| deuce.five | 05-19-2005 10:37 PM |
lightweight battery, suggestions?
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I want to get a lightweight battery for my RS. I've heard of the Braille one, any better ones out there?
Also, what are your thought on relocating it to the RIGHT front?
Thanks for your help.
Also, what are your thought on relocating it to the RIGHT front?
Thanks for your help.
| Uncle Scotty | 05-19-2005 10:57 PM |
How about a Hawker Odyssey PC680 under the passengers seat.... :D
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/IMG]
| V6TurboTA | 05-19-2005 11:10 PM |
That sure looks like a PC680MJ to me ;)
~v6
~v6
| adhowe70 | 05-20-2005 01:14 AM |
Scotty, it can't be in the passenger compartment, so under the passenger seat is out.
I suggested it, so I'll chime in as to why the RF... Driver is left side weight, battery could easily be right side weight without a huge extension of the cables. In the trunk (also legal) would require 20 pounds of wiring, but that is a more optimum placement.
Andy H.
I suggested it, so I'll chime in as to why the RF... Driver is left side weight, battery could easily be right side weight without a huge extension of the cables. In the trunk (also legal) would require 20 pounds of wiring, but that is a more optimum placement.
Andy H.
| 8Complex | 05-20-2005 01:27 AM |
All of those little batteries are all the same (literally, rebadged). I have that same Hawker Odyssey in my Corolla and it works pretty good (though I have no accessories and a 2mhz computer driving everything).
| PhilC | 05-20-2005 09:06 AM |
We use an Oddysey 680 in the stock location. You don't need the extra couple of pounds the MJ version has IMO. With a little bit of chasing the wire looms back you can get enough slack to lay the battery flat on it's side in the stock location. Worked fine in a daily driver, if you don't drive daily you might want to invest in one of those jump-start pack things. We took it out for the winter and went back to the stock battery, kept the stock on a battery tender all summer and the 680 on it all winter.
| crystalhelix | 05-20-2005 09:12 AM |
imho... the braille battery is the best. There are a lot of resourse to read regarding CCAs and all around use. As with all batteries even the lightweight batteries are suceptable to high-heat areas. I just got my braille yesterday.
Justin
Justin
| omahasubaru | 05-20-2005 09:12 AM |
Yeah Hawker Oddysey, no MJ, in stock location laying flat.
Definetly the best choice out there.
Although some of the 'spec civics' in STS run the non-Oddysey line of even lighter batteries and just keep their car on a 'battery tender', but that's insane IMHO, but it is sometimes whats needed to win.
Definetly the best choice out there.
Although some of the 'spec civics' in STS run the non-Oddysey line of even lighter batteries and just keep their car on a 'battery tender', but that's insane IMHO, but it is sometimes whats needed to win.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-20-2005 10:50 AM |
[QUOTE=omahasubaru]Yeah Hawker Oddysey, no MJ, in stock location laying flat.
Definetly the best choice out there.
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I've had mine in for two summers in Houston with no problems, definitely good stuff. The Hawker bettery has specs (CCA, HCA, etc.) greater than the stocker that came with the car.
Definetly the best choice out there.
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I've had mine in for two summers in Houston with no problems, definitely good stuff. The Hawker bettery has specs (CCA, HCA, etc.) greater than the stocker that came with the car.
| speedyHAM | 05-20-2005 11:30 AM |
Even with the 20+ pounds of wire to put it into the trunk it would help a lot with the balance of the car. If you've ever corner weighted an Impreza you see the front left is much heavier than the front right and the rear right is lighter than the rear left (with the driver in the car). Moving the battery to the trunk will weigh more, but the weight distribution to the tires will be much improved. Ever wonder why BMW's have the battery in the trunk? Also- you can get away with less than 15 pounds of additional wiring if it's done well.
| zoomfactor | 05-20-2005 11:39 AM |
I've also got the Hawker Odyssey (PC680). Its been in my car for over 18 months without any problems. I live in So. FL and I do not have the battery heat-shielded - No problems.
When I purchased it with the screw-in terminals total cost was <$60 with shipping. I don't know how much better a Braille could be for more than twice the price.
When I purchased it with the screw-in terminals total cost was <$60 with shipping. I don't know how much better a Braille could be for more than twice the price.
| HoRo1 | 05-20-2005 04:02 PM |
I have a PC680 here in hot SoCal, and despite having the battery drained when I went on vacation for 2 weeks, have had no trouble. The battery is in the stock location.
How many people spend extra cash on a lightweight battery and then make sure that their windshield fluid is always topped up?
How many people spend extra cash on a lightweight battery and then make sure that their windshield fluid is always topped up?
| lukerussell | 05-20-2005 05:34 PM |
[url]www.brailleauto.com[/url] all the way. not only are they great batteries, but suby supporters. i used a 7.5lb version for the One Lap of America w/ no problems. i'd bump up to the 11.5 lb for a daily driver. i know Blake the owner has had one in his STi for 2 years w/ no problems, my friend also has one in his RSX daily driver w/ no probs.
luke
luke
| 8Complex | 05-20-2005 05:52 PM |
Don't bother with a Braille, I don't know how much I can stress this. The Braille are hardcore overpriced and die even more quickly than their Hawker equals. Case in point, my Hawker in my Corolla versus my friend's Braille in his WRX. Both got about the same use over the winter, but his battery barely holds a charge even when disconnected.
| V6TurboTA | 05-20-2005 06:07 PM |
So there is no need for the MJ version huh? Thats good.
I heard otherwise from one person, but that doesnt mean all too much.
Do any of you guys know how much lighter the non MJ version is?
BTW you guys really thing that braille is worth $175?
Is it THAT much better than the oddysey? (thats $60 or so)
Or is it another case of "I know subaru guys are buying it so ill jack the price up 3 fold"? :lol:
~v6
I heard otherwise from one person, but that doesnt mean all too much.
Do any of you guys know how much lighter the non MJ version is?
BTW you guys really thing that braille is worth $175?
Is it THAT much better than the oddysey? (thats $60 or so)
Or is it another case of "I know subaru guys are buying it so ill jack the price up 3 fold"? :lol:
~v6
| zoomfactor | 05-20-2005 06:39 PM |
Most of the small, lightweight dry cell batteries have "issues" with lack of use. If you read the fine print on the Hawker, you will see that they don't tolerate parasitic power drain for too long -- even low amperage trickle-stuff. So they need to be disconected if not used and placed on a conditioner. I would imagine that the Braille is similar.
Determining what's "worth it" is up to you...I'm one of the stupid guys who has $600 13# rims. I have to save $$ somewhere -- For the price, I could not be happier with my 11 pound+ PC680.
Determining what's "worth it" is up to you...I'm one of the stupid guys who has $600 13# rims. I have to save $$ somewhere -- For the price, I could not be happier with my 11 pound+ PC680.
| deuce.five | 05-20-2005 06:56 PM |
Good info, thanks guys. Where to get the Hawker Odyessey batts at?
| V6TurboTA | 05-20-2005 06:59 PM |
Ebay
~v6
~v6
| bemani | 05-20-2005 07:21 PM |
How about just use the battery to start the car, then remove it? You just need to make sure the + wire won't hit anything in the engine bay.
(since this is the motorsports forum, I'm not suggesting this for street use ;P)
(since this is the motorsports forum, I'm not suggesting this for street use ;P)
| adhowe70 | 05-20-2005 07:44 PM |
No dice on no battery. The battery is needed to complete the circuit. You'd need some fancy wiring at the alternator to get current to flow without a battery.
| 8Complex | 05-20-2005 10:51 PM |
[QUOTE=V6TurboTA]Ebay
~v6[/QUOTE]
Tis where I got mine.. like $76 shipped with the proper terminals.
~v6[/QUOTE]
Tis where I got mine.. like $76 shipped with the proper terminals.
| V6TurboTA | 05-20-2005 10:52 PM |
yup, make sure you get it with the automotive terminals included.
You will find it without them for less, and will have to buy them seperately.
good call
~v6
You will find it without them for less, and will have to buy them seperately.
good call
~v6
| 5spdfrk | 05-20-2005 10:59 PM |
$74 after shipping
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551099708&category=34284&sspagename=WDVW[/url]
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551099708&category=34284&sspagename=WDVW[/url]
| 8Complex | 05-21-2005 12:23 AM |
[QUOTE=5spdfrk]$74 after shipping
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551099708&category=34284&sspagename=WDVW[/url][/QUOTE]
I got mine from that same guy, good service. That auction doesn't have auto terminals, though (perhaps I remembered my price wrong). You can email him and ask that he sells a non-MJ unit without terminals... maybe even sell it direct.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551099708&category=34284&sspagename=WDVW[/url][/QUOTE]
I got mine from that same guy, good service. That auction doesn't have auto terminals, though (perhaps I remembered my price wrong). You can email him and ask that he sells a non-MJ unit without terminals... maybe even sell it direct.
| 5spdfrk | 05-21-2005 10:34 PM |
Yeh, none of the auctions I found had any terminals. I'm sure they would probably add them for a little increase in cost.
| 8Complex | 05-22-2005 02:35 AM |
Not even an increase in cost, really. Take a look at this auction of his that is over, and I bet he'll match that.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7974876627&category=6763&sspagename=WDVW[/url]
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7974876627&category=6763&sspagename=WDVW[/url]
| 5spdfrk | 05-22-2005 01:44 PM |
nah, 8 bucks isn't too bad.
| InfamousDX | 05-22-2005 02:02 PM |
Braille was junk... couldn't withstand an NJ winter.. oh well.
| TheWRX | 05-23-2005 08:20 AM |
My Hawker never made it through a MO winter yet. As soon as it gets really cold for a few days (clearly below freezing), it doesn't start the car anymore in the morning, and I need to swap in a full size battery.
| zoomfactor | 05-23-2005 10:36 AM |
Reto - nice car in the sig;)
| crystalhelix | 05-23-2005 09:26 PM |
I am liking my braille so far.
| Uncle Scotty | 05-23-2005 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]My Hawker never made it through a MO winter yet. As soon as it gets really cold for a few days (clearly below freezing), it doesn't start the car anymore in the morning, and I need to swap in a full size battery.[/QUOTE]
...I guess that unless you are an ice racer, that isn't a motorsport's issue ;)
...my PC680 MJ has been in daily service since SEP03 without issue....in Florida ;) ;)
...and they carry a 3 year automotive use guarantee, too ;) ;) ;)
...I guess that unless you are an ice racer, that isn't a motorsport's issue ;)
...my PC680 MJ has been in daily service since SEP03 without issue....in Florida ;) ;)
...and they carry a 3 year automotive use guarantee, too ;) ;) ;)
| WRX_Mundi | 05-24-2005 12:36 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]...I guess that unless you are an ice racer, that isn't a motorsport's issue ;)[/quote]Unless you live in places that actually get cold, unlike Florida... If you're serious you'd probably trailer the car to the events anyway, so it's just a money issue then. :)
Seriously though, my Braille has worked well for me in southern Idaho. We don't get [i]nearly[/i] as cold as places like upstate New York, but we do get plenty of sub-freezing days in a row (along with plenty of terribly hot days). No problems starting the car except in two conditions. First, I can't leave the car sitting for more than a week without drain on the battery (I have an aftermarket stereo though, which may do funny things). I use a charger if it hasn't been driven in a week. Second, anyone you leave the car with, like a shop or car wash, or whatever, must be told that they can't leave the ignition on. Then you whack them with something to get their attention and repeat it. Then be prepared for them to come back and tell you the car won't start because they just left the stereo on and the A/C running for dude, just like 5 minutes! People [i]really[/i] don't seem to have a clue about this.
It starts the car just fine, including many repeated cycles at autocrosses. But it has [u]no[/u] reserve for running crud while the car isn't running, and that will drain the battery licketty split. For my purposes I'm very happy with the 22 pounds it took off the front left. Now if I could just find the 160 pounds my car is overweight for my class by I'd be really happy. The stereo isn't [i]that[/i] heavy!
Seriously though, my Braille has worked well for me in southern Idaho. We don't get [i]nearly[/i] as cold as places like upstate New York, but we do get plenty of sub-freezing days in a row (along with plenty of terribly hot days). No problems starting the car except in two conditions. First, I can't leave the car sitting for more than a week without drain on the battery (I have an aftermarket stereo though, which may do funny things). I use a charger if it hasn't been driven in a week. Second, anyone you leave the car with, like a shop or car wash, or whatever, must be told that they can't leave the ignition on. Then you whack them with something to get their attention and repeat it. Then be prepared for them to come back and tell you the car won't start because they just left the stereo on and the A/C running for dude, just like 5 minutes! People [i]really[/i] don't seem to have a clue about this.
It starts the car just fine, including many repeated cycles at autocrosses. But it has [u]no[/u] reserve for running crud while the car isn't running, and that will drain the battery licketty split. For my purposes I'm very happy with the 22 pounds it took off the front left. Now if I could just find the 160 pounds my car is overweight for my class by I'd be really happy. The stereo isn't [i]that[/i] heavy!
| AWDrifter21 | 05-24-2005 12:47 AM |
[QUOTE=InfamousDX]Braille was junk... couldn't withstand an NJ winter.. oh well.[/QUOTE]
what do you recommend then?
Im looking for a lightweight and smaller battery.
what do you recommend then?
Im looking for a lightweight and smaller battery.
| WRX_Mundi | 05-24-2005 12:56 AM |
Here is a little chart I made in 2004 when trying to decide what to buy:
Braille.......15Ah...11.5 lb...360 CCA...585 HCA...5.8x3.3x5.9
G13EP......13Ah...10.8 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...6.9x3.3x5.1
G16EP......16Ah...13.5 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...7.2x3.0x6.7
PC680......16Ah...15.0 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...7.3x3.1x6.7
PC545......12Ah...12.6 lb...235 CCA...360 HCA...7.0x3.4x5.2
stock.......48Ah...32+ lb....356 CCA...lots HCA...big
CCA/HCA numbers are pretty arguable between manufacturers. I got the Braille on a group buy in 2004 for $115 including shipping. I wouldn't pay $175 for it! The other ones are much cheaper and save just about as much weight.
Braille.......15Ah...11.5 lb...360 CCA...585 HCA...5.8x3.3x5.9
G13EP......13Ah...10.8 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...6.9x3.3x5.1
G16EP......16Ah...13.5 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...7.2x3.0x6.7
PC680......16Ah...15.0 lb...280 CCA...440 HCA...7.3x3.1x6.7
PC545......12Ah...12.6 lb...235 CCA...360 HCA...7.0x3.4x5.2
stock.......48Ah...32+ lb....356 CCA...lots HCA...big
CCA/HCA numbers are pretty arguable between manufacturers. I got the Braille on a group buy in 2004 for $115 including shipping. I wouldn't pay $175 for it! The other ones are much cheaper and save just about as much weight.
| Storm | 05-24-2005 03:43 AM |
I'm pretty happy with my Everstart lawn tractor battery. It's got 340CA and just 210CCA, but we don't use it in the winter and now that I've relocated it back to the front...we never have starting issues even after weeks of sitting.....The manual only calls for 310CA so this fits the bill nicely.
I don't run things very long without the car running.....but it can survive a weekend of autocross and fans running between runs. Oh, it only costs about $25 from Wallyworld.....
Jay Storm
I don't run things very long without the car running.....but it can survive a weekend of autocross and fans running between runs. Oh, it only costs about $25 from Wallyworld.....
Jay Storm
| BlackEyeII | 05-24-2005 07:17 AM |
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[QUOTE=HoRo1]I have a PC680 here in hot SoCal, and despite having the battery drained when I went on vacation for 2 weeks, have had no trouble. The battery is in the stock location.
How many people spend extra cash on a lightweight battery and then make sure that their windshield fluid is always topped up?[/QUOTE]
Well topped off no, but at least half yes...
I run a Braile, but I also use my IC sprayer
How many people spend extra cash on a lightweight battery and then make sure that their windshield fluid is always topped up?[/QUOTE]
Well topped off no, but at least half yes...
I run a Braile, but I also use my IC sprayer
| TheWRX | 05-24-2005 08:26 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]...I guess that unless you are an ice racer, that isn't a motorsport's issue ;) [/QUOTE]
I agree, and it doesn't bother me at all. I was only responding to the guy saying that the Braille didn't make it through winter, saying that a Hawker could have the same issue.
Jay, what's the weight of that lawn tractor battery? I tried finding specs, but when I enter Everstart (and related terms) into Google, I mostly find information about bass fishing. :furious:
I agree, and it doesn't bother me at all. I was only responding to the guy saying that the Braille didn't make it through winter, saying that a Hawker could have the same issue.
Jay, what's the weight of that lawn tractor battery? I tried finding specs, but when I enter Everstart (and related terms) into Google, I mostly find information about bass fishing. :furious:
| Storm | 05-24-2005 10:02 AM |
It's right around 10lbs. I don't remember exactly right now....
| hampster | 05-24-2005 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]Don't bother with a Braille, I don't know how much I can stress this. The Braille are hardcore overpriced and die even more quickly than their Hawker equals. Case in point, my Hawker in my Corolla versus my friend's Braille in his WRX. Both got about the same use over the winter, but his battery barely holds a charge even when disconnected.[/QUOTE]
^^^what he said. Do a search in the product reviews forum for Braille. I've had nothing but problems with mine (even the replacement one after my first one died after 4 months of use).
I am about to warrantee my Braille for the 2nd time in one year. It just doesn't hold a charge at all...even with a low voltage disconnect on it. The battery just self discharges like crazy. :furious:
^^^what he said. Do a search in the product reviews forum for Braille. I've had nothing but problems with mine (even the replacement one after my first one died after 4 months of use).
I am about to warrantee my Braille for the 2nd time in one year. It just doesn't hold a charge at all...even with a low voltage disconnect on it. The battery just self discharges like crazy. :furious:
| Diversion | 05-26-2005 01:41 AM |
My stock battery is dying.. can't have the AC on at a red light - voltage gets below 10 volts.. fine whilst driving.. Anyways, I bought myself a Odyssey P680MJ and it just arrived.. weighed in at 16lbs on my scale. That's 15 lbs lighter than stock, not a bad way to lose some weight. I recommend the MJ model if you want to use it in your engine bay, and you can get the non-MJ model which is 14 lbs if you want to use it inside the car.
Jay
Jay
| Diversion | 05-26-2005 01:44 AM |
And don't waste your money on a 150+ dollar Braille battery to save another 5 to 6 lbs.. you can buy two PC680s for the price of one of those (roll eyes)
| abaxter34 | 06-01-2005 08:04 PM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]I agree, and it doesn't bother me at all. I was only responding to the guy saying that the Braille didn't make it through winter, saying that a Hawker could have the same issue.
Jay, what's the weight of that lawn tractor battery? I tried finding specs, but when I enter Everstart (and related terms) into Google, I mostly find information about bass fishing. :furious:[/QUOTE]
i went and looked today. i didnt find the same one Jay mentioned but found one pretty close. it put out 350 ca and 275 cca and weighed 18.5 lbs on one of walmarts bathroom scales.
Jay, what's the weight of that lawn tractor battery? I tried finding specs, but when I enter Everstart (and related terms) into Google, I mostly find information about bass fishing. :furious:[/QUOTE]
i went and looked today. i didnt find the same one Jay mentioned but found one pretty close. it put out 350 ca and 275 cca and weighed 18.5 lbs on one of walmarts bathroom scales.
| Patrick L | 06-01-2005 09:46 PM |
I'll be 2 cents in. I bought my Hawker G13EP 2.5 years and it's been in there since I got it. No problem. I have in the stock location with it laying on it's side with the terminals pointing towards the engine.
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