| Fred | 05-07-2004 11:23 AM |
RSTurbo or M3?
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Just bored & doing some hypothetical daydreaming:
I've been thinking about swapping a WRX engine (or something more sinister) into one of my RSes, which is something I should be able to do myself with a little help (so no $labor). I'm thinking the cost would be around the amount I'd have to spend if I sold that RS, bought an E36 M3 & "refreshed" it. Hmmm...
Pro-RSTurbo:
Duh, it's an RS Turbo.
I could use it for rallyx, track & some autoxes (I have an STS RS which is the "autox car"), and daily-drive it. Basically, it could do "everything."
Good traction when it snows.
I've wanted to do this for a long time.
Aren't M3 parts expensive?
Pro-M3:
Duh, it's an M3.
It would be a lot of fun to have a decent-hp rwd car to play with.
RSTurbo = a lot of work - and it could start breaking stuff.
Wouldn't have to do a lot to it to make it handle amazingly well.
I've heard they're pretty reliable (but is that true?)
I've wanted one since I knew it existed.
Aren't busted Subaru trannies expensive?
If I sold the RS & bought the M3, I'd have a great tarmac car, but I'd be without a rallyx car - but I could just rent a ride with somebody else. But an RS/WRX hybrid would own almost everything in its path, regardless of "track" surface. Sure would be nice to be able to get by all those people I catch in the turns at VIR without them having to slow down after pointing me by - but I could do that with either car.
On my scale of badass cars (that I could actually own), I'd say that both options rate about the same - which is right at the top. Just wondering if I can get some input from people with M3 experience - or RSTurbo experience. Or who just have an opinion. Or a reality check on either car.
And yes, I'm indecisive - but at least I'm not asking which BBK I should get for autox or something... ;) :lol:
I've been thinking about swapping a WRX engine (or something more sinister) into one of my RSes, which is something I should be able to do myself with a little help (so no $labor). I'm thinking the cost would be around the amount I'd have to spend if I sold that RS, bought an E36 M3 & "refreshed" it. Hmmm...
Pro-RSTurbo:
Duh, it's an RS Turbo.
I could use it for rallyx, track & some autoxes (I have an STS RS which is the "autox car"), and daily-drive it. Basically, it could do "everything."
Good traction when it snows.
I've wanted to do this for a long time.
Aren't M3 parts expensive?
Pro-M3:
Duh, it's an M3.
It would be a lot of fun to have a decent-hp rwd car to play with.
RSTurbo = a lot of work - and it could start breaking stuff.
Wouldn't have to do a lot to it to make it handle amazingly well.
I've heard they're pretty reliable (but is that true?)
I've wanted one since I knew it existed.
Aren't busted Subaru trannies expensive?
If I sold the RS & bought the M3, I'd have a great tarmac car, but I'd be without a rallyx car - but I could just rent a ride with somebody else. But an RS/WRX hybrid would own almost everything in its path, regardless of "track" surface. Sure would be nice to be able to get by all those people I catch in the turns at VIR without them having to slow down after pointing me by - but I could do that with either car.
On my scale of badass cars (that I could actually own), I'd say that both options rate about the same - which is right at the top. Just wondering if I can get some input from people with M3 experience - or RSTurbo experience. Or who just have an opinion. Or a reality check on either car.
And yes, I'm indecisive - but at least I'm not asking which BBK I should get for autox or something... ;) :lol:
| cdvma | 05-07-2004 11:25 AM |
Drop the WRX engine into the RS...you wont regret it.
| trhoppe | 05-07-2004 11:30 AM |
[quote]but at least I'm not asking which BBK I should get for autox or something... [/quote]
:furious: :furious: :furious:
WRX motor into RS.....
-Tom
:furious: :furious: :furious:
WRX motor into RS.....
-Tom
| mofugga | 05-07-2004 03:12 PM |
build up an ej22t & put it in the RS
| RyanC | 05-07-2004 03:23 PM |
I had a turbo RS then went to an M Coupe... the RS was a lot of fun, and surprising other people was part of that, but bone stock, my Coupe had better handling, better braking (by far, and I had 4 pots + race pads + ducting on the RS), and as good power. For track duty the M car is a better choice, if only for the fact that you can do just as well in a bone stock car. But the RS-T is a heck of a car, and I miss mine a lot.
| Butt Dyno | 05-07-2004 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mofugga [/i]
[B]build up an ej22t & put it in the RS [/B][/QUOTE]
There are some posts on here about how it will rev to 9000 all day, handle 80 lbs of boost, etc etc. Sounds like it would be a fun motor :)
john
[B]build up an ej22t & put it in the RS [/B][/QUOTE]
There are some posts on here about how it will rev to 9000 all day, handle 80 lbs of boost, etc etc. Sounds like it would be a fun motor :)
john
| stiski | 05-07-2004 05:42 PM |
Thinking about buying new cars is fun...:)
If you have the money to get a new M3 I would definitely save some of it and get a built 2.2 with 5 spd RA gearset and have fun. From what I have read that sounds like a potent combination.
From your posts it seems like you enjoy tinkering with your RS and spinning donuts in empty feilds. Would you be able to do that in an M3? And BMW parts are super expensive.
If you have the money to get a new M3 I would definitely save some of it and get a built 2.2 with 5 spd RA gearset and have fun. From what I have read that sounds like a potent combination.
From your posts it seems like you enjoy tinkering with your RS and spinning donuts in empty feilds. Would you be able to do that in an M3? And BMW parts are super expensive.
| jmott | 05-07-2004 06:49 PM |
Re: RSTurbo or M3?
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for an autocross/track car, M3 all the way. In fact, you can save yourself $10k and just get a used 328i instead.
for a street car/occasional dirt road use - RSturbo maybe.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Just bored & doing some hypothetical daydreaming:
I've been thinking about swapping a WRX engine (or something more sinister) into one of my RSes, which is something I should be able to do myself with a little help (so no $labor). I'm thinking the cost would be around the amount I'd have to spend if I sold that RS, bought an E36 M3 & "refreshed" it. Hmmm...
Pro-RSTurbo:
Duh, it's an RS Turbo.
I could use it for rallyx, track & some autoxes (I have an STS RS which is the "autox car"), and daily-drive it. Basically, it could do "everything."
Good traction when it snows.
I've wanted to do this for a long time.
Aren't M3 parts expensive?
Pro-M3:
Duh, it's an M3.
It would be a lot of fun to have a decent-hp rwd car to play with.
RSTurbo = a lot of work - and it could start breaking stuff.
Wouldn't have to do a lot to it to make it handle amazingly well.
I've heard they're pretty reliable (but is that true?)
I've wanted one since I knew it existed.
Aren't busted Subaru trannies expensive?
If I sold the RS & bought the M3, I'd have a great tarmac car, but I'd be without a rallyx car - but I could just rent a ride with somebody else. But an RS/WRX hybrid would own almost everything in its path, regardless of "track" surface. Sure would be nice to be able to get by all those people I catch in the turns at VIR without them having to slow down after pointing me by - but I could do that with either car.
On my scale of badass cars (that I could actually own), I'd say that both options rate about the same - which is right at the top. Just wondering if I can get some input from people with M3 experience - or RSTurbo experience. Or who just have an opinion. Or a reality check on either car.
And yes, I'm indecisive - but at least I'm not asking which BBK I should get for autox or something... ;) :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
for a street car/occasional dirt road use - RSturbo maybe.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Just bored & doing some hypothetical daydreaming:
I've been thinking about swapping a WRX engine (or something more sinister) into one of my RSes, which is something I should be able to do myself with a little help (so no $labor). I'm thinking the cost would be around the amount I'd have to spend if I sold that RS, bought an E36 M3 & "refreshed" it. Hmmm...
Pro-RSTurbo:
Duh, it's an RS Turbo.
I could use it for rallyx, track & some autoxes (I have an STS RS which is the "autox car"), and daily-drive it. Basically, it could do "everything."
Good traction when it snows.
I've wanted to do this for a long time.
Aren't M3 parts expensive?
Pro-M3:
Duh, it's an M3.
It would be a lot of fun to have a decent-hp rwd car to play with.
RSTurbo = a lot of work - and it could start breaking stuff.
Wouldn't have to do a lot to it to make it handle amazingly well.
I've heard they're pretty reliable (but is that true?)
I've wanted one since I knew it existed.
Aren't busted Subaru trannies expensive?
If I sold the RS & bought the M3, I'd have a great tarmac car, but I'd be without a rallyx car - but I could just rent a ride with somebody else. But an RS/WRX hybrid would own almost everything in its path, regardless of "track" surface. Sure would be nice to be able to get by all those people I catch in the turns at VIR without them having to slow down after pointing me by - but I could do that with either car.
On my scale of badass cars (that I could actually own), I'd say that both options rate about the same - which is right at the top. Just wondering if I can get some input from people with M3 experience - or RSTurbo experience. Or who just have an opinion. Or a reality check on either car.
And yes, I'm indecisive - but at least I'm not asking which BBK I should get for autox or something... ;) :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
| AndyRoo | 05-07-2004 08:17 PM |
im sure the RS Turbo would end up being way more expensive after you bring it up to par with the M3 in terms handling/braking. Just the engine swap might be close in price, but there would still be a lot to do after that. It would also potentially be a headache and/or troublesome. RWD is fun, too.
That being said...an EJ22t would be amazing and way cooler. Isnt that all that counts?
That being said...an EJ22t would be amazing and way cooler. Isnt that all that counts?
| Burnout | 05-08-2004 11:10 PM |
Yeh instead of doing a full 2.2 swap iv heard good things about 2.2 short block and SOHC heads, someone please correct me if im wrong. Don't think there would be a reliability issue there except for maybe the transmission depending on how much power you put out but a wrx gearbox could probably take care of that. That leaving the biggest thing to tend to would be engine management.
Or you could skip all that and do a wrx swap and not have to worry about any of it. But 2.2 = more torque and torque is good for the rallycross.
Or you could skip all that and do a wrx swap and not have to worry about any of it. But 2.2 = more torque and torque is good for the rallycross.
| Butt Dyno | 05-08-2004 11:32 PM |
If this doesn't make you want the EJ22-T... nothing will!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352136&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
[quote] 4. The T.Legacy engine failure experiment I refer to invloved my attempt to find out what the limits of the engine were. It started with a T.Leg engine with 150,000 miles from the junkyard. First, I ran it for weeks at 27-30 psi. Second, I over-revved it to 11,000 rpm twice, by shifting from 2nd gear redlined, to first (by the way, this shift can only be done with a dogbox). After having no failures, I finally took it to Second Creek Raceway. This track is a 1.7 mile circuit track, with hills, chicanes, all kinds of turns, and so forth. I drove the piss out of it for 20 laps straight (over twenty minutes straight), shifting at 9000 rpm, heating the hell out of it, and pummeling it with tons of boost. Eventually, I spun the number 2 rod bearing. After tearing down the engine, inspection of the engine revealed that other than the bearing, the rest of the engine was in perfect shape. Furthermore, the failed rod bearing was more than likely caused by damage sustained from the 11000 rpm incidents.[/quote]
john
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352136&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
[quote] 4. The T.Legacy engine failure experiment I refer to invloved my attempt to find out what the limits of the engine were. It started with a T.Leg engine with 150,000 miles from the junkyard. First, I ran it for weeks at 27-30 psi. Second, I over-revved it to 11,000 rpm twice, by shifting from 2nd gear redlined, to first (by the way, this shift can only be done with a dogbox). After having no failures, I finally took it to Second Creek Raceway. This track is a 1.7 mile circuit track, with hills, chicanes, all kinds of turns, and so forth. I drove the piss out of it for 20 laps straight (over twenty minutes straight), shifting at 9000 rpm, heating the hell out of it, and pummeling it with tons of boost. Eventually, I spun the number 2 rod bearing. After tearing down the engine, inspection of the engine revealed that other than the bearing, the rest of the engine was in perfect shape. Furthermore, the failed rod bearing was more than likely caused by damage sustained from the 11000 rpm incidents.[/quote]
john
| subaru16valve | 05-09-2004 02:03 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ButtDyno [/i]
[B]If this doesn't make you want the EJ22-T... nothing will!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352136&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
john [/B][/QUOTE]
:eek:
...whoa.
Note: What is the estimated cost for a built 2.2, either purchased in pieces or swapped (as in.. in the car, ready to go, pee your pants power at your foot right then)?
-A
[B]If this doesn't make you want the EJ22-T... nothing will!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352136&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
john [/B][/QUOTE]
:eek:
...whoa.
Note: What is the estimated cost for a built 2.2, either purchased in pieces or swapped (as in.. in the car, ready to go, pee your pants power at your foot right then)?
-A
| Butt Dyno | 05-09-2004 10:02 AM |
No clue :)
john
john
| Fitz | 05-09-2004 02:50 PM |
M3.
Fitz
Fitz
| Morison | 05-09-2004 03:37 PM |
odd question - why noyt just build the hell out of a normally aspirated 2.5 engine? A local company to me figures that they can get a reliable 300HP easily out of a 2.5 engine.
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP!
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP!
| Capt Crunch | 05-09-2004 05:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morison[/i]
[B] odd question - why noyt just build the hell out of a normally aspirated 2.5 engine? A local company to me figures that they can get a reliable 300HP easily out of a 2.5 engine.
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP! [/B][/QUOTE]
NA?!?!!? The E46 M3 motor gets 315 out of a 3.2 and it is the most highly strung motor I can think of. A 2.5 making 300 hp would be quite a feat.
[B] odd question - why noyt just build the hell out of a normally aspirated 2.5 engine? A local company to me figures that they can get a reliable 300HP easily out of a 2.5 engine.
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP! [/B][/QUOTE]
NA?!?!!? The E46 M3 motor gets 315 out of a 3.2 and it is the most highly strung motor I can think of. A 2.5 making 300 hp would be quite a feat.
| Fitz | 05-09-2004 06:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morison [/i]
[B]odd question - why noyt just build the hell out of a normally aspirated 2.5 engine? A local company to me figures that they can get a reliable 300HP easily out of a 2.5 engine.
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP! [/B][/QUOTE]
For the price of that 300hp NA motor and the engine management to go along with it you could probably buy a brand new M3.
Fitz
[B]odd question - why noyt just build the hell out of a normally aspirated 2.5 engine? A local company to me figures that they can get a reliable 300HP easily out of a 2.5 engine.
you get rid of the turbo hassles and still get to enjoy good HP! [/B][/QUOTE]
For the price of that 300hp NA motor and the engine management to go along with it you could probably buy a brand new M3.
Fitz
| Fred | 05-09-2004 09:39 PM |
Well, I got to drive Anders Green's H6 Impreza rally car several times yesterday after our rallycross school, and now I have another option to consider...
:devil:
I don't suck at rallycross, and I ain't afraid to get my RS sliding through corners at 50mph with my foot on the floor, but this thing was so fast it seemed like it was powered by pure evil. And it was on practically-slick street tires. :lol:
I remarked on how hard it was to drive fast compared to my RS, and Anders replied, "now imagine doing that in 3rd gear with trees on each side." :eek: :lol:
:devil:
I don't suck at rallycross, and I ain't afraid to get my RS sliding through corners at 50mph with my foot on the floor, but this thing was so fast it seemed like it was powered by pure evil. And it was on practically-slick street tires. :lol:
I remarked on how hard it was to drive fast compared to my RS, and Anders replied, "now imagine doing that in 3rd gear with trees on each side." :eek: :lol:
| DrBiggly | 05-10-2004 11:25 AM |
Oooh, you got to drive Anders' car? Sweet! :D
"powered by pure evil" That's just awesome. :lol: :devil:
"powered by pure evil" That's just awesome. :lol: :devil:
| DrBiggly | 05-10-2004 01:07 PM |
Hey wait a minute, if this thing was powered by pure concentrated evil does that mean that there is a woman under the hood? :confused: :lol:
| WRXchickNJ | 05-10-2004 01:10 PM |
e36 m3 + supercharger =:D
from someone who knows.
from someone who knows.
| Kostamojen | 05-10-2004 04:22 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Well, I got to drive Anders Green's H6 Impreza rally car several times yesterday after our rallycross school, and now I have another option to consider...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Lucky bastard! :furious: :furious: :furious:
P.S. The new EZ30-R H6 in the 2005's has 250hp instead of 210 ;)
[B]Well, I got to drive Anders Green's H6 Impreza rally car several times yesterday after our rallycross school, and now I have another option to consider...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Lucky bastard! :furious: :furious: :furious:
P.S. The new EZ30-R H6 in the 2005's has 250hp instead of 210 ;)
| Takashi | 05-10-2004 05:28 PM |
if i were you, i'd go with the m3... i mean you already have an rs, and rwd=tons of fun.
just my quick take on it...
just my quick take on it...
| Takashi | 05-10-2004 05:30 PM |
oh, and i know that this is probably a bit out of the picture for your price range, but i've heard that z06s are pretty cheap these days (relatively cheap that is...).
| anders8 | 05-12-2004 07:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DrBiggly [/i]
[B]Hey wait a minute, if this thing was powered by pure concentrated evil does that mean that there is a woman under the hood? :confused: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahh, well, if that's the case, DrBiggly, our tow van is powered by pure concentrated evil.
But I think in this case, since the van is actually [B]not[/B] fast, it's powered by love. ;)
Here's a picture of Amy nearly kissing the Rochester Quadrajet while replacing a bunk thermostat in a parking lot on the way home from Rally Tennessee.
[IMG]http://linaracing.com/pics/2004-tennessee-anders-green-van-fixing-2.jpg[/IMG]
[B]Hey wait a minute, if this thing was powered by pure concentrated evil does that mean that there is a woman under the hood? :confused: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahh, well, if that's the case, DrBiggly, our tow van is powered by pure concentrated evil.
But I think in this case, since the van is actually [B]not[/B] fast, it's powered by love. ;)
Here's a picture of Amy nearly kissing the Rochester Quadrajet while replacing a bunk thermostat in a parking lot on the way home from Rally Tennessee.
[IMG]http://linaracing.com/pics/2004-tennessee-anders-green-van-fixing-2.jpg[/IMG]
| anders8 | 05-12-2004 07:57 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen[/i]
Lucky bastard! :furious: :furious: :furious:
[/QUOTE]
If you come organize some rallycrosses on the East Coast, you can too! :) Your location is killing you for that though! :(
[QUOTE]
P.S. The new EZ30-R H6 in the 2005's has 250hp instead of 210 ;) [/QUOTE]
True. It revs higher, and that HP is at a higher rpm... but check the torque on it. Only 10 or 12 more. Plus pricey and will be nearly impossible to find from a junkyard for several years.
That said, if you find a free one, send it my way. ;)
Lucky bastard! :furious: :furious: :furious:
[/QUOTE]
If you come organize some rallycrosses on the East Coast, you can too! :) Your location is killing you for that though! :(
[QUOTE]
P.S. The new EZ30-R H6 in the 2005's has 250hp instead of 210 ;) [/QUOTE]
True. It revs higher, and that HP is at a higher rpm... but check the torque on it. Only 10 or 12 more. Plus pricey and will be nearly impossible to find from a junkyard for several years.
That said, if you find a free one, send it my way. ;)
| rallygirl | 05-12-2004 08:59 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DrBiggly [/i]
[B]Hey wait a minute, if this thing was powered by pure concentrated evil does that mean that there is a woman under the hood? :confused: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, just me--behind the wheel! :devil:
[B]Hey wait a minute, if this thing was powered by pure concentrated evil does that mean that there is a woman under the hood? :confused: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, just me--behind the wheel! :devil:
| DrBiggly | 05-12-2004 10:40 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rallygirl[/i]
[B] Nope, just me--behind the wheel! :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :)
[B] Nope, just me--behind the wheel! :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :)
| Kostamojen | 05-13-2004 02:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by anders8 [/i]
[B]That said, if you find a free one, send it my way. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude you know if its free its going in my car :p
Heck if I ever see any EZ30 pop up for sale cheap or free im buying it asap! :disco:
What im hearing about the R so far though is that it has the torque of the previous motor and then some, plus the extra revs to keep it in the power band longer, and the AVCS ECU would mean more tunability to get the extra umph out of the engine... I feel like ive been talking about it forever since I saw the stats about it, I think im going to go out of my way to drive one (even though it comes stock in a 3500lbs scoob with an auto...)
[B]That said, if you find a free one, send it my way. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude you know if its free its going in my car :p
Heck if I ever see any EZ30 pop up for sale cheap or free im buying it asap! :disco:
What im hearing about the R so far though is that it has the torque of the previous motor and then some, plus the extra revs to keep it in the power band longer, and the AVCS ECU would mean more tunability to get the extra umph out of the engine... I feel like ive been talking about it forever since I saw the stats about it, I think im going to go out of my way to drive one (even though it comes stock in a 3500lbs scoob with an auto...)
| anders8 | 05-13-2004 08:28 AM |
Ok, this is nearly a total thread hijack, but I'd add this to EZ30 vs EZ30-R for GC8:
I've been thinking about the installation, and I'm not sure it would well or at all for a GC8 swap. As it stands, the single exhaust port is only slightly forward of the steering, and curves around it quite closely. When you add one more fore and aft of it (as the R has one exit for each cylinder) one of them (on each side) is going to be coming out nearly directly on top of the steering boot at the rack.
Until I see one or some measurements on that, I'm going to take the position of "EZ30-R harder to swap than EZ30, because of exhaust fab, and maybe impossible."
But let's hope some enterprising young lad tries it. :)
Anders
I've been thinking about the installation, and I'm not sure it would well or at all for a GC8 swap. As it stands, the single exhaust port is only slightly forward of the steering, and curves around it quite closely. When you add one more fore and aft of it (as the R has one exit for each cylinder) one of them (on each side) is going to be coming out nearly directly on top of the steering boot at the rack.
Until I see one or some measurements on that, I'm going to take the position of "EZ30-R harder to swap than EZ30, because of exhaust fab, and maybe impossible."
But let's hope some enterprising young lad tries it. :)
Anders
| Burnout | 05-13-2004 10:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by anders8 [/i]
impossible
[/QUOTE]
Whats that?
impossible
[/QUOTE]
Whats that?
| anders8 | 05-13-2004 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE][QUOTE]impossible[/QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Burnout [/i]
[B]Whats that? [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
It would be difficult for you to take what I said [B]more[/B] out of context.
If you want non-qualified soundbites, please look somewhere else.
(regrets that this post adds nothing to Fred's engine swap debate :( )
[B]Whats that? [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
It would be difficult for you to take what I said [B]more[/B] out of context.
If you want non-qualified soundbites, please look somewhere else.
(regrets that this post adds nothing to Fred's engine swap debate :( )
| suby_dude | 05-13-2004 01:50 PM |
fred
here's an RS turbo video...
[url]http://www.minircdude.com/videos/ultimate_car_balance_0001.wmv[/url]
sd
here's an RS turbo video...
[url]http://www.minircdude.com/videos/ultimate_car_balance_0001.wmv[/url]
sd
| NeoteriX | 05-13-2004 02:23 PM |
"You step on the gas."
:lol:
:lol:
| jandro62 | 05-13-2004 05:10 PM |
The M3 is more amusing. But, you may not feel as comfortable tossing around a car thats worth more.
The E36 M3 is simply a beautiful machine. Few things compare to the precise feeling of this car in regards to steering input, handling, breaking, and throttle response. However, its not the brutish surge of power that you experience with a Z06. Its more refined. The Z06 is an interesting option but again, damage to fiberglass is not the cheapest repair, nor are there a huge number of junkyard LS6 motors lying around. Neither the RS nor the M3 have a heads up display though :) . The RS will be fun as a car you can wrench on, enjoy, curse at, and really play with. However, it doesn't have the girl appeal of the M3... (its an important consideration usually). Saving any extra money and having a more disposable toy with the RS seems like the prudent and enjoyable route.
The E36 M3 is simply a beautiful machine. Few things compare to the precise feeling of this car in regards to steering input, handling, breaking, and throttle response. However, its not the brutish surge of power that you experience with a Z06. Its more refined. The Z06 is an interesting option but again, damage to fiberglass is not the cheapest repair, nor are there a huge number of junkyard LS6 motors lying around. Neither the RS nor the M3 have a heads up display though :) . The RS will be fun as a car you can wrench on, enjoy, curse at, and really play with. However, it doesn't have the girl appeal of the M3... (its an important consideration usually). Saving any extra money and having a more disposable toy with the RS seems like the prudent and enjoyable route.
| jandro62 | 05-13-2004 05:13 PM |
Oh, one other last thought, once you drive a manual transmission bmw, you will want to have sex with the transmission. Its just a sexy feeling. Its tighter than a choir girl. Perfect amount of throw, perfect amount of force required. Those guys know how to set up a tranny.
| DrBiggly | 05-13-2004 05:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jandro62[/i]
[B] However, it doesn't have the girl appeal of the M3... (its an important consideration usually). Saving any extra money and having a more disposable toy with the RS seems like the prudent and enjoyable route. [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh. Fred doesn't have to worry about the girl appeal of the car...unless his wife refuses to autox it with him and stays with the regular RS they've been driving. ;) :)
[B] However, it doesn't have the girl appeal of the M3... (its an important consideration usually). Saving any extra money and having a more disposable toy with the RS seems like the prudent and enjoyable route. [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh. Fred doesn't have to worry about the girl appeal of the car...unless his wife refuses to autox it with him and stays with the regular RS they've been driving. ;) :)
| Kostamojen | 05-13-2004 10:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by anders8 [/i]
[B]Until I see one or some measurements on that, I'm going to take the position of "EZ30-R harder to swap than EZ30, because of exhaust fab, and maybe impossible."
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Interesting. Although there are options in terms of which crossmembers to use and such which might help alieviate this... I have seen worse space problems delt with in terms of exhausts though, but then again you can just go right out to the side of the car if all else fails :p
[B]Until I see one or some measurements on that, I'm going to take the position of "EZ30-R harder to swap than EZ30, because of exhaust fab, and maybe impossible."
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Interesting. Although there are options in terms of which crossmembers to use and such which might help alieviate this... I have seen worse space problems delt with in terms of exhausts though, but then again you can just go right out to the side of the car if all else fails :p
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