| wewu | 01-12-2004 10:29 PM |
Schroth harness subaru fitiment?????
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I just found some killer closeouts on some schroth harnesses and was wondering whether they are vehicle specific?? I particular I was looking at the Schroth Rallye 4, so will it work in my STi?? Ne info you could give me would be great.
[url]http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store.php?m=13&sub=1429&method=cat&thisPage=1#1514[/url]
[url]http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store.php?m=13&sub=1429&method=cat&thisPage=1#1514[/url]
| STipoweredWRC | 01-12-2004 10:37 PM |
[URL=http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/495071]STi[/URL]
I have a ralleye 4 in my car and it works great. If you are interested it is the last pic in the above link. Several people on the STi forums have Schroth belts installed.
I have a ralleye 4 in my car and it works great. If you are interested it is the last pic in the above link. Several people on the STi forums have Schroth belts installed.
| wewu | 01-12-2004 11:03 PM |
Another thing I'm worried about is that it says they are the discontinued versions. Will this affect safety when put in my car?
| Patrick Olsen | 01-13-2004 03:07 AM |
$40!!! :eek: Man, I just ordered some at the "normal" price last week, they're on a UPS truck (or plane) somewhere. :(
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| afpdl | 01-13-2004 03:44 AM |
Damn thats a good price. I may get a passenger belt just for the hell of it. :huh: I have a rallye 3 in my sti right now, use it for autox, works fine.
| sdecker | 01-13-2004 07:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl [/i]
[B]Damn thats a good price.[/B][/QUOTE]
I paid 150 bucks each for my set of Rallye 4's!!!
[url]http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html[/url]
So jump on these quick if you want to save big bucks. Unbelievable pricing...
[B]Damn thats a good price.[/B][/QUOTE]
I paid 150 bucks each for my set of Rallye 4's!!!
[url]http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html[/url]
So jump on these quick if you want to save big bucks. Unbelievable pricing...
| Davenow | 01-13-2004 07:33 AM |
I have already called in to work today. I will be at HMS at about 9:15 or so picking up my passenger side Rallye 4, and possibly a couple extra sets for Ebay:D HMS is all of 20 min from me:D :D :D
| RallyDriver | 01-13-2004 07:47 AM |
Not Approved - stay away !!!
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come on! some of you spent $30K for a car and now you wanna install so dangerous garbage because it's $40. (btw they 2" wide
| sdecker | 01-13-2004 08:24 AM |
Thanks, troll. :rolleyes:
*unsubscribes to thread*
*unsubscribes to thread*
| Davenow | 01-13-2004 09:07 AM |
Re: Not Approved - stay away !!!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RallyDriver [/i]
[B]come on! some of you spent $30K for a car and now you wanna install so dangerous garbage because it's $40. (btw they 2" wide [/B][/QUOTE]
Schroth is VERY well known and VERY high quality. These are $150 harnesses , they are just on closeout. Why they are selling them for 40 is beyond me but who cares.
These are perfect for autocross/rallycross/light track day use.
[B]come on! some of you spent $30K for a car and now you wanna install so dangerous garbage because it's $40. (btw they 2" wide [/B][/QUOTE]
Schroth is VERY well known and VERY high quality. These are $150 harnesses , they are just on closeout. Why they are selling them for 40 is beyond me but who cares.
These are perfect for autocross/rallycross/light track day use.
| Uber Wagon | 01-13-2004 11:59 AM |
Check it:
[url]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2214&start=15[/url]
[url]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2214&start=15[/url]
| bemani | 01-13-2004 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Davenow [/i]
[B]I have already called in to work today. I will be at HMS at about 9:15 or so picking up my passenger side Rallye 4, and possibly a couple extra sets for Ebay:D HMS is all of 20 min from me:D :D :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Please let us know if they're in some crappy faded out condition with rat crap on the box and stuff :D
I need a passenger side harness :banana:
[B]I have already called in to work today. I will be at HMS at about 9:15 or so picking up my passenger side Rallye 4, and possibly a couple extra sets for Ebay:D HMS is all of 20 min from me:D :D :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Please let us know if they're in some crappy faded out condition with rat crap on the box and stuff :D
I need a passenger side harness :banana:
| generator | 01-13-2004 01:17 PM |
That is an AMAZING deal!! I have the Ralleyue 4 in my 02 WRX and love them! Highest quality harness I have found yet...
| kidatari | 01-14-2004 11:48 AM |
Unfortunately they sold out of driver side discount harnesses yesterday, hrmph. Oh well.
| MK19 | 01-14-2004 09:01 PM |
I have a pair of Rallye 4's in my 2002 GGB... fit and work great :)
| Kostamojen | 01-15-2004 09:33 PM |
DAMN IT!!! I should have looked at this thread when I saw it the first time, I would have ordered some :( Oh well...
| cgroppi | 01-20-2004 03:22 PM |
They still have driver's side autocontrol harnesses in pink, purple and mint green. They only cost $10 more than the Rallye 3 and 4. I just ordered one yesterday for my STi. The adapter to mount the retractor away from the mounting bolt was $12 and the switch to lock the retractor was $6, so it's still a pretty damn good deal at $80 including shipping.
The autocontrol comes with a retractor that allows torso movement. A G sensor automatically locks the retractor if it senses 0.5G or more accelleration. It needs +12V for the retractor to operate. The switch allows you to cut the power, which causes the retractor to lock on command. If you just install it without wiring, it will be locked all the time. I'm going to run 12V from the stereo to the center console, and mount the g sensor and switch there, then run wire back to the retractor mounted at the C-pillar as recommended by HMS.
The autocontrol comes with a retractor that allows torso movement. A G sensor automatically locks the retractor if it senses 0.5G or more accelleration. It needs +12V for the retractor to operate. The switch allows you to cut the power, which causes the retractor to lock on command. If you just install it without wiring, it will be locked all the time. I'm going to run 12V from the stereo to the center console, and mount the g sensor and switch there, then run wire back to the retractor mounted at the C-pillar as recommended by HMS.
| sdecker | 01-21-2004 07:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cgroppi[/i]
[B] They still have driver's side autocontrol harnesses in pink, purple and mint green.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ewwww...pink *maybe* if it was STI pink.
What color did you go with? Schroth is good stuff. :D
[B] They still have driver's side autocontrol harnesses in pink, purple and mint green.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ewwww...pink *maybe* if it was STI pink.
What color did you go with? Schroth is good stuff. :D
| cgroppi | 01-21-2004 01:43 PM |
I got purple. The Schroth purple will match the blue of the STi OK, although I would have preferred blue or black. The pink is not STi pink. The STi color is really magenta, and the Schroth pink is bubble gum colored. But sill better than mint green. Blech.
| Treefallen | 01-21-2004 03:47 PM |
Great deal, thanks for the tip!I ordered right side harness (for instructors) and now I can wear my harness when an instructor is with me... Only problem is that my driver's harness is a red Sabelt 4 point...not safe cause I am exposed to submarining. Does the autocontrol come with asm? Is it as good as the Rallye 4?
| bemani | 01-21-2004 11:53 PM |
Just installed the passenger side rallye 4. I'm relieved that the color ISN'T faded (matches my driver harness) and everything (including box) is in nice condition.
| cgroppi | 01-22-2004 03:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Treefallen [/i]
[B]Great deal, thanks for the tip!I ordered right side harness (for instructors) and now I can wear my harness when an instructor is with me... Only problem is that my driver's harness is a red Sabelt 4 point...not safe cause I am exposed to submarining. Does the autocontrol come with asm? Is it as good as the Rallye 4? [/B][/QUOTE]
The autocontrol does come with ASM. It is identical to the Rallye 3 except for the addition of the retractor and the G sensor system.
[B]Great deal, thanks for the tip!I ordered right side harness (for instructors) and now I can wear my harness when an instructor is with me... Only problem is that my driver's harness is a red Sabelt 4 point...not safe cause I am exposed to submarining. Does the autocontrol come with asm? Is it as good as the Rallye 4? [/B][/QUOTE]
The autocontrol does come with ASM. It is identical to the Rallye 3 except for the addition of the retractor and the G sensor system.
| Sergeant_V | 01-24-2004 07:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]Please let us know if they're in some crappy faded out condition with rat crap on the box and stuff :D
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Finished installing my driver's side harness today using [URL=http://members.cox.net/whtwrx/wrx/rallye4/schroth.html]WHTWRX's Rally4 install instructions.[/URL] The set I received wasn't faded out, damaged or otherwise in bad shape. The passenger side will go in next weekend.
[B]Please let us know if they're in some crappy faded out condition with rat crap on the box and stuff :D
[/B][/QUOTE]
Finished installing my driver's side harness today using [URL=http://members.cox.net/whtwrx/wrx/rallye4/schroth.html]WHTWRX's Rally4 install instructions.[/URL] The set I received wasn't faded out, damaged or otherwise in bad shape. The passenger side will go in next weekend.
| cgroppi | 02-01-2004 11:57 PM |
A couple notes on the autocontrol harness in the 2004 WRX that will save you some time:
1. The rear "C" mounting point (driver's side rear shoulder) is NOT electrically grounded. You have to attach the autocontrol grounding wire to something else. I used the bolt attaching the retractor for the driver's side rear.
2. On the STi , you can cut a space into the trim plate next to the DCCD manual switch to mount the autocontrol switch. The trim plate is made of a rubbery material that can be easily cut with a utility or X-acto knife.
I ran the +12V power from the cigarette lighter through the center console to the trim plate mounted next to the DCCD switch. I mounted the G sensor in the center console on the face of the cargo bin between the front seats. I ran the wiring under the center tunnel carpet, rear seat bottom and rear seat back up to the autocontrol retractor at the driver's side rear. It ended up looking pretty professional, and was pretty easy except for the pain in the ass of not knowing the rear seatbelt mounting point wasn't grounded. I also cracked the trim plate for the seat back recliner by the inboard belt mounting point, but that was because I was too lazy to remove the seat.
1. The rear "C" mounting point (driver's side rear shoulder) is NOT electrically grounded. You have to attach the autocontrol grounding wire to something else. I used the bolt attaching the retractor for the driver's side rear.
2. On the STi , you can cut a space into the trim plate next to the DCCD manual switch to mount the autocontrol switch. The trim plate is made of a rubbery material that can be easily cut with a utility or X-acto knife.
I ran the +12V power from the cigarette lighter through the center console to the trim plate mounted next to the DCCD switch. I mounted the G sensor in the center console on the face of the cargo bin between the front seats. I ran the wiring under the center tunnel carpet, rear seat bottom and rear seat back up to the autocontrol retractor at the driver's side rear. It ended up looking pretty professional, and was pretty easy except for the pain in the ass of not knowing the rear seatbelt mounting point wasn't grounded. I also cracked the trim plate for the seat back recliner by the inboard belt mounting point, but that was because I was too lazy to remove the seat.
| JohnW | 02-09-2004 12:47 AM |
I just installed the autocontrol harness in a 2002 WRX Wagon. I decided to use the D point which is behind the back seat because it seems too dangerous to use the C point since it seems the retractor could hit the rear passenger in the head when not used.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cgroppi[/i]
[B] A couple notes on the autocontrol harness in the 2004 WRX that will save you some time:
1. The rear "C" mounting point (driver's side rear shoulder) is NOT electrically grounded. You have to attach the autocontrol grounding wire to something else. I used the bolt attaching the retractor for the driver's side rear.
2. On the STi , you can cut a space into the trim plate next to the DCCD manual switch to mount the autocontrol switch. The trim plate is made of a rubbery material that can be easily cut with a utility or X-acto knife.
I ran the +12V power from the cigarette lighter through the center console to the trim plate mounted next to the DCCD switch. I mounted the G sensor in the center console on the face of the cargo bin between the front seats. I ran the wiring under the center tunnel carpet, rear seat bottom and rear seat back up to the autocontrol retractor at the driver's side rear. It ended up looking pretty professional, and was pretty easy except for the pain in the ass of not knowing the rear seatbelt mounting point wasn't grounded. I also cracked the trim plate for the seat back recliner by the inboard belt mounting point, but that was because I was too lazy to remove the seat. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cgroppi[/i]
[B] A couple notes on the autocontrol harness in the 2004 WRX that will save you some time:
1. The rear "C" mounting point (driver's side rear shoulder) is NOT electrically grounded. You have to attach the autocontrol grounding wire to something else. I used the bolt attaching the retractor for the driver's side rear.
2. On the STi , you can cut a space into the trim plate next to the DCCD manual switch to mount the autocontrol switch. The trim plate is made of a rubbery material that can be easily cut with a utility or X-acto knife.
I ran the +12V power from the cigarette lighter through the center console to the trim plate mounted next to the DCCD switch. I mounted the G sensor in the center console on the face of the cargo bin between the front seats. I ran the wiring under the center tunnel carpet, rear seat bottom and rear seat back up to the autocontrol retractor at the driver's side rear. It ended up looking pretty professional, and was pretty easy except for the pain in the ass of not knowing the rear seatbelt mounting point wasn't grounded. I also cracked the trim plate for the seat back recliner by the inboard belt mounting point, but that was because I was too lazy to remove the seat. [/B][/QUOTE]
| defduane | 02-09-2004 02:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JohnW[/i]
[B] I just installed the autocontrol harness in a 2002 WRX Wagon. I decided to use the D point which is behind the back seat because it seems too dangerous to use the C point since it seems the retractor could hit the rear passenger in the head when not used. [/B][/QUOTE]
Can you explain in more detail which mounting point you used?
D point is supposed to be the rear center lap belt which is not behind the seat. Are you referring to the mounting point on the "D pillar" (rearmost pillar in the wagon) which is only on the passenger side (used for the center seat shoulder belt)?
[B] I just installed the autocontrol harness in a 2002 WRX Wagon. I decided to use the D point which is behind the back seat because it seems too dangerous to use the C point since it seems the retractor could hit the rear passenger in the head when not used. [/B][/QUOTE]
Can you explain in more detail which mounting point you used?
D point is supposed to be the rear center lap belt which is not behind the seat. Are you referring to the mounting point on the "D pillar" (rearmost pillar in the wagon) which is only on the passenger side (used for the center seat shoulder belt)?
| cgroppi | 02-09-2004 03:02 PM |
The people at HMS motorsports told me to NOT use the D mounting point on the impreza. In a crash, the D mounting point will cause a lot of stress on the front seatback because the shoulder strap will be partially angled down. This could cause the seat to collapse, which will also cause your back to collapse. Schroth and HMS say that you should only use the D mounting point with seats that have been tested to make sure they're strong enough. Maybe the impreza seats are fine, but I didn't want to take the chance.
| dbenz | 03-13-2004 10:42 PM |
A thought on Rallye 3 or 4 left/driver seat options.
Since they still have Autocontrol lefts, unless I am mistaken, you can change to either the Rallye 3 or Rallye 4 tails and throw away the autocontrol tails since they have the same release buckles at the top of the seat.
They have some color tails at the bottom of the discontinued page, or the rest in the not discontinued section.
Disclaimer: I have not personally tried this or verified tail compatibility, so do so at your own risk.
Since they still have Autocontrol lefts, unless I am mistaken, you can change to either the Rallye 3 or Rallye 4 tails and throw away the autocontrol tails since they have the same release buckles at the top of the seat.
They have some color tails at the bottom of the discontinued page, or the rest in the not discontinued section.
Disclaimer: I have not personally tried this or verified tail compatibility, so do so at your own risk.
| abaxter34 | 03-14-2004 01:32 AM |
what are some of your opinions on the ralley cross belts? it looks like the ones they are selling bolt into the rear seat lap belts. id use these mostly for autox and maybe occasionally on the street. would they be safe to use without a harness bar due to the low mounting point behind the driver?
edit: nevermind, just looked at schroths aplication guide, they wont work
edit: nevermind, just looked at schroths aplication guide, they wont work
| JohnW | 03-15-2004 01:29 AM |
Sorry for the delay. I used the seat buckle bolt which is between the seat and the seat back. I understand that this is not the recommend mounting point. However, the Autocontrol has a large retractor which is too dangerous in my opinion to mount nera the shoulder area because it could easily hit someone in the head.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by defduane[/i]
[B] Can you explain in more detail which mounting point you used?
D point is supposed to be the rear center lap belt which is not behind the seat. Are you referring to the mounting point on the "D pillar" (rearmost pillar in the wagon) which is only on the passenger side (used for the center seat shoulder belt)? [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by defduane[/i]
[B] Can you explain in more detail which mounting point you used?
D point is supposed to be the rear center lap belt which is not behind the seat. Are you referring to the mounting point on the "D pillar" (rearmost pillar in the wagon) which is only on the passenger side (used for the center seat shoulder belt)? [/B][/QUOTE]
| DetroitWRX | 03-16-2004 11:13 PM |
I bought the Autocontrols also in STi Pink and I was thinking about mounting them by the hatch. I was going to see the size of bolt and the strength of the bolt at the child safety seat anchor (not actually use the anchor). If it's inadequate I was going to weld a proper tab to the hatch sill. Then I was going to mount the autocontrol units in the jack well. The whole system would be some what removable. I know some people are going to flip out just cuz I said child safety seat anchors but I think it will be the safest the belts are long enough. If you look on WRC cars they run them all the way to the back also I think this would be a cool way of doing it. Have yet to do anything yet cuz of the snow and cold.
| Riight112 | 03-23-2004 08:40 PM |
that is a GREAT price for them!!! one thing that does come to mind is, why are they being discontinued? is it simply because they came out with a newer design? or was there something bad/wrong with that particular model??? thanks!
| dbenz | 03-23-2004 09:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Riight112 [/i]
[B]that is a GREAT price for them!!! one thing that does come to mind is, why are they being discontinued? is it simply because they came out with a newer design? or was there something bad/wrong with that particular model??? thanks! [/B][/QUOTE] I have one of them right in front of me, and one of the newer ones out in my car. There are two minor changes I can tell. The older buckle has a front push button release vs. the button being on the end where the tab plugs in on the newer one. The newer one also has some of the stiffer backing material under the buckle that extends out and under tha tab side, probably making it a little easier to insert the tab and not pinch your shirt in it.
[B]that is a GREAT price for them!!! one thing that does come to mind is, why are they being discontinued? is it simply because they came out with a newer design? or was there something bad/wrong with that particular model??? thanks! [/B][/QUOTE] I have one of them right in front of me, and one of the newer ones out in my car. There are two minor changes I can tell. The older buckle has a front push button release vs. the button being on the end where the tab plugs in on the newer one. The newer one also has some of the stiffer backing material under the buckle that extends out and under tha tab side, probably making it a little easier to insert the tab and not pinch your shirt in it.
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