| Kwyjibo | 06-29-2005 04:50 AM |
Do you think that the FIA is ruining F1?
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I'm sure a lot of you are following all the recent events at Indy, and the proposed rule changes for 2008. By tomorrow afternoon we'll know the results of the meeting taking place with the 7 Michelin teams and the FIA, and we may even see a new GP come about due to these "problems". But why does it need to be this way? Why can't the sport live on and grow?
I personally think that the FIA is to blame for the lack of teams participating in F1. A few simple steps could do so much for the sport, and well as our automotive future. Listen to the teams, work with them to come to a compromise, they are your livelihood...without them there is no sport, there are no fans, and there is no money.
Money seems to be the biggest driving force, both for and against the sport. And this is understandable, any business wants to make as much money and be as profitable as possible. And it's obvious that the team(s) that spends the most will do the best (to a point of diminishing return, obviously).
These teams pour there heart and soul into F1. They strive to do the best with what they have, even if they don't win. Sauber (for example) has been at the back of the grid for a long time, but they still try. Why not given them something in return? Why not give all the teams a share?
I'm sure if Mosley sat down with ALL the teams and listened to what they have to say, and actually consider it, we all benefit. It's obvious that some teams bring in more money than others do, but why can't they come up with a system where all the teams benefit from the profits? I understand you can't give everyone an equal share, but there could easily be a scale to determine how much you get. For example, 1st place gets X amount, 2nd gets 95% of that, 3rd gets 90%, 4th gets 85%, 5th gets 80% then a jump to say 60% for 6th, and go down from there. The FIA may lose some money initially, but if this brings more teams (both factory and private) then you are also making more money. It's only fair to give the top 5 or so a larger share because they are putting on a better show, but that also gives the teams at the back something to strive for. You don't need to make it less expensive to race; you need to give more to the teams.
It looks like the goal of the 2008 rules is to make it more affordable to race in F1, but then we all lose. Competition brings out the best in people/teams/technology, and with the later we all win. Don't make it cheaper to compete, give the teams more money to use. Why can't the FIA listen to what rules the teams want, tell the teams what they think, and then come to a compromise? Again, we all win. The technological gain from these teams busting their asses to produce the most advances machines is immeasurable. That technology helps make our passenger cars safer, more reliable and a hell of a lot cooler (maybe not immediately, but the technology used in racing will trickle down into passenger cars eventually, like traction control has). Even with the tire manufacturers, more testing for both Michelin and Bridgestone means safer/better tires for our cars.
F1 is very different from a lot of sports. It isn't like the NBA where one team disappearing isn't that big a deal. With F1 you have manufacturers who are so big that some countries economies depend on them. Who wouldn't like to see Ford come back to F1? Imagine being able to draw in Ford/GM/Chevy/Lotus ect, either by themselves or through other private teams (i.e. BAR Honda, Williams BMW, etc). BMW moving back into F1 is awesome, and I would love to see other factories follow suit....but not at the expense of losing private teams.
Hopefully in tomorrows meeting Mosely won't do anything more than reprimand the teams...anything more and I believe the teams won't stand for it...you can only place so many straws on the camel before you break it's back. He should be using what happened at Indy as a lesson learned and listen to what the teams have to say....then maybe they won't all be calling for his resignation.
I'd like to hear some differing opinions, or even people who agree with me...the bottom line here is that it would be a shame for F1 to disappear. There is too much herritage and history to just throw it away and start anew with another GP series.
I personally think that the FIA is to blame for the lack of teams participating in F1. A few simple steps could do so much for the sport, and well as our automotive future. Listen to the teams, work with them to come to a compromise, they are your livelihood...without them there is no sport, there are no fans, and there is no money.
Money seems to be the biggest driving force, both for and against the sport. And this is understandable, any business wants to make as much money and be as profitable as possible. And it's obvious that the team(s) that spends the most will do the best (to a point of diminishing return, obviously).
These teams pour there heart and soul into F1. They strive to do the best with what they have, even if they don't win. Sauber (for example) has been at the back of the grid for a long time, but they still try. Why not given them something in return? Why not give all the teams a share?
I'm sure if Mosley sat down with ALL the teams and listened to what they have to say, and actually consider it, we all benefit. It's obvious that some teams bring in more money than others do, but why can't they come up with a system where all the teams benefit from the profits? I understand you can't give everyone an equal share, but there could easily be a scale to determine how much you get. For example, 1st place gets X amount, 2nd gets 95% of that, 3rd gets 90%, 4th gets 85%, 5th gets 80% then a jump to say 60% for 6th, and go down from there. The FIA may lose some money initially, but if this brings more teams (both factory and private) then you are also making more money. It's only fair to give the top 5 or so a larger share because they are putting on a better show, but that also gives the teams at the back something to strive for. You don't need to make it less expensive to race; you need to give more to the teams.
It looks like the goal of the 2008 rules is to make it more affordable to race in F1, but then we all lose. Competition brings out the best in people/teams/technology, and with the later we all win. Don't make it cheaper to compete, give the teams more money to use. Why can't the FIA listen to what rules the teams want, tell the teams what they think, and then come to a compromise? Again, we all win. The technological gain from these teams busting their asses to produce the most advances machines is immeasurable. That technology helps make our passenger cars safer, more reliable and a hell of a lot cooler (maybe not immediately, but the technology used in racing will trickle down into passenger cars eventually, like traction control has). Even with the tire manufacturers, more testing for both Michelin and Bridgestone means safer/better tires for our cars.
F1 is very different from a lot of sports. It isn't like the NBA where one team disappearing isn't that big a deal. With F1 you have manufacturers who are so big that some countries economies depend on them. Who wouldn't like to see Ford come back to F1? Imagine being able to draw in Ford/GM/Chevy/Lotus ect, either by themselves or through other private teams (i.e. BAR Honda, Williams BMW, etc). BMW moving back into F1 is awesome, and I would love to see other factories follow suit....but not at the expense of losing private teams.
Hopefully in tomorrows meeting Mosely won't do anything more than reprimand the teams...anything more and I believe the teams won't stand for it...you can only place so many straws on the camel before you break it's back. He should be using what happened at Indy as a lesson learned and listen to what the teams have to say....then maybe they won't all be calling for his resignation.
I'd like to hear some differing opinions, or even people who agree with me...the bottom line here is that it would be a shame for F1 to disappear. There is too much herritage and history to just throw it away and start anew with another GP series.
| artkevin | 06-29-2005 09:25 AM |
I think the FIA is becoming a bigger and bigger problem as time goes on. Its stragne becuase you need a strong leader to get all the kids to play nice and fair with each other but at the same time you need a understanding leader too. I think they should lay off all the rule changes that they roll out on a regular basis. The way they are handling the 2007 rules is fine. Show the rules, talk about them and put them in place. YEARS in advance, not weeks.
I am going to hear it for this but I also think Ferrari are part of the problem. I am no Ferrari hater, I really respect them and I think they are a great orginisation but they oftn act like their poo don't stink. They more then any other team goes off and does their own thing which is their right but at the same time I don't think they think about the future of the sport and how their actions in the short term slants everything from their. Case in point, Fiarono test track. If I had a private test track I would use the hell out of it too but the other 9 teams have agreed not to have unlimited testing. Ferrari seems to given them all the finger. Good for Ferrari, bad for the sport. I guess I would just think them to be able to sit at the table and help the sport move forward ore often.
KP
I am going to hear it for this but I also think Ferrari are part of the problem. I am no Ferrari hater, I really respect them and I think they are a great orginisation but they oftn act like their poo don't stink. They more then any other team goes off and does their own thing which is their right but at the same time I don't think they think about the future of the sport and how their actions in the short term slants everything from their. Case in point, Fiarono test track. If I had a private test track I would use the hell out of it too but the other 9 teams have agreed not to have unlimited testing. Ferrari seems to given them all the finger. Good for Ferrari, bad for the sport. I guess I would just think them to be able to sit at the table and help the sport move forward ore often.
KP
| Kwyjibo | 06-29-2005 02:18 PM |
Yes it definetly is a problem that Ferrari has so much sway with the FIA. They also get a larger share of the profits than any other team.
Ferrari is definetly to be respected. They have a lot of racing herritage....and in a sense if they were able to get a larger portion of the profits and work out a "you scratch my back, i scratch yours" with the FIA then good for them, but it does hurt the sport as a whole.
Ferrari is definetly to be respected. They have a lot of racing herritage....and in a sense if they were able to get a larger portion of the profits and work out a "you scratch my back, i scratch yours" with the FIA then good for them, but it does hurt the sport as a whole.
| St205gt4 | 06-29-2005 02:33 PM |
I'll be surprised if the FIA goes to hard on the teams that didn't race at Indy, precisely because they know how close to the edge they are as far as losing administration over the category altogether.
I also think Ferrari are playing a dangerous and very arrogant game at the moment. If the excrement does hit the fan and the other manufacturers do decide to go it alone, they'll be left there going it alone with their big slice of the profits from a non existant category. I think they over-rate themselves and their importance to the category. Let's be honest, if they did get in a huff for some reason and decided to leave I'm sure there would be a lot of disappointed fans, but I don't think it would kill the category. There are a lot of other teams in F1 with excellent pedigrees such as Wiliams, McLaren and Renault (off and on admittedly). So in some respects I sort of hope that there is a break away category formed and Ferrari have to taste a little bit of humble pie.
I also think Ferrari are playing a dangerous and very arrogant game at the moment. If the excrement does hit the fan and the other manufacturers do decide to go it alone, they'll be left there going it alone with their big slice of the profits from a non existant category. I think they over-rate themselves and their importance to the category. Let's be honest, if they did get in a huff for some reason and decided to leave I'm sure there would be a lot of disappointed fans, but I don't think it would kill the category. There are a lot of other teams in F1 with excellent pedigrees such as Wiliams, McLaren and Renault (off and on admittedly). So in some respects I sort of hope that there is a break away category formed and Ferrari have to taste a little bit of humble pie.
| MattDell | 06-29-2005 02:53 PM |
I think the FIA is ruining both F1 AND WRC. :o
| Kwyjibo | 06-29-2005 03:01 PM |
Looks like the FIA found the teams guilty on two counts, but are leaving sentancing till September 14th.
It seems as if the FIA is waiting to see how the teams and Michelin will repsond and react to what happened at Indy....if they feel that they have done enough the penalties will be quick and painless, if they feel enough hasn't been done then they will be more severe.
The FIA is also having a bad back-and-forth with Michelin at the moment. Blaming them for not having a safe back-up tire of different construction.....the FIA is calling for all Michelin tire failures over the past 2 years which they want to have analyzed by their own people, the outcome of which could casue them to excercise their powers under article 127, which basically says any car they deem unsafe, they can pull from the grid.
Looks as if the 7 teams are meeting separately at a Hotel later today to discuss the meeting with the FIA.
It seems as if the FIA is waiting to see how the teams and Michelin will repsond and react to what happened at Indy....if they feel that they have done enough the penalties will be quick and painless, if they feel enough hasn't been done then they will be more severe.
The FIA is also having a bad back-and-forth with Michelin at the moment. Blaming them for not having a safe back-up tire of different construction.....the FIA is calling for all Michelin tire failures over the past 2 years which they want to have analyzed by their own people, the outcome of which could casue them to excercise their powers under article 127, which basically says any car they deem unsafe, they can pull from the grid.
Looks as if the 7 teams are meeting separately at a Hotel later today to discuss the meeting with the FIA.
| artkevin | 06-29-2005 03:09 PM |
Did you guys know that Ferrari is paid by all the other 9 teams for a "historical fund"? I read an interview with Minardi boss Paul Stottard and he wouldn't go into detail about it but Matt Bishop, editor in cheif of F1 Racing magazine, confirmed it. Basically F1 wouldn't be F1 without the Scuderia so the other teams literally have to pay homage to them.
| finnRex | 06-29-2005 03:44 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Did you guys know that Ferrari is paid by all the other 9 teams for a "historical fund"? I read an interview with Minardi boss Paul Stottard and he wouldn't go into detail about it but Matt Bishop, editor in cheif of F1 Racing magazine, confirmed it. Basically F1 wouldn't be F1 without the Scuderia so the other teams literally have to pay homage to them.[/QUOTE]
Wow, I did not know that. Ferrari wouldn't be Ferrari, they'd just be Fiat without F1. It's sad how unfairly lopsided the $$$ is in F1. Oh well. That's business....
Mika
Wow, I did not know that. Ferrari wouldn't be Ferrari, they'd just be Fiat without F1. It's sad how unfairly lopsided the $$$ is in F1. Oh well. That's business....
Mika
| artkevin | 06-29-2005 03:48 PM |
Nah baby, thats bidnez! :lol:
Where you been Mika? You've been quite on the boards lately. 1 none win for your countryman and you get quite on us?
Where you been Mika? You've been quite on the boards lately. 1 none win for your countryman and you get quite on us?
| chaddeus | 07-01-2005 10:22 PM |
Sometimes, listening to your customers demand is the best thing you can do but not all the time. Customer want their Subaru to be 350HP stock, they want their car to do this and that and only be paying a small sum of money. However, some things are just not practical under the FIA point of view.
For this case, is it fair for teams who can run the high speed corner to suit the other teams who cannot do it? If you say FIA should compromise to make the Indy event happen, then what is the point of FIA who are supposed to be firm in their actions.
So in the future, if anybody is unhappy with FIA, they can just threaten to boycott the event unless FIA change the rules. So now, the questions goes on who run FIA, the Majority (Michelin teams) or FIA?
- Charles
For this case, is it fair for teams who can run the high speed corner to suit the other teams who cannot do it? If you say FIA should compromise to make the Indy event happen, then what is the point of FIA who are supposed to be firm in their actions.
So in the future, if anybody is unhappy with FIA, they can just threaten to boycott the event unless FIA change the rules. So now, the questions goes on who run FIA, the Majority (Michelin teams) or FIA?
- Charles
| Kwyjibo | 07-01-2005 11:53 PM |
[QUOTE=chaddeus]Sometimes, listening to your customers demand is the best thing you can do but not all the time. Customer want their Subaru to be 350HP stock, they want their car to do this and that and only be paying a small sum of money. However, some things are just not practical under the FIA point of view.
For this case, is it fair for teams who can run the high speed corner to suit the other teams who cannot do it? If you say FIA should compromise to make the Indy event happen, then what is the point of FIA who are supposed to be firm in their actions.
So in the future, if anybody is unhappy with FIA, they can just threaten to boycott the event unless FIA change the rules. So now, the questions goes on who run FIA, the Majority (Michelin teams) or FIA?
- Charles[/QUOTE]
As soon as those two Michelin cars crashed the FIA should have had a worst case senario plan lined up. Pulling the sanctioning for the race and running with no points was the only option in my point of view.
There is no sport without the fans, and giving the fans a show is what mattered....have you seen F1 ticket prices? How about all those people who took time off work, flew out there, stayed in a hotel and got shafted?
But then one can also understand that no one would have come to the aid of the bridgestone teams....
however, had michelin been able to test at the track prior to the event, maybe we wouldn't have had this problem at all.
For this case, is it fair for teams who can run the high speed corner to suit the other teams who cannot do it? If you say FIA should compromise to make the Indy event happen, then what is the point of FIA who are supposed to be firm in their actions.
So in the future, if anybody is unhappy with FIA, they can just threaten to boycott the event unless FIA change the rules. So now, the questions goes on who run FIA, the Majority (Michelin teams) or FIA?
- Charles[/QUOTE]
As soon as those two Michelin cars crashed the FIA should have had a worst case senario plan lined up. Pulling the sanctioning for the race and running with no points was the only option in my point of view.
There is no sport without the fans, and giving the fans a show is what mattered....have you seen F1 ticket prices? How about all those people who took time off work, flew out there, stayed in a hotel and got shafted?
But then one can also understand that no one would have come to the aid of the bridgestone teams....
however, had michelin been able to test at the track prior to the event, maybe we wouldn't have had this problem at all.
| bal00 | 07-02-2005 06:22 AM |
The fans got shafted because a lot of teams didn't have proper equipment to run the race.
A no points race would have been an even bigger farce, because none of the competitive teams would have messed up their engine and risked their car/driver without anything to gain. After lap 10, there would only be Minardi and Jordan left doing parade laps for sponsor exposure.
Yes, the fans are important, but the fans are there to watch a SPORT event, and if you change the rules from race to race to make it more entertaining to watch, it's no longer a sport but merely entertainment.
What do you enjoy more, show wrestling or pro boxing? After all, in show wrestling they make sure the fights are dramatic and long enough, right?
Are the new rules beneficial for F1? Well, that's arguable, but the FIA did nothing wrong at Indy.
A no points race would have been an even bigger farce, because none of the competitive teams would have messed up their engine and risked their car/driver without anything to gain. After lap 10, there would only be Minardi and Jordan left doing parade laps for sponsor exposure.
Yes, the fans are important, but the fans are there to watch a SPORT event, and if you change the rules from race to race to make it more entertaining to watch, it's no longer a sport but merely entertainment.
What do you enjoy more, show wrestling or pro boxing? After all, in show wrestling they make sure the fights are dramatic and long enough, right?
Are the new rules beneficial for F1? Well, that's arguable, but the FIA did nothing wrong at Indy.
| Kwyjibo | 07-02-2005 07:35 AM |
Those teams reqesting a slower turn 13 would have definetly raced given the opportunity too, imagine how they'd look if they did install the chicane and none of the teams raced....
Montoya had tears in his eyes because he couldn't race for his fans and countrymen....as i'm sure did others.
These aren't "athletes" who bat a ball or throw a ball in to a hoop...Most, if not all, F1 drivers are in families who race. They are bred racers. They have it in their blood. It's instinctual.
As soon as they knew the tires were at fault they should have come up with a back-up plan. Not wait till raceday to try and sort things out. Pulling points is an extreme....compromises happen every day in life.
And it may be a sport, but without fans they have no money....the fans are what make it a sport.....otherwise it's just racing at the track.
These new V8 are supposed to be a bit tricky...new vibrations, less weight...I still say let them develpoe their own ECUs and electronics.
time will tell i guess.
Montoya had tears in his eyes because he couldn't race for his fans and countrymen....as i'm sure did others.
These aren't "athletes" who bat a ball or throw a ball in to a hoop...Most, if not all, F1 drivers are in families who race. They are bred racers. They have it in their blood. It's instinctual.
As soon as they knew the tires were at fault they should have come up with a back-up plan. Not wait till raceday to try and sort things out. Pulling points is an extreme....compromises happen every day in life.
And it may be a sport, but without fans they have no money....the fans are what make it a sport.....otherwise it's just racing at the track.
These new V8 are supposed to be a bit tricky...new vibrations, less weight...I still say let them develpoe their own ECUs and electronics.
time will tell i guess.
| bal00 | 07-02-2005 06:06 PM |
A chicane wasn't even possible to put in place for safety and liability reasons, and even if it had been possible, it still would have been hugely unfair. It was never an option, regardless of what the teams requested.
Yes, the fans is where the money comes from, but I as a fan would rather deal with one boring GP than watch a racing series that makes new rules whenever a race doesn't go as planned. THEN it wouldn't be a sport but just cars driving around in circles.
Yes, the fans is where the money comes from, but I as a fan would rather deal with one boring GP than watch a racing series that makes new rules whenever a race doesn't go as planned. THEN it wouldn't be a sport but just cars driving around in circles.
| finnRex | 07-02-2005 09:07 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Nah baby, thats bidnez! :lol:
Where you been Mika? You've been quite on the boards lately. 1 none win for your countryman and you get quite on us?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've been trying to cool off a bit from that BS that went down at Indy. At least Michelin is giving the $$$ back. I checked the website a few days ago hoping to find a "Refund link", but to no avail. My dad's friend had his parents come from the motherland to see that race. NOT COOL. Ok, enough U.S.G.P. hate.
The next few races will be crucial to how F1 does in the future. If FIA decides to piss off the Michelin teams, they can break off and do their own thing. I'd support that before I support F1 again. Ferrari would have FIA, and the Michelin teams would have their own racing. I say leave Ferrari with FIA. They deserve each other. Both think their junk don't stink(as mentioned by kp), and they're the bomb.com. F that. Fans support their livelihood. Period. Keep those jerks in the stands happy(me and my family plus the 160K people that showed up at Indy) and proceed with some common sense.
In a way I blame FIA, but most of the blame should fall squarely on the shoulders of Michelin. Did Bridgestone have an unfair advantage? When you have problems like this(few weeks ago the Indy folks were having problems with tire wear), you need to be proactive and not reactive. FIA didn't handle it as well as they should have. I honestly don't have a "solution" to the U.S.G.P. But that's why the higher ups in FIA are paid the big $$$. They take care of the big problems.
Mika
Where you been Mika? You've been quite on the boards lately. 1 none win for your countryman and you get quite on us?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've been trying to cool off a bit from that BS that went down at Indy. At least Michelin is giving the $$$ back. I checked the website a few days ago hoping to find a "Refund link", but to no avail. My dad's friend had his parents come from the motherland to see that race. NOT COOL. Ok, enough U.S.G.P. hate.
The next few races will be crucial to how F1 does in the future. If FIA decides to piss off the Michelin teams, they can break off and do their own thing. I'd support that before I support F1 again. Ferrari would have FIA, and the Michelin teams would have their own racing. I say leave Ferrari with FIA. They deserve each other. Both think their junk don't stink(as mentioned by kp), and they're the bomb.com. F that. Fans support their livelihood. Period. Keep those jerks in the stands happy(me and my family plus the 160K people that showed up at Indy) and proceed with some common sense.
In a way I blame FIA, but most of the blame should fall squarely on the shoulders of Michelin. Did Bridgestone have an unfair advantage? When you have problems like this(few weeks ago the Indy folks were having problems with tire wear), you need to be proactive and not reactive. FIA didn't handle it as well as they should have. I honestly don't have a "solution" to the U.S.G.P. But that's why the higher ups in FIA are paid the big $$$. They take care of the big problems.
Mika
| Jonnyfilmboy | 07-03-2005 12:46 AM |
I don't even know what happened at Indy. I'm boycotting this year and I haven't read anything about any of the races this year nor have I seen any on TV. I just got so sick of the FiA messing with the rules from race to race, I got so sick of the "penalties" and rediculous ideas from the FiA, got sick of the bad attitudes from teams and even drivers (not that I would blame some of them), but most of all, I got sick of how boring the races were. No passing, repeat podiums from race to race, fake qualifying, and great drivers getting shafted every race by their engines blowing up in the first lap or two at every race. Most, if not all, of these problems can be traced to the weirdos running FiA. They are too involved with money. It's all a rich boys club and they dole out to their friends and punish those who annoy them.
You know what's a better race then the whole season of F1? The soapbox derby that a lot of the constructors participate in at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Very minimal rules, pure engineering without restriction, and great driving with the assistance of gravity. All the people who are in it LOVE taking part. It's looked on as a break and a liberation from the regular season, and everyone admits that it is their favorite thing to take part in.
But that's just me.
You know what's a better race then the whole season of F1? The soapbox derby that a lot of the constructors participate in at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Very minimal rules, pure engineering without restriction, and great driving with the assistance of gravity. All the people who are in it LOVE taking part. It's looked on as a break and a liberation from the regular season, and everyone admits that it is their favorite thing to take part in.
But that's just me.
| johnfelstead | 07-04-2005 06:45 PM |
You wont like this then, they didnt run the SoapBox Challenge this year at Goodwood.
I was there with a McLaren M1B and March 717 Can Am car, the March was fastest Pre 1980 car up the hill, 3rd fastest overall time and 2nd fastest through the speed trap.
I was there with a McLaren M1B and March 717 Can Am car, the March was fastest Pre 1980 car up the hill, 3rd fastest overall time and 2nd fastest through the speed trap.
| artkevin | 07-06-2005 11:00 AM |
From I-TV's site:
The Grand Prix Drivers� Association has reacted to Max Mosley�s decision to cancel a planned meeting by releasing a letter they sent to the FIA president last weekend voicing their concerns over his attitude towards them.
At a meeting at Magny-Cours last Friday the drivers learned of a telephone call Mosley made to GPDA director David Coulthard censuring him for his outspoken views on the US Grand Prix debacle and for supposedly stirring up dissension among his fellow drivers.
Mosley�s intervention caused concern among many drivers, particularly as he allegedly threatened to withdraw his support for safety initiatives being pursued by the GPDA and barred drivers from appearing at the World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris.
The drivers held several impromptu meetings over the French Grand Prix weekend and eventually sent Mosley an open letter expressing their dissatisfaction on Sunday.
Mosley subsequently decided to call off a meeting with the GPDA scheduled to take place at Silverstone this Friday, on the grounds that Coulthard had �used the prospect of this meeting as a reason to air your personal views on current regulations to the press.�
The letter from the GPDA was signed by all the drivers on the F1 grid apart from Michael Schumacher and (perhaps surprisingly) the Red Bull trio.
It read: �It has been brought to the attention of our members that you, as president of the FIA, contacted a GPDA director on Tuesday June 28 to express your disappointment that 19 drivers had submitted a statement to the FIA World Motor Sport Council in support of a safety issue.
�We were also concerned to learn that during the course of this telephone conversation, you suggested the FIA might withdraw support for the ongoing safety initiatives of the GPDA.
�Previously the FIA had also dissuaded driver representation in Paris for the World Motor Sport Council meeting.
�The GPDA believes that safety issues are of the highest importance and are disappointed not to receive the full support of the FIA president in this matter.
�We welcome further discussion with you on this matter.�
Reacting to Mosley�s decision to cancel Friday�s meeting, DC claimed that his dislike of the 2005 regulations was well known and was a completely separate issue from his support for increased safety measures at private tests.
The Grand Prix Drivers� Association has reacted to Max Mosley�s decision to cancel a planned meeting by releasing a letter they sent to the FIA president last weekend voicing their concerns over his attitude towards them.
At a meeting at Magny-Cours last Friday the drivers learned of a telephone call Mosley made to GPDA director David Coulthard censuring him for his outspoken views on the US Grand Prix debacle and for supposedly stirring up dissension among his fellow drivers.
Mosley�s intervention caused concern among many drivers, particularly as he allegedly threatened to withdraw his support for safety initiatives being pursued by the GPDA and barred drivers from appearing at the World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris.
The drivers held several impromptu meetings over the French Grand Prix weekend and eventually sent Mosley an open letter expressing their dissatisfaction on Sunday.
Mosley subsequently decided to call off a meeting with the GPDA scheduled to take place at Silverstone this Friday, on the grounds that Coulthard had �used the prospect of this meeting as a reason to air your personal views on current regulations to the press.�
The letter from the GPDA was signed by all the drivers on the F1 grid apart from Michael Schumacher and (perhaps surprisingly) the Red Bull trio.
It read: �It has been brought to the attention of our members that you, as president of the FIA, contacted a GPDA director on Tuesday June 28 to express your disappointment that 19 drivers had submitted a statement to the FIA World Motor Sport Council in support of a safety issue.
�We were also concerned to learn that during the course of this telephone conversation, you suggested the FIA might withdraw support for the ongoing safety initiatives of the GPDA.
�Previously the FIA had also dissuaded driver representation in Paris for the World Motor Sport Council meeting.
�The GPDA believes that safety issues are of the highest importance and are disappointed not to receive the full support of the FIA president in this matter.
�We welcome further discussion with you on this matter.�
Reacting to Mosley�s decision to cancel Friday�s meeting, DC claimed that his dislike of the 2005 regulations was well known and was a completely separate issue from his support for increased safety measures at private tests.
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 11:36 AM |
This just keeps getting more and more messy, and it ain't over yet.
Oi.
Oi.
| artkevin | 07-06-2005 11:55 AM |
^^^
Not even close to being over. I can't wait to look back at this in a few years and really see what was going on. It is such a crap fest right now and I hope we don't lose F1 because of it.
Grow up and race. All of you. And brush your teeth before you go to bed!
Not even close to being over. I can't wait to look back at this in a few years and really see what was going on. It is such a crap fest right now and I hope we don't lose F1 because of it.
Grow up and race. All of you. And brush your teeth before you go to bed!
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 11:59 AM |
I can easily see this turning into CART vs. IRL all over again, except without the ovals. Ferrari and the Bridgestone runners taking over a mostly spec series called F1, Williams, McLaren, etc. forming the GPWC, and fans everywhere not knowing which way to turn.
| artkevin | 07-06-2005 12:20 PM |
I completely agree. Yeah for 2 waterdowned series with a lack of competetion!
| Don Arm | 07-06-2005 12:21 PM |
Hell Yes the FIA is ruining F1.
| Bonzo | 07-06-2005 12:24 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]I can easily see this turning into CART vs. IRL all over again, except without the ovals. Ferrari and the Bridgestone runners taking over a mostly spec series called F1, Williams, McLaren, etc. forming the GPWC, and fans everywhere not knowing which way to turn.[/QUOTE]
If this happens it would be major suckage.
fwiw ticket prices for the USGP are prolly the cheapest in the world for an [B]F1[/B] race. In fact it's cheaper for me to buy tickets for the USGP than it is for just about any major event at Road America.
edited: added for "F1" only.
If this happens it would be major suckage.
fwiw ticket prices for the USGP are prolly the cheapest in the world for an [B]F1[/B] race. In fact it's cheaper for me to buy tickets for the USGP than it is for just about any major event at Road America.
edited: added for "F1" only.
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 12:24 PM |
I've been watching a lot more sports car and Motorcycle racing than before. Almost time to find a new fav. series, methinks.
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 12:25 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]fwiw ticket prices for the USGP are prolly the cheapest in the world. In fact it's cheaper for me to buy tickets for the USGP than it is for just about any major event at Road America.[/QUOTE]
A lot cheaper than Montreal anyway, which is a shame, because Montreal is about 4 hours away vs. 12+ to Indy, and I was even free Montreal weekend this year. Couldn't see coughing up the dough, though.
A lot cheaper than Montreal anyway, which is a shame, because Montreal is about 4 hours away vs. 12+ to Indy, and I was even free Montreal weekend this year. Couldn't see coughing up the dough, though.
| Bonzo | 07-06-2005 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]I've been watching a lot more sports car and Motorcycle racing than before. Almost time to find a new fav. series, methinks.[/QUOTE]
werd.
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1
werd.
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]werd.
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1[/QUOTE]
Thankfully my DVR has a season pass, and great seats :)
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1[/QUOTE]
Thankfully my DVR has a season pass, and great seats :)
| artkevin | 07-06-2005 12:59 PM |
Moto GP this year has been off the hook. It is great to see such hard fought races every single time. 4 or 5 guys going for the win in the closing laps but Valentino always seems to come out on top. Rossi is on another planet right now.
Come to think of it, F1 might be the most competetive series right now. Loeb is crazy in WRC, Rossi can't be stopped. At least Kimi and Fernando are keeping each other honest.
Come to think of it, F1 might be the most competetive series right now. Loeb is crazy in WRC, Rossi can't be stopped. At least Kimi and Fernando are keeping each other honest.
| TimStevens | 07-06-2005 01:49 PM |
Oi... apparently most of the teams are grooming their pick for a Max Mosley replacement, and threatening that if Mosley gets re-elected they'll drop out of F1.
| WRX11 | 07-06-2005 01:53 PM |
I don't see how different it is compared to any other sports. It's all money at the end.
| artkevin | 07-06-2005 02:18 PM |
I so wanted David Coulthard to take Max's job but I think he would rather drive. He also said he has no idea how to do Max's job. Can't blame him. I have also heard Jean Todt mentioned but I think Ferrari pays better.
I am personally not a fan of Max Mosely. His job is huge and I do respect him but I don't like his iron fisted approach to problems. He is the son of a prominent Nazi and sometimes it just feels like too much has trickled down to him. It never seems to be the FIAs problem and/or fault, its always the teams and their petty ways but when they come togther, like the testing ban and cost saving measures from this off season, they get laughed at.
To be honest I don't know who I would like in that seat or if there is a better way to do it but I know I don't like what we have.
I honestly don't think it is all about the money in any sport. Yes, it is a HUGE factor but when it comes down to it, I think evryone involved at the team level only wants to win for winning sakes. Frank Williams has enough money to last he and all his childrens lives but he loves the sport. As much as a tycoon Ron Dennis is I do believe that he is in the sport to win, not for the money, all though that does help, but to be the best.
KP
I am personally not a fan of Max Mosely. His job is huge and I do respect him but I don't like his iron fisted approach to problems. He is the son of a prominent Nazi and sometimes it just feels like too much has trickled down to him. It never seems to be the FIAs problem and/or fault, its always the teams and their petty ways but when they come togther, like the testing ban and cost saving measures from this off season, they get laughed at.
To be honest I don't know who I would like in that seat or if there is a better way to do it but I know I don't like what we have.
I honestly don't think it is all about the money in any sport. Yes, it is a HUGE factor but when it comes down to it, I think evryone involved at the team level only wants to win for winning sakes. Frank Williams has enough money to last he and all his childrens lives but he loves the sport. As much as a tycoon Ron Dennis is I do believe that he is in the sport to win, not for the money, all though that does help, but to be the best.
KP
| Kwyjibo | 07-06-2005 10:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]werd.
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1[/QUOTE]
damn shame....i had to sell my three tickets on ebay :(
would much rather have made the race....
The MotoGP race this weekend at Laguna Seca is SOLD OUT! NOt one ticket left. :banana:
MotoGP > F1[/QUOTE]
damn shame....i had to sell my three tickets on ebay :(
would much rather have made the race....
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