| chairmandave | 08-01-2006 05:57 PM |
Is doping possible in motorsports?
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General question: are there 'performance enhancing' drugs that are applicable in motorsports? With all the controversy going on in track & field and cycling, it seems like motorsports is the least likely to have this problem. I can only think of amphetamines as being remotely advantageous in racing such as an endurance event like the 24 hour LeMans.
I googled 'doping motorsports' and only came up with the following:
Schumacher Rejects Outrageous 'Doping' Rumors
[url]http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=37226[/url]
F1's Schumacher brothers have dismissed outlandish rumours in the Magny Cours paddock that the pinnacle of motor sport - like the Tour de France cycling race - might also be riddled with doping use.
''It's not an issue in our sport,'' said Michael Schumacher, Ferrari's seven time champion, according to Auto Motor Und Sport magazine.
The outrageous rumours had implicated names including current title leader Fernando Alonso, but drivers are routinely checked and this year F1 was ramped-up to World Anti-Doping Agency standards.
Schumacher's younger brother Ralf also revealed: ''I have already been tested this year.''
I googled 'doping motorsports' and only came up with the following:
Schumacher Rejects Outrageous 'Doping' Rumors
[url]http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=37226[/url]
F1's Schumacher brothers have dismissed outlandish rumours in the Magny Cours paddock that the pinnacle of motor sport - like the Tour de France cycling race - might also be riddled with doping use.
''It's not an issue in our sport,'' said Michael Schumacher, Ferrari's seven time champion, according to Auto Motor Und Sport magazine.
The outrageous rumours had implicated names including current title leader Fernando Alonso, but drivers are routinely checked and this year F1 was ramped-up to World Anti-Doping Agency standards.
Schumacher's younger brother Ralf also revealed: ''I have already been tested this year.''
| black06wagon | 08-01-2006 05:58 PM |
i gotta think there's doping stuff you could do to stay alert, more hydrated, etc. still an endurance sport.
| wvallwheeldrive | 08-01-2006 06:11 PM |
sports car revolution did a test using reguler energy drinks to find out if drivers would benefit from them and over the course of 30 laps the times during his energy drink run where 4 to 5 tenths faster a lap. So it is possable.
| greg donovan | 08-01-2006 06:14 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive]sports car revolution did a test using reguler energy drinks to find out if drivers would benefit from them and over the course of 30 laps the times during his energy drink run where 4 to 5 tenths faster a lap. So it is possable.[/QUOTE]
if that is the case then colin should clean up at the x games.
followed closely by tanner, travis, and ken.
if that is the case then colin should clean up at the x games.
followed closely by tanner, travis, and ken.
| nate49509 | 08-01-2006 06:17 PM |
What about drugs that could in increase your focus? If there are such things.
I like to drop LSD before I auto-x. OMG! The cones are moving! :banana: :lol:
I like to drop LSD before I auto-x. OMG! The cones are moving! :banana: :lol:
| goto_racing | 08-01-2006 06:34 PM |
I would have to say this is entirely possible, and probably already going on to some extent. Almost every driver I know downs energy drinks during enduros. And any sport where people work out to improve, you will have that issue. Anything that combats dehydration, muscle fatigue, etc, should drop your laps times toward the end of a race.
During the 25 hour last year I was taking Advil pre-emptively to combat muscle spasms and soreness in my neck and shoulders, 1 before every stint. I guess that makes me a doper :)
Chris Lock
During the 25 hour last year I was taking Advil pre-emptively to combat muscle spasms and soreness in my neck and shoulders, 1 before every stint. I guess that makes me a doper :)
Chris Lock
| PossumK | 08-01-2006 06:46 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]What about drugs that could in increase your focus? If there are such things.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.focusfactor.com/FocusFactor/focusfactor.aspx[/url] ?
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:p
[url]http://www.focusfactor.com/FocusFactor/focusfactor.aspx[/url] ?
[IMG]http://www.northernlights.tv/images/equipment-thumbnails/As%20seen%20on%20TV-logo.jpg[/IMG]
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| mofugga | 08-01-2006 06:51 PM |
what is it with the french & doping? :huh:
last time i checked energy drinks aren't illegal unless you live in france :rolleyes: :lol:
last time i checked energy drinks aren't illegal unless you live in france :rolleyes: :lol:
| chairmandave | 08-01-2006 07:19 PM |
I looked on the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) site and found the 'prohibited list' (below). There isn't any proof, but gene doping can be the only explaination for Loeb's flawless driving- has anyone checked him an extra set of eyes or feet?
1. Anabolic agents: anabolic androgenic steroids or other anabolic agents.
2. Agents with anti-oestrogenic activity: Aromatase inhibitors reduce the amount of circulating oestrogen, whereas substances like tamoxifen block the actions of oestrogen in breast tissues by occupying the oestrogen receptors on cells. Agents with anti-oestrogenic activity may be illegally used to counteract undesirable side effects associated with anabolic steroid use, such as gynaecomastia (development of breast tissue). Side effects may include hot flushes, gastro-intestinal disorders, fluid retention and venous thrombosis.
3. Beta-2 agonists: commonly used to treat asthma, however if taken into the bloodstream, they may have anabolic effects.
4. Cannabinoids: psychoactive chemicals in the cannabis plant. Marijuana, hashish and hashish oil are all derived from the cannabis plant. The most active constituent in cannabis is tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
5. Glucocorticosteroids: powerful anti-inflammatory agents. They are used to treat chronic inflammatory conditions such as arthritis, asthma, inflamed joints and allergic reactions.
6. Diuretics and other masking agents: products that have the potential to impair the excretion of prohibited substances, to conceal their presence in urine or other samples used in doping control, or to increase haematological parameters.
7. Narcotics: commonly known as painkillers because they can mask the effects of pain. Narcotics may also produce sensations of euphoria, invincibility and illusions of athletic prowess beyond athletic ability.
8. Hormones and related substances: The following substances are prohibited, including their mimetics, analogues and releasing factors: Chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), Corticotrophins (ACTH, tetracosactide), Erythropoietin (EPO), Human growth hormone (hGH), Insulin, Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), Mechano growth factors (MGF), Pituitary and synthetic gonadotrophins (LH). Mimetics are substances with a pharmacological effect similar to that of another substance, regardless of the fact that it has a different chemical structure. Analogues are substances derived from the modification or alteration of the chemical structure of another substance while retaining a similar pharmacological effect.
9. Stimulants: Substances that act directly on the central nervous system to speed up parts of the brain and body. Stimulants can increase alertness, reduce tiredness and increase competitiveness and aggressiveness.
10. Enhancement of oxygen transfer: The following are prohibited: Blood doping, the use of products that enhance the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen. Side effects can vary significantly depending on the type of modified haemoglobin product used. Adverse effects may include hypertension, vasoconstriction, kidney damage and iron overload. Risks associated with the use of perflurochemicals can be extremely serious and include transient fever, reduction in the platelet count and potential for overloading the body�s immune system.
11. Gene doping: Defined as the non-therapeutic use of genes, genetic elements and/or cells that have the capacity to enhance athletic performance (e.g. a synthetic gene is transferred into human cells to manipulate or trigger a specific response within the body which will improve athletic performance).
Many gene technology experiments attempt to replace or alter missing, damaged or diseased genes in order to better treat patients with serious illness.
Side effects: The major risk with using gene therapies to illegally enhance performance is the, as yet, unknown side effects. Most gene transfer technologies are still in experimental phases; therefore the long-term effects of altering the body�s natural genetic makeup are completely unknown. Some early gene therapy trials have led to increased cancers in the recipients. While some experiments have successfully �turned on� specific genes to elicit a desired response in the body, there is no mechanism to �turn off� these genes.
12. Chemical and physical manipulation: Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation is the use of substances and methods, including masking agents, which alter, attempt to alter or may reasonably be expected to alter the integrity and validity of specimens collected in doping control.
1. Anabolic agents: anabolic androgenic steroids or other anabolic agents.
2. Agents with anti-oestrogenic activity: Aromatase inhibitors reduce the amount of circulating oestrogen, whereas substances like tamoxifen block the actions of oestrogen in breast tissues by occupying the oestrogen receptors on cells. Agents with anti-oestrogenic activity may be illegally used to counteract undesirable side effects associated with anabolic steroid use, such as gynaecomastia (development of breast tissue). Side effects may include hot flushes, gastro-intestinal disorders, fluid retention and venous thrombosis.
3. Beta-2 agonists: commonly used to treat asthma, however if taken into the bloodstream, they may have anabolic effects.
4. Cannabinoids: psychoactive chemicals in the cannabis plant. Marijuana, hashish and hashish oil are all derived from the cannabis plant. The most active constituent in cannabis is tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
5. Glucocorticosteroids: powerful anti-inflammatory agents. They are used to treat chronic inflammatory conditions such as arthritis, asthma, inflamed joints and allergic reactions.
6. Diuretics and other masking agents: products that have the potential to impair the excretion of prohibited substances, to conceal their presence in urine or other samples used in doping control, or to increase haematological parameters.
7. Narcotics: commonly known as painkillers because they can mask the effects of pain. Narcotics may also produce sensations of euphoria, invincibility and illusions of athletic prowess beyond athletic ability.
8. Hormones and related substances: The following substances are prohibited, including their mimetics, analogues and releasing factors: Chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), Corticotrophins (ACTH, tetracosactide), Erythropoietin (EPO), Human growth hormone (hGH), Insulin, Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), Mechano growth factors (MGF), Pituitary and synthetic gonadotrophins (LH). Mimetics are substances with a pharmacological effect similar to that of another substance, regardless of the fact that it has a different chemical structure. Analogues are substances derived from the modification or alteration of the chemical structure of another substance while retaining a similar pharmacological effect.
9. Stimulants: Substances that act directly on the central nervous system to speed up parts of the brain and body. Stimulants can increase alertness, reduce tiredness and increase competitiveness and aggressiveness.
10. Enhancement of oxygen transfer: The following are prohibited: Blood doping, the use of products that enhance the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen. Side effects can vary significantly depending on the type of modified haemoglobin product used. Adverse effects may include hypertension, vasoconstriction, kidney damage and iron overload. Risks associated with the use of perflurochemicals can be extremely serious and include transient fever, reduction in the platelet count and potential for overloading the body�s immune system.
11. Gene doping: Defined as the non-therapeutic use of genes, genetic elements and/or cells that have the capacity to enhance athletic performance (e.g. a synthetic gene is transferred into human cells to manipulate or trigger a specific response within the body which will improve athletic performance).
Many gene technology experiments attempt to replace or alter missing, damaged or diseased genes in order to better treat patients with serious illness.
Side effects: The major risk with using gene therapies to illegally enhance performance is the, as yet, unknown side effects. Most gene transfer technologies are still in experimental phases; therefore the long-term effects of altering the body�s natural genetic makeup are completely unknown. Some early gene therapy trials have led to increased cancers in the recipients. While some experiments have successfully �turned on� specific genes to elicit a desired response in the body, there is no mechanism to �turn off� these genes.
12. Chemical and physical manipulation: Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation is the use of substances and methods, including masking agents, which alter, attempt to alter or may reasonably be expected to alter the integrity and validity of specimens collected in doping control.
| pio!pio! | 08-01-2006 07:40 PM |
doping with octane booster in the gas tank?
| frostyTSM | 08-01-2006 07:42 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]OMG! The cones are moving! :banana: :lol:[/QUOTE]
Stop looking in your rear view mirror! :lol:
Stop looking in your rear view mirror! :lol:
| Tilt | 08-01-2006 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]What about drugs that could in increase your focus? If there are such things.
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Body builders use Spike for that extra boost at workouts. My roommate uses it also for track events. He says it helps with mental focus/clarity.
[url]http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=B839CB50221427D6E1C9E19502173C12.hydra?id=628912&pageNo=0[/url]
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Body builders use Spike for that extra boost at workouts. My roommate uses it also for track events. He says it helps with mental focus/clarity.
[url]http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=B839CB50221427D6E1C9E19502173C12.hydra?id=628912&pageNo=0[/url]
| flyboymike | 08-01-2006 09:46 PM |
So, does the "no stimulants" mean no caffeine, or are they looking for harder stuff only?
Working a car or bike at the limit at the highest levels of the sport takes endurance, but I would think the benefits of most of that stuff would be minimal compared to simply being well rested, well fed, and hydrated.
Working a car or bike at the limit at the highest levels of the sport takes endurance, but I would think the benefits of most of that stuff would be minimal compared to simply being well rested, well fed, and hydrated.
| chairmandave | 08-01-2006 10:21 PM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]So, does the "no stimulants" mean no caffeine, or are they looking for harder stuff only?[/QUOTE]
They do include caffeine in the 'no stimulants' category, but the amount banned is so high that the costs outweigh the advantages.
They do include caffeine in the 'no stimulants' category, but the amount banned is so high that the costs outweigh the advantages.
| silver arrow | 08-01-2006 11:24 PM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]During the 25 hour last year I was taking Advil pre-emptively to combat muscle spasms and soreness in my neck and shoulders, 1 before every stint. I guess that makes me a doper :)
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
No, just makes your liver enlarged :lol:
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
No, just makes your liver enlarged :lol:
| abaxter34 | 08-02-2006 01:07 AM |
[QUOTE=black06wagon]i gotta think there's doping stuff you could do to stay alert, more hydrated, etc. still an endurance sport.[/QUOTE]
Glycomax. as far as i know its legal under just about any sanctioning body. if you watch any professional racing sooner or later youll see the logo on a driver.
[url]http://www.glycomax.com[/url]
Glycomax. as far as i know its legal under just about any sanctioning body. if you watch any professional racing sooner or later youll see the logo on a driver.
[url]http://www.glycomax.com[/url]
| LyveWRX | 08-02-2006 12:33 PM |
The big problems with using any truly effective amphetamines (methaphetamine, 4-methly aminorex, methicathinone, etc...) in racing would be balancing the mirror on the steering wheel while doing a line.
| Skibum4444 | 08-02-2006 12:41 PM |
fighter pilots have been taking amphetamines forever. I think I'm gonna get a bunch of coke for the Packwood Prosolo, I'll tell you how it goes. I bet its like that Corkey Romano scene, any questions, questions.....btw this is a joke I only do opiates before I race.
| vlady | 08-02-2006 12:41 PM |
[QUOTE=LyveWRX]The big problems with using any truly effective amphetamines (methaphetamine, 4-methly aminorex, methicathinone, etc...) in racing would be balancing the mirror on the steering wheel while doing a line.[/QUOTE]
:lol: You could make a custom bracket that mounts the morror onto your helmet.
:lol: You could make a custom bracket that mounts the morror onto your helmet.
| spazegun2213 | 08-02-2006 12:43 PM |
[QUOTE=LyveWRX]The big problems with using any truly effective amphetamines (methaphetamine, 4-methly aminorex, methicathinone, etc...) in racing would be balancing the mirror on the steering wheel while doing a line.[/QUOTE]
I about fell out of my chiar reading that!!!!!!!
Doping is in just about every sport, but with some there is only so much that doping can do. Until they come out with something that will make people stay awake at 100% mental ability, i dont think racing will get much out of doping.
I about fell out of my chiar reading that!!!!!!!
Doping is in just about every sport, but with some there is only so much that doping can do. Until they come out with something that will make people stay awake at 100% mental ability, i dont think racing will get much out of doping.
| jlawrx | 08-02-2006 12:50 PM |
Maybe the pit crews use it, might explain why services in rallies are so quick.
| PKer | 08-02-2006 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]fighter pilots have been taking amphetamines forever. I think I'm gonna get a bunch of coke for the Packwood Prosolo, I'll tell you how it goes. I bet its like that Corkey Romano scene, any questions, questions.....btw this is a joke I only do opiates before I race.[/QUOTE]
Me too, I find that smack really helps me visualize, sometimes I doze off a little though. I'm going to have to stop shooting between my toes, it's starting to affect my left foot braking.
Me too, I find that smack really helps me visualize, sometimes I doze off a little though. I'm going to have to stop shooting between my toes, it's starting to affect my left foot braking.
| meebs | 08-02-2006 04:08 PM |
I thought I heard Varsha or someone a few races ago state that the FIA has infact banned Caffine? ?
| flyboymike | 08-02-2006 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=vlady]:lol: You could make a custom bracket that mounts the morror onto your helmet.[/QUOTE]
Or just make it a big party while setting up the course:
[IMG]http://www.b18c5.com/Graphics/line2.JPG[/IMG]
Or just make it a big party while setting up the course:
[IMG]http://www.b18c5.com/Graphics/line2.JPG[/IMG]
| cooleyjb | 08-02-2006 07:17 PM |
I dunno about anyone else but after watching Paul Tracy this weekend I think that doping is pretty rampant with some drivers in champ car.
| Smart_alek | 08-02-2006 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]I dunno about anyone else but after watching Paul Tracy this weekend I think that doping is pretty rampant with some drivers in champ car.[/QUOTE]
the doping sure has worked in Paul's favour for, well, his entire career, than.
the doping sure has worked in Paul's favour for, well, his entire career, than.
| CodeBlue | 08-02-2006 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]What about drugs that could in increase your focus? If there are such things.
I like to drop LSD before I auto-x. OMG! The cones are moving! :banana: :lol:[/QUOTE]
hahaha i was just thinking the same thing
"... imagine if somebody did acid on a rally, how messed up would THEY be driving"
I like to drop LSD before I auto-x. OMG! The cones are moving! :banana: :lol:[/QUOTE]
hahaha i was just thinking the same thing
"... imagine if somebody did acid on a rally, how messed up would THEY be driving"
| Arch Stanton | 08-02-2006 10:54 PM |
Apparently tequila makes you haul ass. Court reports are full of DWIs about double the speed limit.
Somebody should have an Oktoberfest Rally this year. Make it the world's greateast drinking game. It could be a handicap system with multiple runs, the guys with the fastest times have to drink the most, and the slo-pokes just drink a shot or two.
Better yet, just make the co-drivers drink. "AWWhh, a left, wait no, yeah, fargit, hang a louie, then floor it, we should be Ok. Dammit Janet, watch the bumps, I just spilled me toddy all over my crotch! Or did'I piss myself? Right, RIGHT I said!! Pull over here, I need s'more smokes..."
Somebody should have an Oktoberfest Rally this year. Make it the world's greateast drinking game. It could be a handicap system with multiple runs, the guys with the fastest times have to drink the most, and the slo-pokes just drink a shot or two.
Better yet, just make the co-drivers drink. "AWWhh, a left, wait no, yeah, fargit, hang a louie, then floor it, we should be Ok. Dammit Janet, watch the bumps, I just spilled me toddy all over my crotch! Or did'I piss myself? Right, RIGHT I said!! Pull over here, I need s'more smokes..."
| flyboymike | 08-02-2006 11:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Arch Stanton]Better yet, just make the co-drivers drink. "AWWhh, a left, wait no, yeah, fargit, hang a louie, then floor it, we should be Ok. Dammit Janet, watch the bumps, I just spilled me toddy all over my crotch! Or did'I piss myself? Right, RIGHT I said!! Pull over here, I need s'more smokes..."[/QUOTE]
Now that's funny. BTW, is the Arch Stanton name a reference to "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly"?
Now that's funny. BTW, is the Arch Stanton name a reference to "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly"?
| Arch Stanton | 08-02-2006 11:11 PM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Now that's funny. BTW, is the Arch Stanton name a reference to "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly"?[/QUOTE]
Of course, the man where all the money ain't.
Of course, the man where all the money ain't.
| robp | 08-03-2006 01:03 PM |
[url]http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/1104387184.html?PHPSESSID=969e4de3950ebdea21d01e2e13b183e2[/url]
"The use of cocaine is widespread among Formula One drivers, a former Ferrari team doctor has claimed.
Although random FIA tests have never returned a positive result, Benigno Bartoletti said in Rome that 'as many as one third' of the current field take the drug as a stimulant prior to grands prix."
"The use of cocaine is widespread among Formula One drivers, a former Ferrari team doctor has claimed.
Although random FIA tests have never returned a positive result, Benigno Bartoletti said in Rome that 'as many as one third' of the current field take the drug as a stimulant prior to grands prix."
| LyveWRX | 08-03-2006 10:56 PM |
rob- I dont know how ludington is, but I do belive that cocaine use is pretty much widespread in all the major cities.
| robp | 08-04-2006 11:02 AM |
From what I saw of Rome drivers, as many as half use it as a stimulant prior to their commutes.
| PKer | 08-04-2006 01:12 PM |
I still want a beer-solo. You sit at the tree and when the light turns green, you have to down your beer before you actually can leave the line. Man that would be fun (for about four runs).
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