| Hiroprotaganist | 10-02-2004 02:05 PM |
STi Key Blank - Engine Starts & Immediately Dies
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Hi! New '05 STi owner here - car is amazing, NASIOC is a great resource.
Bought an STi key blank and had it cut by locksmith. The cut was reasonably good, but not perfect. Key opens doors/trunks without a problem, although it only seems to work well on one side.
Tried STi key in ignition - key turns smooth, no friction - engine starts and IMMEDIATELY dies. Immediately on, immediately off. I switch to OEM key, no problem at all. Thinking that some RF chip must be the cause, I try STi key with OEM key on keyring next to it. Same story, immediately start & stop. Does the key have to be cut in such a narrow tolerance? Again, it does not require any force to open doors/trunk/turn engine over.
I did try board search function as well as FAQ prior to posting, couldn't find anything on this specific issue.
Thanks for the help!
Bought an STi key blank and had it cut by locksmith. The cut was reasonably good, but not perfect. Key opens doors/trunks without a problem, although it only seems to work well on one side.
Tried STi key in ignition - key turns smooth, no friction - engine starts and IMMEDIATELY dies. Immediately on, immediately off. I switch to OEM key, no problem at all. Thinking that some RF chip must be the cause, I try STi key with OEM key on keyring next to it. Same story, immediately start & stop. Does the key have to be cut in such a narrow tolerance? Again, it does not require any force to open doors/trunk/turn engine over.
I did try board search function as well as FAQ prior to posting, couldn't find anything on this specific issue.
Thanks for the help!
| Fijimunkii | 10-02-2004 02:29 PM |
You may have to go to the dealership for the keycut. I know my local hardware store cuts keys but they were only able to cut my valet key, the main key didn't work.
| kennyvb | 10-02-2004 02:29 PM |
isn't this what the immobilizer does?
| PossumK | 10-02-2004 02:30 PM |
:o nm, I'll have to look this one up.
| jaypride | 10-02-2004 02:51 PM |
[QUOTE=kennyvb]isn't this what the immobilizer does?[/QUOTE]
Yes. The 05's cannot use the non-chipped key.
You're dealer can verify that.
Yes. The 05's cannot use the non-chipped key.
You're dealer can verify that.
| Gfunk720 | 10-02-2004 02:54 PM |
Jaypride is correct..... The 05 kets have the immobilizer in them. If the car is started without the key that has the transponder in it, it will die immediatly....
Hey, atleast you can open your trunk in style
Hey, atleast you can open your trunk in style
| Obnoxio | 10-02-2004 02:58 PM |
^^^ Beat me to it. You have an immobilzer key, with a small chip which is recognized by the car. Its a good spare to get into the car, but it wont start it. You may want to check your owners manual, Subaru has been nice enough in the past to have instructions on how to program remotes, so you never know.
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| elijah25rs | 10-02-2004 03:49 PM |
Nice...
| humara | 10-02-2004 04:29 PM |
05 wrx
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A good friend just bought an 05 wrx wagon. it still has the same key i have in my 04. did subaru cheap out and only give the sti's the immobilizer??
his remote is different looking but the key is the same crappy one we all have.
his remote is different looking but the key is the same crappy one we all have.
| feiron | 10-02-2004 08:36 PM |
The dealer will cut your blank key along with the proper chip and it'll cost you about $20-$25 if not mistaken. The WRX should have that kind of key too... at least let it be an upgrade option :mad:
| N'CTRL | 10-02-2004 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE=humara] did subaru cheap out and only give the sti's the immobilizer??
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Yes.
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Yes.
| piker28 | 10-02-2004 10:31 PM |
^^no
dont the legacys have it? (new gts that is)
dont the legacys have it? (new gts that is)
| Hondaslayer | 10-02-2004 10:48 PM |
If it cost over 30k it has an Immobilizer in it.
| Hiroprotaganist | 10-03-2004 12:01 AM |
Okay -
Thank you all for the responses, I greatly appreciate it. To summarize, and just to be sure I am clear:
1) The '05 STi has an immobilizer function which precludes the use of non-chipped keys.
2) The STi keyblank cannot be used out of the box (even if it is cut perfectly) because it is not equipped with the chip.
3) The STi keyblank must be brought to the dealer to get the chip.
Just one follow-up point. I did try and start the car using the STi key with the OEM key literally right next to it. Wouldn't the proximity of the OEM key allow for me to start the car using the STi key? Obviously, not an optimal situation, I was just testing. Is the immobilizer chip based on RF (radiofrequency)? How does the car "know" whether the key I am using has the chip or whether the chip is nearby?
Lastly, where the he$$ do you put the chip on the STi key? Doesn't its design prevent that? The OEM key fob is so comparatively big.....
Thanks again!
Thank you all for the responses, I greatly appreciate it. To summarize, and just to be sure I am clear:
1) The '05 STi has an immobilizer function which precludes the use of non-chipped keys.
2) The STi keyblank cannot be used out of the box (even if it is cut perfectly) because it is not equipped with the chip.
3) The STi keyblank must be brought to the dealer to get the chip.
Just one follow-up point. I did try and start the car using the STi key with the OEM key literally right next to it. Wouldn't the proximity of the OEM key allow for me to start the car using the STi key? Obviously, not an optimal situation, I was just testing. Is the immobilizer chip based on RF (radiofrequency)? How does the car "know" whether the key I am using has the chip or whether the chip is nearby?
Lastly, where the he$$ do you put the chip on the STi key? Doesn't its design prevent that? The OEM key fob is so comparatively big.....
Thanks again!
| feiron | 10-03-2004 02:39 AM |
correction on point no.3
the blank sti key isnt sold anywhere else.. only dealers have them. So you must order they keys from the dealer... I have no idea what system is used for the chip for sure its not radio frequency..
the blank sti key isnt sold anywhere else.. only dealers have them. So you must order they keys from the dealer... I have no idea what system is used for the chip for sure its not radio frequency..
| fiftyonefifty | 10-03-2004 02:42 AM |
The chip probably sends its signal through the key itself.
| krayge | 10-03-2004 03:30 AM |
immobilizer chips work on a similar principle to plugging in a fan or tv. there is a VERY light electrical current sent thru the key to the chip which basically "turns on" the emitter. it is very subtle, so you have to have the key very close in order for this to work. this keeps the key transponder from affecting anything else Rf based nearby...radio, keyless entry...whatever.
BTW, you CAN get a keyless starter for chipped keys like this, but you need a key that yer not gonna use again. basically, you can get a little mount that will accept a key piece with the transponder cut from a normal key (the one you don't use again). they can put this piece in the mount and, when starting the system remotely, will put a very light electrical current thru the transponder and make the system "think" a real key is there. it has to be mounted right next to the ignition tho, in the steering wheel housing. however, once the auto-start system is disarmed, the device stops transmitting, so if you have a non-chipped key it WILL cause the car to die...security feature. point this out cause a guy i know tried to get this put in on his car and wouldn;t allow the new key to keep the car running once he disengaged the auto-start and took control of the car. :/
BTW, you CAN get a keyless starter for chipped keys like this, but you need a key that yer not gonna use again. basically, you can get a little mount that will accept a key piece with the transponder cut from a normal key (the one you don't use again). they can put this piece in the mount and, when starting the system remotely, will put a very light electrical current thru the transponder and make the system "think" a real key is there. it has to be mounted right next to the ignition tho, in the steering wheel housing. however, once the auto-start system is disarmed, the device stops transmitting, so if you have a non-chipped key it WILL cause the car to die...security feature. point this out cause a guy i know tried to get this put in on his car and wouldn;t allow the new key to keep the car running once he disengaged the auto-start and took control of the car. :/
| ChrisL2 | 10-03-2004 04:01 AM |
FYI. You can use that STi key. You just have to keep the normal key on the keychain also. There is guy here in Tucson who runs his STi like that.
| scoobyimpreza | 10-03-2004 04:47 AM |
anyway to install the immobilizer in a car? hahaha
| austinpike | 10-03-2004 11:59 AM |
[QUOTE=krayge]there is a VERY light electrical current sent thru the key to the chip which basically "turns on" the emitter. it is very subtle, so you have to have the key very close in order for this to work.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info; I kind of thought something like that was going on.
I acutally sacrificed my valet key to play around with this. There is a good amount of dead space in the remote keyfob, so I thought maybe I could just stick the chip in there since it would always be on the keychain anyway. Hacked open the valet key and pulled the chip out, but no joy, apparently having the chip in the keyfob is not good enough. Put the chip back in the key, taped it up and it worked again, so apparently I didn't damage the chip.
I did play aound with the de-chipped valet key and having the regular key nearby; it sort of worked sometimes. Maybe "that guy there in Tuscon" has better luck than me.
[QUOTE=Hiroprotaganist]3) The STi keyblank must be brought to the dealer to get the chip.[/QUOTE]you can't "get" a key chipped; you have to buy a key with the chip already in it. Which means only keys with the big chunky plastic thing. Though the chip itself is pretty small, with a dremel and some determination you might be able to hack out a space in the STi key to hold it.
I acutally sacrificed my valet key to play around with this. There is a good amount of dead space in the remote keyfob, so I thought maybe I could just stick the chip in there since it would always be on the keychain anyway. Hacked open the valet key and pulled the chip out, but no joy, apparently having the chip in the keyfob is not good enough. Put the chip back in the key, taped it up and it worked again, so apparently I didn't damage the chip.
I did play aound with the de-chipped valet key and having the regular key nearby; it sort of worked sometimes. Maybe "that guy there in Tuscon" has better luck than me.
[QUOTE=Hiroprotaganist]3) The STi keyblank must be brought to the dealer to get the chip.[/QUOTE]you can't "get" a key chipped; you have to buy a key with the chip already in it. Which means only keys with the big chunky plastic thing. Though the chip itself is pretty small, with a dremel and some determination you might be able to hack out a space in the STi key to hold it.
| Hiroprotaganist | 10-03-2004 05:05 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisL2]FYI. You can use that STi key. You just have to keep the normal key on the keychain also. There is guy here in Tucson who runs his STi like that.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't work at all - tried it. The normal OEM key is right next to it and it doesn't work at all.
Also, a point regarding the last post that was made by austinpike. You said that you can't get a key chipped - you have to buy it with the chip already in it. If that is the case, then how do any of the STi keyblanks work with any US-spec car? Are you saying that there already is a chip in the STi keyblank and that is just has to be programmed to work with the US car? Its form factor suggest to me that there isn't a chip in there at all. ANd if that's the case, you point would logically mean that no STi keyblank could ever work with a car that is equipped with an immobilizer.
So - people can confirm that the STi keyblank will work on the '05 model, right?
That doesn't work at all - tried it. The normal OEM key is right next to it and it doesn't work at all.
Also, a point regarding the last post that was made by austinpike. You said that you can't get a key chipped - you have to buy it with the chip already in it. If that is the case, then how do any of the STi keyblanks work with any US-spec car? Are you saying that there already is a chip in the STi keyblank and that is just has to be programmed to work with the US car? Its form factor suggest to me that there isn't a chip in there at all. ANd if that's the case, you point would logically mean that no STi keyblank could ever work with a car that is equipped with an immobilizer.
So - people can confirm that the STi keyblank will work on the '05 model, right?
| sidewayz | 10-03-2004 05:10 PM |
BTW... its called STI not STi ;)
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key
| austinpike | 10-03-2004 05:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Hiroprotaganist]Are you saying that there already is a chip in the STi keyblank and that is just has to be programmed to work with the US car?... So - people can confirm that the STi keyblank will work on the '05 model, right?[/QUOTE]The "cool" metal STi key will only work in an '04 STi (or WRX, etc,) or an '05 that has had the immobilizer feature disabled. It has no chip in it. The '04 STi had no immobilizer and thus required no chip. If you bought the blank from the dealer they should have known better. (assuming they knew you have an '05)
The only key you can get for an '05 STi is the one with the chunky plastic; it comes with a chip in it and the dealer will program your car to recognize the chip. The exception would be a blank chipped Legacy key, which also has chunky plastic but is slightly less ugly than the STi key. It could be programmed to work with your STi.
The only key you can get for an '05 STi is the one with the chunky plastic; it comes with a chip in it and the dealer will program your car to recognize the chip. The exception would be a blank chipped Legacy key, which also has chunky plastic but is slightly less ugly than the STi key. It could be programmed to work with your STi.
| gjhsu | 10-03-2004 06:24 PM |
[QUOTE=sidewayz]BTW... its called STI not STi ;)
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huh? no it's not. It's STi ;)
[quote]You may have to go to the dealership for the keycut. I know my local hardware store cuts keys but they were only able to cut my valet key, the main key didn't work.[/quote]
That's odd. I got my STi blank cut at Home Depot for free, car started up like a champ, and the trunk opens.... unless you mean specifically for the STi. In which case, nevermind. :)
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huh? no it's not. It's STi ;)
[quote]You may have to go to the dealership for the keycut. I know my local hardware store cuts keys but they were only able to cut my valet key, the main key didn't work.[/quote]
That's odd. I got my STi blank cut at Home Depot for free, car started up like a champ, and the trunk opens.... unless you mean specifically for the STi. In which case, nevermind. :)
| sidewayz | 10-03-2004 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE=gjhsu]huh? no it's not. It's STi ;)
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oh yeah...WRx and 2.5Rs :D
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oh yeah...WRx and 2.5Rs :D
| Hiroprotaganist | 10-03-2004 10:25 PM |
[QUOTE=sidewayz]BTW... its called STI not STi ;)
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key[/QUOTE]
Actully, I think it really is STi - check out this old forum.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=83[/url]
Well, looks like I was snookered by the dealership then. They should have known that the STi keyblank wouldn't have worked in '05 model because of the immobilizer. Looks like I now have a $20 memento....
Thanks to everyone for their assistance! I also read in the manual this evening that unless a key with a "transponder" was used (their word), it would not start the car even if were perfectly cut.
Looks like this case is closed!
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key[/QUOTE]
Actully, I think it really is STi - check out this old forum.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=83[/url]
Well, looks like I was snookered by the dealership then. They should have known that the STi keyblank wouldn't have worked in '05 model because of the immobilizer. Looks like I now have a $20 memento....
Thanks to everyone for their assistance! I also read in the manual this evening that unless a key with a "transponder" was used (their word), it would not start the car even if were perfectly cut.
Looks like this case is closed!
| DOH_minion | 10-04-2004 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=sidewayz]BTW... its called STI not STi ;)
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key[/QUOTE]
ahem.....
reading introducton section b.
[url]http://logos.subaru.com/guidelines/STiSpecs.pdf[/url]
and being used here as in reference to the Impreza model and not the company...................
it's STi.
Jo0 b3n PWNED!!!!!eleven!!
:D
have you tried a bypass module? check up at a stereo shop, they have to use those for remote starters for cars with chips in the key[/QUOTE]
ahem.....
reading introducton section b.
[url]http://logos.subaru.com/guidelines/STiSpecs.pdf[/url]
and being used here as in reference to the Impreza model and not the company...................
it's STi.
Jo0 b3n PWNED!!!!!eleven!!
:D
| soso3 | 10-04-2004 01:16 PM |
[QUOTE=sidewayz]oh yeah...WRx and 2.5Rs :D[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
The Forester XT has a chipped key also.
:rolleyes:
The Forester XT has a chipped key also.
| Neek | 10-04-2004 01:21 PM |
I don't the the Blue STi key blanks can be retrofitted with the immobilizer chip. If you want to get another key, you must get it from the dealer, and AFAIK, the blue STi blanks cannot hold the immobilizer chip, unless you hack it in there somehow.
They certainly weren't designed to hold the transponder chip, or us '05 owners would still have the blue key.
They certainly weren't designed to hold the transponder chip, or us '05 owners would still have the blue key.
| sidewayz | 10-04-2004 05:44 PM |
[QUOTE=DOH_minion]ahem.....
reading introducton section b.
[url]http://logos.subaru.com/guidelines/STiSpecs.pdf[/url]
and being used here as in reference to the Impreza model and not the company...................
it's STi.
Jo0 b3n PWNED!!!!!eleven!!
:D[/QUOTE]
I guess I did get owned! holy crap, I never EVER saw that in the 3 scoobs that I have owned!
reading introducton section b.
[url]http://logos.subaru.com/guidelines/STiSpecs.pdf[/url]
and being used here as in reference to the Impreza model and not the company...................
it's STi.
Jo0 b3n PWNED!!!!!eleven!!
:D[/QUOTE]
I guess I did get owned! holy crap, I never EVER saw that in the 3 scoobs that I have owned!
| DieselClown | 10-05-2004 12:17 AM |
seriously, is there a way i can install the immobilizer in my 05 wrx?
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