| chimchimm5 | 09-19-2006 02:08 AM |
Autox or rallyx
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Two equally well run events are happening on the same day, same distance away. Which do you choose?
Oops... i just realized I may have put this in the wrong forum section...
Oops... i just realized I may have put this in the wrong forum section...
| makofoto | 09-19-2006 03:02 AM |
Do you really want to get your new wagon so dirty that you'll never get it completely clean again ....
| Protege Menace | 09-19-2006 03:29 AM |
pshhhh
it's not a show car ;)
go have some fun in the dirt!
it's not a show car ;)
go have some fun in the dirt!
| chimchimm5 | 09-19-2006 04:01 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto;15295584]Do you really want to get your new wagon so dirty that you'll never get it completely clean again ....[/QUOTE]
Too late for me. :p
Too late for me. :p
| mykrrrr | 09-19-2006 07:49 AM |
Depends on your mods and if you're in the hunt for a season end trophy in either discipline.
If it were me, I'd go rallycrossing since I'm in the hunt for the DRSCCA Modified 2WD rallycross title. :D
If it were me, I'd go rallycrossing since I'm in the hunt for the DRSCCA Modified 2WD rallycross title. :D
| Butt Dyno | 09-19-2006 07:56 AM |
My car is too pretty and too slammed for rallyx. I would have liked to do a couple while it was still stock, but oh well.
john
john
| RB5 Clone | 09-19-2006 09:46 AM |
YOU need to decide what you want to do, we can't decide your fun. If you really can't figure it out, you may need more help than nasioc can give. ;)
grip is fine as far as it goes.
sliding is way more entertaining.
cones are cones, you gonna hit em at either event.
don't worry about dirt, that's why pressure washers were invented.
Dave G
please note that the WRX was designed to win the WRC, not autox. is there a hint in here somewhere?
if you still can't decide, then the last poll choice is your only option.
grip is fine as far as it goes.
sliding is way more entertaining.
cones are cones, you gonna hit em at either event.
don't worry about dirt, that's why pressure washers were invented.
Dave G
please note that the WRX was designed to win the WRC, not autox. is there a hint in here somewhere?
if you still can't decide, then the last poll choice is your only option.
| fliz | 09-19-2006 09:56 AM |
I'd choose rallyx...no contest.
Around here I get in more runs and spend less time standing around at a rallyx than an autox.
Around here I get in more runs and spend less time standing around at a rallyx than an autox.
| AlbaScoob | 09-19-2006 09:59 AM |
Rallycross!!!
| KC | 09-19-2006 11:42 AM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;15297140]please note that the WRX was designed to win the WRC, not autox. is there a hint in here somewhere?[/QUOTE]Hmmm 1 WRX with a Rally-X national title... a few WRXs with auto-x national titles... ;)
That said... if you're not in any kind of points contention.. rally-x it! :)
--kC
That said... if you're not in any kind of points contention.. rally-x it! :)
--kC
| RB5 Clone | 09-19-2006 11:43 AM |
and rallyx pulls ahead!
my experience is that at a rallyx you have less poser bullsheet to deal with
autox just counts fastest time, so you can get beat by a raggedy-arse out-of-control driver who just happens to pull off one good run. this somehow qualifies them as "the best." ???
rallyx times are cumulative, so every run and every cone counts. consistency and tidiness rule, but you still gotta be quick. this is much more interesting long-term and does more for your real-world driving skills.
I guess it's a cultural thing.
DG
my experience is that at a rallyx you have less poser bullsheet to deal with
autox just counts fastest time, so you can get beat by a raggedy-arse out-of-control driver who just happens to pull off one good run. this somehow qualifies them as "the best." ???
rallyx times are cumulative, so every run and every cone counts. consistency and tidiness rule, but you still gotta be quick. this is much more interesting long-term and does more for your real-world driving skills.
I guess it's a cultural thing.
DG
| RB5 Clone | 09-19-2006 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;15298783]Hmmm 1 WRX with a Rally-X national title... a few WRXs with auto-x national titles... ;)
That said... if you're not in any kind of points contention.. rally-x it! :)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Hey, quit letting reality get in the way of a good story!
DG
That said... if you're not in any kind of points contention.. rally-x it! :)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Hey, quit letting reality get in the way of a good story!
DG
| KC | 09-19-2006 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;15298794]and rallyx pulls ahead!
my experience is that at a rallyx you have less poser bullsheet to deal with
autox just counts fastest time, so you can get beat by a raggedy-arse out-of-control driver who just happens to pull off one good run. this somehow qualifies them as "the best." ???[/QUOTE]Usually, the consistantly fast drivers for auto-x... are consistantly fast across all their runs anyways... just like in rally-x. The reasoning for cumulative time in rally-x is "wickedly scaled down rally"... where they all count. I remember that debate when rally-x 1st started up in New England. :) It was run by rally guys... so that's the way it went.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC
my experience is that at a rallyx you have less poser bullsheet to deal with
autox just counts fastest time, so you can get beat by a raggedy-arse out-of-control driver who just happens to pull off one good run. this somehow qualifies them as "the best." ???[/QUOTE]Usually, the consistantly fast drivers for auto-x... are consistantly fast across all their runs anyways... just like in rally-x. The reasoning for cumulative time in rally-x is "wickedly scaled down rally"... where they all count. I remember that debate when rally-x 1st started up in New England. :) It was run by rally guys... so that's the way it went.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC
| bjorn240 | 09-19-2006 12:18 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;15299285][Joking]I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
[/QUOTE]
Ken Block, Maine Forest Rally 2006, springs to mind. I think Matt Iorio was the corner worker.
- Christian
[/QUOTE]
Ken Block, Maine Forest Rally 2006, springs to mind. I think Matt Iorio was the corner worker.
- Christian
| KC | 09-19-2006 12:21 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15299322]Ken Block, Maine Forest Rally 2006, springs to mind. I think Matt Iorio was the corner worker.
- Christian[/QUOTE]:lol:
--kC
- Christian[/QUOTE]:lol:
--kC
| greg donovan | 09-19-2006 01:16 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;15299285]Usually, the consistantly fast drivers for auto-x... are consistantly fast across all their runs anyways... just like in rally-x. The reasoning for cumulative time in rally-x is "wickedly scaled down rally"... where they all count. I remember that debate when rally-x 1st started up in New England. :) It was run by rally guys... so that's the way it went.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC[/QUOTE]
we have a hybrid scoring system in the Land o'lakes region.
we take two runs per group and drop the slowest one. we usually take 3 sets of two runs.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC[/QUOTE]
we have a hybrid scoring system in the Land o'lakes region.
we take two runs per group and drop the slowest one. we usually take 3 sets of two runs.
| greg donovan | 09-19-2006 01:17 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15299322]Ken Block, Maine Forest Rally 2006, springs to mind. I think Matt Iorio was the corner worker.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
who was responsible for the OFR tree?
- Christian[/QUOTE]
who was responsible for the OFR tree?
| chimchimm5 | 09-19-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;15297140]YOU need to decide what you want to do, we can't decide your fun. If you really can't figure it out, you may need more help than nasioc can give. ;) [/QUOTE]
Nono... I already have decided for myself... I just want to know what people think here. I use polls to see what people are thinking, not make decisions for me. The poll scenario, BTW, is fictional.
Nono... I already have decided for myself... I just want to know what people think here. I use polls to see what people are thinking, not make decisions for me. The poll scenario, BTW, is fictional.
| sachilles | 09-19-2006 02:55 PM |
I'd go to the event that has the most people I'd rather hang out with.
Next criteria would be tires....what tires do I have that would work best?
some events I'd skip based on the venue....whether the pavement stinks or the dirt stinks basically.
I like both. Sometimes its a mood thing. Rallycrosses have been happening less often than autocrosses, so I'm more likely to hit a rallycross when one rises. However, I don't want to miss out on autocross points.
Such a dilemma.
We should start a national criteria that all autox are on sundays, and all rally crosses on Saturdays to avoid conflicts, so we are never burdened with this choice.
Next criteria would be tires....what tires do I have that would work best?
some events I'd skip based on the venue....whether the pavement stinks or the dirt stinks basically.
I like both. Sometimes its a mood thing. Rallycrosses have been happening less often than autocrosses, so I'm more likely to hit a rallycross when one rises. However, I don't want to miss out on autocross points.
Such a dilemma.
We should start a national criteria that all autox are on sundays, and all rally crosses on Saturdays to avoid conflicts, so we are never burdened with this choice.
| fliz | 09-19-2006 03:09 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15299322]Ken Block, Maine Forest Rally 2006, springs to mind. I think Matt Iorio was the corner worker.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I think a better example is Tanner's rock at OFR.
Oh, and around here, rallyx is best morning + best afternoon...none of this cumulative BS.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I think a better example is Tanner's rock at OFR.
Oh, and around here, rallyx is best morning + best afternoon...none of this cumulative BS.
| ty2.5rst | 09-19-2006 04:11 PM |
I will prep a much less expensive car to rally x. I cant justify messing my rs up for some dirt and it is my daily driver. It its prepped for tarmac anyways. I think that both driving styles require skills. I think that the best autox could move to rally x and do well.visa versa. A good Driver adapts to the course and conditions.
| Fred | 09-19-2006 04:14 PM |
[QUOTE]rally-x, cones don't even get marked... [/QUOTE]
Yes they do. Why the Hell would you not mark them? :confused:
As for the original question, both can be fun, and it really depends on how YOU feel about it.
Autox = potentially more tire wear, fewer runs, more people & therefore more waiting around to run, less entertaining as a spectator, more anal-retentive people in charge, and usually more $ invested to be able to compete at the top level.
I am definitely a rallyxer when it comes to rallyx vs. autox, given equal quality and similar price, but I had a great time at the autox this past weekend. And, if it had been scored as a rallyx, my STi would've taken FTD overall. But we had to settle for 5th raw/3rd indexed to some guys who pulled runs out of their butts, and DNFed at least a run each. :lol: Stupid autox rules!!! :furious: ;)
Yes they do. Why the Hell would you not mark them? :confused:
As for the original question, both can be fun, and it really depends on how YOU feel about it.
Autox = potentially more tire wear, fewer runs, more people & therefore more waiting around to run, less entertaining as a spectator, more anal-retentive people in charge, and usually more $ invested to be able to compete at the top level.
I am definitely a rallyxer when it comes to rallyx vs. autox, given equal quality and similar price, but I had a great time at the autox this past weekend. And, if it had been scored as a rallyx, my STi would've taken FTD overall. But we had to settle for 5th raw/3rd indexed to some guys who pulled runs out of their butts, and DNFed at least a run each. :lol: Stupid autox rules!!! :furious: ;)
| mykrrrr | 09-19-2006 05:05 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;15301998]I think a better example is Tanner's rock at OFR.
Oh, and around here, rallyx is best morning + best afternoon...none of this cumulative BS.[/QUOTE]
Cumulative BS??? We count every run and we do time of day start w/TSD pneumatic hoses...best set up evAr. Rarely a timing issue...the only ones we've encountered were from the hose being moved out of position enough to make the car miss it and getting buried in the ground.
Our drivers are fighting it out down to the thousands of second in some classes.
It' more rally-esque and isn't an all or nothing event like autocross can be. To finish first you must first finish. ;)
Oh, and around here, rallyx is best morning + best afternoon...none of this cumulative BS.[/QUOTE]
Cumulative BS??? We count every run and we do time of day start w/TSD pneumatic hoses...best set up evAr. Rarely a timing issue...the only ones we've encountered were from the hose being moved out of position enough to make the car miss it and getting buried in the ground.
Our drivers are fighting it out down to the thousands of second in some classes.
It' more rally-esque and isn't an all or nothing event like autocross can be. To finish first you must first finish. ;)
| fliz | 09-19-2006 05:25 PM |
[QUOTE=mykrrrr;15303898]Cumulative BS??? We count every run and we do time of day start w/TSD pneumatic hoses...best set up evAr. Rarely a timing issue...the only ones we've encountered were from the hose being moved out of position enough to make the car miss it and getting buried in the ground.
Our drivers are fighting it out down to the thousands of second in some classes.
It' more rally-esque and isn't an all or nothing event like autocross can be. To finish first you must first finish. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah...I'm sure it works well...but I'm usually one of the "pull something out of your ass, totally out of control, DNF 3 times" type of *X driver.
Here in SE WI, we run it more like a autox. Our courses require starts depending on traffic (some oncoming sections), and we usually start closer than 1 minute apart.
At our last event, the start was delayed until 2 PM due to rain, and we got in 8 runs before 6 PM. Of course, we only had ~30 cars. I'm sure if we had more cars we'd need better organization...but this works fine for us.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/VW-Golf-RallyX-8-6-06[/url]
That is my car coming around to the finish...see the car starting after I clear the part where the course runs beside itself.
Our drivers are fighting it out down to the thousands of second in some classes.
It' more rally-esque and isn't an all or nothing event like autocross can be. To finish first you must first finish. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah...I'm sure it works well...but I'm usually one of the "pull something out of your ass, totally out of control, DNF 3 times" type of *X driver.
Here in SE WI, we run it more like a autox. Our courses require starts depending on traffic (some oncoming sections), and we usually start closer than 1 minute apart.
At our last event, the start was delayed until 2 PM due to rain, and we got in 8 runs before 6 PM. Of course, we only had ~30 cars. I'm sure if we had more cars we'd need better organization...but this works fine for us.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/VW-Golf-RallyX-8-6-06[/url]
That is my car coming around to the finish...see the car starting after I clear the part where the course runs beside itself.
| Bort | 09-19-2006 06:24 PM |
[quote=sachilles;15301782]...Rallycrosses have been happening less often than autocrosses, so I'm more likely to hit a rallycross when one rises....[/quote]
I see you're in Vermont, are you signed up for [URL="http://www.geocities.com/rallyrpi/rallycross06.htm"][COLOR=red]this one[/COLOR][/URL]? It's in NY very near the Vermont border.
Oh, and I voted for rally-x :) To be fair I've never tried auto-x.
I see you're in Vermont, are you signed up for [URL="http://www.geocities.com/rallyrpi/rallycross06.htm"][COLOR=red]this one[/COLOR][/URL]? It's in NY very near the Vermont border.
Oh, and I voted for rally-x :) To be fair I've never tried auto-x.
| kreitz3 | 09-19-2006 06:35 PM |
My vote went to RallyX. I've run two of them. Though I have never run an AutoX I've been a passenger with my friend that AutoX's and it doesn't seem as fun. And RallyX is much more fun to watch.
| flyboymike | 09-19-2006 07:05 PM |
Daily driver, relatively new car that's already been tarmac prepped => auto-x. Hell, I bought the car because I knew it had autocross potential.
Oh wait, crap! I didn't even see the garage queen option! DARNIT! :)
Oh wait, crap! I didn't even see the garage queen option! DARNIT! :)
| makofoto | 09-19-2006 11:40 PM |
A number of us AX'ers went to a RallyX. We pretty much cleaned up. The RallyX regulars would go way wide of apex's ... either understeering by them or oversteering by them. I really didn't think it was that much fun ... haha ... perhaps that had something to do with the rental Neon we were using. But we still won our class and the AX/RallyX regulars whopped on the RallyX only drivers. AX teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc.
| afpdl | 09-20-2006 12:12 AM |
If its in my car, autox. If I dont own the car rallyx.
| drf | 09-20-2006 02:28 AM |
Autox. It's fun, and I don't have to wash the car afterwards.
If I didn't mind dirt inside the car, and eating dirt everytime I got under the car, I'd love to try Rallyx. It looks fun too.
Maybe I should have picked the garage queen option...
If I didn't mind dirt inside the car, and eating dirt everytime I got under the car, I'd love to try Rallyx. It looks fun too.
Maybe I should have picked the garage queen option...
| Fred | 09-20-2006 12:04 PM |
[QUOTE]A number of us AX'ers went to a RallyX. We pretty much cleaned up. The RallyX regulars would go way wide of apex's ... either understeering by them or oversteering by them. I really didn't think it was that much fun ... haha ... perhaps that had something to do with the rental Neon we were using. But we still won our class and the AX/RallyX regulars whopped on the RallyX only drivers. AX teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the "rallyx only drivers" in your area suck at rallyx. :lol:
And I fixed this for you:
[QUOTE][B]Rallycross[/B] teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc[/QUOTE]
One thing that has helped me improve at rallyx is karting. :)
Apparently the "rallyx only drivers" in your area suck at rallyx. :lol:
And I fixed this for you:
[QUOTE][B]Rallycross[/B] teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc[/QUOTE]
One thing that has helped me improve at rallyx is karting. :)
| chimchimm5 | 09-20-2006 12:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred;15313219]One thing that has helped me improve at rallyx is karting. :)[/QUOTE]
Seriously? I felt that karting helped me more with autox... particularly the balancing the throttle on the edge of traction thing.
Although, the "throw the kart into the turn and use the rotation as a braking mechanism" is much more rallyx.
Once again, karting is the best starting point for everything.
Seriously? I felt that karting helped me more with autox... particularly the balancing the throttle on the edge of traction thing.
Although, the "throw the kart into the turn and use the rotation as a braking mechanism" is much more rallyx.
Once again, karting is the best starting point for everything.
| greg donovan | 09-20-2006 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=chimchimm5;15313893]Seriously? I felt that karting helped me more with autox... [B]particularly the balancing the throttle on the edge of traction thing.[/B]
Although, the "throw the kart into the turn and use the rotation as a braking mechanism" is much more rallyx.
Once again, karting is the best starting point for everything.[/QUOTE]
we do the same thing in rallyx too. especially in non turbo FWD cars. it is always better to go "slower" in second rather than spinning the crap out of the tires in first.
Although, the "throw the kart into the turn and use the rotation as a braking mechanism" is much more rallyx.
Once again, karting is the best starting point for everything.[/QUOTE]
we do the same thing in rallyx too. especially in non turbo FWD cars. it is always better to go "slower" in second rather than spinning the crap out of the tires in first.
| RoundtheBend | 09-20-2006 05:59 PM |
[quote=RB5 Clone;15298794]my experience is that at a rallyx you have less [B]holier-than-thou[/B] bullsheet to deal with
rallyx times are cumulative, so every run and every cone counts. consistency and tidiness rule, but you still gotta be quick. this is much more interesting long-term and does more for your real-world driving skills.
[/quote]Fixed. I agree on the real-world driving skills portion.
[quote=sachilles;15301782]some events I'd skip based on the venue....whether the pavement stinks or the dirt stinks basically.
I like both. Sometimes its a mood thing.[/quote]My thoughts exactly. Some venues are just too hard on the car. :)
[quote=makofoto;15308707]A number of us AX'ers went to a RallyX. We pretty much cleaned up. ... But we still won our class and the AX/RallyX regulars whopped on the RallyX only drivers. AX teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc.[quote=Fred;15313219]Apparently the "rallyx only drivers" in your area suck at rallyx. :lol: [/quote] [quote=sachilles;15301782]I'd go to the event that has the most people I'd rather hang out with.[/quote][/quote]I agree with Fred and sachilles here. makafoto shows typical auto-xer attitude in my experience. That said, [B]some[/B] of the good (national level) auto-xers locally are still regular people that aren't full of themselves. :)
[quote=KC;15299285]Usually, the consistantly fast drivers for auto-x... are consistantly fast across all their runs anyways... just like in rally-x. The reasoning for cumulative time in rally-x is "wickedly scaled down rally"... where they all count. I remember that debate when rally-x 1st started up in New England. :) It was run by rally guys... so that's the way it went.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC[/quote]KC makes a good point without sounding too biased. :)
However, our cones are marked with paint, similar to the auto-x chalk outlines. Here in the NW (OR/WA) we generally get three runs guaranteed. Anything above that is gravy and allows us to drop a run so in essence KC, we do get our mulligan. :banana:
-Erik
mykrrrr, you have PM. :D
rallyx times are cumulative, so every run and every cone counts. consistency and tidiness rule, but you still gotta be quick. this is much more interesting long-term and does more for your real-world driving skills.
[/quote]Fixed. I agree on the real-world driving skills portion.
[quote=sachilles;15301782]some events I'd skip based on the venue....whether the pavement stinks or the dirt stinks basically.
I like both. Sometimes its a mood thing.[/quote]My thoughts exactly. Some venues are just too hard on the car. :)
[quote=makofoto;15308707]A number of us AX'ers went to a RallyX. We pretty much cleaned up. ... But we still won our class and the AX/RallyX regulars whopped on the RallyX only drivers. AX teaches driving discipline, precision, slow in, fast out, etc.[quote=Fred;15313219]Apparently the "rallyx only drivers" in your area suck at rallyx. :lol: [/quote] [quote=sachilles;15301782]I'd go to the event that has the most people I'd rather hang out with.[/quote][/quote]I agree with Fred and sachilles here. makafoto shows typical auto-xer attitude in my experience. That said, [B]some[/B] of the good (national level) auto-xers locally are still regular people that aren't full of themselves. :)
[quote=KC;15299285]Usually, the consistantly fast drivers for auto-x... are consistantly fast across all their runs anyways... just like in rally-x. The reasoning for cumulative time in rally-x is "wickedly scaled down rally"... where they all count. I remember that debate when rally-x 1st started up in New England. :) It was run by rally guys... so that's the way it went.
I took a couple minutes looking at some results from earlier this year, and almost all the guys that won their classes, won them with a cumulative time too for the most part. (Few cones here and there)
[Joking]Heck... wouldn't you like a mulligan in rally/rally-x every now and then? :lol: In rally-x, cones don't even get marked... so the guy that resets the cone from the guy before you hitting it changes the course now making it longer! I don't know of any rallies where cones (aka TREES) get moved INTO the apex of the turn![/Joking]
--kC[/quote]KC makes a good point without sounding too biased. :)
However, our cones are marked with paint, similar to the auto-x chalk outlines. Here in the NW (OR/WA) we generally get three runs guaranteed. Anything above that is gravy and allows us to drop a run so in essence KC, we do get our mulligan. :banana:
-Erik
mykrrrr, you have PM. :D
| Fred | 09-20-2006 07:10 PM |
karting -- maintaining momentum and driving the right line makes a huge difference
rallyx -- maintaining momentum and driving the right line makes a huge difference
When karting, lifting only happens a few times per lap at our local indoor track (no braking unless somebody gets in the way). I lift and brake multiple times per run when rallyxing. Sliding the kart makes you slow, sliding the car helps you control it. So there are lots of differences. It's just those things up at the top that karting helped me with. And that's only because I hadn't really emphasized them quite enough beforehand.
Autox and track events have helped with rallyx, too - you just have to take the things from each experience that will make you faster and put them all together.
Making generalizations like "autoxers are teh bettar!!!11!" doesn't really get you anywhere, though. It just comes down to the people who understand what to do and go out and do it vs. those who either don't know what to do or who can't put the plan into practice.
And yes, nationally-competitive autoxers would spank the average rallyxer at a rallyx. But nationally-competitive rallyxers would spank the average autoxer at an autox. :lol: It's the [I]driver[/I] that makes the difference, not the sport.
rallyx -- maintaining momentum and driving the right line makes a huge difference
When karting, lifting only happens a few times per lap at our local indoor track (no braking unless somebody gets in the way). I lift and brake multiple times per run when rallyxing. Sliding the kart makes you slow, sliding the car helps you control it. So there are lots of differences. It's just those things up at the top that karting helped me with. And that's only because I hadn't really emphasized them quite enough beforehand.
Autox and track events have helped with rallyx, too - you just have to take the things from each experience that will make you faster and put them all together.
Making generalizations like "autoxers are teh bettar!!!11!" doesn't really get you anywhere, though. It just comes down to the people who understand what to do and go out and do it vs. those who either don't know what to do or who can't put the plan into practice.
And yes, nationally-competitive autoxers would spank the average rallyxer at a rallyx. But nationally-competitive rallyxers would spank the average autoxer at an autox. :lol: It's the [I]driver[/I] that makes the difference, not the sport.
| sachilles | 09-21-2006 12:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Bort;15304988]I see you're in Vermont, are you signed up for [URL="http://www.geocities.com/rallyrpi/rallycross06.htm"][COLOR=red]this one[/COLOR][/URL]? It's in NY very near the Vermont border.
Oh, and I voted for rally-x :) To be fair I've never tried auto-x.[/QUOTE]
Trying to get the approval from the household finance manager:rolleyes:
I'm sure if our bathroom is tiled by the end of next week I have a good chance of going.
Oh, and I voted for rally-x :) To be fair I've never tried auto-x.[/QUOTE]
Trying to get the approval from the household finance manager:rolleyes:
I'm sure if our bathroom is tiled by the end of next week I have a good chance of going.
| PKer | 09-21-2006 01:21 PM |
I think Mako's sentiments are a little biased by the course we had the only time he did it. It was a generally slow, tight course with lots of full lock to full lock turning. He does have a point in that autocross skills definitely do carry over, of course if rally-x noobs (myself included) can go out in a rental and win the stock 2wd drive class first try, the class has to be pretty soft.
Having consistent, reliable timing and scoring, along with courses that are fun but still safe will go along way towards building a solid competitior base.
Having consistent, reliable timing and scoring, along with courses that are fun but still safe will go along way towards building a solid competitior base.
| Howl | 09-21-2006 01:28 PM |
My best RallyX times are generally when I take it easy and drive the course.
My funnest RallyX times are generally when I get the car rotating and the tires spinning.
Who cares if you win, as long as you had fun.
My funnest RallyX times are generally when I get the car rotating and the tires spinning.
Who cares if you win, as long as you had fun.
| Fred | 09-21-2006 05:19 PM |
[QUOTE]Who cares if you win, as long as you had fun.[/QUOTE]
Winning is fun. :)
I slide the car around on my fastest runs, but only where it helps. If you do it where it helps and don't do it where you just need to get through the corner as quickly as possible, you end up going faster at the end of the "straights" that follow. And more speed = more fun.
Winning is fun. :)
I slide the car around on my fastest runs, but only where it helps. If you do it where it helps and don't do it where you just need to get through the corner as quickly as possible, you end up going faster at the end of the "straights" that follow. And more speed = more fun.
| greg donovan | 09-22-2006 01:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Fred;15332575]Winning is fun. :)
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close competiton is more fun.
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my 2WD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.
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close competiton is more fun.
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my 2WD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.
| AlbaScoob | 09-22-2006 07:40 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;15338345]close competiton is more fun.
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my FWD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.[/QUOTE]
agreed, close competition is ALOT of fun...
At the last Detroit SCCA event there was only 0.301 CUMULATIVE time difference between 1st and 4th place in PA class...SUPERB!
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my FWD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.[/QUOTE]
agreed, close competition is ALOT of fun...
At the last Detroit SCCA event there was only 0.301 CUMULATIVE time difference between 1st and 4th place in PA class...SUPERB!
| KC | 09-22-2006 07:57 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;15338345]close competiton is more fun.
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my FWD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. That's why the RX8 is being sold next week and I'm going to co-drive a nationally prepped STS car. I haven't had anyone to challenge me in the classes I've run. Next year will be VERY different. I've only gone on pax for the past 4 years. I already can't wait! :)
Competition helps you become a better driver. If you don't have any competition, how do you know you're doing well? Only a couple times a year at national events.
--kC
winning by a lot or loosing by a lot isnt fun.
i love having a "fight" w/3-4 guys. especially in my FWD open class.
we have a RWD G5 rally mustang (mike hurst's old mustang now owned by Utecht), a old sentra SE-R, a v-6 mustang, a SVT focus, and our 90 FWD legacy sedan. it is really fun to be even with the rally mustang.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. That's why the RX8 is being sold next week and I'm going to co-drive a nationally prepped STS car. I haven't had anyone to challenge me in the classes I've run. Next year will be VERY different. I've only gone on pax for the past 4 years. I already can't wait! :)
Competition helps you become a better driver. If you don't have any competition, how do you know you're doing well? Only a couple times a year at national events.
--kC
| Fred | 09-22-2006 04:43 PM |
If I had to choose between having close competition in a slow car vs. having a bunch of really fast runs in the fastest car at the event, on a great course, and winning by ~ 30 seconds, I'm not going to choose the slow car. :)
I like competition, I just like going as fast as I can go - in a fast car - much more. I had thought about co-driving one of the POS cars recently, just because winning with the RS was getting a little boring. But I just decided to focus on driving the car and the course better, and letting the competition come to me. Now we have a few guys who are really fast drivers who have just gotten fast cars. So it should get pretty interesting on the competition side again real soon. There's a guy named Mike Whitney here who may be kicking my ass in an OBS on the 30th. Goooo Mike! :lol:
(and hopefully dowroa and solo2wrx will pull their head out their butt soon, too! :p )
I like competition, I just like going as fast as I can go - in a fast car - much more. I had thought about co-driving one of the POS cars recently, just because winning with the RS was getting a little boring. But I just decided to focus on driving the car and the course better, and letting the competition come to me. Now we have a few guys who are really fast drivers who have just gotten fast cars. So it should get pretty interesting on the competition side again real soon. There's a guy named Mike Whitney here who may be kicking my ass in an OBS on the 30th. Goooo Mike! :lol:
(and hopefully dowroa and solo2wrx will pull their head out their butt soon, too! :p )
| shikataganai | 09-24-2006 11:15 PM |
i just did my first rallyx today (after 12 autoxs this season and last with a few more planned yet in the next month). perhaps it's just an indication of local weakness in my region but i get the feeling that it'd be a lot easier to be competitive in rallyx than in autox.
then again this might just be the difference between running my buddy's stock WRX in Stock AWD at the rallyx vs. running my somewhat underprepared SM WRX at the autox...
then again this might just be the difference between running my buddy's stock WRX in Stock AWD at the rallyx vs. running my somewhat underprepared SM WRX at the autox...
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