| HiFiWRX | 03-06-2003 12:44 PM |
Found something interesting about the WRX Wagon/Sedan seats some are different!!
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Ok check this out... I got a leather seat kit for my 2003 Sedan and noticed something funny....
below are two pics BOTH of WRXs... the first is a 2003 SEDAN, the second is a 2002 WAGON... Look closely at the seats they are different. (both have leather kits from the same company "KATZKIN" but you can clearly see a difference in the shape of the bottom cushion of the seat and the lower side bolsters!!
I want to know if all WAGONS in 2002 came with the same type seats (which are actually "impreza seats rather than WRX seats like the sedan has!) or just some of them...
I also want to know if all the WRX sedans and wagons from 2003 have the same seats (the WRX version)
SO Post the year of your car (2002 or 2003), your car type (WRX Wagon or WRX Sedan) and which seat type you have (#1 or #2 please disregard the leather as it makes no difference, I am looking for what SHAPE the actual seat is...)
Example! Look at the lower bolsters here on the SEDAN: PIC #1
[IMG]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Sedan.jpg[/IMG]
and look here at this WAGON!!! Different seat bottoms and bolsters!!! Never noticed till now!! PIC #2
[IMG]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Wagon.jpg[/IMG]
Ok again The pics above show a 2003 WRX Sedan (first pic) and a 2002 WRX wagon (second pic).. Now the deal is this... The second pic has seats that actually come standard in all 2002-2003 "Imprezas" NOT WRXs... So evidentaly Subaru must have put the Impreza seats into at least some of the WRX wagons in 2002.... So here is a break down...
2002 WRX wagons (at least some, maybe all) had "Impreza" seats.. (like in the second pic above)
and
2002 WRX sedans had "WRX" seats...
AS of NOW
2003 WRX wagons have "WRX" seats..
and
2003 WRX sedans had "WRX" seats...
2002-2003 Impreza sedans and wagons all have "Impreza" seats... (like in the second pic above)
below are two pics BOTH of WRXs... the first is a 2003 SEDAN, the second is a 2002 WAGON... Look closely at the seats they are different. (both have leather kits from the same company "KATZKIN" but you can clearly see a difference in the shape of the bottom cushion of the seat and the lower side bolsters!!
I want to know if all WAGONS in 2002 came with the same type seats (which are actually "impreza seats rather than WRX seats like the sedan has!) or just some of them...
I also want to know if all the WRX sedans and wagons from 2003 have the same seats (the WRX version)
SO Post the year of your car (2002 or 2003), your car type (WRX Wagon or WRX Sedan) and which seat type you have (#1 or #2 please disregard the leather as it makes no difference, I am looking for what SHAPE the actual seat is...)
Example! Look at the lower bolsters here on the SEDAN: PIC #1
[IMG]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Sedan.jpg[/IMG]
and look here at this WAGON!!! Different seat bottoms and bolsters!!! Never noticed till now!! PIC #2
[IMG]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Wagon.jpg[/IMG]
Ok again The pics above show a 2003 WRX Sedan (first pic) and a 2002 WRX wagon (second pic).. Now the deal is this... The second pic has seats that actually come standard in all 2002-2003 "Imprezas" NOT WRXs... So evidentaly Subaru must have put the Impreza seats into at least some of the WRX wagons in 2002.... So here is a break down...
2002 WRX wagons (at least some, maybe all) had "Impreza" seats.. (like in the second pic above)
and
2002 WRX sedans had "WRX" seats...
AS of NOW
2003 WRX wagons have "WRX" seats..
and
2003 WRX sedans had "WRX" seats...
2002-2003 Impreza sedans and wagons all have "Impreza" seats... (like in the second pic above)
| minh | 03-06-2003 12:56 PM |
hard for me to tell with the leather kits on... but I think I see in the top pic the seat cushion extends further from the side bolsters, and the side bolsters look more supportive.
| HiFiWRX | 03-06-2003 01:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by minh [/i]
[B]hard for me to tell with the leather kits on... but I think I see in the top pic the seat cushion extends further from the side bolsters, and the side bolsters look more supportive. [/B][/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. The bottom cushion on the WRX seat extends past the bolsters and the bolsters are higher and give more support. The Cushion on the other type of seat (seen in the 2002 wagon) has the bolster the same length as the cushion and not as tall or supportive! Which do you have?
I will find a 2002 wagon and take some pics with stock interior as my 2003 sedan still has stock interior as well... (for a week)
This may clarify it for everyone.
[B]hard for me to tell with the leather kits on... but I think I see in the top pic the seat cushion extends further from the side bolsters, and the side bolsters look more supportive. [/B][/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. The bottom cushion on the WRX seat extends past the bolsters and the bolsters are higher and give more support. The Cushion on the other type of seat (seen in the 2002 wagon) has the bolster the same length as the cushion and not as tall or supportive! Which do you have?
I will find a 2002 wagon and take some pics with stock interior as my 2003 sedan still has stock interior as well... (for a week)
This may clarify it for everyone.
| robmarch | 03-06-2003 01:17 PM |
I'm sure there are stock seat pictures floating around of 2002 wagons.
| IwantONE | 03-06-2003 01:45 PM |
without going out to look at my car im pretty certain that i have the same seats as the sedan (type #1) but i have a 2002 wrx wagon.
Alex
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| Danny | 03-06-2003 01:49 PM |
2002 Wag
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I have 2002 wagon with wrx seats for sure. Not the seats in your wagon picture.
Dan
Dan
| robmarch | 03-06-2003 03:04 PM |
maybe the guy sold his wrx seats and replaced them with RS seats, since he was going to upholster them with leather anyway.
| Holy-Frijole | 03-06-2003 09:27 PM |
Probably what happened is the wagon owner got a Leatherseats.com leather kit like I did. They ship Outback Sport interior kits to WRX wagon owners on the assumption that the interiors are the same. What you end up with is a bottom cushion cover that doesn't quite fit. If you were to push on the front corners of the wagon seats from that picture, you'd find that the underlying foam is in fact the same as the sedan picture, but the leather pattern wasn't designed to fit correctly. I spoke to them after I discovered this on my wagon last year, but they never would agree to provide me with the correct seat bottoms. Sucks for wagon owners.
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick
| MUGWUMP | 03-06-2003 09:37 PM |
Wow. How muh do people pay for those covers? They hardly fit.
| nomadtw | 03-06-2003 10:57 PM |
aside from the differences between wagon and sedan...
they changed the seats halfway through the 2002MY. they made the bolsters less protruding, and made the seats wider
fat american asses wouldn't fit
they changed the seats halfway through the 2002MY. they made the bolsters less protruding, and made the seats wider
fat american asses wouldn't fit
| Brady | 03-07-2003 12:18 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by robmarch [/i]
[B]maybe the guy sold his wrx seats and replaced them with RS seats, since he was going to upholster them with leather anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]
nope, RS's in 2002 at least, had the WRX seats with a different insert. the other seats are the standard seats in the TS and OBS. I don't ever remember driving a WRX Wagon without the WRX style seats. :confused:
[B]maybe the guy sold his wrx seats and replaced them with RS seats, since he was going to upholster them with leather anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]
nope, RS's in 2002 at least, had the WRX seats with a different insert. the other seats are the standard seats in the TS and OBS. I don't ever remember driving a WRX Wagon without the WRX style seats. :confused:
| Brady | 03-07-2003 12:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nomadtw [/i]
[B]aside from the differences between wagon and sedan...
they changed the seats halfway through the 2002MY. they made the bolsters less protruding, and made the seats wider
fat american asses wouldn't fit [/B][/QUOTE]
i don't think that's true. my buddy has a 2003 WRX and he definitely has the deeper seats with higher bolsters.
[B]aside from the differences between wagon and sedan...
they changed the seats halfway through the 2002MY. they made the bolsters less protruding, and made the seats wider
fat american asses wouldn't fit [/B][/QUOTE]
i don't think that's true. my buddy has a 2003 WRX and he definitely has the deeper seats with higher bolsters.
| HiFiWRX | 03-07-2003 03:15 AM |
WOW that sucks!!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Holy-Frijole [/i]
[B]Probably what happened is the wagon owner got a Leatherseats.com leather kit like I did. They ship Outback Sport interior kits to WRX wagon owners on the assumption that the interiors are the same. What you end up with is a bottom cushion cover that doesn't quite fit. If you were to push on the front corners of the wagon seats from that picture, you'd find that the underlying foam is in fact the same as the sedan picture, but the leather pattern wasn't designed to fit correctly. I spoke to them after I discovered this on my wagon last year, but they never would agree to provide me with the correct seat bottoms. Sucks for wagon owners.
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick [/B][/QUOTE]I was doing some research because I got my covers from [url]www.atd1.com[/url] on another GB over at WRXclub.net and there were a couple guys that got Katzkin covers (same as leatherseats.com) that didn't fit like your describing. The guy from [url]www.atd1.com[/url] is actually going to have new covers that fit overnighted to them... Great service for those guys!
Anyway thanks again for all the input on this, it seems to be a bit confusing... I have seen the "wagon style" seats in WRX wagons and I have seen the WRX stlye seats like I have in my Sedan as well so I don't quite know when they switched or why but there are two different kinds of seats floating around out there!
[B]Probably what happened is the wagon owner got a Leatherseats.com leather kit like I did. They ship Outback Sport interior kits to WRX wagon owners on the assumption that the interiors are the same. What you end up with is a bottom cushion cover that doesn't quite fit. If you were to push on the front corners of the wagon seats from that picture, you'd find that the underlying foam is in fact the same as the sedan picture, but the leather pattern wasn't designed to fit correctly. I spoke to them after I discovered this on my wagon last year, but they never would agree to provide me with the correct seat bottoms. Sucks for wagon owners.
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick [/B][/QUOTE]I was doing some research because I got my covers from [url]www.atd1.com[/url] on another GB over at WRXclub.net and there were a couple guys that got Katzkin covers (same as leatherseats.com) that didn't fit like your describing. The guy from [url]www.atd1.com[/url] is actually going to have new covers that fit overnighted to them... Great service for those guys!
Anyway thanks again for all the input on this, it seems to be a bit confusing... I have seen the "wagon style" seats in WRX wagons and I have seen the WRX stlye seats like I have in my Sedan as well so I don't quite know when they switched or why but there are two different kinds of seats floating around out there!
| HiFiWRX | 03-07-2003 03:19 AM |
No offense but
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MUGWUMP [/i]
[B]Wow. How muh do people pay for those covers? They hardly fit. [/B][/QUOTE]you must not know anything about leather... They fit GREAT! I have owned a bunch of cars with leather and these fit as good if not better than all the cars I had in the past... They included a Blazer, an Iroc Camaro, an Eclipse GSX and a few others.. The only one that had leather that fit better was my old 1971 Porsche 911s It had full custom leather that was PERFECT! Anyway They fit GREAT... ;)
[B]Wow. How muh do people pay for those covers? They hardly fit. [/B][/QUOTE]you must not know anything about leather... They fit GREAT! I have owned a bunch of cars with leather and these fit as good if not better than all the cars I had in the past... They included a Blazer, an Iroc Camaro, an Eclipse GSX and a few others.. The only one that had leather that fit better was my old 1971 Porsche 911s It had full custom leather that was PERFECT! Anyway They fit GREAT... ;)
| omahasubaru | 03-07-2003 09:44 AM |
I'm willing to guess the bottom 2002 Wagon pic is a TS Wagon and not a WRX.
All WRX sedan's/wagon's I've seen have the same seats... the TS/RS seats are different though.
All WRX sedan's/wagon's I've seen have the same seats... the TS/RS seats are different though.
| MUGWUMP | 03-07-2003 10:39 AM |
To each his own. I suppose if they're only a couple hundred bucks, then they could be worth it. As far as the fit goes, they look ultra-tacky to me. I will wait and pay the $1500 to have it done professionally.
| khail19 | 03-07-2003 10:59 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by omahasubaru [/i]
[B]I'm willing to guess the bottom 2002 Wagon pic is a TS Wagon and not a WRX.
All WRX sedan's/wagon's I've seen have the same seats... the TS/RS seats are different though. [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, TS and RS do not come in World Rally Blue, which both those cars are. You can see the edge of the door frame in the second picture.
Khail
[B]I'm willing to guess the bottom 2002 Wagon pic is a TS Wagon and not a WRX.
All WRX sedan's/wagon's I've seen have the same seats... the TS/RS seats are different though. [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, TS and RS do not come in World Rally Blue, which both those cars are. You can see the edge of the door frame in the second picture.
Khail
| SC WRX | 03-07-2003 12:03 PM |
Call me crazy, but I don't see any difference between the two except that one has inserts and the other has centers. It could be that the lighting is playing tricks on you. I don't think that Subaru would sell different seats with such subtle differences and still have the same seat cloth. It would be too confusing and it would be a waste of their $$$.
Rather, I believe any differences in the size of the side bolsters has to do with either installation or differences in the leather. Unlike the cloth covers, the leather covers do not stretch, and they go over the seat backs like a glove as opposed to the cloth seats which have two zippers, so the leather is almost guaranteed to constrict the side bolsters to some extent. Mine definitely do not hug as much as the they did when the cloth was on. Maybe one installer used silicone or baby powder to slide the leather over the foam and got less constriction on the bolsters than someone who tried to slide them over the grippy foam. Or maybe the difference is just a deviation in the manufacturing of the seats at Katzkin.
Besides, I looked through the ClubWRX thread and I've followed the leatherseats.com threads, and I've never heard either of the vendors mention any difference in seat shapes among the types or years of WRXs.
Rather, I believe any differences in the size of the side bolsters has to do with either installation or differences in the leather. Unlike the cloth covers, the leather covers do not stretch, and they go over the seat backs like a glove as opposed to the cloth seats which have two zippers, so the leather is almost guaranteed to constrict the side bolsters to some extent. Mine definitely do not hug as much as the they did when the cloth was on. Maybe one installer used silicone or baby powder to slide the leather over the foam and got less constriction on the bolsters than someone who tried to slide them over the grippy foam. Or maybe the difference is just a deviation in the manufacturing of the seats at Katzkin.
Besides, I looked through the ClubWRX thread and I've followed the leatherseats.com threads, and I've never heard either of the vendors mention any difference in seat shapes among the types or years of WRXs.
| Albert | 03-07-2003 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SC WRX [/i]
[B]Call me crazy, but I don't see any difference between the two except that one has inserts and the other has centers. It could be that the lighting is playing tricks on you. I don't think that Subaru would sell different seats with such subtle differences and still have the same seat cloth. It would be too confusing and it would be a waste of their $$$.[/B][/QUOTE]
In the first pic, look at the area immediatly in front of the height adjustment lever. Note where the seat cushion and the curve of the seat bolster meet - that is most obvious to me. In the bottom pic that "gap" look rather solid it does not seem there is a void under the cover.
[B]Call me crazy, but I don't see any difference between the two except that one has inserts and the other has centers. It could be that the lighting is playing tricks on you. I don't think that Subaru would sell different seats with such subtle differences and still have the same seat cloth. It would be too confusing and it would be a waste of their $$$.[/B][/QUOTE]
In the first pic, look at the area immediatly in front of the height adjustment lever. Note where the seat cushion and the curve of the seat bolster meet - that is most obvious to me. In the bottom pic that "gap" look rather solid it does not seem there is a void under the cover.
| HiFiWRX | 03-07-2003 02:55 PM |
These can be installed by you or professionally done...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MUGWUMP [/i]
[B]To each his own. I suppose if they're only a couple hundred bucks, then they could be worth it. As far as the fit goes, they look ultra-tacky to me. I will wait and pay the $1500 to have it done professionally. [/B][/QUOTE]The top pic was done for a customer by the same shop that all the North East Subaru dealershops use to do the cars for sale in their showroom. In fact there are two brands of leather that you get from a dealership in a brand new car with Subaru... Either Katzkin or another brand I don't recall Anyway the set in the top pic were done professionaly ;) again a little homework here would help.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MUGWUMP [/i]
[b]Call me crazy, but I don't see any difference between the two except that one has inserts and the other has centers. It could be that the lighting is playing tricks on you. I don't think that Subaru would sell different seats with such subtle differences and still have the same seat cloth. It would be too confusing and it would be a waste of their $$$.[/b][/quote];) your crazy :lol: This is the difference I was talking about and I completely agree it is very subtle and probably just a transition thing because now all WRXs have the WRX style seats in them... Take a look at the pics NOW I have uploaded some with marks showing where the differences are and they are more clear.
[B]To each his own. I suppose if they're only a couple hundred bucks, then they could be worth it. As far as the fit goes, they look ultra-tacky to me. I will wait and pay the $1500 to have it done professionally. [/B][/QUOTE]The top pic was done for a customer by the same shop that all the North East Subaru dealershops use to do the cars for sale in their showroom. In fact there are two brands of leather that you get from a dealership in a brand new car with Subaru... Either Katzkin or another brand I don't recall Anyway the set in the top pic were done professionaly ;) again a little homework here would help.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MUGWUMP [/i]
[b]Call me crazy, but I don't see any difference between the two except that one has inserts and the other has centers. It could be that the lighting is playing tricks on you. I don't think that Subaru would sell different seats with such subtle differences and still have the same seat cloth. It would be too confusing and it would be a waste of their $$$.[/b][/quote];) your crazy :lol: This is the difference I was talking about and I completely agree it is very subtle and probably just a transition thing because now all WRXs have the WRX style seats in them... Take a look at the pics NOW I have uploaded some with marks showing where the differences are and they are more clear.
| NuMexRex47 | 03-07-2003 03:07 PM |
Holy Frijole, he's right
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I think Bryan hit the nail on the head. On my wagon, the bolsters don't go all the way to the front edge of the seat bottom, but the bolsters on the leather kit do. This makes the seats look like pic#2 instead of pic#1, but there's no foam in the tip of the bolsters. I think the angle of the photo makes #2 look flatter, but it's really not.
Matt
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| SC WRX | 03-07-2003 04:05 PM |
Re: Holy Frijole, he's right
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NuMexRex47 [/i]
[B]I think Bryan hit the nail on the head. On my wagon, the bolsters don't go all the way to the front edge of the seat bottom, but the bolsters on the leather kit do. This makes the seats look like pic#2 instead of pic#1, but there's no foam in the tip of the bolsters. I think the angle of the photo makes #2 look flatter, but it's really not.
Matt [/B][/QUOTE]
Now that HiFiWRX marked the differences, and NuMexRex47 explained them, I see what you both are saying. The brightness on my monitor isn't great, so the bolsters on the top sedan appear to blend into the seat, and I can't see the differences. However, I have a wagon and I noticed that the front edge of my side bolsters feel slightly "empty". I thought it was just installer (me) error. Here's a pic of mine:
[IMG]http://www.leatherseats.com/Images/WRX3.jpg[/IMG]
Nothing I can't live with, but it would have been nice to have the fronts of the bolsters filled out better.
[B]I think Bryan hit the nail on the head. On my wagon, the bolsters don't go all the way to the front edge of the seat bottom, but the bolsters on the leather kit do. This makes the seats look like pic#2 instead of pic#1, but there's no foam in the tip of the bolsters. I think the angle of the photo makes #2 look flatter, but it's really not.
Matt [/B][/QUOTE]
Now that HiFiWRX marked the differences, and NuMexRex47 explained them, I see what you both are saying. The brightness on my monitor isn't great, so the bolsters on the top sedan appear to blend into the seat, and I can't see the differences. However, I have a wagon and I noticed that the front edge of my side bolsters feel slightly "empty". I thought it was just installer (me) error. Here's a pic of mine:
[IMG]http://www.leatherseats.com/Images/WRX3.jpg[/IMG]
Nothing I can't live with, but it would have been nice to have the fronts of the bolsters filled out better.
| HiFiWRX | 03-07-2003 10:10 PM |
Re: Re: Holy Frijole, he's right
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SC WRX [/i]
[B]
Now that HiFiWRX marked the differences, and NuMexRex47 explained them, I see what you both are saying. The brightness on my monitor isn't great, so the bolsters on the top sedan appear to blend into the seat, and I can't see the differences. However, I have a wagon and I noticed that the front edge of my side bolsters feel slightly "empty". I thought it was just installer (me) error. Here's a pic of mine:
[IMG]http://www.leatherseats.com/Images/WRX3.jpg[/IMG]
Nothing I can't live with, but it would have been nice to have the fronts of the bolsters filled out better. [/B][/QUOTE]Ok SC (and anyone else that has this problem I found out what it is! If your kit is like the one SC posted or like the one I posted in the 2nd pic you got the WRONG bottoms from Katzkin!! I talked to them today and showed them the pics and they said that the 2nd pic is a cover for an IMPREZA NOT a WRX and that there must have been some mixup! So there you have it if you have this situation you have the wrong cover! Contact the person you got it from and they can have Katzkin take care of you!! Hope this is of some help!
[B]
Now that HiFiWRX marked the differences, and NuMexRex47 explained them, I see what you both are saying. The brightness on my monitor isn't great, so the bolsters on the top sedan appear to blend into the seat, and I can't see the differences. However, I have a wagon and I noticed that the front edge of my side bolsters feel slightly "empty". I thought it was just installer (me) error. Here's a pic of mine:
[IMG]http://www.leatherseats.com/Images/WRX3.jpg[/IMG]
Nothing I can't live with, but it would have been nice to have the fronts of the bolsters filled out better. [/B][/QUOTE]Ok SC (and anyone else that has this problem I found out what it is! If your kit is like the one SC posted or like the one I posted in the 2nd pic you got the WRONG bottoms from Katzkin!! I talked to them today and showed them the pics and they said that the 2nd pic is a cover for an IMPREZA NOT a WRX and that there must have been some mixup! So there you have it if you have this situation you have the wrong cover! Contact the person you got it from and they can have Katzkin take care of you!! Hope this is of some help!
| Brady | 03-08-2003 02:04 AM |
yeah, now looking at the two original pics, that's really weird.
like i said before, i never noticed/drove a wagon (at least in 2002 models) that had the TS/OBS seats, and my 2002 RS has the sport seats, so I wonder why they'd be different for the wagons. maybe i'll stop by the dealership one of these days and see if the new wagons have the non-sport buckets. very interesting indeed.
like i said before, i never noticed/drove a wagon (at least in 2002 models) that had the TS/OBS seats, and my 2002 RS has the sport seats, so I wonder why they'd be different for the wagons. maybe i'll stop by the dealership one of these days and see if the new wagons have the non-sport buckets. very interesting indeed.
| SC WRX | 03-08-2003 04:31 AM |
Well, now that I saw the pictures on my laptop monitor, there's a big freakin' difference between the two! :mad: Great catch, HiFiWRX!
Does anyone know if there a difference with the seat backs between WRXs and Imprezas?
Does anyone know if there a difference with the seat backs between WRXs and Imprezas?
| Siper2 | 03-08-2003 09:52 AM |
The other N.E. leather shop
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]The top pic was done for a customer by the same shop that all the North East Subaru dealershops use to do the cars for sale in their showroom. In fact there are two brands of leather that you get from a dealership in a brand new car with Subaru... Either Katzkin or another brand I don't recall [/B][/QUOTE]
That would be Classic Soft Trim. :)
The shop is in Massachusetts, or at least the branch where I had mine done is down there. Not sure if there's more than one shop in New England, though. I got a grey leather for my RS seats.
In retrospect I should've waited... The seats suck. I'd rather have leather on some nice new seats. I'm eyeing the 2004 WRX seats, we'll see how those price out when people start selling them for racing shells.
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[B]The top pic was done for a customer by the same shop that all the North East Subaru dealershops use to do the cars for sale in their showroom. In fact there are two brands of leather that you get from a dealership in a brand new car with Subaru... Either Katzkin or another brand I don't recall [/B][/QUOTE]
That would be Classic Soft Trim. :)
The shop is in Massachusetts, or at least the branch where I had mine done is down there. Not sure if there's more than one shop in New England, though. I got a grey leather for my RS seats.
In retrospect I should've waited... The seats suck. I'd rather have leather on some nice new seats. I'm eyeing the 2004 WRX seats, we'll see how those price out when people start selling them for racing shells.
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| HiFiWRX | 03-10-2003 04:34 PM |
HEy SC get a hold of the dealer that sold you the seats, you to Holy-Frijole...
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The Vendor who sold me my seats is being VERY good about this! and has gone out of his way to help his customers in the name of GREAT customer service! I would think that The vendors you worked with would too... Here is a quote from the vendor I delt with...[quote]ATTENTION WAGON OWNERS
Apparently all you guys who have wagons received the bottom cushion covers for an Impreza on your front seats, NOT for a WRX. DO NOT TRY to install this cover on the seat...ITS THE WRONG COVER. If you have the wrong cover and have not contacted me yet in some way, shape or form then please do so. I have made Katzkin fully aware of the problem and they will be correcting it on a case by case basis. Some of you I have already spoken with and you will be receiving new covers shortly. In the meantime I apologize for the confusion on this matter and will be making it my first order of business.
Regards,
James...ATD Online
[url]www.atd1.com[/url][/quote] It was a mistake at Katzkin NOT the specific vendor so if the vendor you went with refuses to help you get it resolved then that is just BAD service on the part of the vendor! Cause the factory (Katzkin) is willing to take care of it through the vendor!
Apparently all you guys who have wagons received the bottom cushion covers for an Impreza on your front seats, NOT for a WRX. DO NOT TRY to install this cover on the seat...ITS THE WRONG COVER. If you have the wrong cover and have not contacted me yet in some way, shape or form then please do so. I have made Katzkin fully aware of the problem and they will be correcting it on a case by case basis. Some of you I have already spoken with and you will be receiving new covers shortly. In the meantime I apologize for the confusion on this matter and will be making it my first order of business.
Regards,
James...ATD Online
[url]www.atd1.com[/url][/quote] It was a mistake at Katzkin NOT the specific vendor so if the vendor you went with refuses to help you get it resolved then that is just BAD service on the part of the vendor! Cause the factory (Katzkin) is willing to take care of it through the vendor!
| leatherseats.com | 03-10-2003 06:18 PM |
Dear Members,
I PM SCWRX with this earlier...
I finally was able to get the truth from Katzkin today. They have been selling the Impreza Outback Sport interiors as WRX Wagon interiors because they are almost the same. The emphasis on [B]almost[/B]. The only difference is the front seat cushions, which in the Outback sport have smaller bolsters and no legrest extension hump. I was not aware of this difference until today.
As HiFi has said, this is not a vendor issue... it is a manufacturer problem/oversight. I spoke with Andrew, and Katkzin is making the necessary changes to add the WRX Wagon as a completely new and separate pattern. Basically all they will be doing is taking the front cushion pattern from the WRX Sedan and adding it to the Outback Sport pattern, thus creating a new/correct pattern. All those who have the wrong covers can contact me directly for a replacement.
Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
[url]www.leatherseats.com[/url]
I PM SCWRX with this earlier...
I finally was able to get the truth from Katzkin today. They have been selling the Impreza Outback Sport interiors as WRX Wagon interiors because they are almost the same. The emphasis on [B]almost[/B]. The only difference is the front seat cushions, which in the Outback sport have smaller bolsters and no legrest extension hump. I was not aware of this difference until today.
As HiFi has said, this is not a vendor issue... it is a manufacturer problem/oversight. I spoke with Andrew, and Katkzin is making the necessary changes to add the WRX Wagon as a completely new and separate pattern. Basically all they will be doing is taking the front cushion pattern from the WRX Sedan and adding it to the Outback Sport pattern, thus creating a new/correct pattern. All those who have the wrong covers can contact me directly for a replacement.
Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
[url]www.leatherseats.com[/url]
| SC WRX | 03-11-2003 10:46 AM |
I spoke with Eric yesterday, and everything is as stated in his post. Suffice it to say, leatherseats.com provides EXCELLENT customer service.
| HiFiWRX | 03-11-2003 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Holy-Frijole [/i]
[B]Probably what happened is the wagon owner got a Leatherseats.com leather kit like I did. They ship Outback Sport interior kits to WRX wagon owners on the assumption that the interiors are the same. What you end up with is a bottom cushion cover that doesn't quite fit. If you were to push on the front corners of the wagon seats from that picture, you'd find that the underlying foam is in fact the same as the sedan picture, but the leather pattern wasn't designed to fit correctly.[/b] [i]I spoke to them after I discovered this on my wagon last year, but they never would agree to provide me with the correct seat bottoms.[/i] [b]Sucks for wagon owners.
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick [/B][/QUOTE]You should get a hold of this guy Leatherseats, it looks like he didn't get such a good result when he contacted you to get the issue resolved earlier on :( Maybe now that I did a little footwork and figured out the problem you can take care of him. Katzkin was very cool about it, they said they hadn't had any complaints before but would definetly look into the problem. They said they would have taken care of it right away had they been informed.
[B]Probably what happened is the wagon owner got a Leatherseats.com leather kit like I did. They ship Outback Sport interior kits to WRX wagon owners on the assumption that the interiors are the same. What you end up with is a bottom cushion cover that doesn't quite fit. If you were to push on the front corners of the wagon seats from that picture, you'd find that the underlying foam is in fact the same as the sedan picture, but the leather pattern wasn't designed to fit correctly.[/b] [i]I spoke to them after I discovered this on my wagon last year, but they never would agree to provide me with the correct seat bottoms.[/i] [b]Sucks for wagon owners.
Just noticed that the attachment feature is turned off on the forum. If anyone knows a way to post attachments I have a picture of my leather wagon seats and a picture of standard WRX wagon seats for comparison.
Bryan Wernick [/B][/QUOTE]You should get a hold of this guy Leatherseats, it looks like he didn't get such a good result when he contacted you to get the issue resolved earlier on :( Maybe now that I did a little footwork and figured out the problem you can take care of him. Katzkin was very cool about it, they said they hadn't had any complaints before but would definetly look into the problem. They said they would have taken care of it right away had they been informed.
| Javabean2 | 03-11-2003 01:32 PM |
2002 Wagon purchased April last year, I have the protruding seat and higher bolsters :)
| HiFiWRX | 03-11-2003 01:50 PM |
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Javabean2 [/i]
[B]2002 Wagon purchased April last year, I have the protruding seat and higher bolsters :) [/B][/QUOTE]I have come to the conclusion that I was originally incorrect with my assumption!!
I now believe all the WRX seats were the same HOWEVER the pics of the leather kits that Leatherseats.com had sent out for the wagons were what I was basing my initial assumption (this was STUPID of me I know!!) The problem is that they had been sending out seat covers for a different model (at least the bottoms) which was a mistake from the factory (Katzkin) so when I found out about it I did a little digging and called Katzkin and they are now making everything right (from what I know) with all their dealers.
I am actually kind of shocked that after 4 GBs that nobody with a wagon (other than Holy-Frijole, who I guess was unsucessful) even called Leatherseats.com to let them know about this! From what Katzkin told me this was news to them and they are and would have been more than willing to make it right had they been contacted about it earlier. Oh well All set now Just call and get it handled I guess! Good luck to all!
Thanks again for your input!
[B]2002 Wagon purchased April last year, I have the protruding seat and higher bolsters :) [/B][/QUOTE]I have come to the conclusion that I was originally incorrect with my assumption!!
I now believe all the WRX seats were the same HOWEVER the pics of the leather kits that Leatherseats.com had sent out for the wagons were what I was basing my initial assumption (this was STUPID of me I know!!) The problem is that they had been sending out seat covers for a different model (at least the bottoms) which was a mistake from the factory (Katzkin) so when I found out about it I did a little digging and called Katzkin and they are now making everything right (from what I know) with all their dealers.
I am actually kind of shocked that after 4 GBs that nobody with a wagon (other than Holy-Frijole, who I guess was unsucessful) even called Leatherseats.com to let them know about this! From what Katzkin told me this was news to them and they are and would have been more than willing to make it right had they been contacted about it earlier. Oh well All set now Just call and get it handled I guess! Good luck to all!
Thanks again for your input!
| Holy-Frijole | 03-11-2003 07:46 PM |
Just got off the phone with Eric, and I should have new seat covers by the weekend. It turns out that Katzkin had misinformed Leatherseats.com about this initially. Eric and I had both researched this last summer, and Katzkin insisted that there were small differences in the size of the bolster between the wagon and sedan. Because of that difference, they stated that the sedan seat covers would not fit the wagon. Eric had worked on this for me for a few weeks, but when the manufacturer insists that you have the correct part we were somewhat stuck. I let the issue drop at that point, but I am relieved that Katzkin has finally agreed that they were supplying the wrong seat kit for WRX wagon owners.
Eric and Leatherseats.com have provided a great service for our community, apart from this small glitch which should not be attributed as their fault. If they are kind enough to provide another groupbuy opportunity in the future, I would fully encourage anyone interested in a nicer interior to participate.
Bryan Wernick
Eric and Leatherseats.com have provided a great service for our community, apart from this small glitch which should not be attributed as their fault. If they are kind enough to provide another groupbuy opportunity in the future, I would fully encourage anyone interested in a nicer interior to participate.
Bryan Wernick
| HiFiWRX | 03-11-2003 07:58 PM |
Wow that is cool! I guess the one call from James @ ATD1 got them to take notice!
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I talked to ATD1 and had James give them a call and that was that. Sounds like the call is working out good for all the Katzkin dealers and customers! Glad to see your being taken care of!
Katzkin is really moving on this now, they overnighted new covers to a couple guys on the ClubWRX GB! Great service on their end I must say!
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Katzkin is really moving on this now, they overnighted new covers to a couple guys on the ClubWRX GB! Great service on their end I must say!
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| Ti-REX | 03-12-2003 05:35 PM |
Wow HIFI
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I'll give Eric a call to see what he can do. Good eye !
| 2k2 | 03-12-2003 07:14 PM |
BTW, to anyone who said those leather seats look "bad"
You guys must be insane!
I payed $750 for my seats that are black with grey suede inserts and every single person who has ridden in my car was SHOCKED that I installed them myself and could have sworn they came from the factory like that.
Now for saving at least $700 and all I am enjoying my seats to the fullest!
You guys must be insane!
I payed $750 for my seats that are black with grey suede inserts and every single person who has ridden in my car was SHOCKED that I installed them myself and could have sworn they came from the factory like that.
Now for saving at least $700 and all I am enjoying my seats to the fullest!
| HiFiWRX | 03-12-2003 07:41 PM |
I agree!!!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 2k2BlackWRX [/i]
[B]BTW, to anyone who said those leather seats look "bad"
You guys must be insane!
I payed $750 for my seats that are black with grey suede inserts and every single person who has ridden in my car was SHOCKED that I installed them myself and could have sworn they came from the factory like that.
Now for saving at least $700 and all I am enjoying my seats to the fullest! [/B][/QUOTE]The leather is beautiful high grade material and fits GREAT! I would say it is as good or better than most OEM leather! :D
[B]BTW, to anyone who said those leather seats look "bad"
You guys must be insane!
I payed $750 for my seats that are black with grey suede inserts and every single person who has ridden in my car was SHOCKED that I installed them myself and could have sworn they came from the factory like that.
Now for saving at least $700 and all I am enjoying my seats to the fullest! [/B][/QUOTE]The leather is beautiful high grade material and fits GREAT! I would say it is as good or better than most OEM leather! :D
| paultg | 03-12-2003 09:10 PM |
I think some of the "fit" comments may have come from the first pic where the seat backs are kind of wrinkled. I'm not sure if people realize that is a "style" that is available (I think it is). You can get a smooth, tight fit look also.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but here is the picture:
[img]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Sedan.jpg[/img]
Paul G.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but here is the picture:
[img]http://members.aol.com/hifiwrx/Sedan.jpg[/img]
Paul G.
| 2k2 | 03-12-2003 09:45 PM |
yes, that is called the gathered intsert option as opposed to flat non perferated inserts
| Turbo4me | 03-13-2003 05:13 AM |
The seats in my wagon and sedan are identical. Go figure.
Curt
Curt
| Ti-REX | 03-13-2003 08:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Turbo4me [/i]
[B]The seats in my wagon and sedan are identical. Go figure.
Curt [/B][/QUOTE]
I think that's what HIFI found out. Leather kits for WRX wagons were made as if they had different front seats compared to Sedan. WRX Wagons were thought to be the same as TS and Outbacks.
So, leather kits for WRX wagons have the wrong bottoms on their front seats.
Mine does. I thought it was only me, being my first install. Then I thought it would stretch. Then I got used to it...
[B]The seats in my wagon and sedan are identical. Go figure.
Curt [/B][/QUOTE]
I think that's what HIFI found out. Leather kits for WRX wagons were made as if they had different front seats compared to Sedan. WRX Wagons were thought to be the same as TS and Outbacks.
So, leather kits for WRX wagons have the wrong bottoms on their front seats.
Mine does. I thought it was only me, being my first install. Then I thought it would stretch. Then I got used to it...
| HiFiWRX | 03-13-2003 09:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ti-REX [/i]
[B]
I think that's what HIFI found out. Leather kits for WRX wagons were made as if they had different front seats compared to Sedan. WRX Wagons were thought to be the same as TS and Outbacks.
So, leather kits for WRX wagons have the wrong bottoms on their front seats.
Mine does. I thought it was only me, being my first install. Then I thought it would stretch. Then I got used to it... [/B][/QUOTE]That is correct Ti-REX, (I posted that up above too ;) ) Anyhow DON'T Settle!! They are fixing this goof now!! Take full advantage!! :D
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I think that's what HIFI found out. Leather kits for WRX wagons were made as if they had different front seats compared to Sedan. WRX Wagons were thought to be the same as TS and Outbacks.
So, leather kits for WRX wagons have the wrong bottoms on their front seats.
Mine does. I thought it was only me, being my first install. Then I thought it would stretch. Then I got used to it... [/B][/QUOTE]That is correct Ti-REX, (I posted that up above too ;) ) Anyhow DON'T Settle!! They are fixing this goof now!! Take full advantage!! :D
| SC WRX | 03-13-2003 01:16 PM |
I got my replacement WRX seat bottoms by UPS yesterday!!! Thanks Eric at leatherseats.com and Katzkins for your prompt attention to this matter!!
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