| Fat Tits | 02-27-2006 01:04 PM |
Help? Competition nomex clothing
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Its time for a racing suit as things are getting a little serious and safety must come first.
I was looking for some information on various one piece options and for anyone with any experience with a particular brand/style etc. and maybe even explain the FIA & SFI rating a little bit?
I need something atleast a 2 layer and comfortable.
so far ive been looking at something like the SPARCO SPRINT 5, and would like to keep it under $500.
i searched, but couldnt find anything too specific.
Thanks!
I was looking for some information on various one piece options and for anyone with any experience with a particular brand/style etc. and maybe even explain the FIA & SFI rating a little bit?
I need something atleast a 2 layer and comfortable.
so far ive been looking at something like the SPARCO SPRINT 5, and would like to keep it under $500.
i searched, but couldnt find anything too specific.
Thanks!
| Howl | 02-27-2006 01:37 PM |
Have you found this place yet?
[URL=http://www.leafracewear.com/show_products.asp]http://www.leafracewear.com/show_products.asp[/URL]
[URL=http://www.leafracewear.com/show_products.asp]http://www.leafracewear.com/show_products.asp[/URL]
| Fat Tits | 02-27-2006 03:13 PM |
oh nice, thanks. :)
do you have one of their suits? how do you like it?
do you have one of their suits? how do you like it?
| JnJassociates | 02-27-2006 03:21 PM |
Have you tried Bell/Pyrotect?
Very affordable and used by some of the best in the biz...
We do offer a NASIOC discount...
Bryan
Very affordable and used by some of the best in the biz...
We do offer a NASIOC discount...
Bryan
| VpointVick | 02-27-2006 03:53 PM |
The cover story in last month's Grassroots Motorsports was on safety equipment. Included was a buyer's guide, and explanations of the ratings.
See if you can bum it off a friend, or check the library.
See if you can bum it off a friend, or check the library.
| Fat Tits | 02-27-2006 04:23 PM |
[QUOTE=JnJassociates]Have you tried Bell/Pyrotect?
Very affordable and used by some of the best in the biz...
We do offer a NASIOC discount...
Bryan[/QUOTE]
Do you have Bell SL-5 or Bell Pro Sport?
[QUOTE=VpointVick]The cover story in last month's Grassroots Motorsports was on safety equipment. Included was a buyer's guide, and explanations of the ratings.
See if you can bum it off a friend, or check the library.[/QUOTE]
ooooh, i should go home and get my mail then :lol:
thanks for the heads up :)
Very affordable and used by some of the best in the biz...
We do offer a NASIOC discount...
Bryan[/QUOTE]
Do you have Bell SL-5 or Bell Pro Sport?
[QUOTE=VpointVick]The cover story in last month's Grassroots Motorsports was on safety equipment. Included was a buyer's guide, and explanations of the ratings.
See if you can bum it off a friend, or check the library.[/QUOTE]
ooooh, i should go home and get my mail then :lol:
thanks for the heads up :)
| abaxter34 | 02-27-2006 05:16 PM |
id suggest the gforce 545 suit. youre not going to find a lighter suit for $400 dollars. its almost as light as the sparco x-light for a lot less money. [url]www.saferacer.com[/url] recommends them highly.
| VpointVick | 02-27-2006 05:53 PM |
What size are you?
I have a [i]very[/i] lightly used Simpson two-layer, like this
[img]http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/prod_images/xlarge/std19.jpg[/img]
that I won't be using anymore, and would be willing to let go reasonably.
Interested?
I have a [i]very[/i] lightly used Simpson two-layer, like this
[img]http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/prod_images/xlarge/std19.jpg[/img]
that I won't be using anymore, and would be willing to let go reasonably.
Interested?
| MD@ | 02-27-2006 09:14 PM |
Does anyone have any experience with G-Force equipment? I use a Sparco myself, but am interested in seeing how the G-Force stuff holds up.
| abaxter34 | 02-27-2006 11:41 PM |
ill be ordering the gforce suit soon. from what ive heard the price break basically comes down to manufacturing quality when compared to sparco, alpinestars, etc. the stitching and seam construction just arent what the top brands offer. however, you wont find any of the top brands making suits as light as the 545 until you start spending around 1k.
i do have first hand experience with gforce gloves. i think theyre horrible. after only using my pro5 gloves twice ive replaced them with a set of alpinestars. alpinestar gloves are phenomenol. i d recommend them to everyone.
i do have first hand experience with gforce gloves. i think theyre horrible. after only using my pro5 gloves twice ive replaced them with a set of alpinestars. alpinestar gloves are phenomenol. i d recommend them to everyone.
| Fat Tits | 02-28-2006 01:15 PM |
[QUOTE=abaxter34]id suggest the gforce 545 suit. youre not going to find a lighter suit for $400 dollars. its almost as light as the sparco x-light for a lot less money. [url]www.saferacer.com[/url] recommends them highly.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the info, i think im going to find one locally and check it out.
thanks for the info, i think im going to find one locally and check it out.
| GarySheehan | 02-28-2006 02:12 PM |
One of our vendors, Racecomp Engineering, carries some very nice Alpinestars gear. Check it out here... [url]http://racecompengineering.com/motor.htm[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| turboICE | 02-28-2006 03:10 PM |
Brandon, go out to Driving Impressions and have a look at their Sabelt suits, they are a NASA NE sponsor too.
[url]http://www.teamdi.com/[/url]
They are FIA, but I don't know how they translate to the SFI time till crispy ratings.
I recommend a light one with the equivalent of 3.2A/5 (~9.5 seconds until crispy in gas fire 1800*-2100* or something like that) plus underwear and balaclava. Don't forget gloves and shoes with fire ratings as well.
There is a claim somewhere that more people have heat related injuries club racing than fire related. No idea on its validity. Though you are thin and healty start thinking about a cool shirt, hyperfest is notoriously brutal when you are in DD shorts less likely a drivers suit. Hydrate twice as much as you did before the suit.
Here is an SFI rating explanation: [url]http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/24.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Fat Tits]i searched, but couldnt find anything too specific.[/QUOTE]
Search is your friend - n00b - learn to work it over the same way you would them! ;)
Ed.
[url]http://www.teamdi.com/[/url]
They are FIA, but I don't know how they translate to the SFI time till crispy ratings.
I recommend a light one with the equivalent of 3.2A/5 (~9.5 seconds until crispy in gas fire 1800*-2100* or something like that) plus underwear and balaclava. Don't forget gloves and shoes with fire ratings as well.
There is a claim somewhere that more people have heat related injuries club racing than fire related. No idea on its validity. Though you are thin and healty start thinking about a cool shirt, hyperfest is notoriously brutal when you are in DD shorts less likely a drivers suit. Hydrate twice as much as you did before the suit.
Here is an SFI rating explanation: [url]http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/24.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Fat Tits]i searched, but couldnt find anything too specific.[/QUOTE]
Search is your friend - n00b - learn to work it over the same way you would them! ;)
Ed.
| tm999xxx | 02-28-2006 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE]time till crispy [/QUOTE] :lol:
| turboICE | 02-28-2006 08:54 PM |
I still don't know what is wrong with your existing suit though:
[img]http://photologue.dgoreck.org/albums/album15/Brandon_Pajama_s.sized.jpg[/img]
BTW - blame Canada.
:)
[img]http://photologue.dgoreck.org/albums/album15/Brandon_Pajama_s.sized.jpg[/img]
BTW - blame Canada.
:)
| trhoppe | 02-28-2006 10:46 PM |
Geforce 545 for the win!
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion. At the $400 price point it has a much better value then any other suits I found.
-Tom
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion. At the $400 price point it has a much better value then any other suits I found.
-Tom
| Jtree | 02-28-2006 10:55 PM |
i've got some nomex top and bottem under layers for sale if you (anyone) wants 'em.
| turboICE | 02-28-2006 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Jtree]i've got some nomex top and bottem under layers for sale if you (anyone) wants 'em.[/QUOTE]
Used? Oh boy! :lol:
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Geforce 545 for the win!
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion.[/QUOTE]Nicer is subjective, so not touching that.
But how was lighter and better arrived at?
What are their weights? And does weight matter as much as "light" in breathing and lower retained temperature? I'll take an extra pound not to be in a suit that is like wearing one of those plastic running suit from the 1970's (not saying any suit being discussed is - it is to make a point on "lightness")
What are the test results that show one 3.2a/5 rating is better than the other? I thought claims of relative betterness in safety equipment had to put up testing to show it. ;)
They all protect you from fire to the minimum of their rating - the rest is subjective.
Ed.
Used? Oh boy! :lol:
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Geforce 545 for the win!
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion.[/QUOTE]Nicer is subjective, so not touching that.
But how was lighter and better arrived at?
What are their weights? And does weight matter as much as "light" in breathing and lower retained temperature? I'll take an extra pound not to be in a suit that is like wearing one of those plastic running suit from the 1970's (not saying any suit being discussed is - it is to make a point on "lightness")
What are the test results that show one 3.2a/5 rating is better than the other? I thought claims of relative betterness in safety equipment had to put up testing to show it. ;)
They all protect you from fire to the minimum of their rating - the rest is subjective.
Ed.
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 12:01 AM |
And the Pyrotect Pyrotect Pyrolite II and Protrak II Suits are less than $300 SFI 3.2a/5 on the value proposition side.
| trhoppe | 03-01-2006 12:01 AM |
You suck :lol:
nicer == that fancy cross panel thing instead of the vertical only stitch. Its supposed to be safer isn't it? it has a stretchable nomex back panel which is a feature only the $texas sparco's have
lighter == I felt them both and tried them both on. The Gforce was lighter then the Sparco.
better == Better value IMHO because of a lower pricepoint and more features while weighing less.
-Tom
nicer == that fancy cross panel thing instead of the vertical only stitch. Its supposed to be safer isn't it? it has a stretchable nomex back panel which is a feature only the $texas sparco's have
lighter == I felt them both and tried them both on. The Gforce was lighter then the Sparco.
better == Better value IMHO because of a lower pricepoint and more features while weighing less.
-Tom
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 12:04 AM |
I know I do on occassion! A lot of subjectiveness there! :p
Protrak II
Standard Features:
Nomex outer layer with lightweight Kevlar liner
NASAFIL "seamless" arm liner
Knit lined NASCAR collar and lower knit rear waistband give superior comfort
Colors: Red/Black, Black/Royal Blue, Black/Grey
Sizes: standard M/L, L, XL, (XXL add 10%)
One piece, SFI-5
[img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-protrak.gif[/img]
Pyrolite II
Standard Features:
Two Layers: Outer layer Nomex fabric, inner layer Kevlar fabric
Slash pockets, attached belt
straight leg cuff
Raglan sleeve design has contrasting color
Hidden epaulets
Knit arm cuffs, collar and lower waist band for maximum comfort
Colors: Red, Royal Blue, Black
Sizes: standard M/L, L, XL, (XXL add 10%)
One piece, SFI-5
[img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-red.jpg[/img][img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-blue.jpg[/img][img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-gray.jpg[/img]
Both under $300
Suits are new to me but I use their undersuit garments and like them.
Protrak II
Standard Features:
Nomex outer layer with lightweight Kevlar liner
NASAFIL "seamless" arm liner
Knit lined NASCAR collar and lower knit rear waistband give superior comfort
Colors: Red/Black, Black/Royal Blue, Black/Grey
Sizes: standard M/L, L, XL, (XXL add 10%)
One piece, SFI-5
[img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-protrak.gif[/img]
Pyrolite II
Standard Features:
Two Layers: Outer layer Nomex fabric, inner layer Kevlar fabric
Slash pockets, attached belt
straight leg cuff
Raglan sleeve design has contrasting color
Hidden epaulets
Knit arm cuffs, collar and lower waist band for maximum comfort
Colors: Red, Royal Blue, Black
Sizes: standard M/L, L, XL, (XXL add 10%)
One piece, SFI-5
[img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-red.jpg[/img][img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-blue.jpg[/img][img]http://www.ioportracing.com/images/current/cloth-pyrolite-gray.jpg[/img]
Both under $300
Suits are new to me but I use their undersuit garments and like them.
| trhoppe | 03-01-2006 12:11 AM |
I will just quote one line that should make you not buy their less expensive suits :lol:
"Recommended for cooler climates or evening and drag racing."
-Tom
"Recommended for cooler climates or evening and drag racing."
-Tom
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 12:13 AM |
Touche.
That is the pyrolite not for the other the SV-5 says this:
"GREAT FOR ALL FORMS OF RACING!"
Same price.
That is the pyrolite not for the other the SV-5 says this:
"GREAT FOR ALL FORMS OF RACING!"
Same price.
| trhoppe | 03-01-2006 12:20 AM |
SV-5 is only single layer and requires a full suite of nomex underwear. That will be more uncomfortable and will cost more then a $399 priced double layer suit ;) :p
edit: although there was a safety expert thread on the rr/ax honda-tech forum who said that cotton is bad under ANY race suit. With that, you would wear nomex undies even under 2 layer suits. I do like my boxers/cotton t-shirt feel, so I have to look into this further.
-Tom
edit: although there was a safety expert thread on the rr/ax honda-tech forum who said that cotton is bad under ANY race suit. With that, you would wear nomex undies even under 2 layer suits. I do like my boxers/cotton t-shirt feel, so I have to look into this further.
-Tom
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 12:34 AM |
It is rated 5, nomex underwear is not required even though it is only single layer. I have a single layer 3.2a/5 suit that I used for comp schools and tech confirmed.
[quote]Underwear is not required with three-layer suits or with suits carrying FIA standards of 8856-1986 or 8856-2000 or SFI 3-2A/5 or higher (e.g., /10, /15, /20) Certification Patch . FIA homologated driving suits and underwear are recommended.[/quote]
I use their Firewear innerwear (since it as comfortable as cotton but as good as nomex underwear) under my current Sparco (bought at better than under $400 closeout) though I am curious why they don't have it on their site anymore. Firewear (TM) is listed as permitted underwear.
And for the record if I were to try it and it fit me right I would be up for the 545. ;)
[quote]Underwear is not required with three-layer suits or with suits carrying FIA standards of 8856-1986 or 8856-2000 or SFI 3-2A/5 or higher (e.g., /10, /15, /20) Certification Patch . FIA homologated driving suits and underwear are recommended.[/quote]
I use their Firewear innerwear (since it as comfortable as cotton but as good as nomex underwear) under my current Sparco (bought at better than under $400 closeout) though I am curious why they don't have it on their site anymore. Firewear (TM) is listed as permitted underwear.
And for the record if I were to try it and it fit me right I would be up for the 545. ;)
| trhoppe | 03-01-2006 05:35 AM |
[QUOTE=turboICE]
And for the record if I were to try it and it fit me right I would be up for the 545. ;)[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: bastage!
-Tom
And for the record if I were to try it and it fit me right I would be up for the 545. ;)[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: bastage!
-Tom
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 10:17 AM |
It's all good - I never said anything wrong with the 545, just calling you out on what was objective and what was subjective in your support!
Ed "bastage that sucks" H.
Ed "bastage that sucks" H.
| abaxter34 | 03-01-2006 09:29 PM |
[QUOTE=turboICE]
What are the test results that show one 3.2a/5 rating is better than the other? I thought claims of relative betterness in safety equipment had to put up testing to show it. ;)
[/QUOTE]
you need to look at the TPP (thermal protective performance) rating. the 545's rating is 23, which is relatively high for a 2 layer 3.2a/5 suit. divide the number in half and thats roughly the amount of time you have before youre "crispy". generally, most 2 layer suits are around 20.
What are the test results that show one 3.2a/5 rating is better than the other? I thought claims of relative betterness in safety equipment had to put up testing to show it. ;)
[/QUOTE]
you need to look at the TPP (thermal protective performance) rating. the 545's rating is 23, which is relatively high for a 2 layer 3.2a/5 suit. divide the number in half and thats roughly the amount of time you have before youre "crispy". generally, most 2 layer suits are around 20.
| trhoppe | 03-01-2006 10:05 PM |
Where did you find that data, and where could we find it for other suits?
-Tom
-Tom
| abaxter34 | 03-01-2006 10:21 PM |
[url]http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/24.pdf[/url] this page has a general tpp breakdown for different layered suits. most of the tpp numbers i found i pretty much stumbled across at different manufacturer websites. you just have to do a fair amount of searching, sorry i cant think of any particular places that have a list. the 545's value is printed right in gforces catalog. the 545's number was one of the higher ones i saw for a 2 layer suit. of course, as the tpp increases usually the weight of the suit does as well.
| turboICE | 03-01-2006 10:43 PM |
Ahhhhhh! I see. I thought all 3.2a/5 was 19TPP period (~9.5 seconds) period. So there are measures out there for what they get between their 5 rating and thier 10 rating 38 TPP? Now that would be much more useful to know the TPP for safeties sake and more direct comparison. Surely the single layer Bell and Pyrotects are pretty much down on the 19 TPP side vs the potential of the double and triple suits I take it then.
| Yesitsdrew5310 | 07-06-2006 08:09 PM |
So who has tried out the 545 suit? Any new info?
| silver arrow | 07-06-2006 08:31 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Geforce 545 for the win!
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion. At the $400 price point it has a much better value then any other suits I found.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I've been looking at that suit too.
Its a much nicer, lighter, and better suit then the Sparco Sprint or Sparco Fashion. At the $400 price point it has a much better value then any other suits I found.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I've been looking at that suit too.
| trhoppe | 07-06-2006 08:39 PM |
I've been wearing the 545 for about 7 races now. I really really like it. There is nothing more I would ask for in a race suit at that price point. Its light enough to where I don't notice it, and honestly, not once, ever has it entered my mind during a race.
I take it off and hang it up after every session/race and don't roll around on the ground with it or anything. There isn't a lick of wear on any of it.
Big :thumbsup:
-Tom
I take it off and hang it up after every session/race and don't roll around on the ground with it or anything. There isn't a lick of wear on any of it.
Big :thumbsup:
-Tom
| abaxter34 | 07-06-2006 10:46 PM |
ive been using the 545 too. i ordered mine in black to hide any dirt/brake dust/etc. that might get on it in the pit area. overall its been a nice suit. its much lighter than the omp and sparco suits that are in the same price range. it does have a more "american" style cut to it than the euro suits but ive come to like the extra room as its just more comfortable to move in when carrying out last minute wheels changes and such. i wear full carbon-x underwear with the suit and the combination of the two wicks moisture away super fast. if i were to purchase the suit again i might look into alpinestars cheapest suit due to the fact ive been so impressed with their gloves and shoes, but their enty level suit is still around $200 more than the 545. for the cost of the 545 i really dont think you can beat it.
| Yesitsdrew5310 | 07-07-2006 02:30 AM |
Wow, well I'm glad to hear that the 545 is a good suit. I'm just getting into co-driving (my first rally I co-drive for is Wild West coming up in Sep) How flexable is the suit, just in case I need to get a bit physical with the car.
Hey Tom, do you wear a underwear with your suit?
As for co-drivers, do you guys wear fireproof shoes?
Hey Tom, do you wear a underwear with your suit?
As for co-drivers, do you guys wear fireproof shoes?
| trhoppe | 07-07-2006 08:55 AM |
I don't wear the nomex underwear with mine. I just wear boxers and a t-shirt.
-Tom
-Tom
| thechickencow | 07-07-2006 10:26 AM |
Nobody mentioned OMP suits yet, but I think thats what I'd get next if I was getting another one.
I've got a GForce and a Racequip, both are fine.
I've got a GForce and a Racequip, both are fine.
| bjorn240 | 07-07-2006 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE=Yesitsdrew5310]As for co-drivers, do you guys wear fireproof shoes?[/QUOTE]
I think you'll find it splits about 50/50 between driving shoes and sneakers/light hikers. Personally, I wear Alpinestars fire-retardant co-driver boots for all events. They are identical to the F1-R boots, but have a hiking boot-style sole and a toe bumper.
FWIW, I also wear Alpinestars underwear, even though my suit is FIA 8856-2000 compliant and doesn't require it. If the suit fits and the underwear fits, it's feels fine. Yes, you'll sweat a little more, but just drink some water. Wrestling with a book isn't exactly hard work.
- Christian
I think you'll find it splits about 50/50 between driving shoes and sneakers/light hikers. Personally, I wear Alpinestars fire-retardant co-driver boots for all events. They are identical to the F1-R boots, but have a hiking boot-style sole and a toe bumper.
FWIW, I also wear Alpinestars underwear, even though my suit is FIA 8856-2000 compliant and doesn't require it. If the suit fits and the underwear fits, it's feels fine. Yes, you'll sweat a little more, but just drink some water. Wrestling with a book isn't exactly hard work.
- Christian
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