbo. It didn't make as big a difference as the tornado but it was good for 1psi of boost. Well worth it as it adds up. Currently running the stock TD04 turbo at 19psi, no engine management, and solid 17:1 afrs. I think I can push it up to 18:1 then take it to a dyno. I can't wait!
If you like the tornado you should try the active boost fluid from the same makers are the tornado. You add it to your oil and it increases boost in the turbo as the oil passes through the turbo. It didn't make as big a difference as the tornado but it was good for 1psi of boost. Well worth it as it adds up. Currently running the stock TD04 turbo at 19psi, no engine management, and solid 17:1 afrs. I think I can push it up to 18:1 then take it to a dyno. I can't wait!
| Gheorghe | 05-01-2006 12:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Zumble]I have two of these inline right now. You have to modify the maf tube but I got 5 more PSI and my AFRs are a solid 17:1 at redline now! be sure to get the blade angles correct when installing these inline though. The blades have to be offset to accelerate the air rather than block it.
If you like the tornado you should try the active boost fluid from the same makers are the tornado. You add it to your oil and it increases boost in the turbo as the oil passes through the turbo. It didn't make as big a difference as the tornado but it was good for 1psi of boost. Well worth it as it adds up. Currently running the stock TD04 turbo at 19psi, no engine management, and solid 17:1 afrs. I think I can push it up to 18:1 then take it to a dyno. I can't wait![/QUOTE]
Did you adjust your canuter valve with the addition of the second tornado. I heard that the extra velocity from the second set of blades can get weird reading on the seismograph and it can actually make it run on 4.5 cylinders, weird. We don�t want that for the all out performance as it can cause premature failure to the inclinometer solenoid.
If you like the tornado you should try the active boost fluid from the same makers are the tornado. You add it to your oil and it increases boost in the turbo as the oil passes through the turbo. It didn't make as big a difference as the tornado but it was good for 1psi of boost. Well worth it as it adds up. Currently running the stock TD04 turbo at 19psi, no engine management, and solid 17:1 afrs. I think I can push it up to 18:1 then take it to a dyno. I can't wait![/QUOTE]
Did you adjust your canuter valve with the addition of the second tornado. I heard that the extra velocity from the second set of blades can get weird reading on the seismograph and it can actually make it run on 4.5 cylinders, weird. We don�t want that for the all out performance as it can cause premature failure to the inclinometer solenoid.
| aprazma | 05-01-2006 01:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Zumble]If you like the tornado you should try the active boost fluid from the same makers are the tornado. You add it to your oil and it increases boost in the turbo as the oil passes through the turbo. It didn't make as big a difference as the tornado but it was good for 1psi of boost. Well worth it as it adds up. Currently running the stock TD04 turbo at 19psi, no engine management, and solid 17:1 afrs. I think I can push it up to 18:1 then take it to a dyno. I can't wait![/QUOTE]
Hook me up with some of that "boost fluid." LMAO.
Hook me up with some of that "boost fluid." LMAO.
| Padge | 05-01-2006 01:16 PM |
I would recommend that when you install this you make sure your headlight fluid is topped off since you will be in the same vicinity.
| Zumble | 05-01-2006 01:25 PM |
I would top off headlight and blinker fluid to make sure you're visible at night when using the increased power. Careful with the boost fluid, it will eat your paint. The blinker and headlight fluids make your hands glow at night if you don't wash it off with lime juice.
| littlewhitewagon | 05-01-2006 01:43 PM |
Please stop....my stomach hurts... will these mods work with my Rally JDM muffler bearings???
| Zumble | 05-01-2006 02:03 PM |
No, they will not work. The JDM muffler bearings will not work with the tornado system I'm sorry. The tornado system spins the air clockwise.. Your JDM muffler bearings cause the engine to spin the air counter-clockwise because of the right hand drive. The opposed air spinning would cause turbulance and increase the compression ratio and would possibly reflash your ECU.
This thread is in the wrong forum.. =) But anyways.. :lol:
[QUOTE=littlewhitewagon]Please stop....my stomache hurts... will these mods work with my Rally JDM muffler bearings???[/QUOTE]
This thread is in the wrong forum.. =) But anyways.. :lol:
[QUOTE=littlewhitewagon]Please stop....my stomache hurts... will these mods work with my Rally JDM muffler bearings???[/QUOTE]
| InfamousDX | 05-01-2006 02:37 PM |
what the hell is a stomachE
| tizzaput | 05-01-2006 02:38 PM |
Awesome
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I put one in and instantly got 20 more WHP!!!! However a few weeks later my piston return springs prematurely failed, so beware.
| Zumble | 05-01-2006 02:43 PM |
There have been a few threads on this. It seems the 02/03 EJ20s had weak piston return springs. The solution is upgrading to titanium piston return springs. The increased spring rate will hurt your low end a bit but the increased recoil will give you VTEC like highend.
[img]http://www.onoffroad.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/TiSpring.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=tizzaput]I put one in and instantly got 20 more WHP!!!! However a few weeks later my piston return springs prematurely failed, so beware.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.onoffroad.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/TiSpring.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=tizzaput]I put one in and instantly got 20 more WHP!!!! However a few weeks later my piston return springs prematurely failed, so beware.[/QUOTE]
| Neejay | 05-01-2006 05:00 PM |
You guys are dirty....LOL
| nate49509 | 05-01-2006 05:23 PM |
Tornado FTW? :confused: :lol:
| Mosca | 05-01-2006 05:24 PM |
Don't waste your money; you can make something at home that will give you the same results using a 2 liter soda bottle, a smaller quart sized bottle, and a 16 oz bottle (but not a coke bottle, the shape is wrong). Cut off the bottom of the bottles, nest them inside each other, and put them inline in your fuel line but after the filter.
For me, the imagined seat-of-the-pants effect was the same as it was for what I imagined the Tornado to do; 37.552 extra hp, and some really great goggle eyed looks when my boizz saw the great stickers I made for my fender with my digital camera.
FEAR the BOTTLEZ.
For me, the imagined seat-of-the-pants effect was the same as it was for what I imagined the Tornado to do; 37.552 extra hp, and some really great goggle eyed looks when my boizz saw the great stickers I made for my fender with my digital camera.
FEAR the BOTTLEZ.
| ebrake_n | 05-01-2006 07:41 PM |
LOL what a riot some of these ppl are :P
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.
| Zumble | 05-01-2006 08:03 PM |
Again don't bother.. Stay out of boost. Sorry you have a turbo engine with awd, you're f*cked either way. When off boost, it's a low compression engine, when on boost it drinks gas.. awd eats up more gas. Just stay out of boost and take the less of two evils.
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[QUOTE=ebrake_n]LOL what a riot some of these ppl are :P
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ebrake_n]LOL what a riot some of these ppl are :P
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.[/QUOTE]
| adam_m_mcinerney | 05-01-2006 08:37 PM |
If you truly want better mpg make sure you change the winter air out of you tires. Summer air definately helps out. As far as the muffler bearings go. You have to watch out for that anyways. If you ever decide to drive down to Mexico and go south of the equator the air will start spinning the other way lower your compression and you will start throwing valve recoil springs through your valve cover.
| srascal36 | 05-01-2006 08:48 PM |
try that new waterproof coolant too...
| imma_stocker | 05-01-2006 08:49 PM |
it works better if you spit on it.
you can also smash a champagne bottle across your front end, like they did on the Titanic. that thing did well . . . :rolleyes:
seriously though, tornado won't work because the air is supposed to be spun to accelerate the flow but our wonderful turbos are spinning too so even the baby td04 negates its effects. and i think they will only work with turbos in the i/c piping as in fmic. they have all been tested on NA cars lacking the efficiency boosting charger. just lose weight, esp on the right foot, if you wanna save gas. sometimes i just take out the pass and/or backseat which also fixes the "can i have a ride too" problem.
you can also smash a champagne bottle across your front end, like they did on the Titanic. that thing did well . . . :rolleyes:
seriously though, tornado won't work because the air is supposed to be spun to accelerate the flow but our wonderful turbos are spinning too so even the baby td04 negates its effects. and i think they will only work with turbos in the i/c piping as in fmic. they have all been tested on NA cars lacking the efficiency boosting charger. just lose weight, esp on the right foot, if you wanna save gas. sometimes i just take out the pass and/or backseat which also fixes the "can i have a ride too" problem.
| tizzaput | 05-01-2006 08:54 PM |
Ahhh yes, but don't you have to upgrade the phetzer valve to a JDM Type C Spec?
| hocman99 | 05-01-2006 09:05 PM |
worthless
| Neejay | 05-01-2006 11:52 PM |
[QUOTE=ebrake_n]LOL what a riot some of these ppl are :P
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.[/QUOTE]
Well, if it's gonna make your car run rich by blocking air, you're gonna lose gas mileage :)
I'm not trying to gain hp, just up my mileage when on long roadtrips.[/QUOTE]
Well, if it's gonna make your car run rich by blocking air, you're gonna lose gas mileage :)
| STiLED | 05-02-2006 12:06 AM |
this thread is the best!!
| brcewane | 05-02-2006 08:01 AM |
make sure to pickup some cross-drilled brake lines while you are at it... You will need the extra stopping power with the extra HP the Tornado gives you.
| littlewhitewagon | 05-02-2006 11:58 AM |
[QUOTE=Zumble]No, they will not work. The JDM muffler bearings will not work with the tornado system I'm sorry. The tornado system spins the air clockwise.. Your JDM muffler bearings cause the engine to spin the air counter-clockwise because of the right hand drive. The opposed air spinning would cause turbulance and increase the compression ratio and would possibly reflash your ECU.
This thread is in the wrong forum.. =) But anyways.. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I heard this high pitched sound when i stepped on the gas followed by some hesitation. Will EM fix this problem?
This thread is in the wrong forum.. =) But anyways.. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I heard this high pitched sound when i stepped on the gas followed by some hesitation. Will EM fix this problem?
| Neejay | 05-02-2006 12:20 PM |
[QUOTE=littlewhitewagon]Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I heard this high pitched sound when i stepped on the gas followed by some hesitation. Will EM fix this problem?[/QUOTE]
No, that's that w00t w000000000000000000000t
No, that's that w00t w000000000000000000000t
| Zumble | 05-02-2006 03:27 PM |
No, but I think there is a JDM market tornado device. It may be hard to souce but it can be done. This is a mechanical problem much like boost creep that can not be addressed via engine management. Don't quote me on this, but I heard Cobb is coming out with a stage 2.75 map for WRXs. That's sti injectors, VF34, and tornado with supporting stage 2 mods. They are working on tuning down the map for public consumption. Something about ripping the tread right off the tires on the dyno when boost hit at 1500rpm.
[QUOTE=littlewhitewagon]Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I heard this high pitched sound when i stepped on the gas followed by some hesitation. Will EM fix this problem?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=littlewhitewagon]Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering why I heard this high pitched sound when i stepped on the gas followed by some hesitation. Will EM fix this problem?[/QUOTE]
| runwrxrun | 05-02-2006 09:00 PM |
PSI @ 50f/20r and I'm also running straight decaf no cream. Will this work?
Current mods:
-jdm air freshener dry carbon
-P&P A/C ducts
-245/40/24 racing shoes
-'carbon fiber look' hood and decklid
-electric supercharger
-jdm star light star brights
-P&P: 2 dimes, 4 quarters, 18 pennies, and 9 arcade tokens in my drilled and slotted coin tray
-direct shot of sucrose (only for autoxing)
Current mods:
-jdm air freshener dry carbon
-P&P A/C ducts
-245/40/24 racing shoes
-'carbon fiber look' hood and decklid
-electric supercharger
-jdm star light star brights
-P&P: 2 dimes, 4 quarters, 18 pennies, and 9 arcade tokens in my drilled and slotted coin tray
-direct shot of sucrose (only for autoxing)
| Need BB | 05-02-2006 10:55 PM |
It works real well and gives better acceleration. Drive into it and you go from 0-200 real fast.
| rotaman | 05-02-2006 11:22 PM |
dont forget to check your blinker fluid. if its dirty or low it can really kill your mpg!
| Gheorghe | 05-04-2006 07:48 AM |
[QUOTE=adam_m_mcinerney]If you truly want better mpg make sure you change the winter air out of you tires. Summer air definately helps out. [/QUOTE]
The funny thing about that is if you actually change your air in your tires and fill them with nitrogen you will supposedly help gas mileage. Nitrogen can be found at any belle tire and other good tire places, so if you want to get about two or three more miles out of a gas tank that might be a way to go. Besides that nitrogen molecules are bigger than air molecules and they don't contract and expand as much as air at different temperatures, this will help with tire longevity as well. Other than that stay off the boost and you'll see some better mileage��.but what�s the fun in that. If you wanted gas mileage you should have bought a VW Jetta Diesel and you could have squeezed 50MPG or better.
The funny thing about that is if you actually change your air in your tires and fill them with nitrogen you will supposedly help gas mileage. Nitrogen can be found at any belle tire and other good tire places, so if you want to get about two or three more miles out of a gas tank that might be a way to go. Besides that nitrogen molecules are bigger than air molecules and they don't contract and expand as much as air at different temperatures, this will help with tire longevity as well. Other than that stay off the boost and you'll see some better mileage��.but what�s the fun in that. If you wanted gas mileage you should have bought a VW Jetta Diesel and you could have squeezed 50MPG or better.
| 2006STI | 05-04-2006 08:22 AM |
i've tried the muffler bearing mod and the blinker fluid mod and let me tell you it DOES work. here is where i bought it from.
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3[/url]
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2[/url]
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| samesk8r | 05-04-2006 11:43 AM |
[QUOTE=InfamousDX]what the hell is a stomachE[/QUOTE]
I hear that's how they spell it in Canada. Oh, and I heard they Russian, unless an American is around, then they act all "America". That why they say things wrong.
:mad: dirty communists :mad:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
I hear that's how they spell it in Canada. Oh, and I heard they Russian, unless an American is around, then they act all "America". That why they say things wrong.
:mad: dirty communists :mad:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
| cb0y1 | 05-04-2006 12:12 PM |
I think the real problem with airflow spin direction is these things are built at some cheap factory in Taiwan, things in the southern hemisphere spin in the opposite direction, for proof just flush the toilet (after dropping in the tornado of course)
| littlewhitewagon | 05-04-2006 12:19 PM |
[QUOTE=2006STI]i've tried the muffler bearing mod and the blinker fluid mod and let me tell you it DOES work. here is where i bought it from.
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3[/url]
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2[/url][/QUOTE]
this place sells stuff that really makes a difference, thanks for the links!
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3[/url]
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2[/url][/QUOTE]
this place sells stuff that really makes a difference, thanks for the links!
| CandEfurball | 05-04-2006 02:15 PM |
Ok ok the point is made....ROFL
Seriously what are you guys seeing in mpg's? My 02 is getting around 27mpg as long as its mainly interstate and of course little or no boost 70-75mph cruise.
Seriously what are you guys seeing in mpg's? My 02 is getting around 27mpg as long as its mainly interstate and of course little or no boost 70-75mph cruise.
| littlewhitewagon | 05-12-2006 02:01 PM |
i get about 18-22 with mixed driving...not hard, but its hard to stay off boost in an 06. the best I have seen is about 25. I am going to drive straight shot to phoenix later next week, I'll see what I can do to keep it under 70mph...difficult for a 4.25 hour drive.
| Sausage | 05-12-2006 02:35 PM |
[QUOTE=2006STI]i've tried the muffler bearing mod and the blinker fluid mod and let me tell you it DOES work. here is where i bought it from.
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3[/url]
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2[/url][/QUOTE]
I tried to buy the "god of subwoofers" but it wouldn't let me check out...
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3[/url]
[url]http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2[/url][/QUOTE]
I tried to buy the "god of subwoofers" but it wouldn't let me check out...
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