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Ferrari FXX part 1

P-TownWRX 11-29-2006 01:57 AM

Ferrari FXX
Just found this on ebay...

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-FXX-2006-Ferrari-Enzo-FXX-NEW-NEVER-DRIVEN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6212QQihZ002QQitemZ120056664968QQrdZ1[/url]

Most expensive car ever? Not many new cars sell for more than this. As of now its at 2.7 million for the FXX. Thats not to bad for what is essentially an F1 car.:banana:
psg 11-29-2006 02:20 AM

On top of that, you don't really own the car. It's more like you purchased a seat with the Ferrari testing program, and you can't legally take the car on the road (and I believe Ferrari itself will fine you for breaking that part of the contract). You do get your own Ferrari service crew that will prep the car and assist you at select (presumably European) race tracks for track days, though.
P-TownWRX 11-29-2006 02:51 AM

Yeah to buy the car you have to do 2 years of R and D on the car i have heard. I am trying to find specifics on that though.
bitterWRX 11-29-2006 04:19 AM

[QUOTE=psg;16146865]On top of that, you don't really own the car. It's more like you purchased a seat with the Ferrari testing program, and you can't legally take the car on the road (and I believe Ferrari itself will fine you for breaking that part of the contract). You do get your own Ferrari service crew that will prep the car and assist you at select (presumably European) race tracks for track days, though.[/QUOTE]

I met a person who owns an FXX and according to his purchase agreement, it's actually any race track in the world, provided you can use the track of course. But yeah, the car sits at the Ferrari HQ until you summon it.
Chiketkd 11-29-2006 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=bitterWRX;16147255]But yeah, the car sits at the Ferrari HQ until you summon it.[/QUOTE]
I summon thee Ferrari FXX... :p :banana: :banana: :banana:

Wish I had 3 million in disposable income right about now... :(
Mykl 11-29-2006 10:44 AM

wtf, that much money and they don't even let you park it in your own garage?
k20a2stitch 11-29-2006 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=Mykl;16149179]wtf, that much money and they don't even let you park it in your own garage?[/QUOTE]
flatbed?
leecea 11-29-2006 11:55 AM

Surely this is more about status. For a fraction of that amount, you could get a Radical SR-8, tow vehicle, trailer, spares, and a crew. I'm guessing the Radical is faster too.
aschen 11-29-2006 11:59 AM

Wow that is impressive arrogance by ferrari.......Lets rent rich people a track day car for 3 million. We will tell them they are part of our R&D team!!!!
Phil Jr. 11-29-2006 01:10 PM

this isnt anything new by ferrari guys. Remember the F50 could never be "owned" by anyone. Ferrari only leased it to people so they could take the car back at any time. I kind of like it because you need more than just money to own an FXX. They want to see the car on the track, not just rot in some fat rich person's garage.
psg 11-29-2006 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=aschen;16150193]Wow that is impressive arrogance by ferrari.......Lets rent rich people a track day car for 3 million. We will tell them they are part of our R&D team!!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=leecea;16150150]Surely this is more about status. For a fraction of that amount, you could get a Radical SR-8, tow vehicle, trailer, spares, and a crew. I'm guessing the Radical is faster too.[/QUOTE]

What I've always been told (regarding the Ferrari mentality) is that people don't purchase a Ferrari simply for the car--it's more like they feel that they're funding the racing operations of Ferrari, and in return, Ferrari gifts them with a car. The FXX program is just a much further extension of that attitude.

That said, if I had $3 mil, I'd be funding my own racing operations and not Ferrari's.
Tensen 11-29-2006 01:51 PM

man, i wanna be a fat rich guy....instead of just half that :)
davis10 11-29-2006 03:51 PM

If I ever bought a ferrari there is no way I would be letting it rot in my garage, i would get out a drive the thing. My oncle has one and he takes pride in the fact that he put about 80000 miles on his last one before the engine caught fire when he was driving it. Now he tracks and drives his F430 regularly

+1 for making your own racing operation that would be sick, (if I won the lottery Id buy a racetrack)
Boxologist 11-29-2006 04:14 PM

[QUOTE=psg;16151780]...That said, if I had $3 mil, I'd be funding my own racing operations and not Ferrari's.[/QUOTE]

damn straight. i'd have a CSR for tarmac, CSR for commuting, an STi Limited for commuting in foul weather and an STi for foul weather/poor traction competition. all modded and outiftted for less than 350k.

ferrari:lol:
John__Gotti 11-29-2006 04:36 PM

[QUOTE=leecea;16150150]For a fraction of that amount, you could get a Radical SR-8QUOTE]

Totally forgot about this car. Remember reading about the v8 they were building but that was like 2 years ago. You could also buy a fleet of these for the cost of an FXX and start your own racing series.
leecea 11-29-2006 04:42 PM

There a video online of it setting the new production car record for the Ring. Amazing stuff, but pushing the 'production car' definition a bit I think!
silver arrow 11-29-2006 05:22 PM

[QUOTE=davis10;16153808]
+1 for making your own racing operation that would be sick, (if I won the lottery Id buy a racetrack)[/QUOTE]


Good plan if you want to be broke in 5 years. ;)
MattDell 11-30-2006 12:36 AM

According to Autoblog, at least, it's in the contract with Ferrari that you cannot sell the FXX to anyone. So a lot of people are wondering how in the hell this car can be sold.


-Matt
nate49509 11-30-2006 12:39 AM

God that thing is so ugly.
Mykl 11-30-2006 09:00 AM

[QUOTE=silver arrow;16155274]Good plan if you want to be broke in 5 years. ;)[/QUOTE]

I don't know... I could stretch a few million out to provide racing fun for a lifetime if I wanted to. It's not like Spec-Miata or other low level classes are all *that* expensive.
silver arrow 11-30-2006 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=Mykl;16162280]I don't know... I could stretch a few million out to provide racing fun for a lifetime if I wanted to. It's not like Spec-Miata or other low level classes are all *that* expensive.[/QUOTE]

He said he would buy a racetrack. Unless you are a big time developer or promoter that would be a huge uphill battle. Trackdays aren't paying the rent at Daytona. :lol:
imprezaL2345 11-30-2006 02:45 PM

i want to know who has that much ****ing money to spend on a car
TimStevens 11-30-2006 03:28 PM

[quote=auction]The FXX's aerodynamic design is particularly innovative too as it has resulted in a shape that produces 40% higher downforce than ever achieved before.[/quote]

ZOMG, 40% more downforce than has ever been achieved in the history of the world! That's a lot of downforce!!!
MattDell 11-30-2006 06:07 PM

[QUOTE=imprezaL2345;16166862]i want to know who has that much ****ing money to spend on a car[/QUOTE]
Old dudes.
eastcoastbumps 12-01-2006 11:07 PM

Best quote from an FXX owner: "This is a completely different car from my Enzo."

Must be nice.
menash23 12-02-2006 01:09 AM

[QUOTE=leecea;16150150] I'm guessing the Radical is faster too.[/QUOTE]

r u nuts? :confused:
turbo'98L 12-02-2006 01:19 AM

this is a race car not a street car, so parking it in your garage would be useless, the Bugatti Veyron on the other hand is a street legal car that is faster that the fxx (priced at 1.36 million) o to 60 in 2.9 seconds and 0 to 100 in six flat, it does 0 to 200 faster that the mclaren f1 does 120 to 200..... intense..... it is powered by a W16 quar turbo 1001 horse motor. its amazing, see for your self


[url]http://fast-autos.net/vehicles/Bugatti/2006/16.4_Veyron/[/url]

and heres the fxx

[url]http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/2006/FXX/[/url]
bitterWRX 12-02-2006 02:33 AM

The Veyron might be the fastest street car in the world, but I have yet to see the car on an actual track, which leads me to think that aside from accelerating like a bat out of hell, it's not going to be that agile.
menash23 12-02-2006 03:34 AM

evo mag said it defies logic on corners. So I guess it has some surprises stored in it.
But ill take the FXX any time over any car in the world.
Sanchez 12-02-2006 03:45 AM

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4543841524383924155&q=lotus[/url]
Bugatti Veyron and Elise on the track

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SW8CmgcfmE[/url]
996 GT3 vs.... ?
leecea 12-02-2006 04:22 PM

[QUOTE=menash23;16178301]r u nuts? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Given that the FFX is a track only car, the only measures that matter are lap times. I have no real idea of how they'd do against each other, but the SR-8 beat some pretty impressive pure race machinery around the 'Ring. The power to weight ratio must be pretty close and the SR-8 is very light and can generate more down force than its body weight.

Doesn't really matter I guess. They serve different buying communities.
turbo'98L 12-02-2006 05:59 PM

the bugatti has all wheel drive and a **** load of other stuff( it handles great) and did i mention it has 10 radiators
Turn in Concepts 12-04-2006 09:05 AM

[QUOTE=Sanchez;16178994][url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4543841524383924155&q=lotus[/url]
Bugatti Veyron and Elise on the track

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SW8CmgcfmE[/url]
996 GT3 vs.... ?[/QUOTE]
HAHA!!! The Elise is not a slow car, but it gets left by the Veyron without a thought. Wonder what happened in the end? That guy in the Veyron also looked like he didn't really know much about track driving.
Daishi00 12-04-2006 09:08 AM

^^^yeah I don't even know how to really "drive" and I could tell that the dude in the Veyron was all over the place...

Maybe he had to pee really bad like the guy on TopGear in the Veyron vs. Airplane episode
Homemade WRX 12-04-2006 11:22 AM

[QUOTE=menash23;16178301]r u nuts? :confused:[/QUOTE]

the radical could definately be faster...and I bet is faster around the ring still...did you ever see the SR8 video?...

the new thing with the sr8 is the two busa motors put on one crank to make a 2.6L V8 that can rev to good god

to top that a busa motor has been known to do 300 whp boosted fairly easily...the record I want to say is like 550whp boost only...if you could keep the same power (would be quite possible) operating them as two seperate 4 cylinders...that you could make 600 whp in a radical

can you say, I need more tire :D
Jack 12-04-2006 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=eastcoastbumps;16177458]Best quote from an FXX owner: "This is a completely different car from my Enzo."

Must be nice.[/QUOTE]

I think I still have the magazine with that article in it.

An LS1 RX7 would be a far more practical car to race.

:D

jack
dak125 12-04-2006 07:00 PM

The seller is no longer a registered user on ebay, interesting. It kind of makes me wonder if this particular FXX even existed.

Sweet car regardless.
P-TownWRX 12-06-2006 07:07 AM

I wish i could find it now, but I saw a video of an FXX going around a track passing GT3 porsches and even a Carrera GT as if they were at a standstill and that was with a driver that was sliding all over the track. Just because a radical SR8 has 600WHP and weighs nothing doesnt mean it is faster.
You also must remember that the FXX is a NATURALLY ASPIRATED car, which is amazing and has a 3.4lb/1HP ratio which gives it 0-60 of 2.8(faster than a veyron)
Maybe somebody can find some lap time comparisons?
dak125 12-06-2006 04:01 PM

[QUOTE=P-TownWRX;16224019]I wish i could find it now, but I saw a video of an FXX going around a track passing GT3 porsches and even a Carrera GT as if they were at a standstill and that was with a driver that was sliding all over the track. Just because a radical SR8 has 600WHP and weighs nothing doesnt mean it is faster.
You also must remember that the FXX is a NATURALLY ASPIRATED car, which is amazing and has a 3.4lb/1HP ratio which gives it 0-60 of 2.8(faster than a veyron)
Maybe somebody can find some lap time comparisons?[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=zXF8tXTkpsg"]This[/URL] appears to be the video you're talking about. Sweetness for sure!

Ha, watch for the driver handing the passenger his cell phone while going at least 110 :).
eastcoastbumps 12-06-2006 08:17 PM

[QUOTE=Jack ffr1846;16201510]I think I still have the magazine with that article in it.

An LS1 RX7 would be a far more practical car to race.

:D

jack[/QUOTE]

I think its amazing the number of people that have chimmed into this thread saying such and such a car is faster, cheaper, etc. Think it matters to an FXX owner? They probably own one of those too!

The LS1 RX7 [i]is[/i] practical. You know Paddy and I drove to Tremblant in it and got there on one tank of gas with the trailer full of tools and track tires? :p
grippgoat 12-07-2006 02:25 PM

[QUOTE=Turn in Concepts;16196228]HAHA!!! The Elise is not a slow car, but it gets left by the Veyron without a thought. Wonder what happened in the end? That guy in the Veyron also looked like he didn't really know much about track driving.[/QUOTE]

Elises are slow (acceleration). Sure they do OK up to 60mph, maybe 90mph, but they still only have 200hp and that just doesn't cut it at higher speeds. At a Lotus trackday at PIR, my Stage 2 STI on stock tires and STI pinks was clearly faster on corner exit. There were only a couple that were being well-driven, and while it took a while to pass them, and they were faster on corner entry and mid corner, there was absolutely no comparison once I got pointed at the Apex and onto the throttle. Portland is mostly 3rd gear corners.

-Mike
HoRo1 12-07-2006 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=turbo'98L;16178369]this is a race car not a street car, so parking it in your garage would be useless, the Bugatti Veyron on the other hand is a street legal car that is faster that the fxx (priced at 1.36 million) o to 60 in 2.9 seconds and 0 to 100 in six flat, it does 0 to 200 faster that the mclaren f1 does 120 to 200..... intense..... it is powered by a W16 quar turbo 1001 horse motor. its amazing, see for your self


[url]http://fast-autos.net/vehicles/Bugatti/2006/16.4_Veyron/[/url]

and heres the fxx

[url]http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/2006/FXX/[/url][/QUOTE]



[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/horo1/ncar09-1.jpg[/IMG]

I'll see your VW, sorry, Bugatti, and raise you a Bristol Fighter T
All aluminium 8 litre V10 (Chrysler sourced). 9.3:1 compression ratio. Two ball bearing water cooled turbochargers with intercooling, uprated engine internals. High flow cylinder heads with high lift camshaft. High capacity cooling system and catalysts. Free flow exhaust with side of car exits. Output 127 bhp per litre. 1012 bhp at 5600 rpm. 1036 lb.ft of torque at 4500 rpm.

The Fighter T delivers more than 900 lb.ft at the same rpm, and continues to do so all the way up to the rev limit of 6000 rpm.
Front engine, rear drive.
Weight is something around 3500lbs (48% front, 52% rear)
Drag factor reduced to 0.27 by a new rear wake diffuser.
A potential maximum speed of more than 270 mph has been electronically limited to a more than sufficient 225 mph at 4500 rpm.
Orders being taken now for September 07 delivery. UK price just under �400,000.

As to the FXX, isn't there a guy in New York who had Pininfarina custom build a Ferrari for him earlier this year to the tune of $4M? I wonder how much quicker an FXX is at the track than a track ready Ariel Atom.
cooleyjb 12-07-2006 05:13 PM

[QUOTE=HoRo1;16245013][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/horo1/ncar09-1.jpg[/IMG]

I'll see your VW, sorry, Bugatti, and raise you a Bristol Fighter T
All aluminium 8 litre V10 (Chrysler sourced). 9.3:1 compression ratio. Two ball bearing water cooled turbochargers with intercooling, uprated engine internals. High flow cylinder heads with high lift camshaft. High capacity cooling system and catalysts. Free flow exhaust with side of car exits. Output 127 bhp per litre. 1012 bhp at 5600 rpm. 1036 lb.ft of torque at 4500 rpm.

The Fighter T delivers more than 900 lb.ft at the same rpm, and continues to do so all the way up to the rev limit of 6000 rpm.
Front engine, rear drive.
Weight is something around 3500lbs (48% front, 52% rear)
Drag factor reduced to 0.27 by a new rear wake diffuser.
A potential maximum speed of more than 270 mph has been electronically limited to a more than sufficient 225 mph at 4500 rpm.
Orders being taken now for September 07 delivery. UK price just under �400,000.

As to the FXX, isn't there a guy in New York who had Pininfarina custom build a Ferrari for him earlier this year to the tune of $4M? I wonder how much quicker an FXX is at the track than a track ready Ariel Atom.[/QUOTE]


That thing looks like a modern day Alfa Romeo TZ1

[IMG]http://artecar24.550m.com/ml/TZ1_RR_R.jpg[/IMG]
HoRo1 12-07-2006 05:25 PM

[QUOTE=cooleyjb;16245906]That thing looks like a modern day Alfa Romeo TZ1

[IMG]http://artecar24.550m.com/ml/TZ1_RR_R.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

That's a model - and it's why I haven't used that picture to draw the same comparison. The TZ is such a beautiful car though and the Bristol is just a little too tall to carry through the same effect.

Incidentally, here's a neat piece of TZ history - when new the TZ cost more than a Ferrari GTO! TZs are very expensive today, but GTOs go for 15-30 times their price.
cooleyjb 12-07-2006 05:33 PM

[QUOTE=HoRo1;16246079]That's a model - and it's why I haven't used that picture to draw the same comparison. The TZ is such a beautiful car though and the Bristol is just a little too tall to carry through the same effect.

Incidentally, here's a neat piece of TZ history - when new the TZ cost more than a Ferrari GTO! TZs are very expensive today, but GTOs go for 15-30 times their price.[/QUOTE]

My uncle has 2 TZ's in his garage right now. No GTO's though just a Daytona and 400i from the Ferrari world along with a few well known Alfas. I'll see if I can dredge up a picture of the cars from my archives.

not one of his but also not a model

[IMG]http://autoclassic.free.fr/photoautre/alfaromeo/tz1/1964_alfa_romeo_tz1_02_m.jpg[/IMG]
bitterWRX 12-07-2006 10:22 PM

[QUOTE=turbo'98L;16182878]the bugatti has all wheel drive and a **** load of other stuff( it handles great) and did i mention it has 10 radiators[/QUOTE]

Having ten radiators doesn't neccessarily make the car faster... it just keeps your car from overheating. One (or two) radiators are used for the wing hydralics. So ridiculous.

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