| Midnight_Gold | 06-28-2004 02:24 PM |
ProSolo N00b Racing Question...
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Oscoda is going to be my first ProSolo. Unfortunately, I doubt that I will be able to partake in the practice starts on Friday.
However, I am holding Tom's WRX hostage for the week (poor guy can't catcha break). I'd like to get a feel for how to launch his car in a situation like that, but I don't know the best way to simulate lights and everything. I'm sure I could use a big old industrial parking lot afterhours (hopefully without any blue light intervention) sometime this week, but what about the lights themselves?
What do you guys do to practice when you can't get the practice time in at the event?
ps - I'd like to try this while it's raining.. especially since I don't want to risk breaking his tranny! Granted, I don't think I could ever launch his car as wholeheartedly as he could.. I'd be too worried about the tranny.... :(
- Miranda
However, I am holding Tom's WRX hostage for the week (poor guy can't catcha break). I'd like to get a feel for how to launch his car in a situation like that, but I don't know the best way to simulate lights and everything. I'm sure I could use a big old industrial parking lot afterhours (hopefully without any blue light intervention) sometime this week, but what about the lights themselves?
What do you guys do to practice when you can't get the practice time in at the event?
ps - I'd like to try this while it's raining.. especially since I don't want to risk breaking his tranny! Granted, I don't think I could ever launch his car as wholeheartedly as he could.. I'd be too worried about the tranny.... :(
- Miranda
| KC | 06-28-2004 02:26 PM |
Rev to 6K and just drop the clutch... ESPECIALLY if you're drivng Tom's car.
No practice needed.
--kC
No practice needed.
--kC
| Midnight_Gold | 06-28-2004 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC[/i]
[B] Rev to 6K and just drop the clutch... ESPECIALLY if you're drivng Tom's car.
No practice needed.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh yeah... cause I WANT to be a murder victim...
Well, who knows... might just be the kick in the butt he needs to get to work on that SpecMiata... and my car'd get some cool toys, too!
;)
[B] Rev to 6K and just drop the clutch... ESPECIALLY if you're drivng Tom's car.
No practice needed.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh yeah... cause I WANT to be a murder victim...
Well, who knows... might just be the kick in the butt he needs to get to work on that SpecMiata... and my car'd get some cool toys, too!
;)
| Storm | 06-28-2004 02:29 PM |
:lol: :lol: :lol: :devil:
Find a dragstrip....and get Tom's permission to flog a few launches!
Jay Storm
Find a dragstrip....and get Tom's permission to flog a few launches!
Jay Storm
| ChrisDP | 06-28-2004 02:29 PM |
Teh Keith is quick on teh draw! Beat me to it... But you might want to try 4000rpm so the wheels don't get any slip. :p
Edit- Man, we're all haters... Ask Tom how he wants you to launch his car so it doesn't break. Then if it does, he can blame himself.
Edit- Man, we're all haters... Ask Tom how he wants you to launch his car so it doesn't break. Then if it does, he can blame himself.
| Midnight_Gold | 06-28-2004 02:36 PM |
Well, I know how to launch the car... I've driven it at a few autocrosses... a lot of low end slipping.. I should probably get some more practice though, since it's kinda different from mine.. and like I said, I'm much easier on the car than he is (though I might get a little more aggressive with it now that I've had some experience in it)..
I just don't know what to do about the lighting issue...
I just don't know what to do about the lighting issue...
| KC | 06-28-2004 02:57 PM |
Why not ask Thom?
Thom knows when he launches his car (ie: which light)
--kC
Thom knows when he launches his car (ie: which light)
--kC
| trhoppe | 06-28-2004 03:01 PM |
Tom decrees it OK for Miranda to practice launching his car.
After all, if (when) this tranny goes I'm trading in on a Legacy GT or STi :lol:
-Tom
After all, if (when) this tranny goes I'm trading in on a Legacy GT or STi :lol:
-Tom
| Midnight_Gold | 06-28-2004 03:03 PM |
Edit..
So Tom tells me that trying to practice with a light really won't help. Just go at the third yellow.. I guess that if that's the case, just a lil practice launching will be enough to prepare..
I'll still wind up bogging the start and getting a really pathetic reaction time... but hey.. getting out there and doing it's all that matters!
- Miranda :devil:
So Tom tells me that trying to practice with a light really won't help. Just go at the third yellow.. I guess that if that's the case, just a lil practice launching will be enough to prepare..
I'll still wind up bogging the start and getting a really pathetic reaction time... but hey.. getting out there and doing it's all that matters!
- Miranda :devil:
| jcroy66 | 06-28-2004 03:23 PM |
We practiced at a drag strip prior to our first Pro (couple weeks ago at Toledo). And we'll probably be getting in some more drag strip practice prior to Oscoda.
It's not entirely the same, but it gives you some feel for the pre-stage/stage, the Christmas lights, etc.
The shot clock is definitely a different concept though. Our local drag strip certainly did not use a shot clock. I'd recommend getting Tom to explain how it works.
FWIW, we didn't make it to Friday's practice starts prior to our first Pro either. Phil's boss wouldn't let him leave on his (preapproved, scheduled) vacation... :furious:
Unfortunately, since we're in L2, you probably won't get a chance to watch many cars before we go. It looks like L2 usually runs first heat.
It's not entirely the same, but it gives you some feel for the pre-stage/stage, the Christmas lights, etc.
The shot clock is definitely a different concept though. Our local drag strip certainly did not use a shot clock. I'd recommend getting Tom to explain how it works.
FWIW, we didn't make it to Friday's practice starts prior to our first Pro either. Phil's boss wouldn't let him leave on his (preapproved, scheduled) vacation... :furious:
Unfortunately, since we're in L2, you probably won't get a chance to watch many cars before we go. It looks like L2 usually runs first heat.
| KC | 06-28-2004 03:23 PM |
I usually left just before Thom because I needed to make up the difference for him running the Pink boost fluid... I only had the upgraded muffler bearings last year.
| MNbiker | 06-28-2004 03:26 PM |
Miranda,
Here ya go! Not as good as abusing Tom's car for real, but kinda fun.
[url]http://www.staginglight.com/services/holeshot/[/url]
Make sure it's set for .500 Full Tree under options.
-Steve
Here ya go! Not as good as abusing Tom's car for real, but kinda fun.
[url]http://www.staginglight.com/services/holeshot/[/url]
Make sure it's set for .500 Full Tree under options.
-Steve
| DrBiggly | 06-28-2004 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Midnight_Gold[/i]
[B] I'll still wind up bogging the start and getting a really pathetic reaction time... but hey.. getting out there and doing it's all that matters!
- Miranda :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly! You won't learn it any younger. :)
[B] I'll still wind up bogging the start and getting a really pathetic reaction time... but hey.. getting out there and doing it's all that matters!
- Miranda :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly! You won't learn it any younger. :)
| Fred | 06-28-2004 05:49 PM |
here's my procedure from DC Pro...
when car before me passes 60 ft, practice launch
pull up into 2nd light beam (inching forward until it's barely lit).
in right lane, no parking brake needed; in left lane, parking brake needed - hold until clock gets to zero, remember to release.
at 5 seconds on the clock, get the revs up
at 2 seconds on the clock, get all the slack out of the clutch (meaning if I let it out any more, the car will move)
at zero, I'm ready & watching the tree.
wait for the 3rd light to come on for a fraction of a second & launch. if I launch exactly when the light comes on, I redlight (learned this in practice starts); but if I wait too long I obviously have a long RT. just gotta get the timing right.
try to concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane. :lol:
try to concentrate on the course. :)
when car before me passes 60 ft, practice launch
pull up into 2nd light beam (inching forward until it's barely lit).
in right lane, no parking brake needed; in left lane, parking brake needed - hold until clock gets to zero, remember to release.
at 5 seconds on the clock, get the revs up
at 2 seconds on the clock, get all the slack out of the clutch (meaning if I let it out any more, the car will move)
at zero, I'm ready & watching the tree.
wait for the 3rd light to come on for a fraction of a second & launch. if I launch exactly when the light comes on, I redlight (learned this in practice starts); but if I wait too long I obviously have a long RT. just gotta get the timing right.
try to concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane. :lol:
try to concentrate on the course. :)
| jbrennen | 06-29-2004 11:26 AM |
First thing -- don't trust anybody else who tells you when you should go. :) Somebody may cut 0.5xx reaction times all day, and then they tell you what to do, and you'll red-light or run an 0.9.
That being said, I'll proceed to give advice which I just told you to ignore. :D
Try to time your launch just before the last yellow light comes on -- that should always be safe. Then work backward from there. If you're getting times in the 5's, don't change anything. If not, start each subsequent launch just a wee bit earlier, until you see your first reaction time in the 5's, then go with that timing. I think of it as a fraction of a "light interval" -- for instance, I might try to go at 2/3 of the interval between the last two yellows. Note that because of traction/slope issues, you may want to launch differently between the left and right courses -- but if it's your first Pro, I wouldn't worry about that just yet.
Sometimes it just takes luck though. My first run at the DC ProSolo, wet weather, no practice launches -- I cut a .505 RT. Pure luck, and I think my best RT in the next 11 runs was a .535.
That being said, I'll proceed to give advice which I just told you to ignore. :D
Try to time your launch just before the last yellow light comes on -- that should always be safe. Then work backward from there. If you're getting times in the 5's, don't change anything. If not, start each subsequent launch just a wee bit earlier, until you see your first reaction time in the 5's, then go with that timing. I think of it as a fraction of a "light interval" -- for instance, I might try to go at 2/3 of the interval between the last two yellows. Note that because of traction/slope issues, you may want to launch differently between the left and right courses -- but if it's your first Pro, I wouldn't worry about that just yet.
Sometimes it just takes luck though. My first run at the DC ProSolo, wet weather, no practice launches -- I cut a .505 RT. Pure luck, and I think my best RT in the next 11 runs was a .535.
| ChrisDP | 06-29-2004 12:12 PM |
<<concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane.>>
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :)
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :)
| trhoppe | 06-29-2004 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP[/i]
[B] <<concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane.>>
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
Good point. I don't think Miranda has anything to worry about in my car.
Good news too, we'll be able to make practice starts so she'll be able to get some launches in on the lights before the event :)
-Tom
[B] <<concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane.>>
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
Good point. I don't think Miranda has anything to worry about in my car.
Good news too, we'll be able to make practice starts so she'll be able to get some launches in on the lights before the event :)
-Tom
| KC | 06-29-2004 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP[/i]
[B] <<concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane.>>
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
/me hugz his Buschur exhaust
[B] <<concentrate on shifting to 2nd with angry buzz of Andy Hollis or Nathan Whipple Civics in other lane.>>
Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
/me hugz his Buschur exhaust
| DrBiggly | 06-29-2004 12:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC[/i]
[B] /me hugz his Buschur exhaust [/B][/QUOTE]
You really love your exhaust don't you? :lol:
[B] /me hugz his Buschur exhaust [/B][/QUOTE]
You really love your exhaust don't you? :lol:
| Fred | 06-29-2004 01:48 PM |
Andy's car was definitely intense - I don't know that much about Civics, so I was telling somebody about how I could hear him launch, then fade back as I left him, then it would go brrrrrrr...RRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! when the VTEC cams switched over. At this point, somebody else informed me that those cars don't have VTEC. So what the H makes his car do that? Seriously, it sounded just like a VTEC cam switchover or something. :confused:
As for my exhaust, I have some lightening to do, which includes the non-mufflered axle-back that's being made either this weekend or next week. :cool:
As for my exhaust, I have some lightening to do, which includes the non-mufflered axle-back that's being made either this weekend or next week. :cool:
| MNbiker | 06-29-2004 01:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]/me hugz his Buschur exhaust [/B][/QUOTE]
3" straight pipe > KC's Buschur exhaust ;)
Absolutely no problems hearing Andy's little buzzmobile from inside my car! :devil:
[B]/me hugz his Buschur exhaust [/B][/QUOTE]
3" straight pipe > KC's Buschur exhaust ;)
Absolutely no problems hearing Andy's little buzzmobile from inside my car! :devil:
| trhoppe | 06-29-2004 02:07 PM |
Unless youve switched your header (I thought you had the same one KC and I have) then you (we) DO have a buzzmobile ;)
-Tom
-Tom
| Midnight_Gold | 06-29-2004 02:14 PM |
Hmm... ok.. so I will keep all this advice in mind while completely ignoring it! :D
Thanks!
- Miranda
Thanks!
- Miranda
| MNbiker | 06-29-2004 02:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Unless youve switched your header (I thought you had the same one KC and I have) then you (we) DO have a buzzmobile ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil:
[B]Unless youve switched your header (I thought you had the same one KC and I have) then you (we) DO have a buzzmobile ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil:
| DrBiggly | 06-29-2004 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker[/i]
[B] Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
[B] Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
| Corey | 06-29-2004 02:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
WAAATT? DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHIN'
[B]Proof you need a louder exhaust! I wonder if Corey can hear a Civic after launch :) [/B][/QUOTE]
WAAATT? DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHIN'
| DrBiggly | 06-29-2004 03:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker[/i]
[B] Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call Miranda's car anything bee-like...have you heard that monstrosity? :lol:
[B] Ahh, but those are big-$ss, steroid-enhanced, sets off car alarms in parking ramps, bumblebees - versus Andy's little honey-bees. :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call Miranda's car anything bee-like...have you heard that monstrosity? :lol:
| Midnight_Gold | 06-29-2004 03:36 PM |
It's like the God of Thunder resides in my tailpipe! :D
It's even louder than pleiades' car!!
- Miranda
It's even louder than pleiades' car!!
- Miranda
| DrBiggly | 06-29-2004 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Midnight_Gold[/i]
[B] It's like the God of Thunder resides in my tailpipe! :D
[/B][/QUOTE]
[OT]
You know taken out of context, that could be an awfully bad statement. :lol: :lol:
[/OT]
This thread has gone seriously off-topic now. :lol:
That and it's louder than just about anything. Do guys on Harleys hear the car and whimper at the sheer volume?
(I've always wanted a car that has a louder exhaust than a Harley just to piss them off.)
[B] It's like the God of Thunder resides in my tailpipe! :D
[/B][/QUOTE]
[OT]
You know taken out of context, that could be an awfully bad statement. :lol: :lol:
[/OT]
This thread has gone seriously off-topic now. :lol:
That and it's louder than just about anything. Do guys on Harleys hear the car and whimper at the sheer volume?
(I've always wanted a car that has a louder exhaust than a Harley just to piss them off.)
| KC | 06-29-2004 04:10 PM |
"It's louder than a Harley so THEY can hear I'M coming!"
| solo-x | 06-29-2004 04:43 PM |
since this is so far OT already...
andy's car is using a supertrapp off of the cat. terminates just behind the driver. the reason the exhaust changes note is due to resonate frequencies inside an exhaust system.
you must be confusing my car with robert seeligs car. my car is quiet and would have been WEEELLLL behind you after the start. i'm using a full length exhaust with stock 1 7/8" piping and a generic muffler can. it's ghetto, makes a bit of noise, but i wouldn't consider it loud.
corey's car is LOUD! kc's and tom's cars sound like honda's. :lol:
nate
andy's car is using a supertrapp off of the cat. terminates just behind the driver. the reason the exhaust changes note is due to resonate frequencies inside an exhaust system.
you must be confusing my car with robert seeligs car. my car is quiet and would have been WEEELLLL behind you after the start. i'm using a full length exhaust with stock 1 7/8" piping and a generic muffler can. it's ghetto, makes a bit of noise, but i wouldn't consider it loud.
corey's car is LOUD! kc's and tom's cars sound like honda's. :lol:
nate
| Midnight_Gold | 06-29-2004 04:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by solo-x[/i]
[B]
corey's car is LOUD! kc's and tom's cars sound like honda's. :lol:
[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
[B]
corey's car is LOUD! kc's and tom's cars sound like honda's. :lol:
[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
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