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Question...Rally Wheels part 1

Subie Gal 02-23-2001 09:54 AM

Question...Rally Wheels
 
what aftermarket - 'true' rally wheels do you guys know of for our Subies?

this would be in a 15"

i know about the steelies...
and the Racelines...
superlites... [url="http://www.superlite-wheels.com/"]http://www.superlite-wheels.com/[/url]
revolution wheels... [url="http://www.revolutionwheels.com/"]http://www.revolutionwheels.com/[/url]
compomotives... [url="http://www.compomotive.com/"]http://www.compomotive.com/[/url]

any other true rally wheels we can get here in the US??? am i missing any?

j.




[This message has been edited by Subie Gal (edited February 23, 2001).]
Weasel 555 02-23-2001 10:42 AM

I'd go with the compomotives......
Andy.
RallyKid 02-23-2001 10:49 AM

Sparco, OZ, I think OMP makes em to.

Racelines
Sparco
Copomotive
OZ

ALL good
orbit03 02-23-2001 10:49 AM

I second the vote for the Compomotives. I've got them on my Celica and we haven't been able to destroy one yet. I've also never had a problem with pulling a tire off of the rim. I've gotten a couple rocks stuck in the bead, but that is about it. [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Subie Gal 02-23-2001 10:55 AM

arent oz's a bit heavy?
we cant get the right offset here in the states and all the wheels we do get are street and heavy...

sparco?
link???

j.
Weasel 555 02-23-2001 11:00 AM

[url="http://www.sparco.com"]www.sparco.com[/url] if not [url="http://www.sparcousa.com"]www.sparcousa.com[/url]
some sparco wheels and compomotive wheels are the same style....
Andy.
Weasel 555 02-23-2001 11:04 AM

Also try [url="http://www.scoobymania.co.uk"]www.scoobymania.co.uk[/url] they have a good selection of wheels..
Jay_UK 02-23-2001 11:26 AM

Speedline/Raceline...

Lots of rally teams use them..

As strong as hell..and light weight.

And cheap (especially if u have a trade account with them) [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif[/img]

J.
Adrian128 02-23-2001 11:28 AM

I found one at [url="http://www.enkei.co.jp"]http://www.enkei.co.jp[/url] . it's the one under Enkei sport.
Dave_Clark 02-23-2001 01:14 PM

Actually, if you are on a budget you can't beat the stock Legacy alloy wheels. They are strong for a stock wheel and dirt cheap. I would chose them over Revolution, for example, regardless of budget. Best bang for the buck. Other than that the Racelines are very strong and reasonably priced and the Compomotives are priced about the same with the Rally dicount from TTRS (SCCA contingency sponsor.)
Jon Bogert 02-23-2001 01:22 PM

Dave, TTRS does the Revos. [url="http://www.usacomp.com"]www.usacomp.com[/url] for Compomotives.

Yes, Revolutions suck, in my experience. I posted broken wheel pics here before.
Hashiriya 02-24-2001 12:56 AM

yup enkei makes nice rally wheels, assuming you are taking about offroad and not tarmac(they do have nice tarmac ones too).

<IMG SRC="http://www.enkei.co.jp/pro-mat/e-sports/es-gravel-img/es-gravel_04.jpg" border=0>

edit: here's another famous rally wheel
<IMG SRC="http://www.oz-wheels.de/12.jpg" border=0>

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Dustin 02-24-2001 03:14 AM

Maybe Panasport? They've been making Rally wheels for a long while. Check [url="http://www.kspeed.com"]www.kspeed.com[/url] .

db
Primm Motorsports 02-24-2001 10:16 AM

I would have to toss my hat in the reing in support of Compomotive also. We have the TH2 on out gravel spec racer.

Dante
Primm Motorsports
Dave_Clark 02-24-2001 10:48 PM


[quote]
Dave, TTRD does the Revos...
[/quote]

Oops, my bad.

Eric Eaton's got a Revolution wheel center that's about 8" in diameter. All that's left are the spokes. That's after driving only 3 miles on a flat, though apparently at very high speed.
Porter 02-26-2001 10:20 AM

The Panasports are really quite good. We put some on an MGB racer I helped restore and they seemed quite light. Kspeed will build them in whatever offset you need.

They look the business to boot.


<IMG SRC="http://www.kspeed.com/Wheels/Assets/99LR1.gif" border=0>

<IMG SRC="http://www.kspeed.com/Wheels/Showcase/FS_VolvoWht.jpg" border=0>
<IMG SRC="http://www.kspeed.com/Wheels/Showcase/FS_ZRed.jpg" border=0>
<IMG SRC="http://www.kspeed.com/Wheels/Showcase/FS_YellowCar.jpg" border=0>
<IMG SRC="http://www.kspeed.com/Wheels/Showcase/FC_Blumiata.jpg" border=0>


These are the street wheels in the pics, the naked wheel at the top is the competition model.


I just noticed the Compomotive ML is quite similar, they may have even higher quality, I don't know.


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Subie Gal 02-26-2001 10:38 AM

we have panasports already... but in a 4 bolt pattern for an older Subaru...

do they make them in a 5 bolt as well?

i am leaning towards the compomotives...

hmmmmm [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

j. [url="http://www.subiegal.com"]www.subiegal.com[/url]
Hashiriya 02-26-2001 01:14 PM

Subie Gal,
I've seen black powder coated OZ rally wheels w/ YELLOW writing in Japan. Not sure if you can get them here though. Looked really cool.
Subie Gal 02-26-2001 01:34 PM

i know the ones you are talking about... the offset is all wrong...

i'll keep looking... i have a few months yet [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

thanks all who replied!

jamie
omahasubaru 02-26-2001 01:53 PM

While this post is alive.. I'm looking for some better rims for my snow tires (Tired of the steelies look). obviously I won't need them until next late fall. I remember hearing that somebody makes 15" wheels that actually fit over the subaru 4pot calipers. thoughts of those brakes make me drool, but buying 16" snow tires doesn't. What choices are there for 15" rims that WILL fit of the Subaru 4 pot front brake set-up?

Thanks - Jon
ProRallyEric 02-26-2001 01:55 PM

We have used Revolution Wheels and are very happy with the product! On the one occasion DC mentioned, I take complete blame
(3mi., 70mph, huge rocks and no tire) as Tony Chavez put it -
"Eric you gotta SLOOOW Down : )"
The wheels have put up with my misjudgement on many occasions and I'm sure will continue to on many more!!
Rally on !!! Eric [url="http://www.fast-focus.com/ffrhome.htm"]http://www.fast-focus.com/ffrhome.htm[/url]


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Jon Bogert 02-26-2001 02:15 PM

Wow, Eric, you must have gotten some good ones. The only problem is that you can't tell the good RFXs from the ones that will break under you when you least expect it. As I'm sure you know, it's not cheap to run a ProRally. I spent several thousand bucks last year to run Maine, and dnfed 1/2 mile from the start when 2 (count them, 2) Revolutions shattered circumferentially. Another one broke exactly the same way in the ClubRally on day 2.

Now I get to spend another coupla thousand on new wheels, hopefully properly heat treated to withstand rally conditions. Their former distributor dropped them for reasons I'm sure he would prefer I not attribute to him. I don't know TTRS, but I wonder if they'll stand behind the product when KN Wheels (who makes Revos) says, "F--- Off" like they did to me.

OK, I'm done venting. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew the whole picture.
ColinL 02-26-2001 02:21 PM

re: jon in omaha

The answer to your question is the Speedline RL7 15". It clears the Subaru 4pot.
Subie Gal 02-26-2001 02:23 PM

also to Jon.. the Racelines will fit...

j.
omahasubaru 02-26-2001 02:27 PM

Where can one get these rims and what are the prices and color options?
(Raceline, Speedlines)

Thanks guys.
ColinL 02-26-2001 04:14 PM

err... whoops, that would be the RACEline RL7 15". Good catch Jamie. [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif[/img]

you can get them from Rallispec, SPD Tuning and others.
REVO USA 02-26-2001 04:23 PM

I feel the time has come to mention a few things regarding Revolution wheels. As the importer you may feel I have a bias, however since I have been in the Motorsports business full time, in many different facets, for over 25 years I feel I learned enough to be associated with a product I can comfortably stand behind and feel proud to offer.
In a competition scenario there is going to be a certain amount of product failure, whether it be a connecting rod, chassis component, gearbox or a wheel. As all ralliests know, the tire wheel component takes an unbelievable amount of abuse, and there is a fine line between building a Rally wheel that is too brittle or too soft. The Revolution line has been around for over thirty years and literally thousands upon thousands of Rally spec wheels have been and are being successfully used throughout the world. Because of this, and the fact that they also have an extensive line of Road Race wheels not to mention my own experience with using them going back over twenty years, we decided to get involved with importing them direct from the factory. One of the other reasons we decided to do this, was for a time it was very difficult to get the wheels or even get in touch with the previous importer. It took us three years to get the rights to import the wheel, which occurred about two years ago. Now you may say, "so what", but it is important to establish a time line to make my point. It is unfortunate that Mr. Bogert has had an unfortunate experience with the product, and chooses to "vent" here, but since he has not contacted us since we offered him our Fed-Ex number to have his wheels shipped back to the UK for analysis I cannot respond directly to his complaint. However I can say that his wheels were purchased from the previous importer and were most likely produced at Two Gates or AWI and not KN, which took over production just prior to our becoming the importer, so it is difficult for me to determine just how old his wheels were when they suffered the damage. I have no doubt that Mr. Bogert feels that the product failed prematurely, but without a doubt I feel that there is usually a cause and affect issue here, or a communication problem that may be the fault of Revolution, KN, the previous importer, or perhaps I should have contacted him after he shipped the wheels back. In any event, I feel strongly enough about our product that if anyone who purchases a wheel from us, and feels that it it has failed prematurely, that person may return the wheel to us and if testing shows that it had a manufacturing defect, we will replace it. This does not constitute a implied warranty, since Competition Products are subject to abuse and carry no warranty, but an sincere attempt to provide customer satisfaction. For those of you who purchased wheels from the previous importer, we also offer you to send the product back to us and we promise we will do everything we can to satisfy you. I ask all to understand that in the last two years of dealing with Revolution, Mr. Bogert's complaint is the first I have heard concerning our Rally Spec Wheels.
Thank you,
Tom Tatalovich
Revolution Competition Wheels USA, Inc.
Jon Bogert 02-26-2001 06:40 PM

Tom, it's good of you to come here and represent your brand in a public forum like this one. In my dealings with KN and the previous importer, I didn't want to drag TTRS into the situation, since you had nothing to do with the sale, and never made a dime from me.

My complaints are really with KN. The wheels were new in the Fall of '99. They had approximately 250 stage miles on them when they failed. All those miles were fairly smooth (Black River, Cherokee Trails and STPR) so the wheels' strength was never tested until Maine. Basically, they shattered with the first bump they hit. Not dented. Not cracked. Shattered.

Several veteran rallyists came over in service to look at the fragments. Their comments were along the lines of, "I've never seen a rally wheel break like that," and, "must've been over-heat-treated." Another friend of mine, who has an engineering background in high-tech sporting goods manufacture, took a look at one of the broken wheels and confirmed that it had "obviously" been over heat treated.

So KN picked two of the wheels up (at their expense) and had them tested in the U.K. Four months later, after many faxes and phone calls begging for information, they faxed me a report that said the material thickness was OK and the composition of the metal was OK, and on that basis they claimed the failure was not extraordinary! There was no mention in the report of any test that would confirm or refute that the wheels were over heat treated.

So here I am with five wheels (remaining from the batch of 8) that I won't ever use again. The other 4 from a different batch are suspect, but I would assume that I got a "bad batch" so those 4 might be OK. I really have no recourse other than to file a lawsuit which would be expensive and certainly unproductive.

But that's where this BBS comes in. And Rally-L. And SpecialStage. And every rally driver and potential rally driver I talk to. A valuable and underrated function of internet-based community is that it is like a huge, public Better Business Bureau. When companies don't do right by their customers, all their potential customers can find out about it immediately, and adjust their purchase decision accordingly.

I'm not saying Revolution makes bad wheels. There are plenty of people like Eric who have had great luck with them--and Eric's a much faster driver than I am, and probably harder on wheels, too. But I will tell everyone what happened to MY Revolutions, and what came of it in MY situation, and let them decide what they think of that.
Subie Gal 02-27-2001 07:26 AM

and that's what a forum like this is for...

thanks Jon... [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

j.
REVO USA 02-27-2001 11:17 AM

Jon, I can surely appreciate your situation, and I would like to propose the following. Since there are a total of twelve wheels in question from two different batches, if you would like to send one from each batch to me, I will have them independently tested here along with a new wheel that was produced by KN, which is the spec that Eric runs. If the findings indeed show that the Heat Treat was the cause of the failure, I will replace whatever wheels are affected if you want to continue running Revolutions. Although I have been in touch with the factory concerning this situation I want to take care of this myself so it can be resolved as quickly as possible. If there are any matters that must be taken up with the factory I will take care of them after I have satisfied your needs. Quite frankly I feel this is my job and since I buy an awful lot of wheels from them I am in a better bargaining position than an individual customer, which is why I would prefer any problems be brought to my attention in the first place so I may take the proper Pro-Active measures to resolve them. Also I will reimburse you for the cost of shipping the wheels back to me for testing.
After our investigation and hopefully satisfactory resolution either you or I or perhaps both of us can come back to this forum and report our results.
I look forward to hearing from you and I can be reached at 800-872-5894.
Thank you,
Tom
Jon Bogert 02-27-2001 11:48 AM

Tom, I appreciate you reaching out. You're certainly going above and beyond as a vendor. Perhaps I should have dealt with you from the beginning.

The core problem is that the wheels failed, and even the best customer service wouldn't have prevented that. The customer service issues with KN just added insult to injury.

I'm not inclined to ship wheels to you for more testing. I found someone locally who can test the Rockwell hardness of wheels from each batch. I assume this would be valid test--at least for a basic comparison. I also have much older RFXs lying around and will test those. If they find any difference I'll certainly let you know.

[Edit] Nevertheless, either:

a) The wheels were over-heat-treated or otherwise defective, or

b) The wheels were not flawed in any way, yet they still failed in spectacular fashion after hitting a fairly ordinary bump.

I'm not sure which is worse...

[This message has been edited by Jon Bogert (edited February 27, 2001).]
omahasubaru 02-27-2001 11:53 AM

Help? Links to pics of the raceline and speedline wheels.

I went to compmotive and really like them, but are guesssing they are pricey. I'm looking for a nice 15 X 5 - 15 X 6 (what ever the stock steelie size is) but able to clear 4 STi 4 Pots and look great (for my snow tires) I think white will be my choice although Gold and Silver are nice as well.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks - Jon
Subie Gal 02-27-2001 01:17 PM

racelines
<IMG SRC="http://www.spdusa.com/raceline_impreza.jpg" border=0>

speedlines wont fit the 4 pot kit...
<IMG SRC="http://www.spdusa.com/_borders/gold4a.jpg" border=0>

all info from
[url="http://www.spdusa.com"]www.spdusa.com[/url]

j. [url="http://www.subiegal.com"]www.subiegal.com[/url]
REVO USA 02-27-2001 01:52 PM

Jon, my offer will remain open. If you have your wheels checked be sure to have them check the the hardness on the Brinell scale which is the one used for Aluminum, not Rockwell. I was going to use a FAA certified inspection company, which are strictly regulated and guaranteed to supply correct results. If you want, I would be willing to send you a new wheel for comparison. At this point the matter is in your hands, and I stand ready to help in any way I can.
Thank you,
Tom
Patrick L 02-28-2001 08:48 PM

I am going to get a set of the RL7s from Mike at SPD this week in Gold. Mike told me and what Colin said, they will clear the bigger brakes. The RL7s go for $168 in a 15x7 from SPD.
zowie54 03-20-2015 03:34 AM

Team Dynamics
delongedoug 03-20-2015 11:25 AM

Gtfo.
blubug_768 03-26-2015 01:02 AM

14 years, lol I think that might be a new record!
sureshot007 03-26-2015 09:09 AM

Wow, that is quite the old thread bump. How does that even happen?!
SUNMAXMOTORS 05-08-2015 01:29 PM

[quote=sureshot007;43240198]Wow, that is quite the old thread bump. How does that even happen?![/quote]eazy!
speaking for myself: I Googled "good rally wheels" and this post came up on first page =o)

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