| formula91 | 09-10-2006 08:27 PM |
I thought this would be a bit interesting (Fluent Japanese speakers would be nice)
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[URL="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3933962787931352545&q=STi+supercars"]STi vs "supercars"[/URL]
Although I really don't count the Corvette as a super car.
It doesn't really count as anything, but it's still cool. =P
It's odd how it came last on time trials though.
If anyone knows Japanese, can someone tell me what they're saying? I only understand small phrases and words.
Although I really don't count the Corvette as a super car.
It doesn't really count as anything, but it's still cool. =P
It's odd how it came last on time trials though.
If anyone knows Japanese, can someone tell me what they're saying? I only understand small phrases and words.
| grippgoat | 09-10-2006 09:31 PM |
I'd love to know more about tires and such.... I'm having trouble believing the S204 could hold off a Z06 without a pretty big tire or driver advantage.
-Mike
-Mike
| RobY | 09-10-2006 09:45 PM |
^me too
| leecea | 09-10-2006 09:46 PM |
The STi looked like it was sliding and on the edge. The Z06 didn't look like it was trying and wasn't using the full track. Well, that's my opinion!
| MachinesWRX | 09-10-2006 10:00 PM |
sorry, its a repost.
But to elaborate, the driver in the s204 is Keiichi Tsuchiya and is the best driver there. Im sure the advantage at the start had something to do with it but who knows.....im not fluent enough in nihongo yet to understand everything..:(
But to elaborate, the driver in the s204 is Keiichi Tsuchiya and is the best driver there. Im sure the advantage at the start had something to do with it but who knows.....im not fluent enough in nihongo yet to understand everything..:(
| RobY | 09-10-2006 10:02 PM |
The z06 should have blown by the car like it was standing still in the straightaways. Something smells like fish.
| DrBiggly | 09-10-2006 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE=leecea;15196599]The STi looked like it was sliding and on the edge. The Z06 didn't look like it was trying and wasn't using the full track. Well, that's my opinion![/QUOTE]
Agreed. What are their Nurburgring laptimes (if anyone knows this data.)
Corner entry on the first corner alone showed the startling difference between drivers. The Z06 should have been able to out-brake the STi unless the STi brakes are made of something magical. As I recall the Z06 brakes are built for significant punishment. I also have a hard time believing that two vehicles with roughly the same weight (S204 vs. Z06) but have a startlingly different amount of power (500hp for the Z06 vs. what, like 320 for the STi?) would be dead matched on every straight.
Smells like a setup. The Lambo is pushing into the corners just like I expected it would though. No idea on the GTR-Rtune34+KZRYX Skyline thing.
-Biggly
Agreed. What are their Nurburgring laptimes (if anyone knows this data.)
Corner entry on the first corner alone showed the startling difference between drivers. The Z06 should have been able to out-brake the STi unless the STi brakes are made of something magical. As I recall the Z06 brakes are built for significant punishment. I also have a hard time believing that two vehicles with roughly the same weight (S204 vs. Z06) but have a startlingly different amount of power (500hp for the Z06 vs. what, like 320 for the STi?) would be dead matched on every straight.
Smells like a setup. The Lambo is pushing into the corners just like I expected it would though. No idea on the GTR-Rtune34+KZRYX Skyline thing.
-Biggly
| meebs | 09-10-2006 10:37 PM |
Hardly what I would call a race. :) Starting position was key to the setup. Whenever you fight for a position, you are much much slower. The Sti ran off into the sunset and left the GTR and the ZO6 to fight, as a result, holding up the Lambo. Had they started Lambo, Z06, GTR, Sti, I'm sure that's how it would have stayed and you would have seen immense gaps. Once they settled down on the last lap :rolleyes: you saw the z06 chew up the Sti's lead.
| STi-MAN | 09-10-2006 10:58 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs;15197132]Hardly what I would call a race. :) Starting position was key to the setup. Whenever you fight for a position, you are much much slower. The Sti ran off into the sunset and left the GTR and the ZO6 to fight, as a result, holding up the Lambo. Had they started Lambo, Z06, GTR, Sti, I'm sure that's how it would have stayed and you would have seen immense gaps. Once they settled down on the last lap :rolleyes: you saw the z06 chew up the Sti's lead.[/QUOTE]
yea i agree... the starting position was setup to make it more competitive for the s204 but the driver in the s204 is just a damn good driver, who has driven that course more times then anyone can count, hence the awesome lap times..... but i'm still happy to see what the subie can do.
yea i agree... the starting position was setup to make it more competitive for the s204 but the driver in the s204 is just a damn good driver, who has driven that course more times then anyone can count, hence the awesome lap times..... but i'm still happy to see what the subie can do.
| nhluhr | 09-10-2006 11:17 PM |
[QUOTE=RobY;15196763]The z06 should have blown by the car like it was standing still in the straightaways. Something smells like fish.[/QUOTE]That race was at Tsukuba. This is a track that gives a HUGE advantage to an AWD vehicle because the only long straight on the track happens to directly follow an extremely tight, slightly uphill right hander. Also, the entire midfield is advantage:AWD because of the tightness of turn 1 and the turn before the runup to the dunlop bridge.
Also, the corvette (only non-AWD car there) was forced to take a very defensive (and thus not optimal for catching up) line to hold off the GT-R.
Also, the S204 is truly a badass Impreza. It comes with the 4-way adjustable Tarmac suspension, bigger swaybars, pillowball control arms, upgraded brake rotors (less pad knockback and more ventilation) with sport pads, chassis dampeners, Pzero Corsa (R-comp) tires, a high flow full exhaust, motorsport ECU, larger turbo (more power and torque than any previous production Impreza), and dramatically improved aerodynamics over anything prior.
Make no mistake about it, The S204 is the single best production Impreza ever released, both in terms of refinement AND performance. Combine this with the aforementioned avantages that the track gives to the car, as well as the driver advantage, and there is no reason it should not be in the lead of that race, although it is funny to see it, nonetheless.
Also, the corvette (only non-AWD car there) was forced to take a very defensive (and thus not optimal for catching up) line to hold off the GT-R.
Also, the S204 is truly a badass Impreza. It comes with the 4-way adjustable Tarmac suspension, bigger swaybars, pillowball control arms, upgraded brake rotors (less pad knockback and more ventilation) with sport pads, chassis dampeners, Pzero Corsa (R-comp) tires, a high flow full exhaust, motorsport ECU, larger turbo (more power and torque than any previous production Impreza), and dramatically improved aerodynamics over anything prior.
Make no mistake about it, The S204 is the single best production Impreza ever released, both in terms of refinement AND performance. Combine this with the aforementioned avantages that the track gives to the car, as well as the driver advantage, and there is no reason it should not be in the lead of that race, although it is funny to see it, nonetheless.
| STi-MAN | 09-11-2006 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE=nhluhr;15197522]That race was at Tsukuba. This is a track that gives a HUGE advantage to an AWD vehicle because the only long straight on the track happens to directly follow an extremely tight, slightly uphill right hander. Also, the entire midfield is advantage:AWD because of the tightness of turn 1 and the turn before the runup to the dunlop bridge.
Also, the corvette (only non-AWD car there) was forced to take a very defensive (and thus not optimal for catching up) line to hold off the GT-R.
Also, the S204 is truly a badass Impreza. It comes with the 4-way adjustable Tarmac suspension, bigger swaybars, pillowball control arms, upgraded brake rotors (less pad knockback and more ventilation) with sport pads, chassis dampeners, Pzero Corsa (R-comp) tires, a high flow full exhaust, motorsport ECU, larger turbo (more power and torque than any previous production Impreza), and dramatically improved aerodynamics over anything prior.
Make no mistake about it, The S204 is the single best production Impreza ever released, both in terms of refinement AND performance. Combine this with the aforementioned avantages that the track gives to the car, as well as the driver advantage, and there is no reason it should not be in the lead of that race, although it is funny to see it, nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
+1, people need more subie pride like you nick.
Also, the corvette (only non-AWD car there) was forced to take a very defensive (and thus not optimal for catching up) line to hold off the GT-R.
Also, the S204 is truly a badass Impreza. It comes with the 4-way adjustable Tarmac suspension, bigger swaybars, pillowball control arms, upgraded brake rotors (less pad knockback and more ventilation) with sport pads, chassis dampeners, Pzero Corsa (R-comp) tires, a high flow full exhaust, motorsport ECU, larger turbo (more power and torque than any previous production Impreza), and dramatically improved aerodynamics over anything prior.
Make no mistake about it, The S204 is the single best production Impreza ever released, both in terms of refinement AND performance. Combine this with the aforementioned avantages that the track gives to the car, as well as the driver advantage, and there is no reason it should not be in the lead of that race, although it is funny to see it, nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
+1, people need more subie pride like you nick.
| senortighto | 09-11-2006 02:27 AM |
the bmi races are also setup with the slowest car up front, and the fastest at the rear, giving the cars as close to equal place in starting.
| formula91 | 09-11-2006 02:51 AM |
Ah, I knew that voice in the S204 sounded familiar. Weren't they sort of making fun of each other during the race? Anyway, like I said, doesn't count for anything. It's still fun to watch though. I wonder if the GTR got the lead what would happen... Oh well, maybe another day.
| Mykl | 09-11-2006 03:11 AM |
Also consider that the Z06 is a LHD car and those guys are used to shifting with their right hand. I saw one episode where somebody managed to misshift and destory a Ferrari engine.
| Impreza01 | 09-11-2006 04:57 AM |
BMI races aren't really fair. To give credit though, the Time Attack times do properly put the fast cars in order: Lambo, Skyline Z-tune (this is a Nismo car that has 500hp, Sachs coilovers and much more), Z06, S204
| STi-MAN | 09-11-2006 05:04 AM |
^^ yea but what type of racing is ever "fair". There are better drivers then others in BMI and in real racing. I'm sure if Tsuchiya was in the z06 he would have eventually got infront of the s204.
| MachinesWRX | 09-11-2006 07:43 AM |
something really isnt right with the time attack times where the s204 is 4th at 107.xx lap time. for a car that developed, that car should be in low 5sec to high 4sec ESPECIALLY with R-compounds. The spec-c runs in the 5s and evo9 in the 4s and they are on street tires...eh....just an observation.
| Student Driver | 09-11-2006 11:13 AM |
Well, I've ridden in one of the Z06 'vettes and it's truly insane. I would love to see John Heinricy or Ron Fellows behind the wheel and see if the result is the same. It's always funny watching them slide around an M3 as if it's hard to control, and then take a gi-normous Skyline around the track in "record time".
For a little bit of reality, the normal STI covered the TopGear track in 1.30.1, while the Z06 did it in 1.22.4.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml[/url]
Considering that the Evo FQ-400 and the Prodrive P2 were in the 1.24.xx, I find it hard to believe that the S204 will make up >8 seconds around the same circuit. Yes, I'm a Subaru fan but I'm a bigger fan of reality...
For a little bit of reality, the normal STI covered the TopGear track in 1.30.1, while the Z06 did it in 1.22.4.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml[/url]
Considering that the Evo FQ-400 and the Prodrive P2 were in the 1.24.xx, I find it hard to believe that the S204 will make up >8 seconds around the same circuit. Yes, I'm a Subaru fan but I'm a bigger fan of reality...
| bjorn240 | 09-11-2006 11:36 AM |
Had an opportunity to drive a new Z06 while in LA for the X Games over the summer. It's a completely insane car. Switchgear like a 94 Lumina, but holy moly what a motor/suspension/brakes!
- Christian
- Christian
| chaddeus | 09-11-2006 11:51 AM |
Did you get to the end where they are doing those flying laps? The STi is the last.... (Slowest)
- Charles
- Charles
| Student Driver | 09-11-2006 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15201940]Switchgear like a 94 Lumina...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Hah! I drove a C4 'vette at our last autocross, and that accurately describes the shifting feel. Must be a "feel thing" that they are preserving throughout the family line.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Hah! I drove a C4 'vette at our last autocross, and that accurately describes the shifting feel. Must be a "feel thing" that they are preserving throughout the family line.
| DrBiggly | 09-11-2006 12:04 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15201940]Had an opportunity to drive a new Z06 while in LA for the X Games over the summer. It's a completely insane car. Switchgear like a 94 Lumina, but holy moly what a motor/suspension/brakes!
- Christian[/QUOTE]
So you don't believe that the outcome was a proper empirical test then? :)
-Biggly
- Christian[/QUOTE]
So you don't believe that the outcome was a proper empirical test then? :)
-Biggly
| Mopho | 09-11-2006 12:08 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15201940]Had an opportunity to drive a new Z06 while in LA for the X Games over the summer. It's a completely insane car. Switchgear like a 94 Lumina, but holy moly what a motor/suspension/brakes!
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah?! Well I got to drive the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 on a track at 150mph :D
Oh, and my dad can beat up your dad :lol:
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah?! Well I got to drive the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 on a track at 150mph :D
Oh, and my dad can beat up your dad :lol:
| bjorn240 | 09-11-2006 12:26 PM |
Oh, Mopho, don't get all e-thuggy on me and make me break out the big guns!
[IMG]http://myspace-737.vo.llnwd.net/01094/73/73/1094113737_m.jpg[/IMG]
Shake and bake!
[IMG]http://myspace-737.vo.llnwd.net/01094/73/73/1094113737_m.jpg[/IMG]
Shake and bake!
| Mopho | 09-11-2006 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15202596]Oh, Mopho, don't get all e-thuggy on me and make me break out the big guns!
Shake and bake![/QUOTE]
.......... :lol: :huh:
Shake and bake![/QUOTE]
.......... :lol: :huh:
| STinsane | 09-11-2006 12:55 PM |
the guy in the s204 had way faster shifts then everybody else
and the zo6 probably wasnt as fast because of the slower shifts because he wasnt used to the left hand drive
that my opinion
and the zo6 probably wasnt as fast because of the slower shifts because he wasnt used to the left hand drive
that my opinion
| grippgoat | 09-11-2006 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=nhluhr;15197522]Also, the S204 is truly a badass Impreza. It comes with the 4-way adjustable Tarmac suspension, bigger swaybars, pillowball control arms, upgraded brake rotors (less pad knockback and more ventilation) with sport pads, chassis dampeners, [b]Pzero Corsa (R-comp) tires[/b], a high flow full exhaust, motorsport ECU, larger turbo (more power and torque than any previous production Impreza), and dramatically improved aerodynamics over anything prior.[/QUOTE]
Ah, there we go. I'm not entirely buying that Tsuchiya is THAT much better than anyone else there.... I think some of the other guys are JGTC drivers.
Of course, maybe JGTC drivers actually suck. It wouldn't really surprise me. :)
But being on R-Comps vs. everyone else on street tires would definitely make the difference.
-Mike
Ah, there we go. I'm not entirely buying that Tsuchiya is THAT much better than anyone else there.... I think some of the other guys are JGTC drivers.
Of course, maybe JGTC drivers actually suck. It wouldn't really surprise me. :)
But being on R-Comps vs. everyone else on street tires would definitely make the difference.
-Mike
| Calamity Jesus | 09-11-2006 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE=formula91;15195802]Although I really don't count the Corvette as a super car.[/QUOTE]You don't consider the Z06 to be a supercar, but you think a Skyline is?:rolleyes:
I don't think the Z06 was setup properly or driven properly. You can see that he leaves some of the turns in 2nd gear.. I don't know what the gearing is like in the Z06 but I do know the power drops off after 6k rpm. He probably would have been better off in 3rd gear for all of the turn exits. 2nd gear at 6000rpm in a Z06 is 66mph according to [url=http://www.answers.com/topic/gear-ratio]this page[/url].
I don't think the Z06 was setup properly or driven properly. You can see that he leaves some of the turns in 2nd gear.. I don't know what the gearing is like in the Z06 but I do know the power drops off after 6k rpm. He probably would have been better off in 3rd gear for all of the turn exits. 2nd gear at 6000rpm in a Z06 is 66mph according to [url=http://www.answers.com/topic/gear-ratio]this page[/url].
| bitterWRX | 09-11-2006 01:41 PM |
In my opinion, Tsukuba is a bad track to have these comparison. Especially when you dealing with top speed cars like the Lambos, Corvettes, and Skylines. The track is too short and not very wide. Passing becomes unlikely and when they hit the back straight, they don't get a lot of acceleration time before they have to brake again.
| Student Driver | 09-11-2006 02:05 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;15203444]In my opinion, Tsukuba is a bad track to have these comparison. Especially when you dealing with top speed cars like the Lambos, Corvettes, and Skylines. The track is too short and not very wide. Passing becomes unlikely and when they hit the back straight, they don't get a lot of acceleration time before they have to brake again.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. It's a great track to race in Forza, but 3 or more people turns into a BTCC race...
;)
Pretty much. It's a great track to race in Forza, but 3 or more people turns into a BTCC race...
;)
| nhluhr | 09-11-2006 04:01 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;15203216]I think some of the other guys are JGTC drivers.[/quote]They all are.[quote]Of course, maybe JGTC drivers actually suck. It wouldn't really surprise me. :)[/quote]They do. Ever watch a JGTC race? It's a goddamn slide-n-crash fest.
| REX8 | 09-11-2006 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE=STi-MAN;15197997]+1, people need more subie pride like you nick.[/QUOTE]
We need more people to try and justify the slower car actually being faster? Just because its a Subaru?
Theres a difference between pride, and being a fanboy...
The vette was 3 seconds a lap quicker than the Suby...in the timed one laps...
In the "race" you could clearly see the Suby having hte wheels driven off of it, while the Vette was cruising around...
We need more people to try and justify the slower car actually being faster? Just because its a Subaru?
Theres a difference between pride, and being a fanboy...
The vette was 3 seconds a lap quicker than the Suby...in the timed one laps...
In the "race" you could clearly see the Suby having hte wheels driven off of it, while the Vette was cruising around...
| MachinesWRX | 09-11-2006 04:23 PM |
yea i think if the race was truly "rigged" then id think theyd have the GTR in 1st place or even in 2nd. Theres too many variables to just bench race, its entertainment in the end, we know what is fast in reality and whats not.
| Student Driver | 09-11-2006 04:31 PM |
There usually isn't a ton of passing since they're afraid of scratching the cars. I can see why they would be, but in every other form of wheel-to-wheel racing I've seen there's a bit of rubbin' goin' on. There were several points where a bit more aggressive braking would have the Skyline blow by the Z06.
| STinsane | 09-11-2006 04:37 PM |
[quote=grippgoat;15203216]
But being on R-Comps vs. everyone else on street tires would definitely make the difference.
-Mike[/quote]
so tru, my dad has an SVT contour with R compunds and a "few" mods, and he can keep up with SVT cobras with some mods on the track
But being on R-Comps vs. everyone else on street tires would definitely make the difference.
-Mike[/quote]
so tru, my dad has an SVT contour with R compunds and a "few" mods, and he can keep up with SVT cobras with some mods on the track
| DrBiggly | 09-11-2006 04:50 PM |
[QUOTE=nhluhr;15205516]They all are.They do. Ever watch a JGTC race? It's a goddamn slide-n-crash fest.[/QUOTE]
Heh. I had some folks tell me on another board that I was out of my mind and that <insert some Japanese names> and <another Japanese name> would dominate anyone in any car on any track and that the JGTC is more or less equivalent to F1 drivers in terms of skill. My opinion, in line with nhluhr's, is somewhat different. :)
-Biggly
Heh. I had some folks tell me on another board that I was out of my mind and that <insert some Japanese names> and <another Japanese name> would dominate anyone in any car on any track and that the JGTC is more or less equivalent to F1 drivers in terms of skill. My opinion, in line with nhluhr's, is somewhat different. :)
-Biggly
| STi-MAN | 09-11-2006 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;15205561]We need more people to try and justify the slower car actually being faster? Just because its a Subaru?
Theres a difference between pride, and being a fanboy...
The vette was 3 seconds a lap quicker than the Suby...in the timed one laps...
In the "race" you could clearly see the Suby having hte wheels driven off of it, while the Vette was cruising around...[/QUOTE]
You have to take into count that the S204 had no other car that it had in its way.. so it could take the best line, where as the corvette had to worry about the skyline.. I know that this race was set up so that the s204 would have way more of a chance then ussual, but drivers do make a huge difference. If you go to a track/autox event it becomes quite evident that some drivers can do wonders with a car, that on paper, is not a match.
ps. im a fan boy.
Theres a difference between pride, and being a fanboy...
The vette was 3 seconds a lap quicker than the Suby...in the timed one laps...
In the "race" you could clearly see the Suby having hte wheels driven off of it, while the Vette was cruising around...[/QUOTE]
You have to take into count that the S204 had no other car that it had in its way.. so it could take the best line, where as the corvette had to worry about the skyline.. I know that this race was set up so that the s204 would have way more of a chance then ussual, but drivers do make a huge difference. If you go to a track/autox event it becomes quite evident that some drivers can do wonders with a car, that on paper, is not a match.
ps. im a fan boy.
| WRXMaster | 09-11-2006 07:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Student Driver;15201617]Well, I've ridden in one of the Z06 'vettes and it's truly insane. I would love to see John Heinricy or Ron Fellows behind the wheel and see if the result is the same. It's always funny watching them slide around an M3 as if it's hard to control, and then take a gi-normous Skyline around the track in "record time".
For a little bit of reality, the normal STI covered the TopGear track in 1.30.1, while the Z06 did it in 1.22.4.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml[/url]
Considering that the Evo FQ-400 and the Prodrive P2 were in the 1.24.xx, I find it hard to believe that the S204 will make up >8 seconds around the same circuit. Yes, I'm a Subaru fan but I'm a bigger fan of reality...[/QUOTE]
TopGear track is very fast track!!!!! It would def be in the zo6's advantage. Z06's have almost no body roll which makes it extremly difficult to tell if the driver is pushing the limits. Now if the Z06 had racing tires the Subaru would have no chance.
For a little bit of reality, the normal STI covered the TopGear track in 1.30.1, while the Z06 did it in 1.22.4.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml[/url]
Considering that the Evo FQ-400 and the Prodrive P2 were in the 1.24.xx, I find it hard to believe that the S204 will make up >8 seconds around the same circuit. Yes, I'm a Subaru fan but I'm a bigger fan of reality...[/QUOTE]
TopGear track is very fast track!!!!! It would def be in the zo6's advantage. Z06's have almost no body roll which makes it extremly difficult to tell if the driver is pushing the limits. Now if the Z06 had racing tires the Subaru would have no chance.
| bjorn240 | 09-11-2006 07:31 PM |
Chris, you gonna be at Cog?
| drf | 09-12-2006 01:09 AM |
Not going to say anything about the outcome. The results of these Best Motoring races have always been questionable, to say the least.
What I'm wondering about though, is the Z06's gearbox. Look how slowly the driver has to shift that thing... For those that have actually driven the car, is the gearbox really that bad?
What I'm wondering about though, is the Z06's gearbox. Look how slowly the driver has to shift that thing... For those that have actually driven the car, is the gearbox really that bad?
| ChrisL2 | 09-12-2006 01:15 AM |
[QUOTE=drf;15212394]
What I'm wondering about though, is the Z06's gearbox. Look how slowly the driver has to shift that thing... For those that have actually driven the car, is the gearbox really that bad?[/QUOTE]
As mentioned elsewhere, the driver is most likely used to RHD drive. He probably has to concentrate a little more when shifting in a LHD.
Perfect example, I know quite a few people who would try to shift a RHD car with their right hand when they first started driving a RHD car. Nothing like trying to put your hand through the door.
What I'm wondering about though, is the Z06's gearbox. Look how slowly the driver has to shift that thing... For those that have actually driven the car, is the gearbox really that bad?[/QUOTE]
As mentioned elsewhere, the driver is most likely used to RHD drive. He probably has to concentrate a little more when shifting in a LHD.
Perfect example, I know quite a few people who would try to shift a RHD car with their right hand when they first started driving a RHD car. Nothing like trying to put your hand through the door.
| drf | 09-12-2006 03:16 AM |
Good point. Something I overlooked.
| bjorn240 | 09-12-2006 08:42 AM |
[QUOTE=drf;15212394]For those that have actually driven the car, is the gearbox really that bad?[/QUOTE]
No, it's a good box, with short throws and excellent feel.
- Christian
No, it's a good box, with short throws and excellent feel.
- Christian
| Student Driver | 09-12-2006 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster;15207921]TopGear track is very fast track!!!!! It would def be in the zo6's advantage. Z06's have almost no body roll which makes it extremly difficult to tell if the driver is pushing the limits. Now if the Z06 had racing tires the Subaru would have no chance.[/QUOTE]
Yes!!! I know it's a fast track!!! :p
And the Z06 is a fast car that lapped Tsukuba faster than the Subaru anyway. So, it's still a valid comparison. Maybe they should have been drifting around the track instead...
Yes!!! I know it's a fast track!!! :p
And the Z06 is a fast car that lapped Tsukuba faster than the Subaru anyway. So, it's still a valid comparison. Maybe they should have been drifting around the track instead...
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