| teiva-boy | 11-05-2002 06:36 AM |
Proper Heel-toe setup?
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Watching a few in car cameras of race car drivers feet, I was admiring the heel-toe technique....
I tried to do this on my car('02 WRX) but I couldn't get my foot at the right angle. One of the things I noticed is that the pedals are at different heights. In the video's they are the same. The other hinderence is that the videos were from right hand drive cars and they have more room to work with in the foot well area.
So anyhow, is there a way to adjust the pedals for better heel-toe action? I'm really looking for ways to improve my technique around the the track and downshifting and setting up for the turn right now is one of my very weak points. If heel-toe is not ideal, what would you suggest?
I tried to do this on my car('02 WRX) but I couldn't get my foot at the right angle. One of the things I noticed is that the pedals are at different heights. In the video's they are the same. The other hinderence is that the videos were from right hand drive cars and they have more room to work with in the foot well area.
So anyhow, is there a way to adjust the pedals for better heel-toe action? I'm really looking for ways to improve my technique around the the track and downshifting and setting up for the turn right now is one of my very weak points. If heel-toe is not ideal, what would you suggest?
| HoRo1 | 11-05-2002 08:01 AM |
THE best way is to have a new pedal box with top mounted brake and clutch and floor mounted accelerator. Why Subaru didn't do this (to save $50 I'm sure) I don't know. Otherwise try new pedal sets - Sparco and Momo make some. My middle aged ankles seem to have lost flexibility and I have real trouble with heel/toe even though it was second nature at one time.
| IXLR8 | 11-05-2002 08:41 AM |
Check out this link to the NASA web site for some basics of techniques and pedal setup...
[url]http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/heelandtoe.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/heelandtoe.html[/url]
| Jack | 11-05-2002 11:44 AM |
An alternate method is to brake with your heel and use your toe to push the accelerator. This is the method that I use and have only had trouble with a BMW 2002 to properly use it. (floor hinged pedals) It does take a lot of practice and getting used to as braking with your heel is not real comfortable at first....but you will get used to it.
jack
jack
| Craig W | 11-05-2002 01:04 PM |
The Subaru's soft brake pedal doesn't help either. You have to push the brake pedal in so much to start braking that you can't just roll the foot over to blip the throttle. You have to lift the toe to get on top of the gas. Very uncomfortable and hard to be consistant. I end up either braking too soft or reving way too much. Or is that just my relative inexperience w/ heel/toe-ing showing through?
| teiva-boy | 11-05-2002 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by IXLR8 [/i]
[B]Check out this link to the NASA web site for some basics of techniques and pedal setup...
[url]http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/heelandtoe.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Great link! Thanks. Any other tips and hints to setting up for a turn without upsetting the car?
[B]Check out this link to the NASA web site for some basics of techniques and pedal setup...
[url]http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/heelandtoe.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Great link! Thanks. Any other tips and hints to setting up for a turn without upsetting the car?
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 11-05-2002 01:21 PM |
Hello,
Maybe Gary can chime in on this since he spends far more time heel-toe'ing in the WRX than I do (I think I've done it once in the racecar and that was driving to the fuel pump at the track!). But I can tell you that Gary's a small guy (I think he's half a foot shorter than me) with proportionally smaller feet than mine (total guess but size 8 or 9 shoe?).
I can also tell you that there is no longer any paint where Gary's heel rests in the footwell area. His heel has worn away everything down to shiny (now polished) steel. He heel-toes with his (little) foot planted right there. He also doesn't move the pedals. So we're running an OEM pedal box with OEM pedal placement, with no modifications, and the pedals are not poorly located.
On my impreza, the same applies. I don't lift my foot off the floor to heel-toe. I use the part of the ball of my foot that is under the big toe (down to the area under the arch) to brake and the whole side of my foot under the pinky toe to gas, during heel toe. Then I stand my foot up straight for normal gassing.
When it's braking time, pivot over and get the big toe, ball, and side of foot onto the brake. Twist outwards to blip the throttle. It's actually pretty easy once you get used to the non-intuitive feel.
I will admit, thought, that unlike Gary, I couldn't stand the distance from the gas to the brake. The brake pedal is the strongest pedal down there, but the gas is just a thin piece of metal. I grab the gas pedal and simply move it towards the brake. I've even done it with my foot. On my Miata, I stuck my foot to the right of the gas pedal and twisted towards the brake. If you get it closer by 1/2 inch, you'll see, it becomes much easier to reach both pedals comfortably.
Oh yeah, and always make sure you're putting enough foot on the brake pedal, especially when you're practicing in traffic. Otherwise, youmight surprise yourself as your foot slips and dives under the brake or floors the throttle! :)
I would say that it took a week to feel okay about doing it in normal traffic and it took about a month or two before it became absolutely normal. Now I mess up when I try to downshift without blipping. It confuses my brain for an instant. It's pretty funny. Especially in a car that has a super heavy flywheel (I have lightened flywheels in all my cars). If you don't blip, it takes effort to shift without grinding.
Joel Gat
Crew Chief
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url]
Maybe Gary can chime in on this since he spends far more time heel-toe'ing in the WRX than I do (I think I've done it once in the racecar and that was driving to the fuel pump at the track!). But I can tell you that Gary's a small guy (I think he's half a foot shorter than me) with proportionally smaller feet than mine (total guess but size 8 or 9 shoe?).
I can also tell you that there is no longer any paint where Gary's heel rests in the footwell area. His heel has worn away everything down to shiny (now polished) steel. He heel-toes with his (little) foot planted right there. He also doesn't move the pedals. So we're running an OEM pedal box with OEM pedal placement, with no modifications, and the pedals are not poorly located.
On my impreza, the same applies. I don't lift my foot off the floor to heel-toe. I use the part of the ball of my foot that is under the big toe (down to the area under the arch) to brake and the whole side of my foot under the pinky toe to gas, during heel toe. Then I stand my foot up straight for normal gassing.
When it's braking time, pivot over and get the big toe, ball, and side of foot onto the brake. Twist outwards to blip the throttle. It's actually pretty easy once you get used to the non-intuitive feel.
I will admit, thought, that unlike Gary, I couldn't stand the distance from the gas to the brake. The brake pedal is the strongest pedal down there, but the gas is just a thin piece of metal. I grab the gas pedal and simply move it towards the brake. I've even done it with my foot. On my Miata, I stuck my foot to the right of the gas pedal and twisted towards the brake. If you get it closer by 1/2 inch, you'll see, it becomes much easier to reach both pedals comfortably.
Oh yeah, and always make sure you're putting enough foot on the brake pedal, especially when you're practicing in traffic. Otherwise, youmight surprise yourself as your foot slips and dives under the brake or floors the throttle! :)
I would say that it took a week to feel okay about doing it in normal traffic and it took about a month or two before it became absolutely normal. Now I mess up when I try to downshift without blipping. It confuses my brain for an instant. It's pretty funny. Especially in a car that has a super heavy flywheel (I have lightened flywheels in all my cars). If you don't blip, it takes effort to shift without grinding.
Joel Gat
Crew Chief
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url]
| dsmith | 11-05-2002 01:43 PM |
I too find no problem with the WRX pedal position for heel and toe downshifts. It's not ideal, but pretty good. For comparison, get in a BMW. They are as close to perfect as a mass production car can be. Then get in an S-10 pickup and feel the impossibility.
Coming from BMWs, I found that I have to do a slight counter clockwise foot rotation for best results in the WRX.
dsmith
Coming from BMWs, I found that I have to do a slight counter clockwise foot rotation for best results in the WRX.
dsmith
| IXLR8 | 11-05-2002 03:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by teiva-boy [/i]
[B]
Great link! Thanks. Any other tips and hints to setting up for a turn without upsetting the car? [/B][/QUOTE]
As the link points out "heel-toe" is really a misnomer... as others above have mentioned, it's mainly: get enough of your foot on the brake to have a good feel (probably at least 2/3rds) and use whatever's left to nudge the gas...
What's most important to keeping the car settled is good brake modulation... don't give that up in order to push on the gas... better to slip the clutch. Even if you can only deliver a glancing blow to the gas pedal, getting the revs moving in the right direction as you release the clutch will help to smooth the down-shift.
Having said that, downshifting is over-rated. Good threashold braking and driving a correct, smooth line is considerably more important, especially for all but advanced track drivers. The only real reason to downshift is to be in the correct gear to exit the corner... let your brakes do all the deceleration. If you're having trouble shifting, try doing it less... Sounds weird, but I find when I teach novice and intermediate track events that most guys want to shift too much anyway... carry more speed, shift less...
and we won't even begin to think about double clutching...
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Great link! Thanks. Any other tips and hints to setting up for a turn without upsetting the car? [/B][/QUOTE]
As the link points out "heel-toe" is really a misnomer... as others above have mentioned, it's mainly: get enough of your foot on the brake to have a good feel (probably at least 2/3rds) and use whatever's left to nudge the gas...
What's most important to keeping the car settled is good brake modulation... don't give that up in order to push on the gas... better to slip the clutch. Even if you can only deliver a glancing blow to the gas pedal, getting the revs moving in the right direction as you release the clutch will help to smooth the down-shift.
Having said that, downshifting is over-rated. Good threashold braking and driving a correct, smooth line is considerably more important, especially for all but advanced track drivers. The only real reason to downshift is to be in the correct gear to exit the corner... let your brakes do all the deceleration. If you're having trouble shifting, try doing it less... Sounds weird, but I find when I teach novice and intermediate track events that most guys want to shift too much anyway... carry more speed, shift less...
and we won't even begin to think about double clutching...
| thechickencow | 11-05-2002 04:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Joel Gat, 1.8L [/i]
[B]
On my impreza, the same applies. I don't lift my foot off the floor to heel-toe. I use the part of the ball of my foot that is under the big toe (down to the area under the arch) to brake and the whole side of my foot under the pinky toe to gas, during heel toe. Then I stand my foot up straight for normal gassing.
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Ditto. My feet are too big to do it the other way.
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On my impreza, the same applies. I don't lift my foot off the floor to heel-toe. I use the part of the ball of my foot that is under the big toe (down to the area under the arch) to brake and the whole side of my foot under the pinky toe to gas, during heel toe. Then I stand my foot up straight for normal gassing.
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Ditto. My feet are too big to do it the other way.
| BOY | 11-05-2002 04:34 PM |
I "heel-toe" all the time (on and off track). I do have aftermarket pedals but essentially my technique is the same... I brake with the ball of my right foot and roll onto the throttle with the outside upper portion of the foot (think where the rhs laces are) to "blip". Usually I'm also playing with the clutch to both engine break (GD drivers, drive a GM/GC and you'll understand) and to engage the lower gear. I find that on some courses I'm way too busy in the gears for my first run or two (like IXLR8 mentioned) but our courses down here often require 3rd gear.
| ChrisDP | 11-05-2002 06:59 PM |
:D To each their own, but I LOVE the WRX stock pedal location. I've autocrossed and street-driven a '95 M3 once, I didn't find its pedal positioning to be all that *spectacular* compared the WRX. I just don't have a problem nailing the gas in the WRX when I need to.
| iBlueVirus | 11-05-2002 07:02 PM |
I wasn't able to heel-toe with stock pedals. my heel would hit the wall before it covers the pedal... So i got this... :D
[url]http://people.ucsc.edu/~virus/Projects-Performance-interior_exterior.htm[/url]
[url]http://people.ucsc.edu/~virus/Projects-Performance-interior_exterior.htm[/url]
| wrxken | 11-06-2002 12:18 AM |
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]I I do have aftermarket pedals but essentially my technique is the same... I brake with the ball of my right foot and roll onto the throttle with the outside upper portion of the foot (
same way I do it roll foot to the side I have sti (pink) petals work perfect with my big feet
:D have fun
Ken
[B]I I do have aftermarket pedals but essentially my technique is the same... I brake with the ball of my right foot and roll onto the throttle with the outside upper portion of the foot (
same way I do it roll foot to the side I have sti (pink) petals work perfect with my big feet
:D have fun
Ken
| [email�protected] | 11-06-2002 12:54 AM |
Check out this link to get some heel and toe tips from ALMS driver Johnny O'Connell. He has a great sense of humor in the whole thing as well. While there check out all his other driving tips too. Very enjoyable reading.
[url=http://www.johnnyoconnell.com/tips4.html]Johnny O'Connell heel and toe tips[/url]
[url=http://www.johnnyoconnell.com/tips4.html]Johnny O'Connell heel and toe tips[/url]
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 11-06-2002 02:13 AM |
Hello,
I'm a liar. I just got back from working on the racecar and I watched my feet while driving the miata. My heel is directly under the brake pedal. I think the entire heel is within the width of the brake pedal. My foot's straight-up-and-down position would place me squarely over the brake pedal, with maybe a pinky toe off the edge. When I gas, I pivot the top of my foot to the gas pedal. When I heel-toe, I pivot my foot mostly on the brake and my pinky toe and the pinky part of the ball of my foot and maybe the outside edge of the shoe below that, touch the gas pedal, while the rest of my foot is on the brake.
After watching myself do that, I started thinking about it. That's pretty much the only position I ever use. And the wear on my floor mats shows that my heel pretty much stays put right there.
So for those of you having problems with getting your foot into a comfortable position, try putting your foot on the brake pedal so that your pinky toe is the only thing in the air. The rest should be on the pedal. The heel should be directly below the toes, foot straight up and down. Now, try not to move your heel any more. Pivot on your heel so that you can hit the gas, and practice driving with your foot in that position. When that's comfortable, then add some heel-toe blips while braking. Then try heel-toe and practice it, as odd as it feels. I think after teaching myself heel-toe, the next track event I went to, I completely forgot about heel-toe. But the next time after that, heel toe was so natural that it just happened.
Joel
I'm a liar. I just got back from working on the racecar and I watched my feet while driving the miata. My heel is directly under the brake pedal. I think the entire heel is within the width of the brake pedal. My foot's straight-up-and-down position would place me squarely over the brake pedal, with maybe a pinky toe off the edge. When I gas, I pivot the top of my foot to the gas pedal. When I heel-toe, I pivot my foot mostly on the brake and my pinky toe and the pinky part of the ball of my foot and maybe the outside edge of the shoe below that, touch the gas pedal, while the rest of my foot is on the brake.
After watching myself do that, I started thinking about it. That's pretty much the only position I ever use. And the wear on my floor mats shows that my heel pretty much stays put right there.
So for those of you having problems with getting your foot into a comfortable position, try putting your foot on the brake pedal so that your pinky toe is the only thing in the air. The rest should be on the pedal. The heel should be directly below the toes, foot straight up and down. Now, try not to move your heel any more. Pivot on your heel so that you can hit the gas, and practice driving with your foot in that position. When that's comfortable, then add some heel-toe blips while braking. Then try heel-toe and practice it, as odd as it feels. I think after teaching myself heel-toe, the next track event I went to, I completely forgot about heel-toe. But the next time after that, heel toe was so natural that it just happened.
Joel
| TBreu007 | 11-06-2002 02:17 AM |
The WRX's pedal placement is near to ideal for "heel toe" downshifting. If you can't do it in the WRX, you can't do it in any car...you just need more practice. Most people don't ace it their first time trying.
I've been in full blown race cars whose pedal placement isn't as good as the stock WRX. This is something Subaru got very right.
I've been in full blown race cars whose pedal placement isn't as good as the stock WRX. This is something Subaru got very right.
| sdecker | 11-06-2002 08:42 AM |
More stupid n00b stuff
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I find it more difficult to heel-toe in my WRX than in my Civic SI, but not really difficult.
I have a slightly off topic question for you guys, and realize that I have just picked up the technique over the past 6 months or so. This doesn't happen in my Civic for reasons I can't quite figure out.
Like many of you guys, I put the big toe and ball of my foot on the brake and just use whatever foot I've got left over on the gas. I don't have trouble blipping or rev-matching, but I find that as I make the actual shift I'm pressing the brake pedal a little harder, causing a little brake dive in the middle. This is obviously totally against the point of heel-toe. :(
Is this just a practice thing? I'm working up to full time heel-toe on the track but I don't like the way the car unsettles with that brake dive. Any advice would be great.
Thanks!
Scott
I have a slightly off topic question for you guys, and realize that I have just picked up the technique over the past 6 months or so. This doesn't happen in my Civic for reasons I can't quite figure out.
Like many of you guys, I put the big toe and ball of my foot on the brake and just use whatever foot I've got left over on the gas. I don't have trouble blipping or rev-matching, but I find that as I make the actual shift I'm pressing the brake pedal a little harder, causing a little brake dive in the middle. This is obviously totally against the point of heel-toe. :(
Is this just a practice thing? I'm working up to full time heel-toe on the track but I don't like the way the car unsettles with that brake dive. Any advice would be great.
Thanks!
Scott
| GoodFinder | 11-06-2002 08:52 AM |
My hat's off to those of you who can heel & toe in the WRX with the stock pedals just like they are. For me and my feet and my coordination or whatever, I needed the brake and gas pedals to be closer together, so I put some Levoc pedal covers in last year. Now, for me, heel & toe is so easy, and I can practice on my daily (75 mile round trip) commute.
GoodFinder :)
GoodFinder :)
| IXLR8 | 11-06-2002 09:39 AM |
Re: More stupid n00b stuff
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]Like many of you guys, I put the big toe and ball of my foot on the brake and just use whatever foot I've got left over on the gas. I don't have trouble blipping or rev-matching, but I find that as I make the actual shift I'm pressing the brake pedal a little harder, causing a little brake dive in the middle. This is obviously totally against the point of heel-toe. :(
Is this just a practice thing? I'm working up to full time heel-toe on the track but I don't like the way the car unsettles with that brake dive. Any advice would be great.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's not "stupid noob stuff". It's good that you recognize it.
A lot, if not most of it is just practice, but to some degree it's dependent on your brake setup. That's why you see so many posts and comments about brake improvements that aren't about braking power (bigger rotors, more pistons in the calipers, etc.), but about feel and modulation (stainless lines, better fluid, etc.).
Personally, I have ditched my increadibly expensive and great performing Endless CC-X pads because their bite was so difficult to modulate at the limit (at least for me). I'm still looking for something else... In the meantime, practice.
[B]Like many of you guys, I put the big toe and ball of my foot on the brake and just use whatever foot I've got left over on the gas. I don't have trouble blipping or rev-matching, but I find that as I make the actual shift I'm pressing the brake pedal a little harder, causing a little brake dive in the middle. This is obviously totally against the point of heel-toe. :(
Is this just a practice thing? I'm working up to full time heel-toe on the track but I don't like the way the car unsettles with that brake dive. Any advice would be great.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's not "stupid noob stuff". It's good that you recognize it.
A lot, if not most of it is just practice, but to some degree it's dependent on your brake setup. That's why you see so many posts and comments about brake improvements that aren't about braking power (bigger rotors, more pistons in the calipers, etc.), but about feel and modulation (stainless lines, better fluid, etc.).
Personally, I have ditched my increadibly expensive and great performing Endless CC-X pads because their bite was so difficult to modulate at the limit (at least for me). I'm still looking for something else... In the meantime, practice.
| steve_d | 11-06-2002 10:06 AM |
Wear thin shoes...
Nike Air are not condusive to good pedal feel.
Addidas Samba are...
Alot of autoxers I know, go out and get a cheap pair of wrestling shoes.
sjd
Nike Air are not condusive to good pedal feel.
Addidas Samba are...
Alot of autoxers I know, go out and get a cheap pair of wrestling shoes.
sjd
| BOY | 11-06-2002 10:21 AM |
Sdecker, like IXLR8 said practice parctice practice. Once you get it figured out you'll be able to adapt the technique very quickly. I just upgrade my GM6 stock front rotors for WRX rotors and it took me 1 event to re-learn my brake points (that and a year off from racing ;) didn't help). As for thin shoes, my preference is is to acutally have a little more sole on the shoe but have a flexible upper. I cannot drive well with driving shoes or or wrestling shoes... just not my thing. Believe it or not, my combat boots (I am in the AF btw) that I wear every day are my favorite shoes to wear when driving... mostly out of familiarity I guess.
| GarySheehan | 11-06-2002 12:22 PM |
I'm pretty sure I bent the gas pedal over a bit towards the brake.
Unlike Joel, I keep my foot in line with the gas pedal. I rotate my foot to the brake pedal (with my heel still on the floor). As I add pressure to the brake pedal my heel comes off the floor. Since I start with my heel under the gas pedal, I just roll my foot so the outside of my shoe rolls onto the gas pedal.
Sdecker,
There are two reasons you are stabbing the brakes during heel-toe. One, you are not at maximum braking. If you were, you'd lock the tires instead of adding dive. The second reason is I think your foot is too far away from the gas pedal and you are reaching for it with the side of your foot. If you were braking harder, your foot would probably be closer to the gas pedal. This is common for practicing on the street.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Unlike Joel, I keep my foot in line with the gas pedal. I rotate my foot to the brake pedal (with my heel still on the floor). As I add pressure to the brake pedal my heel comes off the floor. Since I start with my heel under the gas pedal, I just roll my foot so the outside of my shoe rolls onto the gas pedal.
Sdecker,
There are two reasons you are stabbing the brakes during heel-toe. One, you are not at maximum braking. If you were, you'd lock the tires instead of adding dive. The second reason is I think your foot is too far away from the gas pedal and you are reaching for it with the side of your foot. If you were braking harder, your foot would probably be closer to the gas pedal. This is common for practicing on the street.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| sdecker | 11-06-2002 12:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GarySheehan [/i]
[B]Sdecker,
There are two reasons you are stabbing the brakes during heel-toe. One, you are not at maximum braking. If you were, you'd lock the tires instead of adding dive. The second reason is I think your foot is too far away from the gas pedal and you are reaching for it with the side of your foot. If you were braking harder, your foot would probably be closer to the gas pedal. This is common for practicing on the street.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks Gary, you bring up two good points. Ultimately, I am working towards being able to downshift as smoothly as possible. I appreciate your advice, it will help greatly. :)
Scott
[B]Sdecker,
There are two reasons you are stabbing the brakes during heel-toe. One, you are not at maximum braking. If you were, you'd lock the tires instead of adding dive. The second reason is I think your foot is too far away from the gas pedal and you are reaching for it with the side of your foot. If you were braking harder, your foot would probably be closer to the gas pedal. This is common for practicing on the street.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks Gary, you bring up two good points. Ultimately, I am working towards being able to downshift as smoothly as possible. I appreciate your advice, it will help greatly. :)
Scott
| BOY | 11-06-2002 12:42 PM |
Not sure about the WRXs but the GC/GM RSs had a relatively easy to adjust brake pedal. I moved mine a touch further from the firewall (closer to me) and it also helped a bit. Just something else to look into.
| OnTheGas | 11-06-2002 04:49 PM |
Better Shoes
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by steve_d [/i]
[B]Wear thin shoes...[/B][/QUOTE]Another good solution is the classic Converse Chuck Taylor All Star <[url]http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=ct[/url]> or <[url]http://www.classicsportsshoes.com/chucktaylorhi.html[/url]>.
These are relatively narrow, and pretty sensitive through the souls for street sneaker. And much more affordable compared to Nike's...
[B]Wear thin shoes...[/B][/QUOTE]Another good solution is the classic Converse Chuck Taylor All Star <[url]http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=ct[/url]> or <[url]http://www.classicsportsshoes.com/chucktaylorhi.html[/url]>.
These are relatively narrow, and pretty sensitive through the souls for street sneaker. And much more affordable compared to Nike's...
| boka | 11-07-2002 01:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by [email�protected] [/i]
[B]Check out this link to get some heel and toe tips from ALMS driver Johnny O'Connell. He has a great sense of humor in the whole thing as well. While there check out all his other driving tips too. Very enjoyable reading.
[url=http://www.johnnyoconnell.com/tips4.html]Johnny O'Connell heel and toe tips[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
He has a cool website for a car guy. The article was pretty good overall, but his is my favorite part:
"It seems complicated, but really is not so tough. If you have seen it watching Nascar�ignore that as most of those guys don�t do it properly. Here is how it works."
:lol: I'm a Johnny O'Connell fan for life :lol:
[B]Check out this link to get some heel and toe tips from ALMS driver Johnny O'Connell. He has a great sense of humor in the whole thing as well. While there check out all his other driving tips too. Very enjoyable reading.
[url=http://www.johnnyoconnell.com/tips4.html]Johnny O'Connell heel and toe tips[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
He has a cool website for a car guy. The article was pretty good overall, but his is my favorite part:
"It seems complicated, but really is not so tough. If you have seen it watching Nascar�ignore that as most of those guys don�t do it properly. Here is how it works."
:lol: I'm a Johnny O'Connell fan for life :lol:
| rkkwan | 11-07-2002 02:28 AM |
I have small feet (size 8), but find the WRX pedals relatively easy to heel-toe. Someone mentioned about the levels of the pedals. When you're braking hard (that's when heel-toe is most important), the brake pedal will be pressed lower than the gas. A little roll of the feet and the blip is done. I don't understand why there'd be any problem for most with healthy ankles.
On track days, I'm using some track shoes. G-Force makes some that are quite affordable.
-Ray
On track days, I'm using some track shoes. G-Force makes some that are quite affordable.
-Ray
| teiva-boy | 11-07-2002 02:43 PM |
This has/is a great thread that is now bookmarked :) Thanks for all the input I'm now practicing during my morning and afternoon commute
| Sea Dragon Rex | 11-08-2002 12:18 PM |
Thanks for the input Joel and Gary. I heel/toe all the time with my cars and in the Porsches, its very easy and comfortable for me (could be because of the floor mounted pedals or that I've been doing it so long) Doing it with the WRX has been uncomfortable for me. I thought the pedals had a fairly wide space and I wasn't sure it was because of that or because they are mounted differently than the Porsches.
I'm going to try to move the gas pedal closer to the brake pedal tonight. I'm sure it will make it much easier and more comfortable.
I'm going to try to move the gas pedal closer to the brake pedal tonight. I'm sure it will make it much easier and more comfortable.
| cmaj7 | 11-10-2002 01:25 PM |
Heel and Toe
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The WRX is already set up pretty well for heel and toe. There are a couple of things you can do to improve the feel.
First, bleed and/or flush the brake lines, if the pedal feels mushy it's the first thing to check. If you are flushing them use synthetic brake fluid.
Second, replace stock brake lines with stainless steel -- you will need to do a flush - now is a good time for that synthetic.
Third, get the MRT brake braket, this removes firewall flex from the equation.
Each of these gives a slight improvement, I think the single best improvement was from the MRT bracket, it gives you a firm foundation from which to heel and toe.
Now if someone would only make a lightweight version of it!!
First, bleed and/or flush the brake lines, if the pedal feels mushy it's the first thing to check. If you are flushing them use synthetic brake fluid.
Second, replace stock brake lines with stainless steel -- you will need to do a flush - now is a good time for that synthetic.
Third, get the MRT brake braket, this removes firewall flex from the equation.
Each of these gives a slight improvement, I think the single best improvement was from the MRT bracket, it gives you a firm foundation from which to heel and toe.
Now if someone would only make a lightweight version of it!!
| teiva-boy | 11-10-2002 03:56 PM |
Re: Heel and Toe
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cmaj7 [/i]
[B]The WRX is already set up pretty well for heel and toe. There are a couple of things you can do to improve the feel.
First, bleed and/or flush the brake lines, if the pedal feels mushy it's the first thing to check. If you are flushing them use synthetic brake fluid.
Second, replace stock brake lines with stainless steel -- you will need to do a flush - now is a good time for that synthetic.
Third, get the MRT brake braket, this removes firewall flex from the equation.
Each of these gives a slight improvement, I think the single best improvement was from the MRT bracket, it gives you a firm foundation from which to heel and toe.
Now if someone would only make a lightweight version of it!! [/B][/QUOTE]
I already have all of the above. ;)
[B]The WRX is already set up pretty well for heel and toe. There are a couple of things you can do to improve the feel.
First, bleed and/or flush the brake lines, if the pedal feels mushy it's the first thing to check. If you are flushing them use synthetic brake fluid.
Second, replace stock brake lines with stainless steel -- you will need to do a flush - now is a good time for that synthetic.
Third, get the MRT brake braket, this removes firewall flex from the equation.
Each of these gives a slight improvement, I think the single best improvement was from the MRT bracket, it gives you a firm foundation from which to heel and toe.
Now if someone would only make a lightweight version of it!! [/B][/QUOTE]
I already have all of the above. ;)
| idealrides | 11-10-2002 04:17 PM |
I was having a little trouble with matching properly... so I just got a pair of Piloti Monaco driving shoes. Within minutes of driving with them for the first time, my heel toe technique improved substantially. Any Piloti shoes will make you heel toe better, but I found the Monoco was the only one that was not only comfortable for wearing daily but looks good too.
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