| xS2k | 04-17-2006 10:56 PM |
Do these bars do anything but add weight?
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Ok, I was gutting my car. Everytime I drive my RS after driving the L, the RS feels like a FAT @$$. Now the RS has to go on a diet. Do these bars do anything, but add weight? That white bar seems super weak and that gray bar looks heavy as hell. Anyways, what do you guys think...
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/skyliner017/DSC02432.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/skyliner017/DSC02432.jpg[/IMG]
| xS2k | 04-17-2006 11:05 PM |
If I take out the gray bar, I can still put in the seats fine. Also, since I've own this car, only about 2 or 3 persons sat in the back. i'm thinking about just leaving the back seats out and put some custom carpets in there to cover the white spots.
The tar is a B*tch to remove...
The tar is a B*tch to remove...
| THEW0RX | 04-17-2006 11:12 PM |
I think you're better off leaving them. They look important to me....but what do i know
| disillusioned | 04-17-2006 11:26 PM |
can i have the pen?
| rally_on | 04-17-2006 11:59 PM |
rigidity?
gives the seats some structure
gives the seats some structure
| STi-JDM | 04-18-2006 12:01 AM |
the lower bar is for the sideimpact... doesn't do anything with rigidity... I took mine off... since nobody sit in the rear... lol
| DumbUglyDragon | 04-18-2006 12:08 AM |
The top one doesnt seem important, but the one under the seat looks like a brace. Sideimpact maybe?
| circaisdashiat | 04-18-2006 12:14 AM |
i think the top one supposert the back of the seat so it doesnt fold in when you sit on it. The L has these same bars in it.
| wagonblues | 04-18-2006 12:18 AM |
I think you should keep the bars, but maybe remove the pen and any old change, damn man what else you got hidin in there :lol:
| sluflyer06 | 04-18-2006 12:21 AM |
leave the gray one...taking it out will only decrease rigidity.
| Handsdown | 04-18-2006 12:31 AM |
if you remove it, NEVER PUT ANYONE YOU WANT TO SEE ALIVE in the backseat. also, that's right around the location of the gas tank, don't be surprised if it ruptures in a side impact. it was nice knowing you.
| xS2k | 04-18-2006 12:31 AM |
[QUOTE=wagonblues]I think you should keep the bars, but maybe remove the pen and any old change, damn man what else you got hidin in there :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol: My car is like a hidden treasure. I found a pack of fireworks under the spare wheel when I bought it. There were also some empty little baggies. Not sure what it was contained with, probably pot. There are all kinds of crap under the carpet. It was dirty, I spent 11 hours cleaning the entire interior.
:lol: My car is like a hidden treasure. I found a pack of fireworks under the spare wheel when I bought it. There were also some empty little baggies. Not sure what it was contained with, probably pot. There are all kinds of crap under the carpet. It was dirty, I spent 11 hours cleaning the entire interior.
| circaisdashiat | 04-18-2006 12:38 AM |
i found a pipe in the instrument panel cover!! :lol: :banana:
| jfizzle024 | 04-18-2006 12:45 AM |
leave em, its not worth taking out and the slight weight decrease wont do much if anything anyways.
| ein86 | 04-18-2006 12:57 AM |
[QUOTE=xS2k]The tar is a B*tch to remove...[/QUOTE]
heat gun and some sort of scraping tool, comes out like butter. fairly thick, tough butter....but still.....
leave the bars, remove the sound deadening, put every bit of it in a box, smile as you lift the box after you removed all of it and realize how much weight you pulled out.
heat gun and some sort of scraping tool, comes out like butter. fairly thick, tough butter....but still.....
leave the bars, remove the sound deadening, put every bit of it in a box, smile as you lift the box after you removed all of it and realize how much weight you pulled out.
| Pat L.I. | 04-18-2006 07:35 AM |
if anything they add a bit of stiffness to the car during cornering, as well as side impact as others have mentioned..
you will not notice any difference in weight or performance with these removed so you might as well leave them in. maybe drain your winshield washer bucket! or take out your spare. probably would have the same effect!
you will not notice any difference in weight or performance with these removed so you might as well leave them in. maybe drain your winshield washer bucket! or take out your spare. probably would have the same effect!
| lawn boy | 04-18-2006 12:01 PM |
you wouldnt notice such minimal weightloss. its better to have a rigid/safe car.
| BurtonCR | 04-18-2006 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=ein86]heat gun and some sort of scraping tool, comes out like butter. fairly thick, tough butter....but still.....
leave the bars, remove the sound deadening, put every bit of it in a box, smile as you lift the box after you removed all of it and realize how much weight you pulled out.[/QUOTE]
Thats the hard way. Buy some dry ice, smash it up, lay it all over the sound deadening, wait 30min, smash with hammer and it breaks off like glass.
leave the bars, remove the sound deadening, put every bit of it in a box, smile as you lift the box after you removed all of it and realize how much weight you pulled out.[/QUOTE]
Thats the hard way. Buy some dry ice, smash it up, lay it all over the sound deadening, wait 30min, smash with hammer and it breaks off like glass.
| Astroguy | 04-18-2006 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]if you remove it, NEVER PUT ANYONE YOU WANT TO SEE ALIVE in the backseat. also, that's right around the location of the gas tank, don't be surprised if it ruptures in a side impact. it was nice knowing you.[/QUOTE]
No kidding, be careful removing these safety items from your car. Another thing I always see is people removing the seats with the built in airbags, and in this thread pondering to remove some structural elements from the car. Heaven forbid you ever get in a wreck, and worse someone is killed in your car, you could be in a world of financial hurt should the insurance companies find you've tampered with safety items (i.e. they may not cover you!) Just keep that in mind while you're ripping all this stuff out.
No kidding, be careful removing these safety items from your car. Another thing I always see is people removing the seats with the built in airbags, and in this thread pondering to remove some structural elements from the car. Heaven forbid you ever get in a wreck, and worse someone is killed in your car, you could be in a world of financial hurt should the insurance companies find you've tampered with safety items (i.e. they may not cover you!) Just keep that in mind while you're ripping all this stuff out.
| Samirr76 | 04-18-2006 05:30 PM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]if you remove it, NEVER PUT ANYONE YOU WANT TO SEE ALIVE in the backseat. also, that's right around the location of the gas tank, don't be surprised if it ruptures in a side impact. it was nice knowing you.[/QUOTE]
Uh yeah what he said. If you want to lose weight, remove stuff thats not there to protect you.
Uh yeah what he said. If you want to lose weight, remove stuff thats not there to protect you.
| t3hWIT | 04-19-2006 01:11 AM |
Bottome one -> side impact
Top one -> keep ish in the trunk from going through the seat in a hard stop.
Top one -> keep ish in the trunk from going through the seat in a hard stop.
| t3hWIT | 04-19-2006 01:12 AM |
They don't weigh much anyways, why give up a little protection for a pound or two?
| White 2.5rs | 04-19-2006 01:41 AM |
jesus christ
leave those!
theyre like 2lbs and will probably save the persons legs in the back seat!!!
leave those!
theyre like 2lbs and will probably save the persons legs in the back seat!!!
| greg donovan | 04-19-2006 02:06 AM |
all subaru sedans have the white bar there. at least imprezas and lagacies since 1990.
my legacies dont have the gray bar. i wonder if i could add it to them? would love to have my kids be safer back there.
my legacies dont have the gray bar. i wonder if i could add it to them? would love to have my kids be safer back there.
| xS2k | 04-19-2006 04:43 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]all subaru sedans have the white bar there. at least imprezas and lagacies since 1990.
my legacies dont have the gray bar. i wonder if i could add it to them? would love to have my kids be safer back there.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you can, check to see if you have holes already there to bolt up.
my legacies dont have the gray bar. i wonder if i could add it to them? would love to have my kids be safer back there.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you can, check to see if you have holes already there to bolt up.
| WRXSIG | 04-19-2006 10:38 AM |
why dont you just boost it....be a whole lot safer.
id be pissed if i was riding in some clowns car that removed the side impact bar because they wanted to lighten some weight.
btw 2 bars isnt going to make a difference. Not even 2 bars, a backseat and a spare tire. slow cars are slow cars.
id be pissed if i was riding in some clowns car that removed the side impact bar because they wanted to lighten some weight.
btw 2 bars isnt going to make a difference. Not even 2 bars, a backseat and a spare tire. slow cars are slow cars.
| powerlabs | 04-19-2006 10:44 AM |
Here is my suggestion:
[IMG]http://www.powerlabs.org/images/stiic.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.powerlabs.org/images/stiic.jpg[/IMG]
| 7th Subaru | 04-19-2006 07:07 PM |
Powerlabs: LOL, Too funny, but TRUE!
and thank you xS2k for a great question.
and thank you xS2k for a great question.
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 03:34 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]why dont you just boost it....be a whole lot safer.
id be pissed if i was riding in some clowns car that removed the side impact bar because they wanted to lighten some weight.
btw 2 bars isnt going to make a difference. Not even 2 bars, a backseat and a spare tire. slow cars are slow cars.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I get it now...at first they don't look like impact bars since they don't fully go across the back seat of the car. They look more like the bottom "seat support." I need to have the back seats out anyways to lug 7-8 snowboards sometimes. Yes, I sell used/repaired snowboards...
id be pissed if i was riding in some clowns car that removed the side impact bar because they wanted to lighten some weight.
btw 2 bars isnt going to make a difference. Not even 2 bars, a backseat and a spare tire. slow cars are slow cars.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I get it now...at first they don't look like impact bars since they don't fully go across the back seat of the car. They look more like the bottom "seat support." I need to have the back seats out anyways to lug 7-8 snowboards sometimes. Yes, I sell used/repaired snowboards...
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 03:37 AM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]Here is my suggestion:
[IMG]http://www.powerlabs.org/images/stiic.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What's your point? I'm not trying to make this car faster. It's super slow, and it'll probably be slow it's whole life. It feels FAT compared to the L, so im trying to make it "feel" lighter.
[IMG]http://www.powerlabs.org/images/stiic.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What's your point? I'm not trying to make this car faster. It's super slow, and it'll probably be slow it's whole life. It feels FAT compared to the L, so im trying to make it "feel" lighter.
| Uncle Scotty | 04-20-2006 10:41 AM |
[QUOTE=xS2k]What's your point? I'm not trying to make this car faster. It's super slow, and it'll probably be slow it's whole life. It feels FAT compared to the L, so im trying to make it "feel" lighter.[/QUOTE]
....so stop doing such stupid things to it and buy a different car and sell the nice RS to someone who won't do such stupid things to it :rolleyes:
....so stop doing such stupid things to it and buy a different car and sell the nice RS to someone who won't do such stupid things to it :rolleyes:
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....so stop doing such stupid things to it and buy a different car and sell the nice RS to someone who won't do such stupid things to it :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Are you F*cking retarded? Read the orginal post!!!! It says "do these bars do anything but add weight?" It was a technical/opinion tread. So F**CK off
No where did it says "I'm going to remove all the protection" :rolleyes:
Are you F*cking retarded? Read the orginal post!!!! It says "do these bars do anything but add weight?" It was a technical/opinion tread. So F**CK off
No where did it says "I'm going to remove all the protection" :rolleyes:
| powerlabs | 04-20-2006 02:14 PM |
[QUOTE=xS2k]What's your point? I'm not trying to make this car faster. It's super slow, and it'll probably be slow it's whole life. It feels FAT compared to the L, so im trying to make it "feel" lighter.[/QUOTE]
My point is that vehicles weight as much as they do for 3 reasons:
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.
My point is that vehicles weight as much as they do for 3 reasons:
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.
| oldmansan | 04-20-2006 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=xS2k]Are you F*cking retarded? Read the orginal post!!!! It says "do these bars do anything but add weight?" It was a technical/opinion tread. So F**CK off
No where did it says "I'm going to remove all the protection" :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Let me be the first to call you a n00b. You've earned it. Uncle Scotty knows nothing, you are the man! Leave already. Seriously.
San (n00b moderator)
No where did it says "I'm going to remove all the protection" :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Let me be the first to call you a n00b. You've earned it. Uncle Scotty knows nothing, you are the man! Leave already. Seriously.
San (n00b moderator)
| kracker | 04-20-2006 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]My point is that vehicles weight as much as they do for 3 reasons:
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.[/QUOTE]
Removing 500lbs is a bit extreme... :huh: Just for comparison I guess. That being said, I have to agree with powerlabs on this one. Leave the bars.
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.[/QUOTE]
Removing 500lbs is a bit extreme... :huh: Just for comparison I guess. That being said, I have to agree with powerlabs on this one. Leave the bars.
| powerlabs | 04-20-2006 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE=kracker]Removing 500lbs is a bit extreme... :huh: Just for comparison I guess. That being said, I have to agree with powerlabs on this one. Leave the bars.[/QUOTE]
Well, the first imprezas weight a full 500lbs less than the current model STI...
Does that make them a better car though? :rolleyes:
Well, the first imprezas weight a full 500lbs less than the current model STI...
Does that make them a better car though? :rolleyes:
| WRXSIG | 04-20-2006 05:09 PM |
are you guys gonna fight?!?!
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 07:38 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]My point is that vehicles weight as much as they do for 3 reasons:
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.[/QUOTE]
I understand you're saying Power > weight reductions BUT, You're missing my point. NO WHERE in the this thread did I say I was going to make a race car or track it for that matter, OR try to make this car super light by removing everything.
I clean out my interior, take out the seats and find these bars. I post up a thread asking "do these bars do anything?" [B]IF and ONLY IF[/B] they are useless I was going to remove them. Hell, by me saying "my car is going on diet," everyone already "assume" I was going to remove everything. I guess I should edit my post by removing "diet."
If I wanted fast car, I can sell my L and pour lots of money into the RS for a swap.
1- Cost
2- Safety
3- Stiffness
2 and 3 are somewhat related. Unless you do away with 1 and start replacing components for lightweight materials, you will compromise 2 and 3. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AROUND IT.
So why would you want to compromise your safety and your vehicle body's stiffness?
Unless you are a complete idiot, which I think you are not, you would want to do it to improve either handling, or acceleration.
You can improve acceleration by increasing horsepower. THAT WAS MY POINT.
You can improve handling by using stiffer swaybars, stickier tires, stiffer shocks.
You and me, on the race track. You take out 500lbs, I add 150 horsepower, who do you think will win?
Now we both crash. Who is going to be better off?
Plus inevitably weight reduction results in noisy, rattling cars. I have done *some* weight reduction to my car, but those bars are not one of those things I would remove. Lately I have been adding weight to my car in the form of heavier brakes, heavier sway bars and strut bars because for me braking and frame stiffness are becomming more important; you just can't put a lot of power down on a weak flexing chassis.
My point is made.[/QUOTE]
I understand you're saying Power > weight reductions BUT, You're missing my point. NO WHERE in the this thread did I say I was going to make a race car or track it for that matter, OR try to make this car super light by removing everything.
I clean out my interior, take out the seats and find these bars. I post up a thread asking "do these bars do anything?" [B]IF and ONLY IF[/B] they are useless I was going to remove them. Hell, by me saying "my car is going on diet," everyone already "assume" I was going to remove everything. I guess I should edit my post by removing "diet."
If I wanted fast car, I can sell my L and pour lots of money into the RS for a swap.
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 07:44 PM |
[QUOTE=oldmansan]Let me be the first to call you a n00b. You've earned it. Uncle Scotty knows nothing, you are the man! Leave already. Seriously.
San (n00b moderator)[/QUOTE]
Not everyone spend 24 hours/day on this forum posting to become special, I mean "specialist." :rolleyes:
San (n00b moderator)[/QUOTE]
Not everyone spend 24 hours/day on this forum posting to become special, I mean "specialist." :rolleyes:
| supermarkus | 04-20-2006 07:46 PM |
I say take them off and post your results :devil:
| xS2k | 04-20-2006 10:32 PM |
I guess I'm not alone:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403036&highlight=weight+reduction+bar+rear+seat[/url]
and a few other people done it here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292590&page=2&pp=25&highlight=weight+reduction+rear+seat[/url]
The bars will stay in the car...end of story!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403036&highlight=weight+reduction+bar+rear+seat[/url]
and a few other people done it here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292590&page=2&pp=25&highlight=weight+reduction+rear+seat[/url]
The bars will stay in the car...end of story!
| oldmansan | 04-21-2006 01:51 AM |
[QUOTE=xS2k]Not everyone spend 24 hours/day on this forum posting to become special, I mean "specialist." :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
"Not everyone spend time to study English". Wow, you've been here for almost a week. I should mind my manners and appoint you king of NASIOC. God knows the information you've posted is priceless. If I had a nickle for every n00b I encountered here I'd be rich.
San
"Not everyone spend time to study English". Wow, you've been here for almost a week. I should mind my manners and appoint you king of NASIOC. God knows the information you've posted is priceless. If I had a nickle for every n00b I encountered here I'd be rich.
San
| xS2k | 04-21-2006 04:35 AM |
[QUOTE=oldmansan]"Not everyone spend time to study English". Wow, you've been here for almost a week. I should mind my manners and appoint you king of NASIOC. God knows the information you've posted is priceless. If I had a nickle for every n00b I encountered here I'd be rich.
San[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that's how much you're worth, a nickel, not "nickle."
San[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that's how much you're worth, a nickel, not "nickle."
| SilentShadow | 04-21-2006 05:49 AM |
oldmansan and Uncle Scotty you guys should relax you'r asses you are waaay too tight, for the love of god xS2k asked a good question! very importent for other people to know (good informative replayes), he didnt say he is doing that and no nothing, besides who the f**k you guys think you are?! if he wanted to remove them let him and shut your mouth s****d punks.
Hate when poeple are so "hasidiem" who think they are all that and then some, climbing too hight on a tree, someone in the end will take you down.
Now go and attack my english since you probably dont have any other smart thing to replay with.
P.S
supermarkus pure evilness! :)
EDIT: I know my post is how to say a bit "strong" I am not going to change for the reason that I feel like you guys have attacked xS2k for no good reason, dont take my post the wrong way I'm just trying to make a point.
Hate when poeple are so "hasidiem" who think they are all that and then some, climbing too hight on a tree, someone in the end will take you down.
Now go and attack my english since you probably dont have any other smart thing to replay with.
P.S
supermarkus pure evilness! :)
EDIT: I know my post is how to say a bit "strong" I am not going to change for the reason that I feel like you guys have attacked xS2k for no good reason, dont take my post the wrong way I'm just trying to make a point.
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