| rupertberr | 06-11-2003 02:32 PM |
Montoya and Gordon swapping paint right now!
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Turn on Speedvision now! Gordon looking good in the F1 car. Montoya flat spotted the right front tire of the stock car. He's grinning. Looks fun.
| Orion | 06-11-2003 02:38 PM |
that was pretty cool. i missed Juan in the WC car early on. it will be interesting if they start doing this with other series!
| rupertberr | 06-11-2003 02:40 PM |
Oh well. Must have caught the last few minutes. Didn't hear all the times but Gordon ran a 1:16 after only a handful of laps. That's only three seconds slower then Montoya's fastest lap during last year's race.
| Orion | 06-11-2003 03:00 PM |
according to my digital cable, it will re-air tonight at 7 and midnight Eastern time. looks like it will be edited by 1/2 hr. though.
Jeff had a 1:16:2x if I remember correctly. He would have needed another 1/2-3/4 second to make the field for last year's race and not get excluded by the 107% rule. Schumi has a 1:10:xx for last year's pole.
Jeff had a 1:16:2x if I remember correctly. He would have needed another 1/2-3/4 second to make the field for last year's race and not get excluded by the 107% rule. Schumi has a 1:10:xx for last year's pole.
| rupertberr | 06-11-2003 03:19 PM |
He would have needed another 1/2-3/4 second to make the field for last year's race and not get excluded by the 107% rule. Schumi has a 1:10:xx for last year's pole.
Considering the car was on a safe set up and Jeff didn't have two days to dial it in I am still impressed.
Too bad there wasn't a bench mark for Montoya. I have a feeling he would do fine at Sears Point or Watkins Glen in the big car.
Considering the car was on a safe set up and Jeff didn't have two days to dial it in I am still impressed.
Too bad there wasn't a bench mark for Montoya. I have a feeling he would do fine at Sears Point or Watkins Glen in the big car.
| Opie | 06-11-2003 03:58 PM |
Impressive indeed! Can't wait to catch it when I get home tonight!
| grandpa rex | 06-11-2003 07:19 PM |
I thught that the best part was the interaction between Larry McReynolds and Steve Matchett. Classic.
When JPM was in his first stint in the WC car, I thought McReynolds mentioned that he was about 1 second off Gordon's times during car set-up in the morning.
Considering that the Williams was probably set up to avoid any sort of major problem, (rather than speed), I'm double impressed that Gordon's times were what they were.
Now, here's the question: since the announcers admitted that this was a pubicity stunt aimed at selling tickets for the Brickyard 400 and the Indy F1, how bad are the ticket sales to date?
When JPM was in his first stint in the WC car, I thought McReynolds mentioned that he was about 1 second off Gordon's times during car set-up in the morning.
Considering that the Williams was probably set up to avoid any sort of major problem, (rather than speed), I'm double impressed that Gordon's times were what they were.
Now, here's the question: since the announcers admitted that this was a pubicity stunt aimed at selling tickets for the Brickyard 400 and the Indy F1, how bad are the ticket sales to date?
| Kostamojen | 06-12-2003 03:14 AM |
See, I told you guys Gordon has skills :p
| grandpa rex | 06-12-2003 07:06 AM |
Best times in the WC car: Gordon 1:38.8, JPM 1:39.9
In the williams: Montoya 1:15.2, Gordon 1:16.5.
Startlingly close, IMHO
In the williams: Montoya 1:15.2, Gordon 1:16.5.
Startlingly close, IMHO
| Dr. WOT | 06-12-2003 08:17 AM |
I thought it was great. The best part by far was Gordon's reaction to being in the F1 car. We're so used to seeing these jaded too-cool-for-the-whole-thing formula one drivers that is was a revelation to see someone set out of the car with some enthusiasm. He was also being a really good sport when interviewed about the cars and how obviously F1 cars are far more advanced. I gained a lot of respect for JG, especially due to his lap times in a car that was running tons of wing.
| Suba Fett | 06-12-2003 08:51 AM |
I also had fun listening to the commentators -
"Twang"
"British accent"
"Twang"
"British accent"
Gordon got the better of the deal. Like they said, compared to the Winston Cup car, the F1 car was a F-16. I don't really care for NASCAR but I do have a little more respect for them after watching the show.
"Twang"
"British accent"
"Twang"
"British accent"
Gordon got the better of the deal. Like they said, compared to the Winston Cup car, the F1 car was a F-16. I don't really care for NASCAR but I do have a little more respect for them after watching the show.
| Bonzo | 06-12-2003 09:37 AM |
dag nabbit:mad: I missed it! I was soo looking forward to seeing this. I checked thru Saturday and did'nt see it scheduled. I'll just have keep checking.
As for the results I am not suprised they both did well. They are both professional race car drivers.
As for the results I am not suprised they both did well. They are both professional race car drivers.
| OnTheGas | 06-12-2003 11:18 AM |
Caught The Replay Last Nite!
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That was fantastic!!
Just fun stuff to watch... Gordon was impressive, a true racer... Plus his boyish giddiness when he pulled the helmet off after his first stint was fun to watch... I imagine anyone one of us would have the same reaction as Jeffy, if we were allowed such a fantastic op.
I'm glad they did that.
Anyone remember which other winston cup racer was in a CART car at so called "spring training" in Sebring earlier this year? He was able to turn fast laps as well, if I recall correctly!
Just fun stuff to watch... Gordon was impressive, a true racer... Plus his boyish giddiness when he pulled the helmet off after his first stint was fun to watch... I imagine anyone one of us would have the same reaction as Jeffy, if we were allowed such a fantastic op.
I'm glad they did that.
Anyone remember which other winston cup racer was in a CART car at so called "spring training" in Sebring earlier this year? He was able to turn fast laps as well, if I recall correctly!
| HoRo1 | 06-12-2003 12:20 PM |
I hate to rain on the Jeff Gordon fan club's parade here, but his times should be good, he's a full-time professional race car driver, a 4-time Winston Cup champion and he's also one of the few NASCAR drivers that is comfortable on a road course. I have no doubt that Gordon would be a competent F1 driver in the Frentzen, Panis, Verstappen mould.
Nice photo op. I loved the fact that during a post-session interview in the garage he hastily put on his sunglasses. I have to hand it to NASCAR for being THE best at promoting their sport and their drivers. I'm struggling to see what Williams gained from this circus, although I'm sure that an F1 promo for Indy was the goal. Was the F1 race crowd at capacity last year?
Nice photo op. I loved the fact that during a post-session interview in the garage he hastily put on his sunglasses. I have to hand it to NASCAR for being THE best at promoting their sport and their drivers. I'm struggling to see what Williams gained from this circus, although I'm sure that an F1 promo for Indy was the goal. Was the F1 race crowd at capacity last year?
| jprowland | 06-12-2003 12:26 PM |
I liked when they mentioned something you'll probably never hear Montoya say...
"This thang's pushin' like a dump truck!"
:)
"This thang's pushin' like a dump truck!"
:)
| jprowland | 06-12-2003 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HoRo1 [/i]
[B]Nice photo op. I loved the fact that during a post-session interview in the garage he hastily put on his sunglasses. I have to hand it to NASCAR for being THE best at promoting their sport and their drivers. I'm struggling to see what Williams gained from this circus, although I'm sure that an F1 promo for Indy was the goal. Was the F1 race crowd at capacity last year? [/B][/QUOTE]
BMW paid for the spot on Speed. They're getting brand advertisement out of it.
[B]Nice photo op. I loved the fact that during a post-session interview in the garage he hastily put on his sunglasses. I have to hand it to NASCAR for being THE best at promoting their sport and their drivers. I'm struggling to see what Williams gained from this circus, although I'm sure that an F1 promo for Indy was the goal. Was the F1 race crowd at capacity last year? [/B][/QUOTE]
BMW paid for the spot on Speed. They're getting brand advertisement out of it.
| Bonzo | 06-12-2003 01:16 PM |
the first year at F1 indy had the biggest attendance and did not sell out. It has declined slightly each year after.
| Rattler | 06-12-2003 04:06 PM |
I figured JG to be an excellent driver after he won Race Of Champions (Canary Is. one, not IROC) last year. It wasn't that big of a surprise for me to see him do that well. Jeff even stated that he(Jeff) got the better end of the deal. I also liked how he was saying he was almost getting dizzy when he would brake. JPM did say he liked the motor in the WC car.
| WRX03 | 06-12-2003 04:41 PM |
:D I attended and was just expecting to just watch the cars go around and maybe some general commendatory on the PA. BUT what you watching and listening to on Speed was also on the tracks big screen and PA. Talking live and big screen TV, all in one. :cool:
| HoRo1 | 06-12-2003 07:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jprowland [/i]
[B]
BMW paid for the spot on Speed. They're getting brand advertisement out of it. [/B][/QUOTE]
WOW! If that was shown twice, nationwide, in 2-60 minute segments they paid at least...let's see here...$600K. And the images that I remember most are JPM flatspotting Gordon's "Chevy" right front, oh yeah, and the Du Pont logos all over Gordon.
I just thought that it might have been an contractual obligation for the Monaco winner to go promote the F1 Indy race as it is not as successful as it might be.
[B]
BMW paid for the spot on Speed. They're getting brand advertisement out of it. [/B][/QUOTE]
WOW! If that was shown twice, nationwide, in 2-60 minute segments they paid at least...let's see here...$600K. And the images that I remember most are JPM flatspotting Gordon's "Chevy" right front, oh yeah, and the Du Pont logos all over Gordon.
I just thought that it might have been an contractual obligation for the Monaco winner to go promote the F1 Indy race as it is not as successful as it might be.
| RichQY | 06-13-2003 01:37 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rattler [/i]
[B]I figured JG to be an excellent driver after he won Race Of Champions (Canary Is. one, not IROC) last year. It wasn't that big of a surprise for me to see him do that well. Jeff even stated that he(Jeff) got the better end of the deal. I also liked how he was saying he was almost getting dizzy when he would brake. JPM did say he liked the motor in the WC car. [/B][/QUOTE]yup!!
Jeff is da man!
i heard he used to do Sand Bugggies when he was a kid
and he loves rally..
beat some WRC driver at their own game
[B]I figured JG to be an excellent driver after he won Race Of Champions (Canary Is. one, not IROC) last year. It wasn't that big of a surprise for me to see him do that well. Jeff even stated that he(Jeff) got the better end of the deal. I also liked how he was saying he was almost getting dizzy when he would brake. JPM did say he liked the motor in the WC car. [/B][/QUOTE]yup!!
Jeff is da man!
i heard he used to do Sand Bugggies when he was a kid
and he loves rally..
beat some WRC driver at their own game
| jmott | 06-13-2003 11:26 AM |
come on
all the haters who thought Gordon would suck in the F1 car need to post apologies!
all the haters who thought Gordon would suck in the F1 car need to post apologies!
| dmitrik4 | 06-13-2003 11:39 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RichQY [/i]
[B]yup!!
Jeff is da man!
i heard he used to do Sand Bugggies when he was a kid
and he loves rally..
beat some WRC driver at their own game [/B][/QUOTE]
i read an article about that in C&D a few months ago. there's some crazy rally competition in eurpoe (organized by michelle mouton) with teams form different countries competing in rally cars and buggies. JG was on the US team that won it last time, and he said he had a blast...he was also pretty good. can't remember the other two guys...one was a superbike rider, tho.
marcus cleaned up in his events (surprisingly;) ).
[B]yup!!
Jeff is da man!
i heard he used to do Sand Bugggies when he was a kid
and he loves rally..
beat some WRC driver at their own game [/B][/QUOTE]
i read an article about that in C&D a few months ago. there's some crazy rally competition in eurpoe (organized by michelle mouton) with teams form different countries competing in rally cars and buggies. JG was on the US team that won it last time, and he said he had a blast...he was also pretty good. can't remember the other two guys...one was a superbike rider, tho.
marcus cleaned up in his events (surprisingly;) ).
| jaybird | 06-13-2003 01:27 PM |
I can't believe I missed it. :( I'm not at all at NASCAR fan but, I've always sort of dug JG.
IIRC it was Robby "Flash" Gordon (no relation) the WC, SCORE Buggy/Truck, IRL, CART, IMSA star that kicked but in the Race Of Champions a couple years ago. I think he has diven Gronholm's 206WRC at PR event as well.
IIRC it was Robby "Flash" Gordon (no relation) the WC, SCORE Buggy/Truck, IRL, CART, IMSA star that kicked but in the Race Of Champions a couple years ago. I think he has diven Gronholm's 206WRC at PR event as well.
| Rattler | 06-13-2003 03:50 PM |
Jeff Gordon was part of the team that won the Nations Cup this past year. Robby Gordon was at it the year before and was smoking fast but he flipped his car and it caught on fire.
[url]http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm[/url]
Robby is still my favorite Gordon:
[url]http://www.robbygordonoffroad.com/cgi-bin/ImageFolio31/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Events/Glamis_2001&image=glamis_2001_38.jpg&img=&tt=[/url]
[url]http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm[/url]
Robby is still my favorite Gordon:
[url]http://www.robbygordonoffroad.com/cgi-bin/ImageFolio31/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Events/Glamis_2001&image=glamis_2001_38.jpg&img=&tt=[/url]
| OnTheGas | 06-14-2003 08:23 PM |
Gordon Too Expensive for Williams
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[quote][i]From [url]http://www.atlasf1.com/grapevine/[/url][/i]
[b]Saturday June 14th, 2003
NASCAR's Jeff Gordon showed an impressive turn of speed in a Formula One car swap at Indianapolis this week but Williams' regular driver Juan Pablo Montoya has nothing to fear.
Team boss Frank Williams mixed praise with awe at the Canadian Grand Prix on Friday as he passed judgement on the US driver's salary and performance in his car two days earlier.
"The reports I have received from those present were that he is a really, really good driver, that he was unafraid of the car," Williams said. "We were truly - and not for the benefit of any North Americans here - very, very impressed. The good news is that he is very, very quick. The bad news is that we can't afford him.
"He is a winning NASCAR driver and his earnings, I am told, are out of sight ... but I should say on behalf of all my colleagues here, we would all love to have a world class US driver in a Grand Prix team."[/b][/quote]
[b]Saturday June 14th, 2003
NASCAR's Jeff Gordon showed an impressive turn of speed in a Formula One car swap at Indianapolis this week but Williams' regular driver Juan Pablo Montoya has nothing to fear.
Team boss Frank Williams mixed praise with awe at the Canadian Grand Prix on Friday as he passed judgement on the US driver's salary and performance in his car two days earlier.
"The reports I have received from those present were that he is a really, really good driver, that he was unafraid of the car," Williams said. "We were truly - and not for the benefit of any North Americans here - very, very impressed. The good news is that he is very, very quick. The bad news is that we can't afford him.
"He is a winning NASCAR driver and his earnings, I am told, are out of sight ... but I should say on behalf of all my colleagues here, we would all love to have a world class US driver in a Grand Prix team."[/b][/quote]
| Bonzo | 06-14-2003 09:05 PM |
^^^^ ^^^^^^
that's good:D
how true tho.
that's good:D
how true tho.
| Bonzo | 06-17-2003 09:26 AM |
got to watch it last night.:)
Pretty darn cool pub stunt. Jeff definately got the better end of the car deal, but a big hp v-8 is pretty impressive too.
Jeff also had the more difficult crossover path. He ran a road course totally new to him. If JPM ran the oval against Jeff's times their would have been a much bigger time difference.
they said Jeff practiced IndyRC on the comp with some race sims:D Hmm I just finished a race there.
Overall great show. They should do more.
Pretty darn cool pub stunt. Jeff definately got the better end of the car deal, but a big hp v-8 is pretty impressive too.
Jeff also had the more difficult crossover path. He ran a road course totally new to him. If JPM ran the oval against Jeff's times their would have been a much bigger time difference.
they said Jeff practiced IndyRC on the comp with some race sims:D Hmm I just finished a race there.
Overall great show. They should do more.
| StuBeck | 06-17-2003 11:12 AM |
Just remember that Juan did run the Indy 500, so I think that with the oval car it would have ben a much less difference between the two.
| gtguy | 06-17-2003 11:59 AM |
That was really an enjoyable show, IMHO, and quite the publicity stunt, but a successful one (though not in ad sales...did anyone notice the same ads during every break, and a LOT of Speed Channel ads?).
Gordon definitely got the better of the deal, and what was interesting was that both drivers showed lots of promise, and looked to be setting in to their respective swaps. Both are naturals, and had a great time.
Times don't count for much, because it was last year's Williams, and Gordon's car had the "wuss settings" for Montoya. Once they tightened the car up for him, he was quite a bit faster. Gordon apparently got a lot of electronic help from the Williams programming techs.
Both guys are fast, and I would have loved to have been there.
Kevin
Gordon definitely got the better of the deal, and what was interesting was that both drivers showed lots of promise, and looked to be setting in to their respective swaps. Both are naturals, and had a great time.
Times don't count for much, because it was last year's Williams, and Gordon's car had the "wuss settings" for Montoya. Once they tightened the car up for him, he was quite a bit faster. Gordon apparently got a lot of electronic help from the Williams programming techs.
Both guys are fast, and I would have loved to have been there.
Kevin
| Leonardo | 06-17-2003 12:45 PM |
Yeah, Jeff said that the car was shifting automaticly but he had to downshift manually.
It was fun seing their heds bob back and forth as they shifted
If Montoya went over, it would be the first Latin in the "redneck sport" sorda like Tiger Woods when he started:lol: I haven't seen a black guy racing there and when they pan the camera in the crouds, well, let's leave it at that!
Leo:lol:
It was fun seing their heds bob back and forth as they shifted
If Montoya went over, it would be the first Latin in the "redneck sport" sorda like Tiger Woods when he started:lol: I haven't seen a black guy racing there and when they pan the camera in the crouds, well, let's leave it at that!
Leo:lol:
| Bonzo | 06-17-2003 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by StuBeck [/i]
[B]Just remember that Juan did run the Indy 500, so I think that with the oval car it would have ben a much less difference between the two. [/B][/QUOTE]
oops forgot, good point. but he ws still in a "planted" high downforce car.
Jeff did say he would like some of the understeer tuned out so he could go out and "drive" the car to clsoer to its potential. I did noticed he was pushing pretty bad.
[B]Just remember that Juan did run the Indy 500, so I think that with the oval car it would have ben a much less difference between the two. [/B][/QUOTE]
oops forgot, good point. but he ws still in a "planted" high downforce car.
Jeff did say he would like some of the understeer tuned out so he could go out and "drive" the car to clsoer to its potential. I did noticed he was pushing pretty bad.
| OnTheGas | 06-17-2003 02:30 PM |
Latino's In Cup
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leonardo [/i]
[B]If Montoya went over, it would be the first Latin in the "redneck sport"...[/B][/QUOTE]Christian Fittipaldi is in winston cup as of last weekend...
[B]If Montoya went over, it would be the first Latin in the "redneck sport"...[/B][/QUOTE]Christian Fittipaldi is in winston cup as of last weekend...
| Subayai WRX | 06-17-2003 09:15 PM |
It was an awesome show to watch, and hopefully they will do a lot more cross-overs, like WRC to Winston, etc..
No matter what it really shows the level of Jeff Gordon's racing abilities. If you remember the first time of off'ed it, he later said that he got on the brakes way to early. Go figure on the brakes early, and he loses it. The next lap he said he broke much later before the turn!! Now that is some real kohonas, do the exact opposite of what your mind would tells you, which is very much racing.
Montoya must have felt like he was driving his daddy's Cady on steriods. And when did WC engines start putting out 900HP :eek:
I still believe that Jeff Gordon is head and shoulders above the majority of NASCAR tabacco chewing gold-ol'boys, and would explain how quickly he adapted to such a foriegn environment. But underneath the skills that make a good driver are universal.
No matter what it really shows the level of Jeff Gordon's racing abilities. If you remember the first time of off'ed it, he later said that he got on the brakes way to early. Go figure on the brakes early, and he loses it. The next lap he said he broke much later before the turn!! Now that is some real kohonas, do the exact opposite of what your mind would tells you, which is very much racing.
Montoya must have felt like he was driving his daddy's Cady on steriods. And when did WC engines start putting out 900HP :eek:
I still believe that Jeff Gordon is head and shoulders above the majority of NASCAR tabacco chewing gold-ol'boys, and would explain how quickly he adapted to such a foriegn environment. But underneath the skills that make a good driver are universal.
| Kostamojen | 06-18-2003 03:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bonzo [/i]
[B]they said Jeff practiced IndyRC on the comp with some race sims:D
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I do this too before I auto-x :p Actually works, gets me "in the zone" faster :p
[B]they said Jeff practiced IndyRC on the comp with some race sims:D
[/B][/QUOTE]
I do this too before I auto-x :p Actually works, gets me "in the zone" faster :p
| Bonzo | 06-18-2003 09:33 AM |
I now know 2 ppl (one of em here, TimS) that after racing sims they went out this year and tottaly kicked ass in auto-x. As opposed to previous years they were mid pack.
IMO for learning tracks it would help immensely. I believe it also helps with smoothness, line choice and line discipline.
IMO for learning tracks it would help immensely. I believe it also helps with smoothness, line choice and line discipline.
| StuBeck | 06-18-2003 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subayai WRX [/i]
[B]
Montoya must have felt like he was driving his daddy's Cady on steriods. And when did WC engines start putting out 900HP :eek:
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They "only" make 800 actually.
[B]
Montoya must have felt like he was driving his daddy's Cady on steriods. And when did WC engines start putting out 900HP :eek:
[/B][/QUOTE]
They "only" make 800 actually.
| Kostamojen | 06-19-2003 04:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bonzo [/i]
[B]I believe it also helps with smoothness, line choice and line discipline. [/B][/QUOTE]
It definatly helps with developing your line. Helps me the most with my brake timing and most of all with my visual reaction time...
There was actuall a study on action games and the effects of them on the National News a few weeks ago mentioning how Action games (racing games included) give users faster reaction times to visual stimulus. They didnt mention anything about actual profesional race drivers though, as it was just a sort of side study some laboratory scientist did after noticing it during another study.
[B]I believe it also helps with smoothness, line choice and line discipline. [/B][/QUOTE]
It definatly helps with developing your line. Helps me the most with my brake timing and most of all with my visual reaction time...
There was actuall a study on action games and the effects of them on the National News a few weeks ago mentioning how Action games (racing games included) give users faster reaction times to visual stimulus. They didnt mention anything about actual profesional race drivers though, as it was just a sort of side study some laboratory scientist did after noticing it during another study.
| Leonardo | 06-19-2003 11:34 AM |
Tony Stewart is another good driver!
THere is a guy that races one class of cars on Saturday and is flown for the WC race for Sunday. What is the other car he races, daytona protorypes in the ALM series?
I'd like to see him in a Rally car!!!
THere is a guy that races one class of cars on Saturday and is flown for the WC race for Sunday. What is the other car he races, daytona protorypes in the ALM series?
I'd like to see him in a Rally car!!!
| Rattler | 06-24-2003 10:16 PM |
It must be catching on at Ford:
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/008/2003_R_DE_JordanWRC.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/008/2003_R_DE_JordanWRC.htm[/url]
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