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Need Advice - Texas or North Carolina? part 1

z3coupe 04-08-2006 04:18 AM

Need Advice - Texas or North Carolina?
As I have been laid off at work, and my last day is April 20th, and so far no future job offers yet - I may have to think seriously of relocating. Kalifornia is NOT the place to be if unemployed, as the cost of living is just outrageous. So, with what I could make selling my condo, I could almost pay cash for a similar place in Texas (DFW?) or North Carolina, pay off my car, and take just about any job I wanted (NO MORE 24/7 on-call crud EVER again!!!!!!!) and still live comfortably. But now, where would be best - and this includes a good SCCA region, good AutoX events (with decent turnouts and competition), and a track that is not just an oval. Any suggestions guys?

Oh, and almost forgot the most important item - GOOD FOOD!!!! None of that sprout stuff! I want killer fried catfish, streaks, ribs, etc . . . . :devil:
rkkwan 04-08-2006 09:39 AM

Here are the non-oval tracks in TX:

Motorsport Ranch Cresson (near Ft. Worth) - recently lengthened to 3.1 mi.
Motorsport Ranch Houston - new 2.4 mile track opened late last year, flat but quite technical
Texas World Speedway - old track in College Station; uses the front straight of the oval, insane speed, a lot of fun, 2.9mi
Texas Motor Speedway - occassionally, some clubs will have tracks day with the road course at the big NASCAR track in Ft. Worth.

Or go north, and there's Hallett in Tulsa, OK.

From NC, you can go to VIR, which is just across the border. Really really great road course there, or go down to Road Atlanta.
kwh29 04-08-2006 03:02 PM

NC/surrounding areas have 6 clubs that host autocross and there more tracks than just VIR too -- there is an infield road course at CMS (aka Lowe's NASCAR track) another infield course at Rockingham, Carolina Motorsports park in Kershaw SC (about an hour from Charlotte, 2.5 from Raleigh/Durham), and a new track being built near Spencer (between Charlotte and Greensboro).

Costs of living are low, quality of life is high. It gets very humid in the summer but there's very little snow in the winter. The beach is 2-3 hours away and mountains are 1.5-4 hours away from Raleigh/Durham. Being from here, I'd vote for NC over TX any day given that I like to have more than two seasons and don't like driving 12 hours to see mountains.

--Kevin H.

The autocross clubs:
CCR SCCA - Charlotte and areas W, including Spartanburg SC, hosts road racing and solo i as well
Highlands SCC - Asheville
Triad SCC - Greensboro
Tarheel SCC - Raleigh/Durham and points E, hosts track days and time trials as well
NCR SCCA - Raleigh and E, a group sometimes hosts autocross in Wilmington but primarily a road racing region
flyboymike 04-08-2006 03:12 PM

North Carolina would also put you close to the Tail of the Dragon, possibly the best sports car/bike road on the East Coast. It would put you within 6 hours of doing National Tour events hosted by the Washington DC region at FedEx Field. Try an autocross course with serious elevation changes... oh man. So good.
speedyHAM 04-09-2006 12:12 AM

I vote NC, the SCCA clubs out in this area are awesome. I was looking around a few weeks ago and if I wanted to drive up to 3 hours for an autocross I could do one (sometimes two) every weekend until December. Then there was a 2 week break befor the next event. VIR is pretty sweet as well.
Swine 04-09-2006 01:30 AM

Ok, simple...NC. Your with-in a rocks throw of the gap aka: "tail of the dragon".
Impala SS AutoXer 04-09-2006 01:45 AM

I grew up in north Alabama, have plenty of relatives in western NC, and went to Clemson....aka, I know the area. I also lived in TX (both Houston and Austin) for a few years.

Sorry guys, but being in CA (like z3coupe) there are a lotta roads out here that put even Tail of the Dragon to shame. And yes, I've driven TOTD. Fun road for sure, just imagine an entire coastline 800 miles long full of similar or even more fun roads.

We're some lucky bastages out here in that regard on the left coast :)

Autocross with elevation changes : see San Diego ;)

Texas is pretty much the king of low cost-of-living (similar housing cost to NC, decent paying jobs in urban areas, but NO state income tax), but the summers are REALLY hot. As in, uncomfortable to do much outside from May-August hot. Put it this way : when I lived in Houston, PCA ran their summer autocrosses at NIGHT just to avoid the heat!

NC is the more temperate climate.

Both have some good road racing places now. Same for autocross.

Both have cost of living far cheaper than CA. Don't expect your house to appreciate 2X in value in 2-3 years though.

I honestly think either would be a good choice. I'll mention that out of everywhere I've lived, the all-time favorite was Austin.
STiMULi 04-09-2006 03:14 AM

If you get pulled over in either state...

"Boy... You in a HEEPA trouble!!!" :)

NC is a Nice State but Texas has no State Taxes...
lil'redwagon 04-09-2006 05:25 AM

sorry to hear about your layoff at work, rocky. that's too bad, i was just considering getting out to another autocross again.

i haven't lived in either state you're thinking about, but i've driven through them. based on that, i'd say NC. actually, i don't really care for TX at all. i got a ticket for going 70 in a 65. and they searched me. and one of my friends got a ticket going 60 in a 55 - in a prius! they only have 91 oct. at the pump, and it's expensive, contrary to my expectations. and it takes sooooo loooong to get to another city. but please just take this as my impression based on just driving through the state.

but yeah, it's too bad i won't be able to catch up with you at the track (if i ever make it back out again). and good luck with everything.

-james
WRXdonkey 04-09-2006 11:57 AM

Based on the food necessities... you can't go north of the Mason-Dixon line ;-)

I'm from New Orleans, and I'm planning a move to Birmingham, AL in the next 12 mos. or as soon as my STI is paid off, which ever comes first. I find that Birmingham has WAY better BBQ, and their seafood suffers and pales in comparison to New Orleans. However, there's the BDSM crew as I found out from being on NASIOC, and they're nuts. Also, I'm a 6 hours drive from New Orleans, which means great weekends with the family that will remain here for the next few years until they can liquidate their assets in New Orleans and get out to somewhere else.

All of my friends have left, and some are in TN, TX, and SC. Personally, I bear a preference for Charleston, SC. It's got all of the charm of New Orleans without the crime. The food is wonderful - "She Crab Soup," and many other phenomenal local dishes. You're a stone's throw from mountains, good roads, an ocean, rivers, biking, and more.

It's tough to beat (imo), and we just might move there instead of Birmingham, if my girlfriend's father's health improves to a point where she's comfortable with us moving further away.
wrxkix 04-09-2006 02:14 PM

I live in VA and my wife moved here from NY. We both have been up and down the east coast an agree the only place other than VA we would live is NC. My wife is big into horses and we always wanted to go to Texas. We got our chance this year for my work.

We went to Houston for a week and traveled around Houston 3 hours out in about every direction. Talk about no elevation changes. The scenery is the same in every direction. Things we liked were, the cost of living is cheap, and Houston was probably the cleanest city we have been to.

Still no match to VA in our opinion. We have mountains, lakes, and the ocean all close by. We both like the change of seasons. NC is much the same as VA.

There are very strong autocross regions up and down the East Coast. Those of us that autox often travel from VA to NC and vice versa to compete.

All of this directed by what your used to. And I am sure other parts of Texas are much different, I just have not seen them yet.

Steve
finnRex 04-09-2006 02:21 PM

[QUOTE=lil'redwagon]i haven't lived in either state you're thinking about, but i've driven through them. based on that, i'd say NC. actually, i don't really care for TX at all. i got a ticket for going 70 in a 65. and they searched me. and one of my friends got a ticket going 60 in a 55 - in a prius! they only have 91 oct. at the pump, and it's expensive, contrary to my expectations. and it takes sooooo loooong to get to another city. but please just take this as my impression based on just driving through the state.
-james[/QUOTE]

91 octane? Where'd you stop? I've never had a problem finding 93(at least in DFW and San Antonio).

Texas is a big state, no doubt. The drives from city to city do stink, mostly flat and straight. Hill Country's nice(north of San Antonio, near Austin) though. The cost of living is really nice compared to Cali. 3/2/2 with 2100 sq. ft. for under $120k(bought it in '04). Try finding a condo for that price, let alone a house. The food here is pretty good, but I'd imagine the food in N.C. is better. I lived in Birmingham for three years, and its tough to beat some good ol' southern cookin'. Plus they got real sweet tea.

I'd say check both of 'em out. DFW ain't too bad, actually. I'd check out N.C. and DFW and then decide for yourself. If you need a place to crash in DFW, PM me.


Mika
rkkwan 04-09-2006 10:36 PM

Since a few mentioned Birmingham, just want to say the Barber Motorsport Park course is pretty awesome. Very beautiful and technical track. Expensive to run, however.
z3coupe 04-10-2006 12:49 AM

JAMES!!!!!!!! You are still alive. Boy do I miss you!!!!!! I might still come out to another event if I know you will be there. Been too long . . . . .

Wow, you guys fist off are making me REAL hungry, and I just ate! I once went to Atlanta when E3 moved there for a few years, and stayed with a bunch of clowns I knew at Georgia Tech. Oh boy did I get FAT! Even the equivelent of a Denny's there beats some of the best here. That chicken fried steak was a dream (or a heart stopper, depends on your cholesterol count - thank GOD mine is fine hehehe) not to mention bisquite and gravy. And ever since Calvin's Soul Food closed down near Disney (to be replaced with yes ANOTHER taco joint????), I have been on a fruitless search for the best fried catfish (MUST have coarse corneal breading with proper seasoning, and killer hot sauce to go with it!!!). And the folks there were super nice.

So, it does look like NC is about the best choice to move to, though Austin is a thought (but I have a buddy living there, and said all the tech jobs are being taken by the college kiddies - I am 51, yuch!), have a couple who are long time friends out in Granbury near DFW which makes that a choice, and now one of you makes Birmingham sound nice . . . . . . . and looks like no matter where I go, there will still be new Sube buddies to meet and greet.

Yep, best thing to do is if I don't get anything at my current job in a different department by the 20th, I will be a visiting you'all soon! Maybe if some arrangements could be made, some of you could show me around so I can see what places are up for sale, and maybe the job market as well? Won't be a bother, and will repay you however I can.

THANKS!!!!!! You all have given this old dawg some hope!!!!!!!!
WRXdonkey 04-10-2006 02:20 AM

All I can say is this: I'm from New Orleans, born and raised. I'm headed to Birmingham very soon. I prefer the sweeping S curved roads and the hills and the mountains! (Louisiana is flatter than Calista Flockhart).

The food (BBQ - is second to none), and there's some decent catfish joints from what I've heard. BUT, that doesn't friggin' matter... know WHY!?

Christmas afternoon 2005, we drove to a creek on the side of the road, parked our butts in some red mud at the banks and wet some lines. We pulled in about 50 freshwater catfish in 3 hours. 14"+ or they went back.

I STILL have some of those frozen in the freezer. Needless to say, we had some great batter (Zatarain's - a personal favorite, although there are better and more coarse options), and some cayenne pepper to add to it w/ some crab boil for the extra seasoning/spice without cutting down on the sweet texture of the pillowy fresh catfish filets... Baked up some steak fries with that and it was heaven.

If you're passing through New Orleans, drop me a line, and I'll try to set up a meet for the night you'll be in town. Also, from the looks of it, the "BDSM" crew is very active, and just makes Birmingham look even better.
endeavor 04-10-2006 10:30 AM

If you like to drag race your Supra in a school zone, go Texas!
Otherwise, I vote for
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:devil:

My g/f and I contemplated moving to the DFW area (she had a summer internship there so I got to check it out). It's an ok area, but really the only big positive was that it is sooo cheap -- a bit cheaper than NC. Oh and the nightlife is definitely better in DFW. But personally I didn't like the desolate landscape and heat; I'd rather have some humidity and less heat.

As far as motorsports, I can't comment on Texas, but the clubs here are very professional and really have their act together. Plenty of skilled drivers, too.
AtomicRacer 04-10-2006 10:41 AM

DALLAS!!!!

Dallas SCCA, Equipe Rapide, BMW, Porche, Spokes, Houston SCCA. You can race every weekend and sometimes twice a weekend.

Dallas has more places to eat than any other US city except Houston.

There are 15 STU drivers in Dallas alone.

-Paul
Lachlan 04-10-2006 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=STiMULi]If you get pulled over in either state...

"Boy... You in a HEEPA trouble!!!" :)

NC is a Nice State but Texas has no State Taxes...[/QUOTE]

No sales taxes--if you buy a house property tax will keel you.
endeavor 04-10-2006 04:04 PM

[QUOTE=Lachlan]No [b]income[/b] taxes--if you buy a house property tax will keel you.[/QUOTE]

FYP45
ratt_finkel 04-10-2006 05:00 PM

[QUOTE=AtomicRacer]DALLAS!!!!

Dallas SCCA, Equipe Rapide, BMW, Porche, Spokes, Houston SCCA. You can race every weekend and sometimes twice a weekend.

Dallas has more places to eat than any other US city except Houston.

There are 15 STU drivers in Dallas alone.

-Paul[/QUOTE]
Bingo, the night life here is great. And by far some of the most beautifull women in the country, and lots of them too! The heat's not as bad as everyone says.
RichardM 04-10-2006 05:27 PM

And we rally.
finnRex 04-10-2006 10:38 PM

[QUOTE=Lachlan]No sales taxes--if you buy a house property tax will keel you.[/QUOTE]

Meh, it's worse here than in other parts of the country, but I think you'll still end up on top here.

My mortgage on a $120k house is $1110. That includes property taxes of $3600 annually. So if there were no property taxes, my house payment would be $800(roughly). You either get whacked here, or there, but no matter how you cut it, you're gonna get whacked.

I will say this though, it does get hot here in Dallas. First summer I was here there were like 8 days straight of 104 or more. Back in '00(or was it '01?) there were 70 some odd days of 104 in a row. So yeah, it gets hot here, and you better have your A/C workin'.

From the sounds of it, you won't go wrong with either choice. Either way, you're dealing with rednecks. Some of 'em have teeth, some don't(that includes both places;) ).



Mika
z3coupe 04-11-2006 04:35 AM

Well, though the property taxes may be high, the BIG difference is that your HOUSE cost you only $120K - my tiny CONDO cost 3X that! Of course, the value also just increased by quite a bit too - but you can't eat that for dinner :(
ratt_finkel 04-11-2006 04:04 PM

There is some great info here about the major cities in texas.

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=951003[/url]
z3coupe 04-13-2006 06:43 AM

Thanks for all the input guys! It has really helped a lot. Well, looks like my choice will be NC. Now the next question is where in NC? My thoughts are between Raleigh or Charlotte, both being pretty much the bigger 2 cities there. As I am a desktop support person, where would be the better tech jobs, and where would be the better areas for a decent sized condo (are there any)? I really don't need that much space, so don't need nothing huge, and as I had to mow the lawn for years as a kid, I don't care to do any yard work ever again - thus why I prefer a condo.

As my last day on the job is next week (April 20th), I am thinking that about 3-4 weeks after taking a trip out there to see both cities. Would anyone be able to show me around? Thanks!!!!!!!

Oh, and believe it or not, I am actually getting quite excited to move there soon! Can't even sleep now. Oh to have a chance at a REAL LIFE!!!!!
sb427f-car 04-13-2006 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=STiMULi]If you get pulled over in either state...

"Boy... You in a HEEPA trouble!!!" :)

NC is a Nice State but Texas has no State Taxes...[/QUOTE]
No taxes in Florida either and you have Moroso, Seabring, Homestead, (any club stuff @ Daytona) and hell...Road Atlanta isn't that far away. Maryland's not a BAD place to live (it aint great), and I think the only thing keeping me here is Family, Friends, and Delaware Football in the fall (season ticket holder, haven't missed a home game since I started there in 2000, and I've kept going since graduating). Honestly...I think the last one is the biggest reason.
swede978 04-18-2006 06:47 AM

I like the Charlotte area myself, but if you like the mountains, Asheville is great. I am relocating just to go to NTI for a year and I will prob move back. I like the snow
chevelle 04-18-2006 07:20 AM

Winston-Salem and Greensboro are also both great cities, just smaller than Charlotte and Raleigh. I am an engineer in IT for a fortune 50 company in western NC, and have many contacts in the NC job market so if you feel comfortable you can PM your phone number and we could talk further. I may be able to get your resume out to a few people so you can have a head start. There are several people in my area that have relocated from CA, NJ, and NY, and all are very happy with their decision as it is a wonderful place to live. If you need further assistance with housing or logisitics please don't hesitate to ask.

Regards
rautox 04-18-2006 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=STiMULi]NC is a Nice State but Texas has no State Taxes...[/QUOTE]
I spent most of last week in San Antonio and Austin looking at houses. And the city taxes can more than make up for the lack of state taxes.

Looking at houses of comparable cost to my own, taxes were more than quadruple what I pay in MD. That hurts. That said, even stacking the taxes into the mix, you can still get more house. Gas was $.20-$.25 cheaper, groceries were ~30% less than what I pay in Columbia.

The cost of living is cheaper, but "the taxes" can bite ya.
D_REX 04-18-2006 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=rautox]I spent most of last week in San Antonio and Austin looking at houses. And the city taxes can more than make up for the lack of state taxes.

Looking at houses of comparable cost to my own, taxes were more than quadruple what I pay in MD. That hurts. That said, even stacking the taxes into the mix, you can still get more house. Gas was $.20-$.25 cheaper, groceries were ~30% less than what I pay in Columbia.

The cost of living is cheaper, but "the taxes" can bite ya.[/QUOTE]
Why would you compare taxes on homes of similar costs instead of taxes on similar homes?
Pantera 04-20-2006 12:55 AM

I moved from NC to Dallas. Apples to oranges. Dallas has to seasons hot and hell. NC is much nice looking, people are much, much nicer. RDU area has some good jobs. Very boring. Charlotte is a great area for a smaller city.

There is always something going on it Dallas. When we first moved here we tried to hit all the things going on during weekends and you could never do it.

I also own www.apexdrivingacademy.com! Come see me the local track dealer. I can help with your track addiction!!!

The track dealer!!
z3coupe 04-20-2006 03:51 AM

HOLD THE PRESSES FOLKS! Governor sends "stay of execution" at the 11th hour!

Just before I left today (Wed), I got a call from a manager in our ERS dept (roadside assistance). He wants to keep me at the Club, and is offering a possible position they may be creating in Irving, Texas. But this is quite complicated, as my current dept has all of us already written off (turn in our badges, cells, etc tomorrow - Thursday), so not sure how this will turn out yet. Sheesh, still has my head spinning like a top - as I was mentally prepared for departure, a few weeks rest, and a trip to NC to check it out.
J!M 04-20-2006 10:10 AM

Good luck to you. Remember that you don't have to take this new job.

I moved to NC from Boston after being laid off, and picked up a 20% raise in the process. Remember that you can often make more money by changing jobs.

Jim
RaceComp Engineering 04-20-2006 04:17 PM

Hey dont forget when one door closes, another opens. Good luck and hope your decisions keep you close to a parking lot with cones !!

Myles

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