| ProrallyWRX | 08-31-2001 09:14 PM |
Making a 2002 Open Class Rally WRX
So here we go. AVSport sponsored by Performance Parts Distributors and Alternative Vehicle Fabricators is making an Open class WRX for Lake Superior rally in late October. Who will drive it? He will be European, WRC capable and a serious threat for the overall.
Here are some pics of the chassis strip and seam welding. From new to naked in 2 days.
Justin
Here are some pics of the chassis strip and seam welding. From new to naked in 2 days.
Justin
| Dave_Clark | 08-31-2001 09:42 PM |
Cool! A new Open class 2002 WRX. Knock Lovell off the podium!;)
| dch | 09-01-2001 01:56 PM |
Woo-hoo!
You could let [i]me[/i] drive it, but instead of knocking anybody off the podium I'd probably just knock the whole podium over... :D
Any y'all going to Warshington? I can use all the hints I can get as it'll be event #2 for me (with a brand-new navvie no less). Feel free to stop by and help me try to make the new(er) guy all nervous!
-Doug
#530 PGT '02 WRX (ClubRally)
Any y'all going to Warshington? I can use all the hints I can get as it'll be event #2 for me (with a brand-new navvie no less). Feel free to stop by and help me try to make the new(er) guy all nervous!
-Doug
#530 PGT '02 WRX (ClubRally)
| Ver.III | 09-01-2001 08:30 PM |
You guys have alot of work in a short time !! Good luck. Nice to see another Wrx in the rally scene.
| joe z | 09-01-2001 11:52 PM |
mmmmmmm seam welding
| ProrallyWRX | 09-03-2001 02:57 PM |
mmmmmmm cage
I will post pics of the cage Tuesday.
This car won't make Washington but the other WRX will. We just installed the 6 spd box. SSSSSSSSSSWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTT.
Justin
This car won't make Washington but the other WRX will. We just installed the 6 spd box. SSSSSSSSSSWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTT.
Justin
| Dave_Clark | 09-04-2001 02:41 AM |
Hey Doug,
Put lots of underbody protection on the car. Nowhere in the country will you get more rock damage than in the Simpson forest. The infamous Simpson "pea" gravel can sometimes be as big as your fist! Think of it as someone spraying gravel through a fire hose at the bottom of your car and you begin to get the idea.
If it's dry it will be very dusty. If it's a little wet the traction will be better. If it's really wet it will get very slippery and probably be foggy at night.
Pace yourself Friday night and make your attack on Saturday. Too many people put themselves out the first night. (I've done it lots!:o )
-Dave Clark
Put lots of underbody protection on the car. Nowhere in the country will you get more rock damage than in the Simpson forest. The infamous Simpson "pea" gravel can sometimes be as big as your fist! Think of it as someone spraying gravel through a fire hose at the bottom of your car and you begin to get the idea.
If it's dry it will be very dusty. If it's a little wet the traction will be better. If it's really wet it will get very slippery and probably be foggy at night.
Pace yourself Friday night and make your attack on Saturday. Too many people put themselves out the first night. (I've done it lots!:o )
-Dave Clark
| Ver.III | 09-04-2001 03:28 AM |
A Sti 6-speed ? Or a Grp.A 6-speed ? I take you guys had to do a little tunnel banging to make it fit the North American shell ?
| ProrallyWRX | 09-04-2001 10:36 AM |
STi 6 speed
The STI 6 speed went in fairly easily. The 6 speed shift linkage is a little different because they did not take into account the mounting bracket they have on the box. It would have fit perfect otherwise. We havn't given it the full test but just down the street it grabbed all 6 no problem.
Thanks for the rock report.
Justin
Thanks for the rock report.
Justin
| dch | 09-04-2001 11:39 AM |
Thanks Dave, good advice. My objective is to finish so I don't have to do the whole painful car prep thing all over again with a new car. I wish I could drop a 6-speed dogbox in there, but that'll just have to wait until I move out of PGT.
How long is the whole build going to take, Justin? What other goodies are going in to the mix?
-Doug
How long is the whole build going to take, Justin? What other goodies are going in to the mix?
-Doug
| ProrallyWRX | 09-04-2001 12:13 PM |
More goodies
The car will be ready to race at Lake Superior. We will be testing two weeks prior.
Lots of other goodies. Carbon fiber sump and diff guards, light pods, Proflex suspension, STi brakes, Pirelli tires, Compomotive rims, Cobra Kevlar seats, Sabelt harnesses, Peltor communications, Terratrip 303 and for perrformance, Cobb and Alternative Fabricators aree building a motor. Front intercoolers and the rest of the goodies. All of which we are getting in stock. The guards, pods, wheels and tires are here as well as the STi components. Let me know if you need anything!
Justin;)
Lots of other goodies. Carbon fiber sump and diff guards, light pods, Proflex suspension, STi brakes, Pirelli tires, Compomotive rims, Cobra Kevlar seats, Sabelt harnesses, Peltor communications, Terratrip 303 and for perrformance, Cobb and Alternative Fabricators aree building a motor. Front intercoolers and the rest of the goodies. All of which we are getting in stock. The guards, pods, wheels and tires are here as well as the STi components. Let me know if you need anything!
Justin;)
| skuttledude | 09-05-2001 09:22 AM |
I'll drive!
Schweet car! I know we all look forward to seeing as many pictures of your new baby (rallyWRX) as it goes thru its transformation.
I'm open for a drive, but first I need to call Nicky Grist back and decline his offer in the WRC Focus....
(Hi Justin)
Davis
I'm open for a drive, but first I need to call Nicky Grist back and decline his offer in the WRC Focus....
(Hi Justin)
Davis
| Subie Gal | 09-05-2001 11:39 AM |
nnnnice!!!!!
cant wait to see it in it's completion... :)
J.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
cant wait to see it in it's completion... :)
J.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| johnfelstead | 09-05-2001 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE]Pace yourself Friday night and make your attack on Saturday[/QUOTE]
you trying to slow the oposition down dave? ;) LOL
[QUOTE]My objective is to finish so I don't have to do the whole painful car prep thing all over again with a new car[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean! :eek: LOL
Great to see yet another new car being readied for rallying in the USA. I am really chuffed to bits the sport i love is taking off over there. :D
you trying to slow the oposition down dave? ;) LOL
[QUOTE]My objective is to finish so I don't have to do the whole painful car prep thing all over again with a new car[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean! :eek: LOL
Great to see yet another new car being readied for rallying in the USA. I am really chuffed to bits the sport i love is taking off over there. :D
| iceweazel | 09-06-2001 03:28 PM |
Justin:
What would it cost to put a simple cage in for a PGT style car,
and how much dash gets destroyed? Does the blower system
still operate? Never got a good look at Pete's car when Andy
was done. Feel free to email or PM about this.
Guess I'll see you folks at LSPR and we can talk there as
well.
Say hello to Andy, and now Dave, for me. Great guys, I
hope they are much happier and better off now than
where they were before. ;)
Ed
What would it cost to put a simple cage in for a PGT style car,
and how much dash gets destroyed? Does the blower system
still operate? Never got a good look at Pete's car when Andy
was done. Feel free to email or PM about this.
Guess I'll see you folks at LSPR and we can talk there as
well.
Say hello to Andy, and now Dave, for me. Great guys, I
hope they are much happier and better off now than
where they were before. ;)
Ed
| Greg555 | 09-06-2001 05:12 PM |
[SIZE=3]I don`t know if you guys have anyone lined up but I CAN get you one of the 2 best Polish rally drivers, EX European champions, people that drive WRC cars every day. I know people that know people... We failed on a deal for last years entry for Krzystof Holowczyc at Cherokee trials, but we will be trying this year. [/SIZE]
| ProrallyWRX | 09-11-2001 02:27 PM |
Drivers
I appreciate the offer. As I mentioned we have a great driver scheduled for Lake Superior and possibly all next year.
We are always available to rent vehicles as well. Maybe they would like to use one of our cars later.
Justin
We are always available to rent vehicles as well. Maybe they would like to use one of our cars later.
Justin
| ProrallyWRX | 09-11-2001 03:00 PM |
More pics
Here are some cage pics.
| ProrallyWRX | 09-11-2001 03:01 PM |
another
another photo:eek:
| EnterTheDragon | 09-11-2001 08:56 PM |
what exactly is seam welding
| Ver.III | 09-11-2001 10:28 PM |
Cool. FIA Grp N. cage. Prodrive design. Only 92lbs.
| joe z | 09-12-2001 12:25 AM |
damn that looks good
| Travis R | 09-12-2001 09:37 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EnterTheDragon [/i]
[B]what exactly is seam welding [/B][/QUOTE]
If you look at the first picture of the under side of the car you can see that every seem between each panel that makes up the car has been welded together. Regular street cars do not have this much welding done to them. Seam welding help the chassis survive the brutality that a rally car is subjected to.
[B]what exactly is seam welding [/B][/QUOTE]
If you look at the first picture of the under side of the car you can see that every seem between each panel that makes up the car has been welded together. Regular street cars do not have this much welding done to them. Seam welding help the chassis survive the brutality that a rally car is subjected to.
| EnterTheDragon | 09-12-2001 02:07 PM |
thank you =)
| dch | 09-16-2001 05:50 PM |
Sounds like an outstanding car! I look forward to seeing it at LSPR. Are you guys bringing your snow tires? :D
-Doug
-Doug
| ProrallyWRX | 09-17-2001 10:16 AM |
Snow
Definately bringing the snow tires. Big change in weather from the AZ desert.:eek:
Justin
Justin
| dch | 09-17-2001 09:19 PM |
The next logical question, is "What do you use for snow tires?"
I'm going to run Sno-Drift next year, and if I have my information right, studded tires are a no-no. I assume Hakkas are pretty popular, and I've also heard good things about Toyo Observes.
Do you guys sell rally tires? I need a good source for Pirelli.
-Doug
I'm going to run Sno-Drift next year, and if I have my information right, studded tires are a no-no. I assume Hakkas are pretty popular, and I've also heard good things about Toyo Observes.
Do you guys sell rally tires? I need a good source for Pirelli.
-Doug
| mykrrrr | 09-17-2001 11:35 PM |
Studs are definitely a NO NO in SCCA ProRally.
The Prodrive boys were running Bridgestone WS-50 snow tires last year.
Hakka 1s are good as well.
What brakes are you gonna run??? Stock WRX??? You'll want to go down one size in rim and get a narrow tire to cut through the snow.
For example, GC8 Impreza RS - 205/55/16 on tarmac. For snow you'd want something like 185/65/15
Good luck @ Lk. Superior (I might go up there I'm still not sure...) and if you're at Sno*Drift I'll see ya there.
-myk
The Prodrive boys were running Bridgestone WS-50 snow tires last year.
Hakka 1s are good as well.
What brakes are you gonna run??? Stock WRX??? You'll want to go down one size in rim and get a narrow tire to cut through the snow.
For example, GC8 Impreza RS - 205/55/16 on tarmac. For snow you'd want something like 185/65/15
Good luck @ Lk. Superior (I might go up there I'm still not sure...) and if you're at Sno*Drift I'll see ya there.
-myk
| RPM+BPM | 09-18-2001 12:14 AM |
has there ever been a rally car w/ nitros???
if not, u should be the first to try....:D
if not, u should be the first to try....:D
| ProrallyWRX | 09-18-2001 11:02 AM |
Pirelli
we will be using thwe Pirelli Snow tires or Ice tires depending on conditions. We also will have some available for sale.
I will check on what sizes are coming and let you know!
Justin
I will check on what sizes are coming and let you know!
Justin
| mykrrrr | 09-18-2001 11:11 AM |
Justin
Need anyone for service crew??? I'd be willing to lend a hand. :D
-myk
Need anyone for service crew??? I'd be willing to lend a hand. :D
-myk
| ProrallyWRX | 09-24-2001 08:55 PM |
Higgins to drive
So now that it is official, David Higgins will be driving this car.
1999 British group N champion David Higgins, will drive a new 2002 Subaru Impreza on the forthcoming Lake Superior ProRally.
David Higgins official web site
[url]http://www.david-higgins.com[/url]
Justin
:D :D :D
1999 British group N champion David Higgins, will drive a new 2002 Subaru Impreza on the forthcoming Lake Superior ProRally.
David Higgins official web site
[url]http://www.david-higgins.com[/url]
Justin
:D :D :D
| gplsek | 09-25-2001 12:23 AM |
let me drive it.
nice, job see you at Prescott
-george
nice, job see you at Prescott
-george
| slidewaysmike | 09-25-2001 01:55 AM |
Justin----> Out of curiosity, do you guys pull the roof skin off to finish the welds on top of the cage closest to the roof, or is the cage partially assembled first out of the car with the tops prewelded, then the cage fitted, and then the rest of the welds finished?
Just curious as I am getting my cage finished up and always wondered how they did that.
Congrats on getting Mark Higgins!! That should prove really fun.
Good luck at Prescott and LSPR.
Mike
Just curious as I am getting my cage finished up and always wondered how they did that.
Congrats on getting Mark Higgins!! That should prove really fun.
Good luck at Prescott and LSPR.
Mike
| ProrallyWRX | 09-25-2001 10:30 AM |
Cage
The roof skin is not removed. It is welded once in place inside the car.
David Higgins will be driving, brother of Mark Higgins.
Stay slideways.
Justin
David Higgins will be driving, brother of Mark Higgins.
Stay slideways.
Justin
| mykrrrr | 09-25-2001 11:58 AM |
[QUOTE]Justin----> Out of curiosity, do you guys pull the roof skin off to finish the welds on top of the cage closest to the roof, or is the cage partially assembled first out of the car with the tops prewelded, then the cage fitted, and then the rest of the welds finished? [/QUOTE]
I've heard comments like that before. Why do people think you have to cut the roof off the car to get at the welding points??? :confused:
By cutting the roof off you structurally weaken the car's unibody.
-myk
I've heard comments like that before. Why do people think you have to cut the roof off the car to get at the welding points??? :confused:
By cutting the roof off you structurally weaken the car's unibody.
-myk
| slidewaysmike | 09-25-2001 02:15 PM |
Well, my cage fits high and tight to the roof, and I know that there is really no way to get the welder all of the way on top of the tubing to weld it correctly if it is assembled in the car. So I just assumed that either the welding on the tops was completed previous to final assembly, or the roof [b]skin[/b] was removed.
Besides removing the roof skin and then re-attatching it wouldnt compromise structural rigidity.
Case in point:
Ramana Lagemann's Group N Impreza started life as an RS2.5
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update2/eventic/build.5.200.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update2/eventic/build.3.200.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update/cars/vscsub/v1_200.jpg[/img]
I doubt with all of the knowledge that VTCar has after builing championship cars, and working hand in hand with Prodrive, they would have removed the roof skin if they felt it would jeapordize rigidity.
Mike
Besides removing the roof skin and then re-attatching it wouldnt compromise structural rigidity.
Case in point:
Ramana Lagemann's Group N Impreza started life as an RS2.5
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update2/eventic/build.5.200.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update2/eventic/build.3.200.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.vtcar.com/update/cars/vscsub/v1_200.jpg[/img]
I doubt with all of the knowledge that VTCar has after builing championship cars, and working hand in hand with Prodrive, they would have removed the roof skin if they felt it would jeapordize rigidity.
Mike
| mykrrrr | 09-25-2001 02:37 PM |
I stand corrected. :D
Thanks Mike...nice photoshop job on the roof pic by the way...hahaha :lol: j/k :D
-myk
Thanks Mike...nice photoshop job on the roof pic by the way...hahaha :lol: j/k :D
-myk
| Greg555 | 09-25-2001 02:54 PM |
My friend had his roof removed from his RS when the cage was installed.
| 10th Warrior | 09-25-2001 03:18 PM |
wouldn't you have to change the roof anyway to get rid of the sunroof.
| ProrallyWRX | 09-25-2001 03:29 PM |
sun roof
They just need to be sealed and covered, not removed.
Justin
Justin
| 10th Warrior | 09-25-2001 03:47 PM |
right, i understand that. but wouldn't you want to remove it to decrease weight and increase rigidity?
i really need to get a SCCA rally rule book one of these days.
i really need to get a SCCA rally rule book one of these days.
| Dave_Clark | 09-25-2001 07:48 PM |
You can remove all the "guts" of the sunroof and just weld the sunroof panel to the roof skin. That way you can get a tighter rollcage to roof fit and more headroom. This usually means welding tabs between the structural framework around the hole and the inner structure of the panel and then sealing the gap. That way no paintwork is required. Or you can bondo and paint it if you want to get rid of the seam. Or, as has been mentioned, you can reskin the roof. This is almost easier and makes for a cleaner finished product. I've used all of these methods in the past, it just depends on the customer's budget and needs, and the parts available. If the car came stock with a glass panel SCCA rules require it to be replaced or covered by metal.
As for welding all the way around the top tubes there are tricks to that as well. I've not seen anybody get a tighter rollcage to body fit as I (not bragging, really, just observing:) ) and I've done lots of new Porsches with full interiors. Porsche owners are pretty picky and they like to come to me because I can build a tight fitting rollcage without setting the headliner on fire! It's just a matter of welding the top joints first then shoving the cage up into place and putting the floor plates in last.
As for welding all the way around the top tubes there are tricks to that as well. I've not seen anybody get a tighter rollcage to body fit as I (not bragging, really, just observing:) ) and I've done lots of new Porsches with full interiors. Porsche owners are pretty picky and they like to come to me because I can build a tight fitting rollcage without setting the headliner on fire! It's just a matter of welding the top joints first then shoving the cage up into place and putting the floor plates in last.
| slidewaysmike | 09-25-2001 09:51 PM |
DMS-USA---> Thanks for the clarification. I thought that was what happened, but I didn't know.
I think you actually know the guy building my cage. His name is Shane. From Phoenix. Works on T.Chavez's car sometimes. Do you know him?
Justin might know him also, as he seems to know Andy and some others from Alternative Vehicles.
Mike
P.S.- Justin, sorry about the whole David/Mark thing. I was too excitred to even think straight. :p
I think you actually know the guy building my cage. His name is Shane. From Phoenix. Works on T.Chavez's car sometimes. Do you know him?
Justin might know him also, as he seems to know Andy and some others from Alternative Vehicles.
Mike
P.S.- Justin, sorry about the whole David/Mark thing. I was too excitred to even think straight. :p
| Dave_Clark | 09-26-2001 02:52 AM |
Yes, I know Shane. I'll probably be hauling his motorcycle down to Prescott with me when we go to the rally.:)
| Fubaru | 09-30-2001 12:48 AM |
Re: Making a 2002 Open Class Rally WRX
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ProrallyWRX [/i]
[B]
Here are some pics of the chassis strip and seam welding. From new to naked in 2 days.
Justin [/B][/QUOTE]
So was the seam welding done by you guys or is the factory chassis already seam welded?
[B]
Here are some pics of the chassis strip and seam welding. From new to naked in 2 days.
Justin [/B][/QUOTE]
So was the seam welding done by you guys or is the factory chassis already seam welded?
| mykrrrr | 10-01-2001 06:27 AM |
Seam welding is done by the fabricator not the manufacturer. Automakers barely weld the cars these days anyway...it's all mastic and spot welds. :(
-myk
-myk
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