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My homemade rear air diffuser... part 1

CLR4ILS 04-26-2006 07:29 PM

My homemade rear air diffuser...
Alright I posted on another one my plans and now I finished it and to be honest, it looks pretty bad(not in a cool way). It was pretty much a waste of money and I really need to work on my fiberglassing skills. If the fiberglass job was done better, it might look decent, because it mounted up and looked alright, but as my wife said, "That looks like a 10 year old's school project." Let me know what you guys think...

[img]http://media.csh.rit.edu/subaru/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=451&g2_serialNumber=2 [/img]

[img]http://media.csh.rit.edu/subaru/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=457&g2_serialNumber=2 [/img]

[img]http://media.csh.rit.edu/subaru/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=454&g2_serialNumber=2 [/img]

I forgot to put on this that I only put it on for the Pics and took it for for a quick test drive, [SIZE=5]THEN I IMMEDIATELY TOOK IT OFF[/SIZE] because I do have taste and realized that it looks pretty bad.
silver-RS 04-26-2006 07:32 PM

idea is good
but u must be joking when u actually put it on ur car...
it looks horrible

stick out too far...
and the finish is horrible...

pls re-do it
u have the STI
not a 82 hyundai...
file_id 04-26-2006 07:33 PM

Listen to your wife.
nate49509 04-26-2006 07:34 PM

You should take that off before your car is in the "rice" thread. It's pretty nasty.
spit_heron 04-26-2006 07:34 PM

your a braver man than most for posting up pics of a project gone horribly, horribly wrong.
digitalboy40 04-26-2006 07:34 PM

i guess it's not bad for a first try, but as they say 'practice makes perfect.' here's my 3 issues with it: (1) i don't think it looks good sticking out past the bumper, (2) you should have sanded it all down and made it smooth so when you painted it it would have looked much nicer, and (3) work on a better solution for aesthetic purposes.
White 2.5rs 04-26-2006 07:38 PM

make it in solid works, make it smaller, make it out of steel and water jet cut/welded, and have it POWDERCOATED black, possibly wider, and i think itd look nice
MannyMohawk#5 04-26-2006 07:49 PM

not everyone has a water jet in the garage
STi-JDM 04-26-2006 07:57 PM

eewwww..... :lol: it sticks out too much, but your idea is pretty good :)
NallanRex 04-26-2006 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=White 2.5rs]make it in solid works, make it smaller, make it out of steel and water jet cut/welded, and have it POWDERCOATED black, possibly wider, and i think itd look nice[/QUOTE]


If you dont have access to a water jet and have a lot of time on your hands a hacksaw and a file would work. :p
CLR4ILS 04-26-2006 08:07 PM

the hacksaw didn't work worth anything. I trimed the edges with a dremel which is the only saw I have access to. I'm leaving it off until I feel like trying it with something like aluminum if I can get access to anything that would cut it nicely. Thanks to those who gave me a little advice on the fiberglass it's a real pain to do.
Seth
veightkiller 04-26-2006 08:23 PM

your diffuser is sticking out to much.just smooth it out and shave the fins a bit.just my .02
gnarlyWRX 04-26-2006 08:33 PM

nice try. i am being 100% serious. you have some nuts to try something like that and post it but really man take it off stat. trim it and clean it up a little and then maybe put it back on but until then.....
Ryan
wrxzboost 04-26-2006 08:39 PM

honestly...not trying to be a douche, but if i saw your car in the parking lot i'd step on it and do you a favor.
Evil STI 04-26-2006 08:45 PM

I think I would risk being charged with aggravated assault if I ever saw that on someone's STi.

But I do give props for someone willing to try and make something on their own.
White 2.5rs 04-26-2006 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=NallanRex]If you dont have access to a water jet and have a lot of time on your hands a hacksaw and a file would work. :p[/QUOTE]

it is NOT hard to get access to one, call a metal fab shop, your town should have 5+
sniece 04-26-2006 08:52 PM

Big points to you for doing this, but like a lot of other people have said, it sticks out way too much, good prototype, but give it another go. Has anyone looked at how much downforce benefit you realistically get from a diffuser, even at (excessive) highway speeds, and even if your car is lowered to a point where it's still somewhat practical? I'm just thinking that there's still so much turbulence going on under the car at reasonable ride heights, on a vehicle without a flat bottom, that you're not going to gain much.

I can believe that the front splitters have some benefit, but it also works on a different aerodynamic concept. Now, what if you had a splitter on the rear that worked kinda similar to the one on the front...like this Hamann piece for the Cooper S.

[IMG]http://new.minimania.com/imagesbig/nma4904.jpg[/IMG]

Not sure how something like this would translate to the WRX style wise, but just a thought.

Steve
CLR4ILS 04-26-2006 10:38 PM

Well thanks for some of the positive help, believe me it's not going back on the car, just something I have been thinking about trying. I may check into metal fab( my only problem being that there are going to be a lot rocks and stuff scratching it and therefore might think that it would rust prematurely) but for now I've already poured enough money into this project. I also think it's funny that more people are on this and quicker to flame then to give helpful suggestions. Oh well I gave it a try.
White 2.5rs 04-26-2006 11:04 PM

You can always go stainless :)
txl146 04-26-2006 11:07 PM

[QUOTE=silver-RS]idea is good
but u must be joking when u actually put it on ur car...
it looks horrible

stick out too far...
and the finish is horrible...

pls re-do it
u have the STI
not a 82 hyundai...[/QUOTE]

Hyundai didn't sell cars in 82. :)
rst4me 04-26-2006 11:23 PM

cut it back to flush with the rear plate
take about 1-1 1/2" off the hight of the fins.
taper and round the corners of the fins.
ditch the wife (shes too honest)
and spend a lot of time with a 'long board' sanding it smooth
repaint and your golden like a shower!
silver-RS 04-26-2006 11:59 PM

[QUOTE=txl146]Hyundai didn't sell cars in 82. :)[/QUOTE]

lol.....u r the only one who point it out
NallanRex 04-27-2006 12:02 AM

[QUOTE=White 2.5rs]it is NOT hard to get access to one, call a metal fab shop, your town should have 5+[/QUOTE]

Isnt that expensive? Wouldnt it be cheaper to have a shop make it on a manual mill? Im not trying to be a jerk i just think it would be expensive for a one of deal. When i took my Manufacturing course they allways stressed how expensive one of a kind pieces are to make on cnc machines. And at work if their is only two or three pices of something were not gaurenteed to make again, and its not that complecated we just make it on the manual machines. I dont belive they have manual water jets but i could be wrong. :)
rst4me 04-27-2006 12:32 AM

[QUOTE=NallanRex]Isnt that expensive? Wouldnt it be cheaper to have a shop make it on a manual mill? Im not trying to be a jerk i just think it would be expensive for a one of deal. When i took my Manufacturing course they allways stressed how expensive one of a kind pieces are to make on cnc machines. And at work if their is only two or three pices of something were not gaurenteed to make again, and its not that complecated we just make it on the manual machines. I dont belive they have manual water jets but i could be wrong. :)[/QUOTE]
Not to mention the big f-ing slab of metal youd have to buy for a blank.
No, composit is def, the way to go on this project. I think you just need to proportion it down a bit so it sticks out less (both phisically and asthetically).
your on the right track just keep playing with it, youll get the right look eventually.
dbarnblatt 04-27-2006 01:27 AM

[QUOTE=CLR4ILS]Well thanks for some of the positive help, believe me it's not going back on the car, just something I have been thinking about trying. I may check into metal fab( my only problem being that there are going to be a lot rocks and stuff scratching it and therefore might think that it would rust prematurely) but for now I've already poured enough money into this project. I also think it's funny that more people are on this and quicker to flame then to give helpful suggestions. Oh well I gave it a try.[/QUOTE]

Dude, the factory one is friggin $77.00. I hope your time is worth more than that! Because it looks like you could have saved yourself alot of trouble.

[IMG]https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/images/sti-rear-diffuser.JPG[/IMG]
rst4me 04-27-2006 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=dbarnblatt]Dude, the factory one is friggin $77.00. I hope your time is worth more than that! Because it looks like you could have saved yourself alot of trouble.

[IMG]https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/images/sti-rear-diffuser.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
this way is more fun :D
v8eaterWRX 04-27-2006 01:35 AM

coolest diffuser eVar! will make your teh fastarrrrrr!


in all seriousness, just glad you spared the scooby and took it off!


no ghetto diffuser > teh suck


buy the factory one, or make one out of t6 if you want something custom.... ;)
Jonnyfilmboy 04-27-2006 02:24 AM

Well, I know when "they" make Carbon Fiber panels, they usually lay them out on a piece of glass to get them really smooth. Maybe you can do that with your fiberglass to get smoother panels. Then combine the panels with glue or screws. Use a belt sander in a vice and round off the edges to a radius that you draw on them with a large cup or something.

I wish I knew more about how to do this sort of thing. I've seen CF tubes made online and it looks easy as hell and fun.

It stuck too far out behind the car. I think I know the look you are going for, but it doesn't work on a street car. I've seen the diffusers on the backs of the Lambo Murcielago R-GT that stuck out really far:

[img]http://www.qv500.com/Lamborghini%20Murcielago%20P5%203.jpg[/img]

Check out this RevoSport diffuser for the Ferrari F430. It's really just a collection of four slats connected to a curved panel. Their curved panel is a bit more complex than something that would work for the Impreza, but maybe it will give you some more ideas about the design. I'd go for complete width of the car, or close to it. And if you need to stick it out past the edge of the car, finish all the edges:
[img]http://www.revozport.com/webpics/FERRARI/F430/Diffuser%20Fins/IMG_0752.JPG[/img]

[img]http://www.revozport.com/webpics/FERRARI/F430/Diffuser%20Fins/IMG_1792.JPG[/img]

[img]http://www.revozport.com/webpics/FERRARI/F430/Diffuser%20Fins/F430_press-diffuser.jpg[/img]
flyinEyeball 04-27-2006 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=txl146]Hyundai didn't sell cars in 82. :)[/QUOTE]

Oh yes they did... Just not in the US

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Pony"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Pony[/url]
VpointVick 04-27-2006 08:37 AM

[QUOTE=NallanRex]Isnt that expensive? Wouldnt it be cheaper to have a shop make it on a manual mill? Im not trying to be a jerk i just think it would be expensive for a one of deal. When i took my Manufacturing course they allways stressed how expensive one of a kind pieces are to make on cnc machines. And at work if their is only two or three pices of something were not gaurenteed to make again, and its not that complecated we just make it on the manual machines. I dont belive they have manual water jets but i could be wrong. :)[/QUOTE]

Waterjet is virtually [i]made[/i] for one off parts. Most of the cost will be in programming time but it still shouldn't be too bad.

[QUOTE=rst4me]Not to mention the big f-ing slab of metal youd have to buy for a blank. [/QUOTE]

Not many places that do waterjet or laser will charge you for a full sheet unless its a material that they wouldn't normally use. He shouldn't have a problem if he has the parts made from 6061, any shop worth their salt will use most any thickness of 6061 everyday.
ekw 04-27-2006 09:00 AM

i still applaud your effort, and think that for a first effort, it went ok.
(not usable, but I am sure you learned a lot from the process)
you may have noticed from your other thread that the guys who have made stuff
offered advice and constructive criticism, and most everyone else just criticized.

if you saw the brcewane thread w/ the Evo type gauge set up, you may have noticed how folks were quick to mock and call it a hack-job when he showed the beginning of the project. then at the end, people wanted to buy one from him!

I have to agree w/ the person who pointed ourt that the OEM piece is not very expensive, so it leves you w/ a nice fallback position.
BUT - small projects are the best way to start, so trying to make a diffuser is a good way to get your feet wet and build your skills.

don't get frustrated, and don't let the usual chorus of naysayers discourage you.
learn from your mistakes, modify your design & move on.
it took guts & initiative to make the attempt, and even more guts to post it here when it didn't work out. :-)

because of the thin 'vanes' on the diffuser this tip will not help much,
but for some other projects, the pink or blue foam insulation sheets are very useful
for prototypes, mock-ups and sometimes molds.
easy to cut w/ utility knife and shape w/ sandpaper, it is cheap (~$6 for 2'x8' x 1/2")
and readily available at Home Depot, etc.
CLR4ILS 04-27-2006 10:44 AM

the only thing with the 06 diffuser is the vanes are basically nil, plus you have to get all kinds of mounting brakcets and welds to even make it fit an 04 sti. I didn't think 77 bucks was much because I've spent well over that with mine but then you have to add in the cost of modding your car to actually make it fit, because the 04 doesn't have anything to mount it to. Thanks again, and yeah there are definitely some things I'm going to do differently, What if I don't even use the fiberglass next time and just make like cookie molds and fill that in, making the strakes seperately then putting them all together. Just an idea, but I may just do aluminum with lots of layers of paint or something. Alright thanks again for the suggestions.
VpointVick 04-27-2006 10:48 AM

You don't [i]have[/i] to use that Cusco front brace to mount the '06 piece, you can drill two holes in your spare tire well and make some spacers from PVC. No welding required.
White 2.5rs 04-27-2006 11:08 AM

if you guys think its so expensive, go get a quote, its pretty reasonable

and no, cutting shapes like that on a mill is pointless compared to using a waterjet/edm
Cartwright 04-27-2006 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=CLR4ILS]but as my wife said, "That looks like a 10 year old's school project."
[/QUOTE]

:lol: Your wife is hilarious.
LA 04-27-2006 11:38 AM

ewwwww
rage13 04-27-2006 02:23 PM

Are you just going for the look, because a diffuser will be pretty much useless (functionality wise) on a street car. You would probably benefit more by just making panels to cover the underside of the car, therefore reducing the turbelance of the air flow under the car. Oh, and I salute your effort on a rather ambitious project.
VpointVick 04-27-2006 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=rage13]You would probably benefit more by just making panels to cover the underside of the car, therefore reducing the turbelance of the air flow under the car.[/QUOTE]
Like the ones used on the '06 STI? Those can be purchased relatively cheaply.
jimtweet 04-27-2006 07:46 PM

im sorry man but see if you can sell it to this kid

[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/gsxdacy/cavfmic.jpg[/IMG]

take a closer look... :eek:
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/gsxdacy/cavfmic2.jpg[/IMG]

speechless :confused:

anyway, please take that thing off your car, you have a sti, a rather expensive car, dont junk it up with stuff like that :furious:
jettore 04-27-2006 07:56 PM

Your time would have been better spent washing your car.

+1 for the effort though.
03boxer4 04-27-2006 08:14 PM

My girlfriend thgouth you welded a trailer step onto your car... gotta admit, it does resemble one... :lol:
[IMG]http://media.csh.rit.edu/subaru/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=451&g2_serialNumber=2[/IMG]
rst4me 04-27-2006 08:25 PM

[QUOTE=VpointVick]Waterjet is virtually [i]made[/i] for one off parts. Most of the cost will be in programming time but it still shouldn't be too bad.



Not many places that do waterjet or laser will charge you for a full sheet unless its a material that they wouldn't normally use. He shouldn't have a problem if he has the parts made from 6061, any shop worth their salt will use most any thickness of 6061 everyday.[/QUOTE]
sorry sould have been more clear.
I was talking about milling it.
water jett is great for one off, but even better for repeatible metal pannels. The us army is currently using them to pump out the armor kits for every thing.
durty wet job, but if some ones gotta do it, it might as well be me. :alien:
BraveUlysses 04-27-2006 08:28 PM

Without wind tunnel testing to back up your design a DIY diffuser will most likely have no positive aero benefits, and could probably make things worse.
rst4me 04-27-2006 08:29 PM

[QUOTE=jimtweet]im sorry man but see if you can sell it to this kid

[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/gsxdacy/cavfmic.jpg[/IMG]

take a closer look... :eek:
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/gsxdacy/cavfmic2.jpg[/IMG]

speechless :confused:

anyway, please take that thing off your car, you have a sti, a rather expensive car, dont junk it up with stuff like that :furious:[/QUOTE]
wishfull thinking! LOL
He prolly got the I/C for his turbo kit and was too excited to wate to collect the rest of it to put it on his car. :)
I know I slapped my top mount I/C on my car to check things out when I got it.
I didnt leave it on though.
I did debated putting a coan filter on it and use it as a N/A intake air cooler..
Then I got board, saw something shinny and wandered off.
palpullero 04-27-2006 08:40 PM

Diffuser: :huh:
Rear mudflap: :cool:

More pics of the mudflaps please to see they look good :D
hotrod 04-27-2006 08:47 PM

Good concept, but needs a couple more trys to get what you need.

Here is what a proper rear diffuser looks like:
[url]http://www.gruppe-s.com/Subaru/subext/kansai_FRP.htm[/url]

The whole point of a rear diffuser is to straighten the underbody airflow and allow it to smoothly expand (diffuse) to fill the partial vacuum behind the car. Even the one above does not have enough expansion but its a good start. To do it right we would need to trim off the bottom 1/3 or so of the rear bumper, to get the turn up to allow proper expansion of the air.



Don't be afraid to try stuff, every time you build a one off like that you learn stuff and the build quality will go up as get more experience.

Larry
CLR4ILS 04-28-2006 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=palpullero]Diffuser: :huh:
Rear mudflap: :cool:

More pics of the mudflaps please to see they look good :D[/QUOTE]

Thanks, the mudflaps were "unofficially sponsored" by autozone and lowes. :lol: total cost was like 15 bucks they are held in by panel fasteners that I couldn't even rip off when i tried so they're stuck on there until I cut them off. I did it that way so I wouldn't have to worry about rust. The holes are I think 1/4 in and you just have to play with the placement, I just didn't want them ripping off so they are a little higher then the usual ones. Thanks again and I'll try to take a couple more pics of the flaps, they're on the front as well.
chaddeus 04-28-2006 11:37 AM

I like this [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/APR-Fiberglass-Rear-Diffuser-04-05-Subaru-WRX-STi_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36475QQitemZ8057813804QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V[/url]. However, $$

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