| wakeboarder109 | 04-24-2006 08:20 PM |
02-03 Wagon Carbon Hatch
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Does anyone know who could be contacted to have a cf hatch made?
| yerrow | 04-24-2006 09:44 PM |
act of god
| Blk_on_Blk_Wgn | 04-24-2006 09:51 PM |
It has been discussed before...to get someone to one-off a peice as complicated as the hatch you are going to have to spend way to much for it to be disireable. I think your best course of action is to rally anyone who would want one of these to sign or commit to something. Then contact a big company like Seibon and show them it would be worth while for them to produce it. my.02
-Blk_
-Blk_
| wakeboarder109 | 04-24-2006 10:09 PM |
If anyone is interested in a CF hatch for the 02-03 Wagon, I plan on contacting Seibon to see how much it would cost to make everything happen. Obviously the more people we get the greater the chance we'll be able to make it happen. Post a reply if your interested.
| natoli4 | 04-24-2006 10:52 PM |
count me in as long as we are not talking rediculous cash. Also, can they somehow make it so it has sound deading in it (foam filled)? I cant take all that squeaking...while they are at it they might as well make a carbon wing with a pinch of down force!!!! ya!!!
| 99subi | 04-24-2006 10:53 PM |
[QUOTE=yerrow]act of god[/QUOTE]
:lol:
:lol:
| chrisarella | 04-24-2006 11:11 PM |
Lets see how many people we get interested in this before I commit. I'm interested, I'm just not willing to shell out 20k for one. :lol:
I do know what is involved with creating a new carbon fiber piece, and it costs a company tens of thousands to create the mold for a piece like this. You'll definately want it hand laid, and vaccuum cured under heat to remove as many voids as possible. I know some will say body panels don't need as much structural strength to be heated, but I'm traveling with my kids and would require it to have strength.
Ditto on the spoiler. A waiste spoiler option would be rockin also. :banana:
I do know what is involved with creating a new carbon fiber piece, and it costs a company tens of thousands to create the mold for a piece like this. You'll definately want it hand laid, and vaccuum cured under heat to remove as many voids as possible. I know some will say body panels don't need as much structural strength to be heated, but I'm traveling with my kids and would require it to have strength.
Ditto on the spoiler. A waiste spoiler option would be rockin also. :banana:
| 99subi | 04-24-2006 11:14 PM |
id get one becuase stock is heavy but im broke right now so dont count me in
| CoopsCustomz | 04-25-2006 02:29 AM |
[QUOTE=99subi]id get one becuase stock is heavy but im broke right now so dont count me in[/QUOTE]
ditto, fa sho
double ditto on the spoiler. It's about time us wagoneers get a spoiler option.... :banana:
ditto, fa sho
double ditto on the spoiler. It's about time us wagoneers get a spoiler option.... :banana:
| 02redwagone | 04-25-2006 02:53 AM |
somewhat interested. The more stuff the better.
| DjRez4 | 04-25-2006 11:38 AM |
Sure, why not? They make it for the Z..
| STiwaggen? | 04-25-2006 11:42 AM |
i'm mos def in!
| wakeboarder109 | 04-25-2006 12:50 PM |
I emailed Seibon this morning so I'll keep you all posted.
| elsanto | 04-25-2006 01:00 PM |
why not just wrap the stock one in CF? lots of people have done fenders etc. if its just the look.. if its weight savings.. im not sure how light they can make it and still hold the glass solid. i've had 2 CF hoods on my car, the kaminari weighed MORE than the stock aluminum one, and was very sturdy, and the SEIBON one was lighter than the stock, but got spider cracks in it from normal use...
| rst4me | 04-25-2006 01:06 PM |
[url]http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477700[/url]
some where in this long ars post he mentions making hatch lids.
You might want to get ahold of him.
I love the uk sights for hands on technical info. Alot more do it your self type people there.
some where in this long ars post he mentions making hatch lids.
You might want to get ahold of him.
I love the uk sights for hands on technical info. Alot more do it your self type people there.
| elsanto | 04-25-2006 01:14 PM |
[url]http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477700&page=5[/url]
thats the page. he lists a contact for the boot lid also.
thats the page. he lists a contact for the boot lid also.
| Blk_on_Blk_Wgn | 04-25-2006 06:02 PM |
[QUOTE=elsanto]why not just wrap the stock one in CF? lots of people have done fenders etc. if its just the look.. if its weight savings.. im not sure how light they can make it and still hold the glass solid. i've had 2 CF hoods on my car, the kaminari weighed MORE than the stock aluminum one, and was very sturdy, and the SEIBON one was lighter than the stock, but got spider cracks in it from normal use...[/QUOTE]
The rear hatches are Steel so a CF would be lighter..
The rear hatches are Steel so a CF would be lighter..
| MikalsWRX | 04-25-2006 10:08 PM |
HERE IS AN EMAIL I GOT FROM A COMPANY THAT WOULD BE WILLing to do it.
Hello Mikal,
The toolings would first need to be made from the original OEM hatch.
This process takes about 2 weeks from start to finish. After that each
hatch will take approx 2 days to produce. It's faster to make all the
parts at once then do the assembly and installation afterward. The
parts made here are done using either: vacuum bag, vacuum infusion or
prepreg. I don't know wet hand layups. You can opt to have the parts
made using all carbon graphite, or carbon over fiberglass cloth. The
finish can be the same as OEM gloss or it can be matted for primer and
paint. Instead of using a lot of materials, I incorporate a foam core
structure instead. This keeps the weight down significantly.
As far as cost, I will have to see the part in person in order to give
an accurate quote. The toolings cost is normally about 3-5 times the
cost of producing one part. You will own the rights to the toolings as
well as the physical molds themselves. I don't do anything with the
molds unless you order more parts. Most of the time customers just
take
the tools with them and bring them back if they want more parts down
the
road.
Thanks,
Evan
Hello Mikal,
The toolings would first need to be made from the original OEM hatch.
This process takes about 2 weeks from start to finish. After that each
hatch will take approx 2 days to produce. It's faster to make all the
parts at once then do the assembly and installation afterward. The
parts made here are done using either: vacuum bag, vacuum infusion or
prepreg. I don't know wet hand layups. You can opt to have the parts
made using all carbon graphite, or carbon over fiberglass cloth. The
finish can be the same as OEM gloss or it can be matted for primer and
paint. Instead of using a lot of materials, I incorporate a foam core
structure instead. This keeps the weight down significantly.
As far as cost, I will have to see the part in person in order to give
an accurate quote. The toolings cost is normally about 3-5 times the
cost of producing one part. You will own the rights to the toolings as
well as the physical molds themselves. I don't do anything with the
molds unless you order more parts. Most of the time customers just
take
the tools with them and bring them back if they want more parts down
the
road.
Thanks,
Evan
| chrisarella | 04-25-2006 10:23 PM |
^^^ yeah, wait until you get the sticker shock on the toolings.
And you'll want:
� all carbon graphite
� vacuum infusion or prepreg
� OEM gloss
And you'll want:
� all carbon graphite
� vacuum infusion or prepreg
� OEM gloss
| chrisarella | 08-25-2006 01:49 PM |
Bump for more interest and info.
| stentorian | 08-25-2006 06:52 PM |
Just had a thought as this old thread was bumped....How about a cf wagon hatch that has the waist spoiler already installed on it;)
-Joe
-Joe
| chrisarella | 08-25-2006 06:59 PM |
It would have to have the roof spoiler, and the waist spoiler as an additional option to the roof spoiler. I wouldn't want one without the roof spoiler as well.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 08-25-2006 07:03 PM |
Doe anyone even know if the sock hach is steel or aluminium?
Interesting thought about the daily drivability factor.
I'm wondering, would others rather maintain drivability (defrost, wiper, real glass, etc)
Or would this be a last thing to take off weight mod.
Personally I want a lighter hach but with street functions maintained.
Interesting thought about the daily drivability factor.
I'm wondering, would others rather maintain drivability (defrost, wiper, real glass, etc)
Or would this be a last thing to take off weight mod.
Personally I want a lighter hach but with street functions maintained.
| kenny08 | 08-25-2006 10:17 PM |
i would definitely need the defrost, and of course real glass wtf were you planning on using?? the wiper would be nice too....
if the civic hatches get it, why can't we get it
if the civic hatches get it, why can't we get it
| FromEvoToRS37 | 08-26-2006 02:10 AM |
I'd like a cf hatch and top and waist spoilers, I've got a 2004, don't they just make the hatch and you take the glass from your stock hatch and put it on the cf one? Plenty of cars can get em, eclipse's, civic's, 350z's, g35's, I've seen zillions of hatches that get cf hatches available, even the s2k has a hardtop cf available, someones gotta be able to do it for the Impreza
| hornyturbo | 08-26-2006 09:29 AM |
how much would this cost? im guessing 2k+
| udelslayer | 08-26-2006 10:19 AM |
Yeah, a CF hatch is going to be way too much money for the benefit. I would vote for an aluminum hatch. That would probably be a smarter option and shave some weight. Problems with CF manufacture and maintenance suck when it gets a nasty crack or spiders in it.
| udelslayer | 08-26-2006 10:20 AM |
Dont forget to add about 500 dollars for shipping!
| chrisarella | 08-26-2006 02:54 PM |
I'd imagine if someone did make a CF Impreza hatch that you'd swap in your existing latch mechanism, glass w/defrost, washer nozzle, interior pieces, and hydaulic hinges onto the new CF "shell." This would keep all costs (including shipping) down.
For those who are looking for real weight savings for racing, you probably want to go with plexiglass. The factory glass is going to be the real anchor in the rear. After looking at my hatch more closely, there isn't that much metal in the hatch that really adds that much weight. I'm not even sure if there would be all that much of a difference if it was aluminum or CF.
In comparison, the hood has way more metal material where substituting the metal for CF can shed some pounds, but I don't think it still isn't all that much over the aluminum WRX hoods.
Anyone know what the actual weight savings is on the CF hood? You can probably guess that there will be have the savings on the hatch. So if the hood saves (lets say for argurments sake) 10 olbs, then the hatch may save 5 lbs.
I'm now having some doubts this actually makes any sense from a weight savings purpose. It probably just adds to the bling factor and match up to having the hood in the front. I'm thinking fabbing in a CF roof might make more sense.
I'm also thinking it's cheaper to go on a diet and hit the gym and take 5-10 lbs off of your fat butt 1st. :lol:
For those who are looking for real weight savings for racing, you probably want to go with plexiglass. The factory glass is going to be the real anchor in the rear. After looking at my hatch more closely, there isn't that much metal in the hatch that really adds that much weight. I'm not even sure if there would be all that much of a difference if it was aluminum or CF.
In comparison, the hood has way more metal material where substituting the metal for CF can shed some pounds, but I don't think it still isn't all that much over the aluminum WRX hoods.
Anyone know what the actual weight savings is on the CF hood? You can probably guess that there will be have the savings on the hatch. So if the hood saves (lets say for argurments sake) 10 olbs, then the hatch may save 5 lbs.
I'm now having some doubts this actually makes any sense from a weight savings purpose. It probably just adds to the bling factor and match up to having the hood in the front. I'm thinking fabbing in a CF roof might make more sense.
I'm also thinking it's cheaper to go on a diet and hit the gym and take 5-10 lbs off of your fat butt 1st. :lol:
| stentorian | 08-26-2006 07:03 PM |
[QUOTE=chrisarella]
I'm also thinking it's cheaper to go on a diet and hit the gym and take 5-10 lbs off of your fat butt 1st. :lol:[/QUOTE]
:disco: :lol: I'd rather sit on the couch.
-Joe :p
I'm also thinking it's cheaper to go on a diet and hit the gym and take 5-10 lbs off of your fat butt 1st. :lol:[/QUOTE]
:disco: :lol: I'd rather sit on the couch.
-Joe :p
| BUCKman_02 | 08-26-2006 08:20 PM |
I think I would be more in favor of a CF wing for the 02-03 wagon, but A hatch too would be pretty prime. keep us posted on how everthing goes. (crosses fingers for CF wing).
| stentorian | 08-26-2006 09:31 PM |
[QUOTE=BUCKman_02]I think I would be more in favor of a CF wing for the 02-03 wagon, but A hatch too would be pretty prime. keep us posted on how everthing goes. (crosses fingers for CF wing).[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have been thinking about that too, a CF top and waist wing would be nice...maybe. Not sure how they would look on a silver wagon though, maybe to ricey? haha!
-Joe
Yeah I have been thinking about that too, a CF top and waist wing would be nice...maybe. Not sure how they would look on a silver wagon though, maybe to ricey? haha!
-Joe
| QuikWgn | 08-27-2006 12:00 AM |
Platinum Silver Metallic 03 Bugeye wagon w/CF body/lip kit, CF grill, CF hood and CF hatch,black powder coated FMIC, blacked out/CF corner markers, CF tails, blacked out EDM HID projectors, CF fog covers, roof rail delete, CF roof vane and waist spoiler, hyperblack 18's,, Carbon can, and paint the top black/dark charcoal with some nice dark tint. That'd be the hit! I might have to warm up the photochopper later :cool: !
| MikalsWRX | 09-03-2006 08:54 PM |
Isnt the glass and the hatch like one piece? I always thought that was a big drawback on why a CF hatch was never done. If the rear glass is broken, doesnt the whole hatch have to be replaced? Just wondering.
| QuikWgn | 09-03-2006 09:15 PM |
Nope according to my 02-03 Subaru FSM it isn't one piece...
| chrisarella | 09-04-2006 01:44 PM |
You can replace the glass without the whole hatch.
| Russell Rogers | 01-16-2007 07:08 PM |
Talk to Armin He is the man on this stuff
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| skate enjoi | 01-16-2007 07:25 PM |
wow not a horribly bad price either
| joehack98 | 01-16-2007 07:43 PM |
id buy it for 650 shipped ALL DAY!
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