| stil2stock | 01-30-2007 12:27 AM |
Azenis vs RS2s
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well, its time for another set of summer/autox tires for me. I just killed a set of azenis RT615s and loved 'em, other than having to hose them down between runs. i've never run on the Hankooks but heard they're pretty good. They're a bit cheaper too (99ea vs 112ea for azenis). I need some pros and cons; whos tried both? THANKS
| rt4me | 01-30-2007 08:42 AM |
Search the Motorsport and Tire and Wheel sections. There are several threads that cover this.
(I've run both and I think the azenis are better for autocross. However, I run RS2s on my car because I like them better on the street plus the price difference.)
(I've run both and I think the azenis are better for autocross. However, I run RS2s on my car because I like them better on the street plus the price difference.)
| KC | 01-30-2007 08:48 AM |
Kooks have a softer sidewall and take a hair longer to take a set in a corner, but they have contingency on a national level.
If auto-x is your main focus for the car, go with the Azenis.
--kC
If auto-x is your main focus for the car, go with the Azenis.
--kC
| Crash477 | 01-30-2007 06:14 PM |
+1 for Azenis. Ive autoxed on both and the feel from the RT615s is much better.. Much better steering response, and better turn in.. The sidewalls are stiffer, and dont require as much negative camber to be fast.
| slowinfastout | 01-30-2007 06:47 PM |
I'll agree that the azenis are a great autocross tire. Pretty decent as a light duty track day tire also.
| JamesWilson | 01-30-2007 10:42 PM |
The Azenis are fast, but with proper setup the Kooks can be just as quick....the few who are running them are still doing dang well, take a look at a few National-level event results in STX and STS2. The Hankooks are a bit softer in the sidewall, but I have always found them to be extremely consistent, even when the tire heats up. Awesome in the rain, even when it is cold (when the Azenis are supposed to have the edge) they work wonderfully....ran them all year in '06 on the RX-7.
Just switched from the old Z211 to the Z214 in the sticky compound....amazing! I will get to try out their R202 rallye tyre this weekend, so far I have been pleasantly impressed by each of their product offerings.
I might be biased, though.
-JW
[SIZE="1"]2007 Hankook Motorsports Factory Driver[/SIZE]
Just switched from the old Z211 to the Z214 in the sticky compound....amazing! I will get to try out their R202 rallye tyre this weekend, so far I have been pleasantly impressed by each of their product offerings.
I might be biased, though.
-JW
[SIZE="1"]2007 Hankook Motorsports Factory Driver[/SIZE]
| stil2stock | 01-30-2007 11:14 PM |
thanks for the input everyone. I'm actually running in a slick-tire class (ESP) so i need as much grip as i can get on my budget, and with my lack of camber control, i'm leaning towards the stiffer sidewalled azenis.
JW, i appreciate the informed input - I'm just concerned i dont have the adjustability to get the "proper setup" to maximize the kooks.
I just wish i could find the azenis at the Kook price!
Size question: 235/40/17 cool? or do i need a 45 series with a 235 width?
also, according to Falken ([url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]) some sizes are "reinforced" and others arent - is this refering to the sidewalls? it shows the 225/45 (what i used to have) as being reinforced, but the 235/40 and 255/40 (what i'm thinking of going to) as not.
JW, i appreciate the informed input - I'm just concerned i dont have the adjustability to get the "proper setup" to maximize the kooks.
I just wish i could find the azenis at the Kook price!
Size question: 235/40/17 cool? or do i need a 45 series with a 235 width?
also, according to Falken ([url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]) some sizes are "reinforced" and others arent - is this refering to the sidewalls? it shows the 225/45 (what i used to have) as being reinforced, but the 235/40 and 255/40 (what i'm thinking of going to) as not.
| kcook | 01-31-2007 09:56 AM |
i plan on getting 615 azenis for autox this upcoming season and i have to drive to every event , but the wheels im using are my DD wheels as well. do u think the tires will still be fine as a DD tire as well as an autox for a whole season ?
| blue blurr | 01-31-2007 10:04 AM |
It's about time for new tires for me too, but I want to run 245's and Azenis don't come in that size. RS2's and the MX's do. Any opinions on either of these two? (Street with 2-3 track days, no autox)
| Mind | 01-31-2007 10:15 AM |
I've heard the MX are awesome when it comes to tracking and heat tolerance. The RS-2 can probably outright grip more, but then MX should last a lot longer on the track.
| kursplat | 01-31-2007 10:52 AM |
[QUOTE=kcook;16876374]i plan on getting 615 azenis for autox this upcoming season and i have to drive to every event , but the wheels im using are my DD wheels as well. do u think the tires will still be fine as a DD tire as well as an autox for a whole season ?[/QUOTE]
i doubt you'll get an entire season on them DD unless you skip practices :( .
i went through 2 sets last year w/about 8 practices and champ events (approx 15-20 runs a weekend), 1 school and about 60mi a day average DD. i just broke down and bought a spare set of rims for auto-x this year, so hopefuly with a little tire management i'll get that full season.
i doubt you'll get an entire season on them DD unless you skip practices :( .
i went through 2 sets last year w/about 8 practices and champ events (approx 15-20 runs a weekend), 1 school and about 60mi a day average DD. i just broke down and bought a spare set of rims for auto-x this year, so hopefuly with a little tire management i'll get that full season.
| grippgoat | 01-31-2007 11:00 AM |
[QUOTE=Mind;16876615]I've heard the MX are awesome when it comes to tracking and heat tolerance. The RS-2 can probably outright grip more, but then MX should last a lot longer on the track.[/QUOTE]
My Miata chunks the hell out of RS2's on the track. Destroyed 2 tires in 2 events (about 10 sessions). They might do better shaved. But in any case, if I can do that to them in a Miata, I'd hate to see what I can do to them in my STI.
-Mike
My Miata chunks the hell out of RS2's on the track. Destroyed 2 tires in 2 events (about 10 sessions). They might do better shaved. But in any case, if I can do that to them in a Miata, I'd hate to see what I can do to them in my STI.
-Mike
| KC | 01-31-2007 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE=blue blurr;16876464]It's about time for new tires for me too, but I want to run 245's and Azenis don't come in that size. RS2's and the MX's do. Any opinions on either of these two? (Street with 2-3 track days, no autox)[/QUOTE] Azenis are available in 245/17s. Not 245/16s. (245/16s you'd get the Falken 451s and have then shaved... but then the Kooks are better than those in that size.)
--kC
--kC
| TubeDriver | 01-31-2007 11:26 AM |
I would just go with the cheaper tire if your competition is all running A6 or V710s. No street tires will get you into the podiom so just save some money and have fun.
My experience with the RS2 on the track is different from gripgoats. I ran brandspanking new, unshaved RS2s on a WRX wagon at VIR for 4 days and they wore like iron (and I had not much camber). The RS2 clearly can put up with more abuse than the RA1.
[QUOTE=stil2stock;16872975]thanks for the input everyone. I'm actually running in a slick-tire class (ESP) so i need as much grip as i can get on my budget, and with my lack of camber control, i'm leaning towards the stiffer sidewalled azenis.
JW, i appreciate the informed input - I'm just concerned i dont have the adjustability to get the "proper setup" to maximize the kooks.
I just wish i could find the azenis at the Kook price!
Size question: 235/40/17 cool? or do i need a 45 series with a 235 width?
also, according to Falken ([url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]) some sizes are "reinforced" and others arent - is this refering to the sidewalls? it shows the 225/45 (what i used to have) as being reinforced, but the 235/40 and 255/40 (what i'm thinking of going to) as not.[/QUOTE]
My experience with the RS2 on the track is different from gripgoats. I ran brandspanking new, unshaved RS2s on a WRX wagon at VIR for 4 days and they wore like iron (and I had not much camber). The RS2 clearly can put up with more abuse than the RA1.
[QUOTE=stil2stock;16872975]thanks for the input everyone. I'm actually running in a slick-tire class (ESP) so i need as much grip as i can get on my budget, and with my lack of camber control, i'm leaning towards the stiffer sidewalled azenis.
JW, i appreciate the informed input - I'm just concerned i dont have the adjustability to get the "proper setup" to maximize the kooks.
I just wish i could find the azenis at the Kook price!
Size question: 235/40/17 cool? or do i need a 45 series with a 235 width?
also, according to Falken ([url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]) some sizes are "reinforced" and others arent - is this refering to the sidewalls? it shows the 225/45 (what i used to have) as being reinforced, but the 235/40 and 255/40 (what i'm thinking of going to) as not.[/QUOTE]
| stil2stock | 01-31-2007 11:37 AM |
[QUOTE=kcook;16876374]i plan on getting 615 azenis for autox this upcoming season and i have to drive to every event , but the wheels im using are my DD wheels as well. do u think the tires will still be fine as a DD tire as well as an autox for a whole season ?[/QUOTE]
I DD on mine for two summers + all the AutoXing i could fit in my schedule (i used my stockers in the winter). So, my experience is different than some of these guys.
I DD on mine for two summers + all the AutoXing i could fit in my schedule (i used my stockers in the winter). So, my experience is different than some of these guys.
| stil2stock | 01-31-2007 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE=blue blurr;16876464]It's about time for new tires for me too, but I want to run 245's and Azenis don't come in that size. RS2's and the MX's do. Any opinions on either of these two? (Street with 2-3 track days, no autox)[/QUOTE]
the manufacturer width isnt everything. look up thier actual tread width, as this can very different - i've seen 225s in one tire be as wide as 245s in a different tire.
the manufacturer width isnt everything. look up thier actual tread width, as this can very different - i've seen 225s in one tire be as wide as 245s in a different tire.
| stil2stock | 01-31-2007 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16877488]Azenis are available in 245/17s. Not 245/16s. (245/16s you'd get the Falken 451s and have then shaved... but then the Kooks are better than those in that size.)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Arent you forgetting the ratios there? azenis are only available in 245/45/17, which is way too tall. there are 235 and 255s in a 40 ratio though.
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]
--kC[/QUOTE]
Arent you forgetting the ratios there? azenis are only available in 245/45/17, which is way too tall. there are 235 and 255s in a 40 ratio though.
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url]
| stil2stock | 01-31-2007 11:42 AM |
[QUOTE=TubeDriver;16877616]I would just go with the cheaper tire if your competition is all running A6 or V710s. No street tires will get you into the podiom so just save some money and have fun.
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree. I've beaten a lot of people on who were running V710s while on my lowly Azenis. Locally at least.
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree. I've beaten a lot of people on who were running V710s while on my lowly Azenis. Locally at least.
| TubeDriver | 01-31-2007 11:46 AM |
Oh, well my hats off you. I would then recommend Azenis since you had them, loved em, and got good results with them.
[QUOTE=stil2stock;16877882]I have to disagree. I've beaten a lot of people on who were running V710s while on my lowly Azenis. Locally at least.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=stil2stock;16877882]I have to disagree. I've beaten a lot of people on who were running V710s while on my lowly Azenis. Locally at least.[/QUOTE]
| scooby_x | 01-31-2007 11:49 AM |
ive had both, and the azenis were superior, although the hankooks will probably last you longer based on the reviews that I read before buying the hankooks.
| stil2stock | 01-31-2007 12:03 PM |
I still havent heard - can i run a 235/40/17 or is that the wrong aspect ratio?
| Kostamojen | 01-31-2007 01:18 PM |
235/40/17 is fine.
| PKer | 01-31-2007 01:31 PM |
[quote=KC;16861407]Kooks have a softer sidewall and take a hair longer to take a set in a corner, but they have contingency on a national level.
If auto-x is your main focus for the car, go with the Azenis.
--kC[/quote]
The Hankook contingency is very generous this year, twice that of Yokohama, and they pay in dollars instead of product coupons now.
(edit: not quite 2x Yok)
If auto-x is your main focus for the car, go with the Azenis.
--kC[/quote]
The Hankook contingency is very generous this year, twice that of Yokohama, and they pay in dollars instead of product coupons now.
(edit: not quite 2x Yok)
| 301wrx | 01-31-2007 01:34 PM |
i ran the hankooks last year until i got my r compounds, but i wasn't too happy with them..they are fine for the street though...i am switching to the rt-615 this year and an r compound tire
| joey1313 | 01-31-2007 01:45 PM |
I dd rt615s on my miata. ~190 miles a day\5 days a week. After 6 months they have plenty of tread, but a 2x4 has more grip than my tires do now. I bought the Miata so I wouldn't put a ton of miles on the STi, now I need to buy another car so I can rest the Miata....lol
| Crash477 | 01-31-2007 07:49 PM |
The RS2 is too soft for the STi, it doesnt work well with it.
| remowgn | 01-31-2007 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Crash477;16885205]The RS2 is too soft for the STi, it doesnt work well with it.[/QUOTE]
Soft in what respect? I've had an overall good experience with RS2's on my wagon with all (and I mean all) of the STI suspension bits.
I'm running the 235/40's, it's a great size.
Soft in what respect? I've had an overall good experience with RS2's on my wagon with all (and I mean all) of the STI suspension bits.
I'm running the 235/40's, it's a great size.
| Crash477 | 01-31-2007 09:06 PM |
too soft meaning ive heard the STi is too heavy for them. I havent driven an STi on them, but that is what I have heard from several.
| Bishop | 01-31-2007 11:43 PM |
how is the road noise between the two?
| afpdl | 02-01-2007 01:12 AM |
[QUOTE=remowgn;16885708]Soft in what respect? I've had an overall good experience with RS2's on my wagon with all (and I mean all) of the STI suspension bits.
I'm running the 235/40's, it's a great size.[/QUOTE]
In the 235 size they are OK, but just about everyone with an STi is running 245s on a 17 inch wheel. And in that size the sidewalls are just too soft. You can still be pretty fast on them, but they dont have the response of the other competitive tires.
I'm running the 235/40's, it's a great size.[/QUOTE]
In the 235 size they are OK, but just about everyone with an STi is running 245s on a 17 inch wheel. And in that size the sidewalls are just too soft. You can still be pretty fast on them, but they dont have the response of the other competitive tires.
| Kostamojen | 02-01-2007 02:46 AM |
[QUOTE=Crash477;16886022]the STi is too heavy [/QUOTE]
Indeed it is :lol:
Indeed it is :lol:
| Aaron B | 02-01-2007 09:50 AM |
[QUOTE=PKer;16879627]The Hankook contingency is very generous this year, twice that of Yokohama, and they pay in dollars instead of product coupons now.
(edit: not quite 2x Yok)[/QUOTE]
Where'd you get that info? All I can find on their site is still just the '06 contingency info. Will they still be paying out for regional events, and if so, will it be in H$ or real money?
*edit
Ok, I found the 2007 Nat'l Tour contingency info on the SCCA's website. I also see that Keven McDonald apparently isn't the contact person at Hankook anymore. I'm really hoping that Jeff Koeler doesn't drop the Regional contingency, it's not that often we have enough people in the class, but it is nice when we do.
(edit: not quite 2x Yok)[/QUOTE]
Where'd you get that info? All I can find on their site is still just the '06 contingency info. Will they still be paying out for regional events, and if so, will it be in H$ or real money?
*edit
Ok, I found the 2007 Nat'l Tour contingency info on the SCCA's website. I also see that Keven McDonald apparently isn't the contact person at Hankook anymore. I'm really hoping that Jeff Koeler doesn't drop the Regional contingency, it's not that often we have enough people in the class, but it is nice when we do.
| JamesWilson | 02-01-2007 08:09 PM |
[quote=Aaron B;16890819]Where'd you get that info? All I can find on their site is still just the '06 contingency info. Will they still be paying out for regional events, and if so, will it be in H$ or real money?
*edit
Ok, I found the 2007 Nat'l Tour contingency info on the SCCA's website. I also see that Keven McDonald apparently isn't the contact person at Hankook anymore. I'm really hoping that Jeff Koeler doesn't drop the Regional contingency, it's not that often we have enough people in the class, but it is nice when we do.[/quote]
Jeff is the contact. I had no idea that they were paying on a Regional level, I won like 15 events last year between two Regions, I was surprised as hell to hear that at PRI!!
I get my R202's tomorrow, yummmmmm!
*edit
Ok, I found the 2007 Nat'l Tour contingency info on the SCCA's website. I also see that Keven McDonald apparently isn't the contact person at Hankook anymore. I'm really hoping that Jeff Koeler doesn't drop the Regional contingency, it's not that often we have enough people in the class, but it is nice when we do.[/quote]
Jeff is the contact. I had no idea that they were paying on a Regional level, I won like 15 events last year between two Regions, I was surprised as hell to hear that at PRI!!
I get my R202's tomorrow, yummmmmm!
| Aaron B | 02-02-2007 09:47 AM |
Go contingency download forms on the Hankook website, and you'll see a form for "SCCA Regional Event" It doesn't specify the type of event ;) I paid for at least a couple tires that way last year.
| JamesWilson | 02-02-2007 10:09 AM |
Hankook Tires:
SCCA National Tour--
1st: $400
2nd: $300
3rd: $150
SCCA ProSolo--
1st: $400
2nd: $300
3rd: $200
Challenge: $600
Finale 1st: $1000
Finale 2nd: $500
Finale 3rd: $250
Challenge Overall: $1000
On the hole, I would say preparation "H" feels pretty good!!
SCCA National Tour--
1st: $400
2nd: $300
3rd: $150
SCCA ProSolo--
1st: $400
2nd: $300
3rd: $200
Challenge: $600
Finale 1st: $1000
Finale 2nd: $500
Finale 3rd: $250
Challenge Overall: $1000
On the hole, I would say preparation "H" feels pretty good!!
| Aaron B | 02-02-2007 12:11 PM |
yes, it does feel good, ON THE HOLE...
| afpdl | 02-02-2007 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Aaron B;16904596]Go contingency download forms on the Hankook website, and you'll see a form for "SCCA Regional Event" It doesn't specify the type of event ;) I paid for at least a couple tires that way last year.[/QUOTE]
Ill be damned [url]http://www.hankooktireusa.com/pdf/contingency/2006ContingencySCCARegional.pdf[/url]
I think its pretty obvious that it is intended for regional road races, but there is no indication that it is not for solo anywhere on the form. Hell they even have contingency for BMW and PCA events.
If I would have only known last year.
Ill be damned [url]http://www.hankooktireusa.com/pdf/contingency/2006ContingencySCCARegional.pdf[/url]
I think its pretty obvious that it is intended for regional road races, but there is no indication that it is not for solo anywhere on the form. Hell they even have contingency for BMW and PCA events.
If I would have only known last year.
| stil2stock | 02-02-2007 05:21 PM |
In the last column here: [url]http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html[/url] some sizes are "reinforced" and others arent. What is that refering to???
apparently my old 225/45s were but the 235/40s arent? reinforced how?
apparently my old 225/45s were but the 235/40s arent? reinforced how?
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