| STix66 | 02-14-2006 11:13 AM |
Any pix of wingless 2006 STI with just the top spoiler on?
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Just wondering if anyone has any pix.
Wondering what it would look like. :banana:
Thanks....
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
Wondering what it would look like. :banana:
Thanks....
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
| 06subiny | 02-14-2006 11:17 AM |
i had this photoshopped last week
[img]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6366/untitled15zv1.jpg[/img][/
[img]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6366/untitled15zv1.jpg[/img][/
| STix66 | 02-14-2006 11:26 AM |
Hmmmm ... interesting.
Thanks
STix66
Thanks
STix66
| Damon | 02-14-2006 11:35 AM |
i think it looks dumb. :(
| stidailydriver | 02-14-2006 11:37 AM |
pm "lastresort" he might have pics. the only 06 STI i've seen without the spoiler in person....just looks like something is missing though.
| InfamousDX | 02-14-2006 11:46 AM |
yuck.
| GeoffM | 02-14-2006 11:50 AM |
hot....then again im now wingless and wouldn't go back to an sti trunk for anything.....
| STix66 | 02-14-2006 11:54 AM |
Wondering how it would look with a wing similar in shape and size to the roof one.
Hey photo chop peeps hook it up! :banana:
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
Hey photo chop peeps hook it up! :banana:
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
| ranger5oh | 02-14-2006 12:24 PM |
It'd look cool with a Mines rear lip spoiler on back
| complexx | 02-14-2006 12:44 PM |
Your realize by removing the trunk spoiler and leaving on the roof spoiler you are more than likely reducing high speed, rear stability beyond what an 04/05 would have without the trunk spoiler. IE, handles worse than an 04/05 at high speed.
*Edit
I didn't realize that was just a chop. In any case, that would be dumb, lol.
*Edit
I didn't realize that was just a chop. In any case, that would be dumb, lol.
| stidailydriver | 02-14-2006 12:55 PM |
why??^^
| 06subiny | 02-14-2006 01:08 PM |
[QUOTE=stidailydriver]why??^^[/QUOTE]
because the roof vane directs all the air running above your car down onto the sti rear wing give your car more downforce at higherspeeds for much better handling
because the roof vane directs all the air running above your car down onto the sti rear wing give your car more downforce at higherspeeds for much better handling
| stidailydriver | 02-14-2006 01:23 PM |
[QUOTE=06subiny]because the roof vane directs all the air running above your car down onto the sti rear wing give your car more downforce at higherspeeds for much better handling[/QUOTE]
i understand what the roof one is for, but he is saying that a 06 w/roof spoiler and no sti spoiler handles [B]worse[/B] than a 05 sti with no spoiler at all. thats what i don't understand.....
i understand what the roof one is for, but he is saying that a 06 w/roof spoiler and no sti spoiler handles [B]worse[/B] than a 05 sti with no spoiler at all. thats what i don't understand.....
| OneArmedScissor | 02-14-2006 01:24 PM |
it is pretty stupid to take off a functional aerodynamic piece.
Pretty freaking ricey too.
OMG WINGLESS IS COOL LET ME DESTROY THE FUNCTIONAL AERODYNAMICS OF MY CAR BY MAKING MY CAR LOOK SO COOOOOOOOOL.
:rolleyes:
Pretty freaking ricey too.
OMG WINGLESS IS COOL LET ME DESTROY THE FUNCTIONAL AERODYNAMICS OF MY CAR BY MAKING MY CAR LOOK SO COOOOOOOOOL.
:rolleyes:
| djcttb | 02-14-2006 01:29 PM |
[IMG]http://s01.picshome.com/ead/pa140008.jpg[/IMG]
that car alone is making me consider on getting one =o
that car alone is making me consider on getting one =o
| KrazyKarl | 02-14-2006 01:30 PM |
[QUOTE=stidailydriver]i understand what the roof one is for, but he is saying that a 06 w/roof spoiler and no sti spoiler handles [B]worse[/B] than a 05 sti with no spoiler at all. thats what i don't understand.....[/QUOTE]
because the roof vane pushes air down onto the stock wing. remember highschool physics? every action has an equal and opposite reaction...so pushing that air down will also push up on the car where the roof vane is. the reason it helps though, is because the stock wing then pushes that same air back up even harder than it was pushed down by the roof vane, so the net force pushes the car down. without the rear stock wing, the air is only pushed down, causing greater lift on the rear of the car.
because the roof vane pushes air down onto the stock wing. remember highschool physics? every action has an equal and opposite reaction...so pushing that air down will also push up on the car where the roof vane is. the reason it helps though, is because the stock wing then pushes that same air back up even harder than it was pushed down by the roof vane, so the net force pushes the car down. without the rear stock wing, the air is only pushed down, causing greater lift on the rear of the car.
| stidailydriver | 02-14-2006 01:44 PM |
^^^gotcha :)
[QUOTE=KrazyKarl]remember highschool physics?[/QUOTE]
and never got that far :p
[QUOTE=KrazyKarl]remember highschool physics?[/QUOTE]
and never got that far :p
| rukkie | 02-14-2006 02:13 PM |
[QUOTE=KrazyKarl]because the roof vane pushes air down onto the stock wing. remember highschool physics? every action has an equal and opposite reaction...so pushing that air down will also push up on the car where the roof vane is. the reason it helps though, is because the stock wing then pushes that same air back up even harder than it was pushed down by the roof vane, so the net force pushes the car down. without the rear stock wing, the air is only pushed down, causing greater lift on the rear of the car.[/QUOTE]
doesn't make complete sense to me... but i think what you're saying is that the roof vane (top spoiler) creates lift while it guides the air down towards the rear where the rear spoiler is; That, in turn, creates a higher amount of air flow to the rear spoiler making it doing its job more effectively. Without the rear spoiler, you're only creating lift with the roof vane without gaining anything positive, and thus lose performance.
A picture speaks a thousand words:
[IMG]http://valueupgrade.com/scrap/wrx_misc/top_spoiler.jpg[/IMG]
doesn't make complete sense to me... but i think what you're saying is that the roof vane (top spoiler) creates lift while it guides the air down towards the rear where the rear spoiler is; That, in turn, creates a higher amount of air flow to the rear spoiler making it doing its job more effectively. Without the rear spoiler, you're only creating lift with the roof vane without gaining anything positive, and thus lose performance.
A picture speaks a thousand words:
[IMG]http://valueupgrade.com/scrap/wrx_misc/top_spoiler.jpg[/IMG]
| samg00dy06STI | 02-14-2006 04:55 PM |
^^^^ very good explanation......and as for wingless 06 it looks like its hmmmm missing something ???
| shotoyan | 02-14-2006 06:03 PM |
I've considered the roof vane for my wrx simply to help keep the rear window clear in foul weather...after reading this thread I'm wondering how it would affect the handling performance with the stock wrx wing...?
| dbarnblatt | 02-14-2006 07:39 PM |
[QUOTE=stidailydriver]i understand what the roof one is for, but he is saying that a 06 w/roof spoiler and no sti spoiler handles [B]worse[/B] than a 05 sti with no spoiler at all. thats what i don't understand.....[/QUOTE]
Subaru has done two versions of the 06 STI wthout the standard dual plane spoiler we are all used to... and on both versions they have deleated the roof vane spoiler. Leads me to believe that the roof vane is designed to work with that wing and should not be used with other wings or wingless. One is the S204 which has a lower newly designed wing...
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG]
And the other is the UK spec STI Spec D... which has the standard WRX wing on the back:
[IMG]http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060111.001/2060111.001.1L.jpg[/IMG]
Subaru has done two versions of the 06 STI wthout the standard dual plane spoiler we are all used to... and on both versions they have deleated the roof vane spoiler. Leads me to believe that the roof vane is designed to work with that wing and should not be used with other wings or wingless. One is the S204 which has a lower newly designed wing...
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG]
And the other is the UK spec STI Spec D... which has the standard WRX wing on the back:
[IMG]http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060111.001/2060111.001.1L.jpg[/IMG]
| rukkie | 02-14-2006 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE=dbarnblatt]Leads me to believe that the roof vane is designed to work with that wing and should not be used with other wings or wingless.[/QUOTE]
I remember reading somewhere about the roof vane saying exactly that is designed to improve the efficiency of the spoiler. Well, it makes sense doesn't it? At least according to the aerodymaics picture from [url]www.subaru.co.jp[/url] posted above.
I remember reading somewhere about the roof vane saying exactly that is designed to improve the efficiency of the spoiler. Well, it makes sense doesn't it? At least according to the aerodymaics picture from [url]www.subaru.co.jp[/url] posted above.
| JMax5k | 02-14-2006 08:42 PM |
I want that wing!!!!!! :banana:
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG]
| DeeBoy | 02-14-2006 09:24 PM |
[QUOTE=JMax5k]I want that wing!!!!!! :banana:
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
^^^ Ravspec is planning to make replicas of the S203 Wing in Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber, which looks almost exactly like the S204 except that the brackets that hold up the wing are different. Here's the thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url]
[IMG]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_47/car_portal_pic_23826.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
^^^ Ravspec is planning to make replicas of the S203 Wing in Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber, which looks almost exactly like the S204 except that the brackets that hold up the wing are different. Here's the thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url]
| KrazyKarl | 02-14-2006 09:33 PM |
[QUOTE=DeeBoy]^^^ Ravspec is planning to make replicas of the S203 Wing in Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber, which looks almost exactly like the S204 except that the brackets that hold up the wing are different. Here's the thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url][/QUOTE]
IMO the new wing looks alot better. less ricey.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url][/QUOTE]
IMO the new wing looks alot better. less ricey.
| FWD WRX | 02-14-2006 09:44 PM |
i think it looks stupid wingless with the roof spoiler
| BlackPooL | 02-15-2006 03:18 AM |
[QUOTE=rukkie]doesn't make complete sense to me... but i think what you're saying is that the roof vane (top spoiler) creates lift while it guides the air down towards the rear where the rear spoiler is; That, in turn, creates a higher amount of air flow to the rear spoiler making it doing its job more effectively. Without the rear spoiler, you're only creating lift with the roof vane without gaining anything positive, and thus lose performance.
A picture speaks a thousand words:
[IMG]http://valueupgrade.com/scrap/wrx_misc/top_spoiler.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Come to think of it, isn't the purpose of a spoiler to disturb the air behind the car, and destroy any potential of the vehicle behind you "drafting".
A wing is for downforce. From a technical standpoint, I'm sure a spoiler and a wing are two VERY different things.
A picture speaks a thousand words:
[IMG]http://valueupgrade.com/scrap/wrx_misc/top_spoiler.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Come to think of it, isn't the purpose of a spoiler to disturb the air behind the car, and destroy any potential of the vehicle behind you "drafting".
A wing is for downforce. From a technical standpoint, I'm sure a spoiler and a wing are two VERY different things.
| moabrox | 02-15-2006 03:24 AM |
I think with the wingless the car looks unbalanced front to back. Maybe without the scoop and no wing it would look better, But that costs alot more
| cordizzle | 02-15-2006 08:14 AM |
[QUOTE=DeeBoy]^^^ Ravspec is planning to make replicas of the S203 Wing in Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber, which looks almost exactly like the S204 except that the brackets that hold up the wing are different. Here's the thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url][/QUOTE]
The S204 and S203 wings are completely different IMO
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906371[/url][/QUOTE]
The S204 and S203 wings are completely different IMO
| STix66 | 02-15-2006 09:30 AM |
Def understand the funtionality issue and am not totally sold on going wingless.
I also think it looks a little off with just the little top spoiler on there.
To quote another poster, "It seems like it is missing something".
I started this thread simply because I was curious to see if anyone had
any pix and what it would look like.
Personally I thought I would hate the wing when I bought the car, but after driving the car and seeing it from different angles, I dont mind it as much.
It isn't like it is on the back of a friggin civic or something, and at least with the STI it has the pedigree to back up and more importantly justify the big wing (I think- please read on).
The question I still have is will the real effects of this spoiler or
lack of it truly affect the average daily driver?
Is there any data that states when the spoiler actually becomes a functional piece of keeping the car planted?
I am sure there is and most likely someone will blast me and tell me to search.
Thanks in advance for your contribution to this thread :banana:
I know it is designed to function at high speeds, but what exactly constitutes high speed ?
Sorry for not understnaidng the granular details as I am far from an engineer, but I think this could spark something else other than hey my car is wingless and looks cool.
I know for the subbie purest there will always be a part of you that says they designed it this way for a reason(I am not arguing with this contingent in the slightest) but I am more curious about the true functionality and when the benefits of said spoiler would be realized.
Thanks for all of your contributions to this thread.
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
I also think it looks a little off with just the little top spoiler on there.
To quote another poster, "It seems like it is missing something".
I started this thread simply because I was curious to see if anyone had
any pix and what it would look like.
Personally I thought I would hate the wing when I bought the car, but after driving the car and seeing it from different angles, I dont mind it as much.
It isn't like it is on the back of a friggin civic or something, and at least with the STI it has the pedigree to back up and more importantly justify the big wing (I think- please read on).
The question I still have is will the real effects of this spoiler or
lack of it truly affect the average daily driver?
Is there any data that states when the spoiler actually becomes a functional piece of keeping the car planted?
I am sure there is and most likely someone will blast me and tell me to search.
Thanks in advance for your contribution to this thread :banana:
I know it is designed to function at high speeds, but what exactly constitutes high speed ?
Sorry for not understnaidng the granular details as I am far from an engineer, but I think this could spark something else other than hey my car is wingless and looks cool.
I know for the subbie purest there will always be a part of you that says they designed it this way for a reason(I am not arguing with this contingent in the slightest) but I am more curious about the true functionality and when the benefits of said spoiler would be realized.
Thanks for all of your contributions to this thread.
STix66 :devil: :devil: :devil:
| cefoskey | 02-15-2006 09:36 AM |
[QUOTE=KrazyKarl]because the roof vane pushes air down onto the stock wing. remember highschool physics? every action has an equal and opposite reaction...so pushing that air down will also push up on the car where the roof vane is. the reason it helps though, is because the stock wing then pushes that same air back up even harder than it was pushed down by the roof vane, so the net force pushes the car down. without the rear stock wing, the air is only pushed down, causing greater lift on the rear of the car.[/QUOTE]
whoa whoa whoa hold on a minute. :huh:
High school physics? Lets avoid high school logic. First of all, we are not talking about "pushing" air around here. Action-reaction? These wings are about low pressure areas and laminar separation over the rear windscreen. You are going to get negligible lift from that 3" roof vane - it is designed to eliminate the vortecies created over the top of the rear windshield and keep the flow laminar further towards the rear wing. The downforce affect is a result of the low pressure created below the wing, not by the "pushing reaction" force of some sort of bulk mass air flow.
whoa whoa whoa hold on a minute. :huh:
High school physics? Lets avoid high school logic. First of all, we are not talking about "pushing" air around here. Action-reaction? These wings are about low pressure areas and laminar separation over the rear windscreen. You are going to get negligible lift from that 3" roof vane - it is designed to eliminate the vortecies created over the top of the rear windshield and keep the flow laminar further towards the rear wing. The downforce affect is a result of the low pressure created below the wing, not by the "pushing reaction" force of some sort of bulk mass air flow.
| BUCKman_02 | 02-15-2006 01:34 PM |
Just the top spoiler looks neat. I might rock it...I donno tho :rolleyes: Deff. S204 ANYTHING FTW! The replica S203 wing is hot too.
| cordizzle | 02-15-2006 02:40 PM |
Yea, the S204 wing looks soo much better. I love how the light is embezzled in the wing itself
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