| ScreaminFast | 01-09-2006 07:04 PM |
Preparing for racing / time attack
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I need some help with a few things to start getting my car ready for more competitive racing.
I'm looking into setting up a Fuel Cell and some lexan windows. I'm not sure where to start looking, and searching didn't really help me that much. I am going to try and give Irish Mike a call to get some suggestions from him about what to do, but I figured I'd ask around on here as well.
What are some of the main rules for the Fuel Cell? I've seen the rules for SM and autocross, but I plan to compete in some of the unlimited classes for racing, so I figured its an "anything goes" sort of thing as long as its safe.
Also, I don't think anyone makes any precut lexan windows for WRX's, or at least I haven't seen any....any ideas?
Thanks in advance, and I appreciate any help you guys can give me. :)
I'm looking into setting up a Fuel Cell and some lexan windows. I'm not sure where to start looking, and searching didn't really help me that much. I am going to try and give Irish Mike a call to get some suggestions from him about what to do, but I figured I'd ask around on here as well.
What are some of the main rules for the Fuel Cell? I've seen the rules for SM and autocross, but I plan to compete in some of the unlimited classes for racing, so I figured its an "anything goes" sort of thing as long as its safe.
Also, I don't think anyone makes any precut lexan windows for WRX's, or at least I haven't seen any....any ideas?
Thanks in advance, and I appreciate any help you guys can give me. :)
| ScreaminFast | 01-13-2006 09:03 PM |
bump??
| kfoote | 01-13-2006 09:18 PM |
[url]www.atlfuelcells.com[/url]
[url]www.gelexan.com[/url]
That should be a good start.
[url]www.gelexan.com[/url]
That should be a good start.
| MPME | 01-13-2006 09:44 PM |
Fuel Safe makes a great cell as well, and TAP Plastics can supply your lexan needs as well.
Also try [url]www.hrpworld.com[/url] for your track prep stuff like this--they really know their stuff, and have been around forever. They lighten my wallet every year... ;-)
Also try [url]www.hrpworld.com[/url] for your track prep stuff like this--they really know their stuff, and have been around forever. They lighten my wallet every year... ;-)
| ScreaminFast | 01-16-2006 04:04 PM |
hehe ok, thanks guys :) i'll have a look around those, and post back here what i find for future knowledge
| spazegun2213 | 01-16-2006 04:36 PM |
[url]http://www.gotoracing.com/[/url]
they had a wrx for a while, I'm not sure what they have now (i think its a legacy) but either way they should know where to get some stuff if you cant find it.
they had a wrx for a while, I'm not sure what they have now (i think its a legacy) but either way they should know where to get some stuff if you cant find it.
| bjorn240 | 01-16-2006 04:58 PM |
Don't do anything until you decide what class you're racing in, and have read the rulebook and spoken to current competitors. Saying you're going to compete in the "unlimited classes" makes you look like a newb or someone really into offshore boating. This is not the correct forum for offshore boating.
- Christian
- Christian
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 11:15 AM |
whats offshore boating?
i'm not trying to look like a newb, because I have been around the block. I've been autocrossing for about 5 years now, but only have been to one track event. The reason I said unlimited class is because I didn't really want to put a restriction on my mods. I figured I would be competing in ITE if I did club racing. The super street time attack has an "Unlimited AWD" class, so thats more or less what I was basing it on.
Other than that, I'd like to get out there and get more experience with the car, but build it correctly and safely. The car is also used as a promotional vehical at many shows for my company.
i'm not trying to look like a newb, because I have been around the block. I've been autocrossing for about 5 years now, but only have been to one track event. The reason I said unlimited class is because I didn't really want to put a restriction on my mods. I figured I would be competing in ITE if I did club racing. The super street time attack has an "Unlimited AWD" class, so thats more or less what I was basing it on.
Other than that, I'd like to get out there and get more experience with the car, but build it correctly and safely. The car is also used as a promotional vehical at many shows for my company.
| bjorn240 | 01-18-2006 11:37 AM |
Well, ITE basically follows T2 rules, and most of the cars that run there are older or uncompetitive T2 cars. The ICY cars would provide a good basis for the type of modifications which have proven useful in T2.
ATL make a custom fuel cell which fits in the trunk of an 02-on Impreza. For track racing, I'd also get some proper springs and dampers, and obviously a cage built by a reputable builder, well beyond the minimum spec called for in the rules. Remove all carpeting and the rear seat and construct a bulkhead between the trunk and cockpit. And get the proper safety equipment, obviously - seats, harnesses, etc.
Leave the motor/transmission/diffs stock for now. Lexan windows provide no benefit.
- Christian
ATL make a custom fuel cell which fits in the trunk of an 02-on Impreza. For track racing, I'd also get some proper springs and dampers, and obviously a cage built by a reputable builder, well beyond the minimum spec called for in the rules. Remove all carpeting and the rear seat and construct a bulkhead between the trunk and cockpit. And get the proper safety equipment, obviously - seats, harnesses, etc.
Leave the motor/transmission/diffs stock for now. Lexan windows provide no benefit.
- Christian
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 11:58 AM |
well i guess i should have posted the info about my car first...lol
[img]http://gallery.underclockers.net/albums/r3x3r-latest/money_gold.jpg[/img]
Current Mods:
APR Carbon Fiber Radiator Splitter
APS DR500 FMIC
APS FMIC BOV
Crucial Racing 160* Thermostat
DSS Driveshaft
FP Green Turbo
GTspec V2 Header/Uppipe coated by Swaintech
HKS 3" Downpipe
HydraEMS
Kartboy Poly Exhaust Hangers
NGK One Step Colder Copper Spark Plugs
Odyssey PC680 Lightweight Racing Battery
Perrin BigMAF
Perrin Silicone Radiator Hoses
SpeedMonkee Aluminum Overflow Tank
SpeedMonkee Aluminum Racing Radiator
StaticX Customized Grounding Kit
TiAl 46mm Wastegate
Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Walbro GSS342 255lph Fuel Pump
Kartboy Short Shifter
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
STi JDM 6speed
STi JDM Axles
STi R180 Rear Diff
STi Group N HD Engine Mounts
STi Group N HD Pitch Mount
STi Group N HD Tranny Mount
STi Short-throw shifter
TiC Shifter Bushings
Tilton twin plate Clutch
Whiteline Rear Differential Bushings
JDM STi Brembo Brakes all around
ION Performance 2 piece rotors all around
Ferrado DS2500 pads
Goodridge Lines
Nismo 60mm Wheel studs
Cusco Front 22mm Swaybar
Cusco Front Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear Adjustable Swaybar (24mm)
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear V-Brace Bar
Cusco V2 Underbrace
D2 Coilovers
Poltec Heavy Duty Adjustable Endlinks
STi Aluminum Control Arms
STi JDM Pillowball Lateral Links
STi JDM Pillowball Trailing Arms
Whiteline Rear Camber Bolts
Whiteline Rear Subframe Locking Kit
Advan RG 17x8.5 White w/ 255/40R17 Kumho Victoracers
Volk Racing CE28N 18x8.5 Bronze w/ 245/35R18 BFG KDW
Daikei AS-01 Center Adjustment Spacer
Daikei S-501 Custom Steering Wheel Hub
Defi Center Gauge Pod
Defi BF Gauges (Boost, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, Water Temp, Fuel Press., EGT)
G-Force 6pt Harnesses
HKS JDM-spec Type 1 Turbo Timer
LoTec Triple 60mm A-Pillar Gauge Pod
STi JDM Version 8 Instrument Cluster
Tekniq Auto Q/R Steering Wheel Adaptor
Autopower 6pt cage
Netami Carbon Fiber/Fiberglass Racing Seats
[img]http://gallery.underclockers.net/albums/r3x3r-latest/money_gold.jpg[/img]
Current Mods:
APR Carbon Fiber Radiator Splitter
APS DR500 FMIC
APS FMIC BOV
Crucial Racing 160* Thermostat
DSS Driveshaft
FP Green Turbo
GTspec V2 Header/Uppipe coated by Swaintech
HKS 3" Downpipe
HydraEMS
Kartboy Poly Exhaust Hangers
NGK One Step Colder Copper Spark Plugs
Odyssey PC680 Lightweight Racing Battery
Perrin BigMAF
Perrin Silicone Radiator Hoses
SpeedMonkee Aluminum Overflow Tank
SpeedMonkee Aluminum Racing Radiator
StaticX Customized Grounding Kit
TiAl 46mm Wastegate
Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Walbro GSS342 255lph Fuel Pump
Kartboy Short Shifter
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
STi JDM 6speed
STi JDM Axles
STi R180 Rear Diff
STi Group N HD Engine Mounts
STi Group N HD Pitch Mount
STi Group N HD Tranny Mount
STi Short-throw shifter
TiC Shifter Bushings
Tilton twin plate Clutch
Whiteline Rear Differential Bushings
JDM STi Brembo Brakes all around
ION Performance 2 piece rotors all around
Ferrado DS2500 pads
Goodridge Lines
Nismo 60mm Wheel studs
Cusco Front 22mm Swaybar
Cusco Front Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear Adjustable Swaybar (24mm)
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear V-Brace Bar
Cusco V2 Underbrace
D2 Coilovers
Poltec Heavy Duty Adjustable Endlinks
STi Aluminum Control Arms
STi JDM Pillowball Lateral Links
STi JDM Pillowball Trailing Arms
Whiteline Rear Camber Bolts
Whiteline Rear Subframe Locking Kit
Advan RG 17x8.5 White w/ 255/40R17 Kumho Victoracers
Volk Racing CE28N 18x8.5 Bronze w/ 245/35R18 BFG KDW
Daikei AS-01 Center Adjustment Spacer
Daikei S-501 Custom Steering Wheel Hub
Defi Center Gauge Pod
Defi BF Gauges (Boost, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, Water Temp, Fuel Press., EGT)
G-Force 6pt Harnesses
HKS JDM-spec Type 1 Turbo Timer
LoTec Triple 60mm A-Pillar Gauge Pod
STi JDM Version 8 Instrument Cluster
Tekniq Auto Q/R Steering Wheel Adaptor
Autopower 6pt cage
Netami Carbon Fiber/Fiberglass Racing Seats
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 12:00 PM |
when i get the car back from precision tuning, i'll be having a widebody done on it, removing the fogs for the carbon air inlets, and stripping the interior more, and adding a few more custom aero parts...
| Vampyr | 01-18-2006 12:23 PM |
Hey... Can I see a pic of your LoTec Triple 60mm A-Pillar pod installed?
Was the install difficult? I have been reading that 60mm is too big for the pillar, and 52mm is more appropriate.
Was the install difficult? I have been reading that 60mm is too big for the pillar, and 52mm is more appropriate.
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 12:25 PM |
only one i have - a pic from last year:
[img]http://gallery.underclockers.net/albums/r3x3r-timeline/timeline17.jpg[/img]
[img]http://gallery.underclockers.net/albums/r3x3r-timeline/timeline17.jpg[/img]
| Porter | 01-18-2006 12:53 PM |
Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?
I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.
Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"? :lol:
Just curious.
I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".
I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.
Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"? :lol:
Just curious.
I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".
| Jack | 01-18-2006 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=Porter]Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?
.[/QUOTE]
.....not irritated, but wondering what race prep and was needed for bicycle pedals.....
jack
.[/QUOTE]
.....not irritated, but wondering what race prep and was needed for bicycle pedals.....
jack
| ITWRX4ME | 01-18-2006 01:35 PM |
Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 01:41 PM |
[QUOTE=ITWRX4ME]Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?[/QUOTE]
some of my friends got mad at me and turned them all around overnight once.
some of my friends got mad at me and turned them all around overnight once.
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 01:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Porter]Am I the only one who's irritated by the term "Time Attack"?
I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.
Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"? :lol:
Just curious.
I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".[/QUOTE]
yeah i hear ya. I'm just going with the flow. Time trials is cool. If they change solo2 to "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)." I'm getting that put on my car. lol.
I remember when they used to be "time trials" until some Japanese tv show started throwing the words ATTACK! TOGUE! GYMKHANA! HACHIROKU! all over the screen.
Why not "Time Bonsai"? Why "Attack"? :lol:
Just curious.
I'm waiting for the day (probably soon) when the SCCA renames Solo2 as "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)".[/QUOTE]
yeah i hear ya. I'm just going with the flow. Time trials is cool. If they change solo2 to "SCCA Hyper Dorifto Gymkhana Attack (Amateur Version Type Z)." I'm getting that put on my car. lol.
| RedRoof2 | 01-18-2006 01:48 PM |
[QUOTE=ITWRX4ME]Why are most of the logos backwards on your car? Is that like the urban practice of wearing your hat backwards (or sideways)?[/QUOTE]
very much like the internet practice of flaming everyone who does something different and implying they're some know-nothing ricer. I thought Nasioc was better than that.
His car is very well thought-out and meticulously set up. The graphics are there because it also doubles as a rolling showcase for his company.
I should know. Some of my blood, skin and sweat is probably still underneath it from helping him put it all together.
very much like the internet practice of flaming everyone who does something different and implying they're some know-nothing ricer. I thought Nasioc was better than that.
His car is very well thought-out and meticulously set up. The graphics are there because it also doubles as a rolling showcase for his company.
I should know. Some of my blood, skin and sweat is probably still underneath it from helping him put it all together.
| bjorn240 | 01-18-2006 03:08 PM |
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]well i guess i should have posted the info about my car first...lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ok. Well that clears it up. That car appears totally unsuitable for any proper competition at all. What was the point of this thread, again?
Oh yeah, race cars. Buy a fully-prepped ITB Rabbit.
- Christian
Yeah, ok. Well that clears it up. That car appears totally unsuitable for any proper competition at all. What was the point of this thread, again?
Oh yeah, race cars. Buy a fully-prepped ITB Rabbit.
- Christian
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 04:23 PM |
why is it unsuitable?
| leecea | 01-18-2006 04:50 PM |
I was curious and found this example of the type of event under discussion: [url]http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/index-2.html[/url]
The rules are very basic and pretty much anything can run. No cage or even a rollbar is required. It is competition, in the same way that autocross is competition, for anyone from noobs to experts. This is just much more dangerous!
The rules are very basic and pretty much anything can run. No cage or even a rollbar is required. It is competition, in the same way that autocross is competition, for anyone from noobs to experts. This is just much more dangerous!
| ratt_finkel | 01-18-2006 05:23 PM |
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]why is it unsuitable?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's unsuitable. But you will need to revamp almost everything if you want it to be competitve on the track.
The current intent of the car seems more dedicated towards looks than actuall performance. And just because you have a big honkin turbo and some coilovers doesn't mean otherwise.
I wouldn't say it's unsuitable. But you will need to revamp almost everything if you want it to be competitve on the track.
The current intent of the car seems more dedicated towards looks than actuall performance. And just because you have a big honkin turbo and some coilovers doesn't mean otherwise.
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 05:56 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]The current intent of the car seems more dedicated towards looks than actuall performance. And just because you have a big honkin turbo and some coilovers doesn't mean otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Most of my parts weren't picked with looks in mind. The car is dedicated towards performance more than anything. Just because I decided to put some aero pieces and nice wheels on there, doesn't mean I dedicated it towards looks.
The car is being built for HPDE's and time trials for now, with eventual competition in the future.
Most of my parts weren't picked with looks in mind. The car is dedicated towards performance more than anything. Just because I decided to put some aero pieces and nice wheels on there, doesn't mean I dedicated it towards looks.
The car is being built for HPDE's and time trials for now, with eventual competition in the future.
| bjorn240 | 01-18-2006 06:53 PM |
What RF and I are saying is there is a significant difference between picking parts for street performance and building a race car. You have a street car with a lot of mods. That's the worst possible starting point for a proper race car. When you build a production-based race car, you start with a stock car and the rule book. As the car stands now, you'll have to remove a huge number of your of mods and re-install stock parts in order for the car to be legal in any roadracing class. What you need in T2 roadracing is a good cage, racing brake pads and fluid, good suspension, and lots of wheels and tires.
Point being, for the price it'll cost you to make that a real race car, you're better off buying a prepped ITB Rabbit, an old truck to tow with, and a trailer. If you just want to do track days or what not, then this is all moot and you can do whatever you want.
- Christian
Point being, for the price it'll cost you to make that a real race car, you're better off buying a prepped ITB Rabbit, an old truck to tow with, and a trailer. If you just want to do track days or what not, then this is all moot and you can do whatever you want.
- Christian
| ScreaminFast | 01-18-2006 10:08 PM |
i understand that many of my mods would place me out of a lot of classes, but I thought there were unrestricted classes, but I guess not. I know some of the time trial events are, that I've read about..
| ratt_finkel | 01-19-2006 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]i understand that many of my mods would place me out of a lot of classes, but I thought there were unrestricted classes, but I guess not. I know some of the time trial events are, that I've read about..[/QUOTE]
There are very few "unlimited" classes in any venue. And the ones you do find, will be dominated by better cars than the WRX.
There are very few "unlimited" classes in any venue. And the ones you do find, will be dominated by better cars than the WRX.
| akuhner | 01-19-2006 09:40 AM |
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]i understand that many of my mods would place me out of a lot of classes, but I thought there were unrestricted classes, but I guess not. I know some of the time trial events are, that I've read about..[/QUOTE]
Why guess? Get a rule book! Christian is talking more about SCCA and NASA sactioned events, where your car won't fit in any class at all. There are those "Time Attack" events that are done Japanese style with classes your car would fit in, but I've only heard of one or two in the US (there were two big threads about NAISOC'ers going to the one in Cali this fall, check those out, talk to those guys).
Never even think about building a race car without having two things:
1) experience in the series you want to run, even if it's just being a corner worker or crew member.
2) the RULE BOOK!
I'd put money on this car never getting past HPDE's... Oh, and you might as well admit that you put the backwards stickers on because that's what's cool in the Japanese drifter scene. Not that there's anything wrong with that! Do you have the green and yellow "learner's permit" thing too? A Japanese friend of mine gave me one for my car.... I tossed it. ;)
Alex
Why guess? Get a rule book! Christian is talking more about SCCA and NASA sactioned events, where your car won't fit in any class at all. There are those "Time Attack" events that are done Japanese style with classes your car would fit in, but I've only heard of one or two in the US (there were two big threads about NAISOC'ers going to the one in Cali this fall, check those out, talk to those guys).
Never even think about building a race car without having two things:
1) experience in the series you want to run, even if it's just being a corner worker or crew member.
2) the RULE BOOK!
I'd put money on this car never getting past HPDE's... Oh, and you might as well admit that you put the backwards stickers on because that's what's cool in the Japanese drifter scene. Not that there's anything wrong with that! Do you have the green and yellow "learner's permit" thing too? A Japanese friend of mine gave me one for my car.... I tossed it. ;)
Alex
| ScreaminFast | 01-19-2006 09:59 AM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]There are very few "unlimited" classes in any venue. And the ones you do find, will be dominated by better cars than the WRX.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but I guess for, now I will just learn with the car, get better, and when I'm ready for w2w I'll get something more prepared. If I can find events I can get into, unrestricted, it still could be fun. Thanks for the help / opinions guys.
With that said however, any other websites that I can look towards for some good racing and safety equipment? I was having a VERY hard time finding brake cooling backing plates for the brembos... :confused:
Agreed, but I guess for, now I will just learn with the car, get better, and when I'm ready for w2w I'll get something more prepared. If I can find events I can get into, unrestricted, it still could be fun. Thanks for the help / opinions guys.
With that said however, any other websites that I can look towards for some good racing and safety equipment? I was having a VERY hard time finding brake cooling backing plates for the brembos... :confused:
| ScreaminFast | 01-19-2006 10:02 AM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]I'd put money on this car never getting past HPDE's... Oh, and you might as well admit that you put the backwards stickers on because that's what's cool in the Japanese drifter scene. Not that there's anything wrong with that! Do you have the green and yellow "learner's permit" thing too? A Japanese friend of mine gave me one for my car.... I tossed it. ;)
Alex[/QUOTE]
HAHA no "learner's permit" for me ;) I don't like explaining to people the reasoning behind why the japanese guys do the backwards stickers. Myself? I'm a symmetry whore and I think it would bother me if the car wasn't really symmetrical.
I probably won't use this car past DE's and that would get my at least through the next 3-4 years of experience and training...
Alex[/QUOTE]
HAHA no "learner's permit" for me ;) I don't like explaining to people the reasoning behind why the japanese guys do the backwards stickers. Myself? I'm a symmetry whore and I think it would bother me if the car wasn't really symmetrical.
I probably won't use this car past DE's and that would get my at least through the next 3-4 years of experience and training...
| akuhner | 01-19-2006 12:44 PM |
And how much are you spending to go racing? I'm entering my first rally (Rally NY, all tarmac!) in April, here's my general budget:
1993 Impreza 1.8L rally car, Canadian logbooked - $6,200
Safety gear (thanks to Christian for some hand-me-downs!) - $1,000
Car improvements (cage additions, new seats, etc) - $2,000
Rally NY Entry fee (if I do the whole thing, can do 1/2) - $1,100
Rally costs (hotels, fuel, food) - $1,200
So for around $12,000 I'll have done a full 2 day tarmac rally. Your mods are probably worth twice that, right?
1993 Impreza 1.8L rally car, Canadian logbooked - $6,200
Safety gear (thanks to Christian for some hand-me-downs!) - $1,000
Car improvements (cage additions, new seats, etc) - $2,000
Rally NY Entry fee (if I do the whole thing, can do 1/2) - $1,100
Rally costs (hotels, fuel, food) - $1,200
So for around $12,000 I'll have done a full 2 day tarmac rally. Your mods are probably worth twice that, right?
| Butt Dyno | 01-19-2006 01:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]There are those "Time Attack" events that are done Japanese style with classes your car would fit in, but I've only heard of one or two in the US (there were two big threads about NAISOC'ers going to the one in Cali this fall, check those out, talk to those guys).[/QUOTE]
That's what I figured he meant... the Primedia/SCC things that World One, Element Tuning, etc have been taking cars to, like so:
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com/elementracestimeattack.htm[/url]
The rules seem to be pretty loose...
But like you say, there aren't many of them and near as I can figure, zero on the east coast.
john
That's what I figured he meant... the Primedia/SCC things that World One, Element Tuning, etc have been taking cars to, like so:
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com/elementracestimeattack.htm[/url]
The rules seem to be pretty loose...
But like you say, there aren't many of them and near as I can figure, zero on the east coast.
john
| ScreaminFast | 01-19-2006 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]And how much are you spending to go racing? I'm entering my first rally (Rally NY, all tarmac!) in April, here's my general budget:
1993 Impreza 1.8L rally car, Canadian logbooked - $6,200
Safety gear (thanks to Christian for some hand-me-downs!) - $1,000
Car improvements (cage additions, new seats, etc) - $2,000
Rally NY Entry fee (if I do the whole thing, can do 1/2) - $1,100
Rally costs (hotels, fuel, food) - $1,200
So for around $12,000 I'll have done a full 2 day tarmac rally. Your mods are probably worth twice that, right?[/QUOTE]
Well the money isn't as much of an issue as selling the wife on it is, hehe :) Having a few large corporate sponsors has helped me alot. My mods are worth alot lol, brand new to build my car would probably cost 80K, incl price of the car. :(
1993 Impreza 1.8L rally car, Canadian logbooked - $6,200
Safety gear (thanks to Christian for some hand-me-downs!) - $1,000
Car improvements (cage additions, new seats, etc) - $2,000
Rally NY Entry fee (if I do the whole thing, can do 1/2) - $1,100
Rally costs (hotels, fuel, food) - $1,200
So for around $12,000 I'll have done a full 2 day tarmac rally. Your mods are probably worth twice that, right?[/QUOTE]
Well the money isn't as much of an issue as selling the wife on it is, hehe :) Having a few large corporate sponsors has helped me alot. My mods are worth alot lol, brand new to build my car would probably cost 80K, incl price of the car. :(
| ScreaminFast | 01-19-2006 04:44 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]That's what I figured he meant... the Primedia/SCC things that World One, Element Tuning, etc have been taking cars to, like so:
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com/elementracestimeattack.htm[/url]
The rules seem to be pretty loose...
But like you say, there aren't many of them and near as I can figure, zero on the east coast.
john[/QUOTE]
Yeah thats what I'm talking about. Maybe I can get one started on the east coast ;)
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com/elementracestimeattack.htm[/url]
The rules seem to be pretty loose...
But like you say, there aren't many of them and near as I can figure, zero on the east coast.
john[/QUOTE]
Yeah thats what I'm talking about. Maybe I can get one started on the east coast ;)
| leecea | 01-19-2006 08:24 PM |
Time attacks at Mid-Ohio & Summit Pt are listed here [url]http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/index-5.html[/url]
| HoRo1 | 01-19-2006 09:28 PM |
There are plenty of "formula libre" type racing events out there where almost any level of car prep is permitted using a basic power:weight formula with modifiers for suspension mods and tires. Your car as it stands right now would be acceptable in most of them (assuming that it has a cage - either complete or rear).
My recommendation for racing what is basically in your case a deconstructed street car is to get all of that crap out of the inside of your car. All those instruments and the entire dash. All you need is a tach, oil pressure and water temp and warning lights for oil and water. If you must race a WRX that has started its life a street car (which I have done) weight is your enemy. Get the best possible brakes that you can afford - rotors, calipers, pads, fluid, and lines, You should probably do something about the master cylinder as well. Get the best possible gears that you can - dump the standard gears (they will break) and change the ratios to something shorter. Upgrade the front axles (they will break) and be very careful with the centre diff (it will eat itself - as will the rear diff). That upgraded clutch won't last either.
Bottom line is this; racing is expensive, VERY expensive. A road car modded for racing is HEAVY. An AWD modded for racing is HEAVY. Heavy = incredible strain on the driveline. Racing = incredible strain on the driveline. Racing + heavy = VERY EXPENSIVE strain on the driveline.
Take my advice, unless you have the budget to spend in excess of $1500/race don't race a WRX. Look at buying somebody elses race car - race prepped VW Golfs are DIRT cheap (as are several other cars, but I'm most familiar with VWs) - or you can build one yourself for as little as $3000 (if you know what you are doing).
If you do have the budget, then by all means go for it.
Time trials = about 50% the fun of racing at about 10% the budget.
My recommendation for racing what is basically in your case a deconstructed street car is to get all of that crap out of the inside of your car. All those instruments and the entire dash. All you need is a tach, oil pressure and water temp and warning lights for oil and water. If you must race a WRX that has started its life a street car (which I have done) weight is your enemy. Get the best possible brakes that you can afford - rotors, calipers, pads, fluid, and lines, You should probably do something about the master cylinder as well. Get the best possible gears that you can - dump the standard gears (they will break) and change the ratios to something shorter. Upgrade the front axles (they will break) and be very careful with the centre diff (it will eat itself - as will the rear diff). That upgraded clutch won't last either.
Bottom line is this; racing is expensive, VERY expensive. A road car modded for racing is HEAVY. An AWD modded for racing is HEAVY. Heavy = incredible strain on the driveline. Racing = incredible strain on the driveline. Racing + heavy = VERY EXPENSIVE strain on the driveline.
Take my advice, unless you have the budget to spend in excess of $1500/race don't race a WRX. Look at buying somebody elses race car - race prepped VW Golfs are DIRT cheap (as are several other cars, but I'm most familiar with VWs) - or you can build one yourself for as little as $3000 (if you know what you are doing).
If you do have the budget, then by all means go for it.
Time trials = about 50% the fun of racing at about 10% the budget.
| ScreaminFast | 01-20-2006 09:12 AM |
thanks for the suggestions HoRo1 :) I'll keep all that in mind. Most of those upgrade I have already done, and I'm working on converting to a stack dash, and a CF flat dash set up. :)
| TubeDriver | 01-20-2006 10:30 AM |
That is a show car not a race car. You may want to try and get at least signed off solo at a DE before trying to race in an "unlimited" class. A good option would be to spend $25k on a 3 day race school (like Panoz) which will give you a racing licence, get a nicely preped spec Miata and race for a season. That nice show car of yours will be completely, cosmetically destroyed (think front and rear fendor and quarter panels with mild to moderate contact damage) in 1-2 races. Do you really want to wreck your nice street/show car? The reason people seldom post pics of their race cars is because they look like crap (think lots of minor body damage, mismatched paint and duct tape).
| ScreaminFast | 01-20-2006 11:14 AM |
well i'm not saying i'm jumping out to do w2w immediately. I'm looking for information and to become better prepared. I agree 100% with you about the license and racing schools. I plan to do a few skip barbers, and possibly the bondurant school at pocono.
| Butt Dyno | 01-20-2006 07:54 PM |
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]well i'm not saying i'm jumping out to do w2w immediately. I'm looking for information and to become better prepared. I agree 100% with you about the license and racing schools. I plan to do a few skip barbers, and possibly the bondurant school at pocono.[/QUOTE]
For the cost of a Stack cluster, you can probably do a half year of HPDE. It's all about priorities :)
For the cost of a Stack cluster, you can probably do a half year of HPDE. It's all about priorities :)
| TubeDriver | 01-20-2006 08:13 PM |
Consider Panoz since you don't plan on open wheel cars (Barber is more open wheel focused). The Panoz cars are nice (~2800 lbs, ~450-600hp).
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]well i'm not saying i'm jumping out to do w2w immediately. I'm looking for information and to become better prepared. I agree 100% with you about the license and racing schools. I plan to do a few skip barbers, and possibly the bondurant school at pocono.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScreaminFast]well i'm not saying i'm jumping out to do w2w immediately. I'm looking for information and to become better prepared. I agree 100% with you about the license and racing schools. I plan to do a few skip barbers, and possibly the bondurant school at pocono.[/QUOTE]
| ScreaminFast | 01-21-2006 01:38 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]For the cost of a Stack cluster, you can probably do a half year of HPDE. It's all about priorities :)[/QUOTE]
good point!
good point!
| ScreaminFast | 01-21-2006 01:43 AM |
[QUOTE=TubeDriver]Consider Panoz since you don't plan on open wheel cars (Barber is more open wheel focused). The Panoz cars are nice (~2800 lbs, ~450-600hp).[/QUOTE]
Panoz school looks very nice, and fairly reasonably priced. My wife got my the Intro to Racing for our anniversary, so I'll prob start with that, and then hit a 3 day with Panoz at Sebring. :)
Thanks for the suggestions...for now I'll focus on my skills and driving, and just have fun with the rex.
Panoz school looks very nice, and fairly reasonably priced. My wife got my the Intro to Racing for our anniversary, so I'll prob start with that, and then hit a 3 day with Panoz at Sebring. :)
Thanks for the suggestions...for now I'll focus on my skills and driving, and just have fun with the rex.
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