| quelegal | 11-14-2005 05:37 PM |
Streets of Willow Springs
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Hey, if you were at the Streets of Willow Springs this past weekend, please post on this thread. Had a blast at the track, really enjoyed my new Prodrive springs. Thanks to Garage Tuning for installing it.
| makofoto | 11-14-2005 08:15 PM |
This Vette driver didn't have such a good time ... I guess he only made it 1.5 times around the course before flipping. Pretty hard to flip those low slung Vette's!
[url]http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1233722&forum_id=23[/url]
[url]http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1233722&forum_id=23[/url]
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 08:32 PM |
Pretty hard to flip at Streets too
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 08:32 PM |
Oh, and a more descriptive thread title would be appreciated.
| quelegal | 11-17-2005 01:31 AM |
Will work on a better title next time.
Glad that vette driver made it out ok.
I guess I was at lunch when all of that happened. Crazy. According to the corvette forum, the guy took the lap after the warm up lap too quickly and flipped his car. I'll take it easier on the 1st several laps next time at streets of willow springs.
Glad that vette driver made it out ok.
I guess I was at lunch when all of that happened. Crazy. According to the corvette forum, the guy took the lap after the warm up lap too quickly and flipped his car. I'll take it easier on the 1st several laps next time at streets of willow springs.
| makofoto | 11-17-2005 01:35 AM |
Why not just come out and Auto Cross with us and NOT worry about wrecking your car !?
[url]http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx[/url]
... and check out our forums.
Also: [url]http://www.solo2.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx[/url]
... and check out our forums.
Also: [url]http://www.solo2.com/[/url]
| WagonMonster | 11-17-2005 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Why not just come out and Auto Cross with us and NOT worry about wrecking your car !?
[url]http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx[/url]
... and check out our forums.
Also: [url]http://www.solo2.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Because Auto-X is boring :p
[url]http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx[/url]
... and check out our forums.
Also: [url]http://www.solo2.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Because Auto-X is boring :p
| BlkWRXWag | 11-17-2005 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Because Auto-X is boring :p[/QUOTE]
Only if you suck :devil:
Only if you suck :devil:
| makofoto | 11-17-2005 01:32 PM |
Road Course ... talk about boring! WHAT Do you Do with all that time between corners! Yawn ... :-)
| petawabit | 11-17-2005 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Road Course ... talk about boring! WHAT Do you Do with all that time between corners! Yawn ... :-)[/QUOTE]
I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P
I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P
| BlkWRXWag | 11-17-2005 01:49 PM |
I like to drive my car @ 100%+... you can't do that on a road course (see corvette incident above).
If you like to drive at 70% all the time, then road courses are fun.
If you like to drive at 70% all the time, then road courses are fun.
| vintagemilano | 11-17-2005 02:06 PM |
I would rather be doing anything with my car than playing a game.....
| BlkWRXWag | 11-17-2005 02:08 PM |
[QUOTE=vintagemilano]I would rather be doing anything with my car than playing a game.....[/QUOTE]
Eh... what game?
Eh... what game?
| vintagemilano | 11-17-2005 08:28 PM |
Something attached to a computer or a screen/monitor. I enjoy autocrossing, I've spent time on a road course which is really cool too. Any active use of your car is better than the million or so people that rush home from work to play computer games.
| TygerStile | 11-17-2005 08:50 PM |
[QUOTE=petawabit]I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P[/QUOTE]
:lol: good one Peter.
I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...
:lol: good one Peter.
I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...
| hyp36rmax | 11-17-2005 09:04 PM |
[QUOTE=petawabit]I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P[/QUOTE]
i hate to say this, but peter speaks the truth.... Shhhh just dont flame me when i get my chits and giggles at auto-x.... BUT get my rush and driving creds at the roadcourse ;-) +1000000 brother!
seriously now this is stupid why flame the roadracers? as a motorsport enthusiast it should all be the same and give the driver feedback one way or another, it should just be fun...! sure one may have a preference but mocking another is ridiculous! how but we take on a course with tight corners such as solo2 that goes into a larger course! hahaha im GAME :-)
i hate to say this, but peter speaks the truth.... Shhhh just dont flame me when i get my chits and giggles at auto-x.... BUT get my rush and driving creds at the roadcourse ;-) +1000000 brother!
seriously now this is stupid why flame the roadracers? as a motorsport enthusiast it should all be the same and give the driver feedback one way or another, it should just be fun...! sure one may have a preference but mocking another is ridiculous! how but we take on a course with tight corners such as solo2 that goes into a larger course! hahaha im GAME :-)
| hyp36rmax | 11-17-2005 09:06 PM |
[QUOTE=TygerStile]:lol: good one Peter.
I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...[/QUOTE]
agreed brother! get on aim bish! ha
I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...[/QUOTE]
agreed brother! get on aim bish! ha
| AndrewSS | 11-17-2005 10:07 PM |
bleh... roadcourse driving is fun, sure but I dont feel comfortable pushing hard, hard enough to spin or lose it... whereas autox I can and be fine. That is why autox is better in a way, granted roadcourse is very fun, but it seems that HPDE's can only be soo fun. They are both good in their own ways, but autox is way more competitive of a sport if you get into it whereas trackdays are for fun (if you go for competition, you are going for the wrong reason) and etc thats a core difference. Thats my 2 cents.
| Ride Operator | 11-18-2005 03:28 AM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]bleh... roadcourse driving is fun, sure but I dont feel comfortable pushing hard, hard enough to spin or lose it... whereas autox I can and be fine. That is why autox is better in a way, granted roadcourse is very fun, but it seems that HPDE's can only be soo fun. They are both good in their own ways, but autox is way more competitive of a sport if you get into it whereas trackdays are for fun (if you go for competition, you are going for the wrong reason) and etc thats a core difference. Thats my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
Yep, exactly. I do both... I get amped doing both and both are fun.
AutoX is definately more competitive then an open/practice track day. I put AutoX out there with adult rec sports such as softball, soccer, club cycling or what have you, there's always those out there to win or to beat that person, team, etc. Sure you may tell yourself you're out there for personal improvement, etc., but eventually you hang around long enough and go to enough events you start to be a part of the competition, it's nature, and it's part of that environment. I also play hockey and golf now and again, so AX is not my only outlet for competition. :)
On the other hand track days give me a chance to open up my car a bit, to stretch my legs so to speak, granted I'm probably no where near 10/10ths out there - I still enjoy it. If I have to put a finger on it, it's a personal challenge to drive at your limit (whether it be 6/10ths or 10/10ths) for that given session, 5 laps, 6 laps, or what have you. There's no results sheet to concern yourself about. You do have to remind yourself not to be the one whose car is on that flat bed tow truck at days end, or worse. It's a fact.
Yep, exactly. I do both... I get amped doing both and both are fun.
AutoX is definately more competitive then an open/practice track day. I put AutoX out there with adult rec sports such as softball, soccer, club cycling or what have you, there's always those out there to win or to beat that person, team, etc. Sure you may tell yourself you're out there for personal improvement, etc., but eventually you hang around long enough and go to enough events you start to be a part of the competition, it's nature, and it's part of that environment. I also play hockey and golf now and again, so AX is not my only outlet for competition. :)
On the other hand track days give me a chance to open up my car a bit, to stretch my legs so to speak, granted I'm probably no where near 10/10ths out there - I still enjoy it. If I have to put a finger on it, it's a personal challenge to drive at your limit (whether it be 6/10ths or 10/10ths) for that given session, 5 laps, 6 laps, or what have you. There's no results sheet to concern yourself about. You do have to remind yourself not to be the one whose car is on that flat bed tow truck at days end, or worse. It's a fact.
| AlpineFD | 11-18-2005 04:04 AM |
I drove the red RX7, the one that's loud as a mofo and spitting fire out of exhaust. Anyone took pictures?
| z3coupe | 11-18-2005 05:45 AM |
[QUOTE][B]seriously now this is stupid why flame the roadracers?[/B] as a motorsport enthusiast it should all be the same and give the driver feedback one way or another, it should just be fun...! sure one may have a preference but [B]mocking another is ridiculous![/B] how but we take on a course with tight corners such as solo2 that goes into a larger course! hahaha im GAME :-)[/QUOTE]Well, as USUAL, a so called road racer started it, or did you only read what you want to see? [QUOTE]Because Auto-X is boring
I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P[/QUOTE] And this [QUOTE]i hate to say this, but peter speaks the truth.... Shhhh just dont flame me when i get my chits and giggles at auto-x.... BUT get my rush and driving creds at the roadcourse ;-) +1000000 brother![/QUOTE]Tell me just HOW do you get creds for having a Sunday drive on a road racing course? Are you competing? Nope, its an HPDE, not a real race or a time trial. And if you ARE racing during a HPDE, then you should NOT be out there at all!!!!!!!! YOU would be dangerous to the others around you who are not racing (or even think they are). And what, you can boast that you passed XXXX car on the track - when it might only have been you thinking you are Mario Andretti, yet the other guy was just driving at his own pace (and now maybe you just freaked him!). That gives you cred? That is no better than trying to drag someone on the street who didn't even know he was being raced.
You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.
And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.
But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!
Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history :banana: COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee :devil: :disco:
I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P[/QUOTE] And this [QUOTE]i hate to say this, but peter speaks the truth.... Shhhh just dont flame me when i get my chits and giggles at auto-x.... BUT get my rush and driving creds at the roadcourse ;-) +1000000 brother![/QUOTE]Tell me just HOW do you get creds for having a Sunday drive on a road racing course? Are you competing? Nope, its an HPDE, not a real race or a time trial. And if you ARE racing during a HPDE, then you should NOT be out there at all!!!!!!!! YOU would be dangerous to the others around you who are not racing (or even think they are). And what, you can boast that you passed XXXX car on the track - when it might only have been you thinking you are Mario Andretti, yet the other guy was just driving at his own pace (and now maybe you just freaked him!). That gives you cred? That is no better than trying to drag someone on the street who didn't even know he was being raced.
You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.
And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.
But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!
Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history :banana: COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee :devil: :disco:
| hyp36rmax | 11-18-2005 07:37 AM |
[QUOTE=z3coupe]Well, as USUAL, a so called road racer started it, or did you only read what you want to see? And this Tell me just HOW do you get creds for having a Sunday drive on a road racing course? Are you competing? Nope, its an HPDE, not a real race or a time trial. And if you ARE racing during a HPDE, then you should NOT be out there at all!!!!!!!! YOU would be dangerous to the others around you who are not racing (or even think they are). And what, you can boast that you passed XXXX car on the track - when it might only have been you thinking you are Mario Andretti, yet the other guy was just driving at his own pace (and now maybe you just freaked him!). That gives you cred? That is no better than trying to drag someone on the street who didn't even know he was being raced.
You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.
And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.
But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!
Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history :banana: COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee :devil: :disco:[/QUOTE]
i must have really pissed you off buddy :-) actually i agree with your statements, i started autoxing like many who are on here, and i still enjoy it, in fact i'm getting just as competitive the more i go. and yes by creds i would definetly aim for the top learning more and more as i get further in driving just as i would in school.
i agree HPDE isnt a competitive stance in the first place, in fact shouldnt even be, nor did i even say so :-)
but i wouldnt mind learning new tricks from this old dog sometime, so what do you say? i'm just out here to better myself as a driver and i enjoy BOTH!
i have learned from this and always keep this in mind "Accomplished autox'ers make good road racers, road racers don't make good autox'ers"
You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.
And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.
But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!
Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history :banana: COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee :devil: :disco:[/QUOTE]
i must have really pissed you off buddy :-) actually i agree with your statements, i started autoxing like many who are on here, and i still enjoy it, in fact i'm getting just as competitive the more i go. and yes by creds i would definetly aim for the top learning more and more as i get further in driving just as i would in school.
i agree HPDE isnt a competitive stance in the first place, in fact shouldnt even be, nor did i even say so :-)
but i wouldnt mind learning new tricks from this old dog sometime, so what do you say? i'm just out here to better myself as a driver and i enjoy BOTH!
i have learned from this and always keep this in mind "Accomplished autox'ers make good road racers, road racers don't make good autox'ers"
| z3coupe | 11-18-2005 12:39 PM |
[QUOTE]i must have really pissed you off buddy :-) [/QUOTE][QUOTE]i have learned from this and always keep this in mind "Accomplished autox'ers make good road racers, road racers don't make good autox'ers"[/QUOTE]Not really p'd me off, just once again heard the same old same old = road racers are the elite blah blah blah. WE both are motorsports. Some don't want to progress further into road racing (I knew of one excellent AutoX driver who even admitted he did not want to race at track speeds!), and others (like me) WISH they had the big bucks to go do it, as well as the time to. So the closest I get to it was time trials.
One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun??? :devil: [QUOTE]but i wouldnt mind learning new tricks from this old dog sometime, so what do you say? i'm just out here to better myself as a driver and i enjoy BOTH![/QUOTE]I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.
The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.
One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun??? :devil: [QUOTE]but i wouldnt mind learning new tricks from this old dog sometime, so what do you say? i'm just out here to better myself as a driver and i enjoy BOTH![/QUOTE]I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.
The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.
| hyp36rmax | 11-18-2005 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=z3coupe]Not really p'd me off, just once again heard the same old same old = road racers are the elite blah blah blah. WE both are motorsports. Some don't want to progress further into road racing (I knew of one excellent AutoX driver who even admitted he did not want to race at track speeds!), and others (like me) WISH they had the big bucks to go do it, as well as the time to. So the closest I get to it was time trials.
One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun??? :devil: I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.
The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.[/QUOTE]
agreed! very good points, as far as my history in this its solo2 as a driver and worker, what was stage rally in the US of A as a worker, and trying to get my way into time trials.
are you going to the ESX Subaru Shootout? I'll be there to brush up on my AX, been a while ever since the ROTW AX Demo. Motorsports as a whole is very enjoyable, as long as its in the car as a driver, worker i'm happy, now if i can only afford to do open wheel myself, may take up karting soon though :-)
One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun??? :devil: I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.
The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.[/QUOTE]
agreed! very good points, as far as my history in this its solo2 as a driver and worker, what was stage rally in the US of A as a worker, and trying to get my way into time trials.
are you going to the ESX Subaru Shootout? I'll be there to brush up on my AX, been a while ever since the ROTW AX Demo. Motorsports as a whole is very enjoyable, as long as its in the car as a driver, worker i'm happy, now if i can only afford to do open wheel myself, may take up karting soon though :-)
| narenji | 11-18-2005 12:52 PM |
as long as you're having fun, it doesnt matter what you do. sometimes there's too much drama in autox- trying to get into events esp...
| makofoto | 11-19-2005 12:32 AM |
Hyper ... good to hear that you're planning on going to the Team Blew hosted AX at the ESX Subaru Nationals at Los Angeles County Raceway, Dec. 4th.
You'll find the preliminary course map here: [url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/esx_subaru_nationals/[/url]
Event Flyer: [url]http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm[/url]
You'll find the preliminary course map here: [url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/esx_subaru_nationals/[/url]
Event Flyer: [url]http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm[/url]
| subber | 11-19-2005 12:51 AM |
I was there last weekend! I was in a bone stock 04 wrb wrx. My friend who had a viper was there too. My re92s were on their last few 32nds of an inch so that was the best way for them to finally go and I had a blast. By the end of the day I was pretty much running 'slicks'. :)
| quelegal | 11-23-2005 06:38 PM |
O.K.
This thread got a little out of control. I did not want this thread to turn into a track vs. auto X debating/flaming thing. I just wanted to say wazzup to all the peeps who were there at Streets of Willow Springs. That is all.
About auto X, never done it before, so I have no opinion on it.
About track, driving at the track at these HPDE is about having fun with your car. When you go too crazy (and stupid) on the course, yeah, you could end up like that corvette who flipped over. If you really want to race, these HPDE's aren't for you. Those timed trials are better for you. These events aren't really racing. It's about learning elements about racing and pushing your car NEAR its limits.
Yeah, there are definitely risks in taking your car to the track, but if you start at the beginner group your 1st time at the track, learn from instructors, and SLOWLY build up speed on the track, you should be fine. This is my 5th? 6th? time at Streets of Willow Springs and I've had a blast each time I've gone. I've even driven at this track in the RAIN. Dude, that was fun!!! Yes, I did spin out twice (but I stayed on the track) but I learned what my mistakes were. (Putting rear sway bar on stiffest setting and not being used to oversteer, going too fast on 1st lap, not reading the track elevation change carefully, etc.)
What's pretty cool about these events is that they have experience instructors whom you can ask to sit in your car for FREE advice on how to drive your car on the track, learning about the racing line, braking, shifting, accelerating, being smooth, blah blah blah... I learned A LOT from those instructors. Also, there are elements at the track which aren't available at autoX (like banked turns, changes in elevation etc.) If you're an autoXer and you've never tried driving your car at a track, I would say, give it a chance. My guess is, you'll love it.
These are the companies I go with for track events:
[url]www.speedtrialusa.com[/url]
[url]www.redlinetrackevents.com[/url]
Hope to see you at the track!
Anyone else who was at the track that weekend, please chime in.
-Quelegal
This thread got a little out of control. I did not want this thread to turn into a track vs. auto X debating/flaming thing. I just wanted to say wazzup to all the peeps who were there at Streets of Willow Springs. That is all.
About auto X, never done it before, so I have no opinion on it.
About track, driving at the track at these HPDE is about having fun with your car. When you go too crazy (and stupid) on the course, yeah, you could end up like that corvette who flipped over. If you really want to race, these HPDE's aren't for you. Those timed trials are better for you. These events aren't really racing. It's about learning elements about racing and pushing your car NEAR its limits.
Yeah, there are definitely risks in taking your car to the track, but if you start at the beginner group your 1st time at the track, learn from instructors, and SLOWLY build up speed on the track, you should be fine. This is my 5th? 6th? time at Streets of Willow Springs and I've had a blast each time I've gone. I've even driven at this track in the RAIN. Dude, that was fun!!! Yes, I did spin out twice (but I stayed on the track) but I learned what my mistakes were. (Putting rear sway bar on stiffest setting and not being used to oversteer, going too fast on 1st lap, not reading the track elevation change carefully, etc.)
What's pretty cool about these events is that they have experience instructors whom you can ask to sit in your car for FREE advice on how to drive your car on the track, learning about the racing line, braking, shifting, accelerating, being smooth, blah blah blah... I learned A LOT from those instructors. Also, there are elements at the track which aren't available at autoX (like banked turns, changes in elevation etc.) If you're an autoXer and you've never tried driving your car at a track, I would say, give it a chance. My guess is, you'll love it.
These are the companies I go with for track events:
[url]www.speedtrialusa.com[/url]
[url]www.redlinetrackevents.com[/url]
Hope to see you at the track!
Anyone else who was at the track that weekend, please chime in.
-Quelegal
| quelegal | 11-23-2005 07:04 PM |
What's up AlpineFD? What mods do you have in your RX-7? Which run group were you in? Did you see that orange mazda in group D? (See picture below) That driver is an excellent driver. No, unfortunately, I don't have pics of your car.
What's up subber? Bone stock huh? Yeah, my 1st time at the track, I took my car bone stock too. What color was your car? What run group were you in? So your RE92's are gone... What tires are you going to get? I was using Falken Azenis RT-215's. Love the tires, very sticky, great for track. Unfortunately, that tire model is discontinued. :( The RT-615's are the new ones, but they're expensive! Maybe I'll try some r compound tires when these tires are worn out, it may be about the same price as the RT-615's. Now that you've taken your car to the track, are you going to mod anything?
My 1st suggestion: Lighweight 16 x 7.5 or 16 x 8 rims with 215/45/16 or 225/45/16 sticky tires. Out of all the mods you can do, tires and rims will probably give you the best bang for your buck. I got 5zigen FN01RC 17 x 8 rims, but they're kind of heavy, acceleration & braking seem a bit worse because of the increase in weight and size. (With bigger rims, you got more rotational mass to deal with when you accelerate and brake.) Don't go bigger, go WIDER. Wider rims = wider tires = more tire on the track = more fun at the track! Yeah, that's 1 thing I kind of regret.
Here are some pics from the track:
My WRX:
[url]http://webpages.charter.net/quelegal/streets_willow_springs/11_2005/streets_wrx_small.jpg[/url]
My buddy's RSX Type-S
[url]http://webpages.charter.net/quelegal/streets_willow_springs/11_2005/streets_rsx_small.jpg[/url]
What's up subber? Bone stock huh? Yeah, my 1st time at the track, I took my car bone stock too. What color was your car? What run group were you in? So your RE92's are gone... What tires are you going to get? I was using Falken Azenis RT-215's. Love the tires, very sticky, great for track. Unfortunately, that tire model is discontinued. :( The RT-615's are the new ones, but they're expensive! Maybe I'll try some r compound tires when these tires are worn out, it may be about the same price as the RT-615's. Now that you've taken your car to the track, are you going to mod anything?
My 1st suggestion: Lighweight 16 x 7.5 or 16 x 8 rims with 215/45/16 or 225/45/16 sticky tires. Out of all the mods you can do, tires and rims will probably give you the best bang for your buck. I got 5zigen FN01RC 17 x 8 rims, but they're kind of heavy, acceleration & braking seem a bit worse because of the increase in weight and size. (With bigger rims, you got more rotational mass to deal with when you accelerate and brake.) Don't go bigger, go WIDER. Wider rims = wider tires = more tire on the track = more fun at the track! Yeah, that's 1 thing I kind of regret.
Here are some pics from the track:
My WRX:
[url]http://webpages.charter.net/quelegal/streets_willow_springs/11_2005/streets_wrx_small.jpg[/url]
My buddy's RSX Type-S
[url]http://webpages.charter.net/quelegal/streets_willow_springs/11_2005/streets_rsx_small.jpg[/url]
| makofoto | 11-23-2005 07:40 PM |
If you've never AX before ... you should really take the AX School this weekend @ CA Speedway. I believe 8 of the all women instructor crew are multiple time National SCCA Solo2 champs. There are almost 50 women students ... a number of them are from the Drifting Pretty women's drifting team. They won't be drifting here ... it's all about learning to be very precise, very quickly. You won't have to work the course ... it's an all guy work crew ... just for you! :-)
AX'ing makes for better road racers. Not trying to flame ... it's just such an exacting discipline. It's great practice for doing qualifying laps ... because every AX lap is on the limit racing.
Better sign up right now if you are still interested ... email Renee. Here is the flyer:
[url]http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={DA49B289-8BD2-43D1-9F95-E83124A49CC9}[/url]
Nadine Toyoda is taking the school ... but there are also gals that have never Auto Crossed or raced anything.
[img]http://images6.fotki.com/v1/photos/4/43793/2166174/DriftingPretty-vi.jpg[/img]
AX'ing makes for better road racers. Not trying to flame ... it's just such an exacting discipline. It's great practice for doing qualifying laps ... because every AX lap is on the limit racing.
Better sign up right now if you are still interested ... email Renee. Here is the flyer:
[url]http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={DA49B289-8BD2-43D1-9F95-E83124A49CC9}[/url]
Nadine Toyoda is taking the school ... but there are also gals that have never Auto Crossed or raced anything.
[img]http://images6.fotki.com/v1/photos/4/43793/2166174/DriftingPretty-vi.jpg[/img]
| STi-MAN | 11-23-2005 07:58 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]If you've never AX before ... you should really take the AX School this weekend @ CA Speedway. I believe 8 of the all women instructor crew are multiple time National SCCA Solo2 champs. There are almost 50 women students ... a number of them are from the Drifting Pretty women's drifting team. They won't be drifting here ... it's all about learning to be very precise, very quickly. You won't have to work the course ... it's an all guy work crew ... just for you! :-)
AX'ing makes for better road racers. Not trying to flame ... it's just such an exacting discipline. It's great practice for doing qualifying laps ... because every AX lap is on the limit racing.
Better sign up right now if you are still interested ... email Renee. Here is the flyer:
[url]http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={DA49B289-8BD2-43D1-9F95-E83124A49CC9}[/url]
Nadine Toyoda is taking the school ... but there are also gals that have never Auto Crossed or raced anything.
[img]http://images6.fotki.com/v1/photos/4/43793/2166174/DriftingPretty-vi.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
helllloooo... is this a event only for the ladies?
AX'ing makes for better road racers. Not trying to flame ... it's just such an exacting discipline. It's great practice for doing qualifying laps ... because every AX lap is on the limit racing.
Better sign up right now if you are still interested ... email Renee. Here is the flyer:
[url]http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={DA49B289-8BD2-43D1-9F95-E83124A49CC9}[/url]
Nadine Toyoda is taking the school ... but there are also gals that have never Auto Crossed or raced anything.
[img]http://images6.fotki.com/v1/photos/4/43793/2166174/DriftingPretty-vi.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
helllloooo... is this a event only for the ladies?
| quelegal | 11-23-2005 08:10 PM |
Umm...is the "Ladies School" event is just for the ladies correct? If that's so, I guess I can't go.
| makofoto | 11-24-2005 02:20 AM |
Something made me think you were girlie ... ducking now. :lol:
If you're a guy ... then you want to show up on Sunday, not Saturday:
[url]http://tinyurl.com/dhttd[/url]
If you're a guy ... then you want to show up on Sunday, not Saturday:
[url]http://tinyurl.com/dhttd[/url]
| ferretboy | 11-24-2005 04:22 PM |
Why do you keep hijacking everyone's threads? I just don't get it. you turn almost every thread that you hijack into an argument of AX -Vs. Touge Vs. Track etc. are you gonna come out and bash Autopia at Disneyland in your next hijack? For the love of cars man! get a life!
~Benson yes it's me..now go away
~Benson yes it's me..now go away
| Ride Operator | 11-24-2005 05:02 PM |
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| hyp36rmax | 11-24-2005 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Hyper ... good to hear that you're planning on going to the Team Blew hosted AX at the ESX Subaru Nationals at Los Angeles County Raceway, Dec. 4th.
You'll find the preliminary course map here: [url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/esx_subaru_nationals/[/url]
Event Flyer: [url]http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
thanks for the update mako, just registered, hope to get more entrants in the modified wrx class. ;-)
You'll find the preliminary course map here: [url]http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/solo_ii/esx_subaru_nationals/[/url]
Event Flyer: [url]http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
thanks for the update mako, just registered, hope to get more entrants in the modified wrx class. ;-)
| subber | 12-04-2005 11:17 AM |
Quelegal.. yes i remember seeing your rex. I was in a blue WRX running in the B **cough-beginner-cough** group. Received lot of instructions but was able to run 5 sessions so it was cool and I learned a lot.
Aside from learning that my driving needs a lot of improvement, I also came home with a good idea of how to upgrade my car. I just installed a new set of Michelin PE2s in 225/50/16. I didn't want to go to a 17" because I need the extra sidewall with the local roads I drive on. I plan on getting wider rims maybe 16x8 later on, will definitely save up for lightweight types.
Looking at the photos my friend took at the track, it's pretty evident how much body roll the rex has on the corners. This I gotta fix so I've installed a 22" adjustable rear swaybar. On-road handling is pretty good with the tyres/swaybar upgrade.. I can't wait to go back to willows to really try these out though. Maybe I'll go sometime in January but before I do, I will get the wheels aligned with more front negative camber.
Later on, I'll get bigger front swaybars. Don't have plans for power upgrades yet since the stock motor is plenty for me. At the moment, I am so obsessed with handling.
Aside from learning that my driving needs a lot of improvement, I also came home with a good idea of how to upgrade my car. I just installed a new set of Michelin PE2s in 225/50/16. I didn't want to go to a 17" because I need the extra sidewall with the local roads I drive on. I plan on getting wider rims maybe 16x8 later on, will definitely save up for lightweight types.
Looking at the photos my friend took at the track, it's pretty evident how much body roll the rex has on the corners. This I gotta fix so I've installed a 22" adjustable rear swaybar. On-road handling is pretty good with the tyres/swaybar upgrade.. I can't wait to go back to willows to really try these out though. Maybe I'll go sometime in January but before I do, I will get the wheels aligned with more front negative camber.
Later on, I'll get bigger front swaybars. Don't have plans for power upgrades yet since the stock motor is plenty for me. At the moment, I am so obsessed with handling.
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