| ashtaron14 | 12-05-2001 01:00 PM |
Burns in High Court
Directly from [url]http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011205103608.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE]
One has to feel sorry for Richard Burns at the moment. He recently fulfilled a life-long ambition of winning the World Rally Championship and yet instead of being able to savour the moment and revel in the glory the Englishman is stuck in the middle of a contract battle. Both Subaru, the team with which he won the title this season, and Peugeot, the team he has signed with for next year, claim they have the rights to the 30-year-old for 2002.
Yesterday the saga took another step forward when according to Autosport Subaru began proceedings at the London High Court to get an injunction preventing Burns from driving for any other team until the contract story has been decided on, and it is known for whom he will be driving. Burns is believed to have tested with Peugeot the Monday after the Rally of Great Britain, which was the title decider and then again last week, but should the injunction be granted it will stop him from testing for Peugeot, or any other team for that matter, until his future has been decided.
Back in October it was announced that Burns would be making the switch from Subaru, who he joined in 1999, to Peugeot Sport. However it is thought that Burns had a clause in his Subaru contract that stated that should he become world champion the team would have first option on him for the following season.
[/QUOTE]
Looks like there's a chance that Burns might be a teammate with Makinen afterall! :p
[QUOTE]
One has to feel sorry for Richard Burns at the moment. He recently fulfilled a life-long ambition of winning the World Rally Championship and yet instead of being able to savour the moment and revel in the glory the Englishman is stuck in the middle of a contract battle. Both Subaru, the team with which he won the title this season, and Peugeot, the team he has signed with for next year, claim they have the rights to the 30-year-old for 2002.
Yesterday the saga took another step forward when according to Autosport Subaru began proceedings at the London High Court to get an injunction preventing Burns from driving for any other team until the contract story has been decided on, and it is known for whom he will be driving. Burns is believed to have tested with Peugeot the Monday after the Rally of Great Britain, which was the title decider and then again last week, but should the injunction be granted it will stop him from testing for Peugeot, or any other team for that matter, until his future has been decided.
Back in October it was announced that Burns would be making the switch from Subaru, who he joined in 1999, to Peugeot Sport. However it is thought that Burns had a clause in his Subaru contract that stated that should he become world champion the team would have first option on him for the following season.
[/QUOTE]
Looks like there's a chance that Burns might be a teammate with Makinen afterall! :p
| johnfelstead | 12-05-2001 02:19 PM |
Not sure why you would feel sorry for someone who broke their contract. I am sure Richard isnt feeling sorry for himself either. He took a gamble signing a contract when he knew he had a binding contract with Subaru, he would expect to pay for that and no doubt had that covered in his dealings with Peugeot.
This is all about money and competitive advantage. Subaru want some recompense for him being paid based on a two year deal yet leaving after one. I would imagine a major motivation is to limit his seat time in a new car to give Makinen more chance of competing. Richard will be very quick in the Peugeot next year and Subaru knows this.
Some of that article must be wrong because Richard was on TV this Saturday and he said he was unable to test ANY car until this was sorted. He stated then he hadnt yet driven the Peugeot, either he lied or the article is wrong.
This is all about money and competitive advantage. Subaru want some recompense for him being paid based on a two year deal yet leaving after one. I would imagine a major motivation is to limit his seat time in a new car to give Makinen more chance of competing. Richard will be very quick in the Peugeot next year and Subaru knows this.
Some of that article must be wrong because Richard was on TV this Saturday and he said he was unable to test ANY car until this was sorted. He stated then he hadnt yet driven the Peugeot, either he lied or the article is wrong.
| Little Miss WRX | 12-05-2001 06:26 PM |
If Subaru need to take court action against Burnsie then IMHO they are better off without I don't think his heart is in it with Subaru I would prefer someone who's heart is.
Michelle
Michelle
| johnfelstead | 12-05-2001 07:18 PM |
There is no chance Burns will be driving a Subaru Michelle.
Subaru want $10,000,000 from him to release him, thats what MN is saying today anyway. Imagine what rally programe you could fund with that!
Subaru stoped McRae joining Ford for one year and it was a disaster, they wont make that mistake again. They are going to use this to their maximum advantage, why wouldnt they?
Subaru want $10,000,000 from him to release him, thats what MN is saying today anyway. Imagine what rally programe you could fund with that!
Subaru stoped McRae joining Ford for one year and it was a disaster, they wont make that mistake again. They are going to use this to their maximum advantage, why wouldnt they?
| bliu | 12-06-2001 08:14 AM |
[URL=http://www.worldrallynews.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1007623652,59554,]Looks like things are getting ugly[/URL]
Burns sitting out for 2002?!:eek:
Burns sitting out for 2002?!:eek:
| Thug | 12-06-2001 10:16 AM |
I dont blame Subaru for trying to keep him. They'd be a shoe-in for the Constructor's Championship if they did. But I think $10 million is a little steep for letting him go. I think maybe $2-3 million would be reasonable.
| TimStevens | 12-06-2001 11:48 AM |
Wow... who need Marlboro when you can get $10 mill from a contract dispute? ;)
-tim
-tim
| johnfelstead | 12-06-2001 03:37 PM |
I don't see Burns sitting out 2002.
Next year is masively important to Dave Richards and ISC, they aim to promote WRC big time with their new live web site, the WRC playstation game and through TV and National media. No way will Dave Richards allow things to develop to a stage where Burns, the reigning Champion, doesn't drive.
Dave Richards now owns the rights to the WRC championship, he is the Bernie Eclestone of rallying. ;) Bernie is famous for keeping F1 in the limelite during the off season and brokering deals behind closed doors.
Who is it that owns Prodrive again? :D:lol:
This will all be settled when it suits Prodrive and Dave Richards, just you watch. :D
Next year is masively important to Dave Richards and ISC, they aim to promote WRC big time with their new live web site, the WRC playstation game and through TV and National media. No way will Dave Richards allow things to develop to a stage where Burns, the reigning Champion, doesn't drive.
Dave Richards now owns the rights to the WRC championship, he is the Bernie Eclestone of rallying. ;) Bernie is famous for keeping F1 in the limelite during the off season and brokering deals behind closed doors.
Who is it that owns Prodrive again? :D:lol:
This will all be settled when it suits Prodrive and Dave Richards, just you watch. :D
| Really_Soaked | 12-06-2001 03:57 PM |
I don't see him driving for Subaru next year, it just won't happen. The only way he's driving is if someone (Richard or Peugeot) foots the bill in the order of 10 really big ones.
| johnfelstead | 12-06-2001 04:19 PM |
Think you missed my point. This wont be settled by anyone paying $10mil. Burns gets paid about £3.7mil a year, even he cant afford that! :eek:
Burns will sting after this is sorted but it will be settled for far less than $10Mil, when it suits Prodrive, not Richard or Peugeot.
Burns will sting after this is sorted but it will be settled for far less than $10Mil, when it suits Prodrive, not Richard or Peugeot.
| SubyObsessive | 12-06-2001 04:23 PM |
wow sorry to see that....he is such a talented driver :(
| johnfelstead | 12-06-2001 04:32 PM |
What you sorry about? That someone who signed a contract and broke it is being made to face the consequencies?
This is all a big game really, Subaru see an oportunity to harm the competitive edge of their rival and they are going for that. Who wouldnt do this under the same circumstances?
This isnt a personal thing, this is business. Sport doesnt come into the WRC at all these days when you have $6Mil salaries for the likes of McRae and $600,000 to build ONE car!
This is all a big game really, Subaru see an oportunity to harm the competitive edge of their rival and they are going for that. Who wouldnt do this under the same circumstances?
This isnt a personal thing, this is business. Sport doesnt come into the WRC at all these days when you have $6Mil salaries for the likes of McRae and $600,000 to build ONE car!
| Crashton | 12-06-2001 04:58 PM |
Either Pro Drive/Subaru is keen on having him drive in 02, or they figure Pugeot will pay some big bucks to properly buy out Richards contract. I can see why Subaru wants him to stay, great publicity having the world champion drive your car. All just part of the silly season I guess. Seems as though world rally is getting more & more like F1:rolleyes:
Chuck
Chuck
| johnfelstead | 12-06-2001 05:04 PM |
precisely, F1 generates more news off the track than on and it's worth Billions because of that!
David Richards is a smart man. :D
David Richards is a smart man. :D
| 10th Warrior | 12-06-2001 05:12 PM |
john, correct me if i'm wrong, but the gist of what you're saying is that its not about the money so much as its about dragging this out through the off-season so that burns has less time in the 206 before monte carlo, or perhaps even to have him miss a few events? they'll take a few mil once the next season is about to begin, so that makinen will have had time to play with the scoob but burns is going to be forced to have a steep learning curve?
| johnfelstead | 12-06-2001 05:42 PM |
Yep, thats how i read it.
He will not miss an event but he is and will miss out on valuable testing time.
Monte is not far away.
He will not miss an event but he is and will miss out on valuable testing time.
Monte is not far away.
| cj917 | 12-06-2001 06:02 PM |
like John said, Prodrive/Subaru took advantage of Burns' mistake of signing with Peugeot mid-season and now they have a big chance to hurt Peugeot by compounding the damage
no way Burns will drive for Subaru next year... if you are a team principal/GM/whoever's in charge of management, would you want someone to drive/play for you when you know his heart is elsewhere? everyone knows that, and the question is: what's gonna take Peugeot to get Burns ASAP?
i'm sure a few million bucks won't hurt when the opportunity presents itself... and ditto, Richards is a very bright man... whatelse makes a bigger news to promote WRC other than the current champion in a contract battle, after 3 men going into the last round of the season all having a chance to win it all? ;)
(and WRC is surely far more interesting than F1 these days... "who do you think will win F1 next year?" "geez, i don't know......" :rolleyes: )
-arthur
no way Burns will drive for Subaru next year... if you are a team principal/GM/whoever's in charge of management, would you want someone to drive/play for you when you know his heart is elsewhere? everyone knows that, and the question is: what's gonna take Peugeot to get Burns ASAP?
i'm sure a few million bucks won't hurt when the opportunity presents itself... and ditto, Richards is a very bright man... whatelse makes a bigger news to promote WRC other than the current champion in a contract battle, after 3 men going into the last round of the season all having a chance to win it all? ;)
(and WRC is surely far more interesting than F1 these days... "who do you think will win F1 next year?" "geez, i don't know......" :rolleyes: )
-arthur
| mykrrrr | 12-07-2001 07:55 AM |
Burns Update...
From Rally-Live: [url]http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011207124615.shtml[/url]
He's free to test with Peugeot but...
[QUOTE]Despite this ruling though the Englishman's future is still uncertain, although according to Subaru he has three options available to him for 2002.
- Drive the Subaru Impreza during the 14 rounds of the championship
- Do not participate in the championship with any team
- Or to pay Subaru $ 10,000,000 in order to leave the team and join another[/QUOTE]
:eek:
-myk
He's free to test with Peugeot but...
[QUOTE]Despite this ruling though the Englishman's future is still uncertain, although according to Subaru he has three options available to him for 2002.
- Drive the Subaru Impreza during the 14 rounds of the championship
- Do not participate in the championship with any team
- Or to pay Subaru $ 10,000,000 in order to leave the team and join another[/QUOTE]
:eek:
-myk
| RallyNavvie | 12-07-2001 01:40 PM |
Geez, what would Subaru do with Burns and Makkinen driving for them? That's just too many popular drivers. What's next? Buying McCrash and Grönholm to fill out the team?
Problem is Subaru shouldn't force it on Burns. What if he decided to wad up his car every rally in front of the cameras? This might turn into the same dramatics that came about last season between the Peugot drivers :rolleyes:
Watch out, rally is going to turn into professional wrestling: cameras following the drivers and teams as they fight with one another outside of the rally. Tag team between Richard/Robert and Tommi/Risto. Watch out Tommi, Risto's gonna join the other team :lol:
Problem is Subaru shouldn't force it on Burns. What if he decided to wad up his car every rally in front of the cameras? This might turn into the same dramatics that came about last season between the Peugot drivers :rolleyes:
Watch out, rally is going to turn into professional wrestling: cameras following the drivers and teams as they fight with one another outside of the rally. Tag team between Richard/Robert and Tommi/Risto. Watch out Tommi, Risto's gonna join the other team :lol:
| johnfelstead | 12-07-2001 02:15 PM |
Well that ruling wont do much to help Burns into the seat of a Peugeot.
If you were pug would you allow someone who could be your main rival test your car? I know i wouldnt!
Wish i could say more but i am gobsmacked by what i was told today. Read into that what you will. ;) :lol:
If you were pug would you allow someone who could be your main rival test your car? I know i wouldnt!
Wish i could say more but i am gobsmacked by what i was told today. Read into that what you will. ;) :lol:
| ashtaron14 | 12-09-2001 03:12 AM |
What a Burn?!
From [url]http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011207124615.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE]This week Subaru went to the London High Court to obtain an injunction against Richar Burns testing for Peugeot until the contractual wrangle regarding the 2001 World Champion's future has been decided upon. Insisting that Burns is a Subaru driver for 2002 the team requested the Burns stop testing the 206 WRC, however the courts denied the motion and said that Burns is free to test with Peugeot.
[B]Despite this ruling though the Englishman's future is still uncertain, although according to Subaru he has three options available to him for 2002.
- Drive the Subaru Impreza during the 14 rounds of the championship
- Do not participate in the championship with any team
- Or to pay Subaru $ 10,000,000 in order to leave the team and join another[/B]
In his defence, through his lawyer Burns informed the court that Subaru had signed four-time world champion Tommi Makinen as a direct replacement for himself for 2002. Therefore he considered himself free to leave the team and join another one. To add weight to his comments Burns referred to the press release issued on October the 15th 2001 by Prodrive confirming Makinen's appointment and that the Finn would be the number one driver within the team for next year's campaign. Burns also presented the court with a letter from Subaru's boss that wished him all the success possible in the future with his new team.
Meanwhile the Subaru team confirmed that Burns had made his intentions to leave the team clear back in September, but that there was a clause in his contract that stated he would remain with the team should be become world champion – which he did. Subaru said that the title represented an enormous promotional value to the team and that the parties had agreed in September that should Burns become champion they would have a joint future in 2002. Team principal David Lapworth said that Burns had expressed his doubts during the season that the team would not be competitive enough to win the championship and that was one of the reasons he wanted to leave, but seeing as they have now won it he's anxieties are not founded.
For the moment Burns' future is in the hands of the lawyers, and only time will tell what 2002 holds for him, but rest assured that no matter what happens he will be a part of the World Rally Championship next season, and will be out to defend his title.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]This week Subaru went to the London High Court to obtain an injunction against Richar Burns testing for Peugeot until the contractual wrangle regarding the 2001 World Champion's future has been decided upon. Insisting that Burns is a Subaru driver for 2002 the team requested the Burns stop testing the 206 WRC, however the courts denied the motion and said that Burns is free to test with Peugeot.
[B]Despite this ruling though the Englishman's future is still uncertain, although according to Subaru he has three options available to him for 2002.
- Drive the Subaru Impreza during the 14 rounds of the championship
- Do not participate in the championship with any team
- Or to pay Subaru $ 10,000,000 in order to leave the team and join another[/B]
In his defence, through his lawyer Burns informed the court that Subaru had signed four-time world champion Tommi Makinen as a direct replacement for himself for 2002. Therefore he considered himself free to leave the team and join another one. To add weight to his comments Burns referred to the press release issued on October the 15th 2001 by Prodrive confirming Makinen's appointment and that the Finn would be the number one driver within the team for next year's campaign. Burns also presented the court with a letter from Subaru's boss that wished him all the success possible in the future with his new team.
Meanwhile the Subaru team confirmed that Burns had made his intentions to leave the team clear back in September, but that there was a clause in his contract that stated he would remain with the team should be become world champion – which he did. Subaru said that the title represented an enormous promotional value to the team and that the parties had agreed in September that should Burns become champion they would have a joint future in 2002. Team principal David Lapworth said that Burns had expressed his doubts during the season that the team would not be competitive enough to win the championship and that was one of the reasons he wanted to leave, but seeing as they have now won it he's anxieties are not founded.
For the moment Burns' future is in the hands of the lawyers, and only time will tell what 2002 holds for him, but rest assured that no matter what happens he will be a part of the World Rally Championship next season, and will be out to defend his title.[/QUOTE]
| Seeing StaRS | 12-09-2001 04:01 AM |
Things are getting yucky now
| johnfelstead | 12-09-2001 06:26 AM |
there is a thread for this already.
[url]http://i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121524[/url]
[url]http://i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121524[/url]
| Shik | 12-09-2001 04:59 PM |
This thread should be made "Sticky" as there is obviously going to be more info coming on this to discuss, and other threads are already popping up with the same info.
How 'bout it, mods. Stick this baby to the top :)
How 'bout it, mods. Stick this baby to the top :)
| johnfelstead | 12-09-2001 05:27 PM |
All will be revealed early next week (IMHO :D ) so not so sure sticky will be required that much.
| Imprezard | 12-09-2001 09:03 PM |
When's Rally Monta Carlo?
They better settle this before that.
They better settle this before that.
| Thug | 12-09-2001 09:46 PM |
January
| Lightning Jack | 12-10-2001 12:06 AM |
If he's not happy with Subaru, why keep him?..
take the money and let him go..
I'm sure Makken will kick butt with Subaru..anyway he woulda won the championship if Evo. 7 isn't much of a problem..
let see if burn can make it up to the top with puegoet, or drown
:rolleyes:
take the money and let him go..
I'm sure Makken will kick butt with Subaru..anyway he woulda won the championship if Evo. 7 isn't much of a problem..
let see if burn can make it up to the top with puegoet, or drown
:rolleyes:
| Clegg | 12-10-2001 02:06 AM |
Subaru's making a mistake to push this, Let burns go, you got Tommi coming in... why create the added stress after you just had a rally championship...
Subaru confuses me at times..
Subaru confuses me at times..
| Imprezard | 12-10-2001 03:27 AM |
maybe they need the two aces to fight Ford's McRae/Sainz duel.
| Lightning Jack | 12-10-2001 09:10 AM |
yes i agreed with u imprezard, but if Burn is not happy with subaru will he give a 110% work?.
It's will probably do Subaru bad then good.
It's will probably do Subaru bad then good.
| Shik | 12-10-2001 09:12 AM |
[quote]All will be revealed early next week (IMHO ) [/quote]
Bah! What do you know anyway, John? :lol:
Seriously, I don't think Subaru has a ton to loose. They will still market the WRX as the 2001 World Rally Champion. And many people interested in the car don't even know who drives for Subaru(aka, the United States), only that the car is a bad-ass rally car.
Personally I think Richard Burns has himself in a bit of a pickle
Bah! What do you know anyway, John? :lol:
Seriously, I don't think Subaru has a ton to loose. They will still market the WRX as the 2001 World Rally Champion. And many people interested in the car don't even know who drives for Subaru(aka, the United States), only that the car is a bad-ass rally car.
Personally I think Richard Burns has himself in a bit of a pickle
| Really_Soaked | 12-10-2001 09:17 AM |
[QUOTE]They will still market the WRX as the 2001 World Rally Champion. And many people interested in the car don't even know who drives for Subaru[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to bet North America is one of the only places where most "motorsport" fans won't know who drives what in the WRC. North America is obviously not the biggest market for Subaru and you would be surprised how many complete rally nuts there are in europe and elsewhere.
Compare it to our retched Nascar.
-Simon.
I'd be willing to bet North America is one of the only places where most "motorsport" fans won't know who drives what in the WRC. North America is obviously not the biggest market for Subaru and you would be surprised how many complete rally nuts there are in europe and elsewhere.
Compare it to our retched Nascar.
-Simon.
| jaybird | 12-10-2001 10:12 AM |
John you rule! It must be nice to have decent coverage on this kind of stuff. There was nothing about it on RPM2night and just a miniblurb on Raceweek/Motorvision what ever the hell they're calling it now. I think he's right SWRT is just trying to keep him out of the 206 for testing and seeing what kind of cash they can get from Peugot. Richards is smart. Lots of publicity for the WRC. Burns aint no way gonna drive for SWRT and Richards aint gonna have the champ out of the series. This happend in MX like ten years ago. The champ won on a Honda but signed with Suzuki. Honda got an injuntion to keep him off the bike until they settled for some cash.
| XT6Wagon | 12-10-2001 05:26 PM |
Ok, If subaru does manage to block Burns, he will have two options sit on his ass for no money, or go racing for subaru and do his best. Think about it for a minute. He HAS to try his best as no team will want him if he can't produce on the "track". Doesn't matter if he is pissed at Subaru, he still has to show he can take the heat and do well. If he starts to do badly well, Subaru would bench him, and it would be unlikely that a top notch team would give him the number #1 seat next year, as he might pull the same stunt on them.
| johnfelstead | 12-10-2001 06:31 PM |
If my crystal ball ;) is correct then Burns should have told Prodrive today what he is going to do, and that is that he will stay with Subaru in 2002.
It should be public sometime in the next few days.
Of course it could have a crack in it. :lol:
It should be public sometime in the next few days.
Of course it could have a crack in it. :lol:
| JGard | 12-11-2001 10:05 AM |
looks like Burnsie is outta here...
[url]http://www.wrc.com/frames/article_f.asp?from=top&id=947[/url]
[url]http://www.wrc.com/frames/article_f.asp?from=top&id=947[/url]
| Thug | 12-11-2001 10:29 AM |
Odd that they dont have anything about that on [url]www.rally-live.com[/url]
they usually have the fastest/most accurate info. well, next to John that is :)
they usually have the fastest/most accurate info. well, next to John that is :)
| 10th Warrior | 12-11-2001 01:11 PM |
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/img/store/111201-110138A.jpg[/IMG]
hehe, and subie gal thnks he looks good :eek: ;)
hehe, and subie gal thnks he looks good :eek: ;)
| TimStevens | 12-11-2001 01:15 PM |
It's the car, women dig the car ;)
-tim
(and NO I'm not talking about his Camaro)
-tim
(and NO I'm not talking about his Camaro)
| lark6 | 12-11-2001 05:42 PM |
JGard18: Read the piece. I don't know UK law but the statement about the "contract's clause that he had to remain because he was World Champion [is] a restriction of trade" seems questionable. US state laws allow and uphold "noncompete clauses" in a number of situations where professional services are rendered, but there are a wide number of exceptions. One exception comes when there are only a limited number of people in the profession who can provide that particular type or level of service. In that case the clause amounts to the type of "restraint of trade" that Burns' lawyer claims SWRT's contract contains.
I don't know if "WRC circuit driver" falls in that category of specialized service, but as a WRC newbie it looks to me that the pool of drivers who swap seats during that silly season is a limited one. Not very many newcomers crack the top ranks in a given season.
Legal analysis aside, SWRT's attempt to keep Burns from Peugeot may amount to bad PR on their part, and most likely would keep Burns from ever appearing behind the wheel of a WRC Subaru in the future. Maybe that's not something SWRT cares about - I don't know: has there been a situation where a WRC driver left a team then returned some years later for more than a token apearance?
Ed
PS: John: even the best crystal balls need polishing once in a while. ;)
I don't know if "WRC circuit driver" falls in that category of specialized service, but as a WRC newbie it looks to me that the pool of drivers who swap seats during that silly season is a limited one. Not very many newcomers crack the top ranks in a given season.
Legal analysis aside, SWRT's attempt to keep Burns from Peugeot may amount to bad PR on their part, and most likely would keep Burns from ever appearing behind the wheel of a WRC Subaru in the future. Maybe that's not something SWRT cares about - I don't know: has there been a situation where a WRC driver left a team then returned some years later for more than a token apearance?
Ed
PS: John: even the best crystal balls need polishing once in a while. ;)
| johnfelstead | 12-11-2001 07:26 PM |
:lol:
We still dont know the score, it's all speculation. Amazing how not knowing something generates so much NEWS. :lol:
gonna be an interesting one for me for sure.
We still dont know the score, it's all speculation. Amazing how not knowing something generates so much NEWS. :lol:
gonna be an interesting one for me for sure.
| PURE EPI | 12-12-2001 09:07 AM |
I say to hell with him...
SEE YA BURNSY!! AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE A$$ ON THE WAY OUT!!. No gratitude anymore... They worked so hard to get his ass where he is.... ARRRRGGGGGGG God that makes me so mad....
| bliu | 12-12-2001 09:11 AM |
confirmed?
According to [URL=http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011211221731.shtml]Rally-Live[/URL] , [URL=http://www.crash.net/news_detail.asp?championship_id=4&news_id=30319&language_id=]Crash.net[/URL] , and the folks at scoobynet, Burns is gone for 2002. Of course, the terms are undisclosed for now. Is this the end to all the speculation? Or does the speculation turn to the terms of the settlement? Anybody think Burns is going to have to drive a Prodrive outfitted Pug?:p
| AaronBBrown | 12-12-2001 10:14 AM |
[url]http://www.swrt.com/news/frameset_news.asp?page=General_News.asp&article_id=105[/url]
[QUOTE]
Subaru's Richard Burns Statement 12 December
General News
12 December 2001
Summary
The Subaru World Rally Team announced today that it has reached an agreement with the British driver Richard Burns over his 2002 contract.
Following negotiations since the Rally of Great Britain, a settlement has been reached which releases Richard from his contractual obligations to Subaru.
The team is pleased that this matter is now resolved, and wishes Richard and Robert Reid well in their new endeavours.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Subaru's Richard Burns Statement 12 December
General News
12 December 2001
Summary
The Subaru World Rally Team announced today that it has reached an agreement with the British driver Richard Burns over his 2002 contract.
Following negotiations since the Rally of Great Britain, a settlement has been reached which releases Richard from his contractual obligations to Subaru.
The team is pleased that this matter is now resolved, and wishes Richard and Robert Reid well in their new endeavours.
[/QUOTE]
| SubEd | 12-12-2001 10:21 AM |
I wondered how much $$$ they settled for.
| johnfelstead | 12-12-2001 11:27 AM |
Looks like my balls are cracked and my instincts are right. :lol:
| motorob | 12-12-2001 03:06 PM |
John: Ouch.
I wonder if we'll ever have any reasonable idea how much money changed hands. Usually in these kinds of things a condition of the settlement is that the financial figures are kept secret.
I wonder if we'll ever have any reasonable idea how much money changed hands. Usually in these kinds of things a condition of the settlement is that the financial figures are kept secret.
| Shik | 12-12-2001 06:46 PM |
[quote]North America is obviously not the biggest market for Subaru and you would be surprised how many complete rally nuts there are in europe and elsewhere. [/quote]
Actually North America is one of Subaru's largest markets, if not the largest, in the world. As for being surprised about rally fans elsewhere in the world, maybe 10 years ago I was ;)
Very glad to see it's over. And I still don't think it will hurst Subaru's marketing one bit. Wait and see all the adds, decals, etc. that comes out. For many hard core rally fans, it might matter that Burns isn't with us anymore, but for most and for marketing purposes, I think the car that won the driver's championship means more then the driver himself.
Actually North America is one of Subaru's largest markets, if not the largest, in the world. As for being surprised about rally fans elsewhere in the world, maybe 10 years ago I was ;)
Very glad to see it's over. And I still don't think it will hurst Subaru's marketing one bit. Wait and see all the adds, decals, etc. that comes out. For many hard core rally fans, it might matter that Burns isn't with us anymore, but for most and for marketing purposes, I think the car that won the driver's championship means more then the driver himself.
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