| chimchimm5 | 11-02-2006 08:16 PM |
WRC 2006 Mexico - the blocked bridge
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Yes I'm a noob to WRC. Well to motorsports in general. Up till recently, I've only been very casual about following motorsports.
I'm finally watching WRC (and loving it) after finding a source in the USA to watch it. I just watched the Mexico rounds and I have a question...
On day2 I think, there was a deviation from the original course: a bridge was "roped off" and that forced Loeb to stop, be confused for a moment, turn through a water splash, and back up. P Solburg didn't hesitate and smashed through the rope and over the bridge. The Virtual Spectator (euro coverage) showed that this is what allowed Solburg to pass up Loeb in the stage.
This isn't an issue?
Or is it just a "hazard of the rally"?
I'm finally watching WRC (and loving it) after finding a source in the USA to watch it. I just watched the Mexico rounds and I have a question...
On day2 I think, there was a deviation from the original course: a bridge was "roped off" and that forced Loeb to stop, be confused for a moment, turn through a water splash, and back up. P Solburg didn't hesitate and smashed through the rope and over the bridge. The Virtual Spectator (euro coverage) showed that this is what allowed Solburg to pass up Loeb in the stage.
This isn't an issue?
Or is it just a "hazard of the rally"?
| kursplat | 11-02-2006 08:26 PM |
sounds more like a "baja 500" type thing where the inhabitants like to make "obstacles" for the racers
| AruisDante | 11-02-2006 08:29 PM |
There is, as far as I know, no 'set' course for a WRC stage, just a start, finish, and several checkpoints (splits) that you have to go through to get a time. Other then that, you can go wherever the hell you want on the SS's. Obviously, staying on the course has the benefit of speed+less damage to the car, but I've seen someone slide off a cliff, land back on the course at the bottom, and just keep on going. As long as you hit all the check points, you're all set.
| MRF582 | 11-02-2006 08:36 PM |
[QUOTE=chimchimm5;15849120]
On day2 I think, there was a deviation from the original course: a bridge was "roped off" and that forced Loeb to stop, be confused for a moment, turn through a water splash, and back up. P Solburg didn't hesitate and smashed through the rope and over the bridge. [/QUOTE]
Your short term memory must be a bit off. I just watched that clip and Loeb didn't 'stop and back up'. He just came upon the bridge and went through the water splash. Def. did not stop and back up.
On day2 I think, there was a deviation from the original course: a bridge was "roped off" and that forced Loeb to stop, be confused for a moment, turn through a water splash, and back up. P Solburg didn't hesitate and smashed through the rope and over the bridge. [/QUOTE]
Your short term memory must be a bit off. I just watched that clip and Loeb didn't 'stop and back up'. He just came upon the bridge and went through the water splash. Def. did not stop and back up.
| AruisDante | 11-02-2006 08:46 PM |
he meant "back up" as in go back up the bank on the other side of the bridge and onto the course.
| MRF582 | 11-02-2006 08:47 PM |
I see. Well I take that part back then. But I don't recall him stopping.
| chimchimm5 | 11-02-2006 08:54 PM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15849441]he meant "back up" as in go back up the bank on the other side of the bridge and onto the course.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is what I meant. I meant "back up the other side". Loeb did a great job of reacting to this change in the course. I commend him for his action too, as the roped off bridge (actually taped off) looked like someone "dumb ***" spectators would have gathered on to watch the splash.
BTW, since it's just checkpoints, one day there could be some naughty fan who does something like this purposely to mess up a team.
Yes, this is what I meant. I meant "back up the other side". Loeb did a great job of reacting to this change in the course. I commend him for his action too, as the roped off bridge (actually taped off) looked like someone "dumb ***" spectators would have gathered on to watch the splash.
BTW, since it's just checkpoints, one day there could be some naughty fan who does something like this purposely to mess up a team.
| Butt Dyno | 11-02-2006 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE=chimchimm5;15849531]...one day there could be some naughty fan who does something like this purposely to mess up a team.[/QUOTE]Like put rocks in front of Solberg's car...
| chimchimm5 | 11-02-2006 09:03 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15849592]Like put rocks in front of Solberg's car...[/QUOTE]
I *KNEW* it!!!! probably Evo fans...
I *KNEW* it!!!! probably Evo fans...
| OBShahn | 11-02-2006 09:09 PM |
in rally there is a concept called force majeur.
The course is a pre-determined route. On stages you have to get from A - B without using other roads. Whatever happens on the route and how ever a driver chooses to overcome those obstacles are up the the driver.
A famous case is from the Safari where one year a section of road was incredibly rutted. 10 feet to the side of the road was a relatively smoothe field. Almost all of the cars left the road and went through the field so they could go faster.
Force majeur however is more about obstacles and things though. Loeb choosing to obey the banner tape that wasn't supposed to be there is just like a driver slowing severly to go around a big stone. It is a hazard on the road that all drivers must deal with in one way or another. The roads change, things happen, deal with it in the fastest way possible or suffer the consequences.
The course is a pre-determined route. On stages you have to get from A - B without using other roads. Whatever happens on the route and how ever a driver chooses to overcome those obstacles are up the the driver.
A famous case is from the Safari where one year a section of road was incredibly rutted. 10 feet to the side of the road was a relatively smoothe field. Almost all of the cars left the road and went through the field so they could go faster.
Force majeur however is more about obstacles and things though. Loeb choosing to obey the banner tape that wasn't supposed to be there is just like a driver slowing severly to go around a big stone. It is a hazard on the road that all drivers must deal with in one way or another. The roads change, things happen, deal with it in the fastest way possible or suffer the consequences.
| bjorn240 | 11-02-2006 09:44 PM |
It was very very very unclear in the recce roadbook which was the appropriate route to take over that watercrossing. Basically, there was a thin dashed line through the water crossing, and a thick line over the bridge. The bridge was NOT bannered off during recce.
I think the intended interpretation was to go through the watersplash, but that's not how the recce book looked.
I think the intended interpretation was to go through the watersplash, but that's not how the recce book looked.
| bjorn240 | 11-02-2006 09:52 PM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15849261]There is, as far as I know, no 'set' course for a WRC stage, just a start, finish, and several checkpoints (splits) that you have to go through to get a time. Other then that, you can go wherever the hell you want on the SS's. Obviously, staying on the course has the benefit of speed+less damage to the car, but I've seen someone slide off a cliff, land back on the course at the bottom, and just keep on going. As long as you hit all the check points, you're all set.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure where you get that from the FIA rules (or any other rally ruleset for that matter). There is clearly a defined route to be taken on a stage, and shortcutting the route can be a cause for a penalty.
Also, there are no check points in a rally stage. Split times are a television convention, nothing else.
I'm not sure where you get that from the FIA rules (or any other rally ruleset for that matter). There is clearly a defined route to be taken on a stage, and shortcutting the route can be a cause for a penalty.
Also, there are no check points in a rally stage. Split times are a television convention, nothing else.
| AruisDante | 11-03-2006 12:37 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15850233]I'm not sure where you get that from the FIA rules (or any other rally ruleset for that matter). There is clearly a defined route to be taken on a stage, and shortcutting the route can be a cause for a penalty.
Also, there are no check points in a rally stage. Split times are a television convention, nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, maybe I wasn't totally clear. I meant that there is quite a lot of leniency in how far off the course you can go. Of course there's a pre-determined route, otherwise you couldn't have pace notes. This isn't the Bajha 1000. But if you want to "improvise" to get around something, that's perfectly legal, and there aren't time penalties for doing that.
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.
Also, there are no check points in a rally stage. Split times are a television convention, nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, maybe I wasn't totally clear. I meant that there is quite a lot of leniency in how far off the course you can go. Of course there's a pre-determined route, otherwise you couldn't have pace notes. This isn't the Bajha 1000. But if you want to "improvise" to get around something, that's perfectly legal, and there aren't time penalties for doing that.
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.
| davis10 | 11-03-2006 01:14 AM |
loeb didn't really stop, but having to go through the watersplash still was much slower then petter, following his notes and blasting right through the fence. That fence wasn't supposed to be there somebody made a mistake, and thats not really part of rally
And the only time you can get a penalty for going off course in the WRC is when it give you a time advantage.
And the only time you can get a penalty for going off course in the WRC is when it give you a time advantage.
| ryan j | 11-03-2006 01:17 AM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15851841]
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Doesn't happen. The navi-computer thing. Not around here at least, haven't heard about it anywhere else either.
Maybe the guy you're telling this to (who happens to codrive for a factory backed team) has heard of this.
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Doesn't happen. The navi-computer thing. Not around here at least, haven't heard about it anywhere else either.
Maybe the guy you're telling this to (who happens to codrive for a factory backed team) has heard of this.
| lummer shawn | 11-03-2006 01:23 AM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15851841]Sorry, maybe I wasn't totally clear. I meant that there is quite a lot of leniency in how far off the course you can go. Of course there's a pre-determined route, otherwise you couldn't have pace notes. This isn't the Bajha 1000. But if you want to "improvise" to get around something, that's perfectly legal, and there aren't time penalties for doing that.
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.[/QUOTE]
go ahead
argue with a guy who actually races
and was at wrc mexico
im sure you have a pretty extensive background in rally too
colin mcrae 05 maybe? or is it rallisport challenge?
And the splits aren't just for the television. The cars receive the split times on their navi-computer while on the stage, so they're aware of them, and obviously they are used for prediction purposes by the teams.[/QUOTE]
go ahead
argue with a guy who actually races
and was at wrc mexico
im sure you have a pretty extensive background in rally too
colin mcrae 05 maybe? or is it rallisport challenge?
| the_great_blah | 11-03-2006 04:49 AM |
There was talk in australia about a driver getting split times in the car.
It seems entirely plausable that there is some way to transmit splits into the vehicle. Remember, these cars have more money in them then the average rally car (since we are going to be condecending and all...).
It seems entirely plausable that there is some way to transmit splits into the vehicle. Remember, these cars have more money in them then the average rally car (since we are going to be condecending and all...).
| MRF582 | 11-03-2006 05:40 AM |
WRC drivers most def. get split times relayed to them in some form. When they interview drivers at the end of the stage the drivers have reported of being able to adjust their pace on course if they person they are competing against started before them.
| FaastLegacy | 11-03-2006 07:13 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15849592]Like put rocks in front of Solberg's car...[/QUOTE]
Or fans in Monte Carlo throwing snow on the road in the apex of a turn....:mad:
Or fans in Monte Carlo throwing snow on the road in the apex of a turn....:mad:
| AlbaScoob | 11-03-2006 07:22 AM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15849261]There is, as far as I know, no 'set' course for a WRC stage, just a start, finish, and several checkpoints (splits) that you have to go through to get a time. Other then that, you can go wherever the hell you want on the SS's. Obviously, staying on the course has the benefit of speed+less damage to the car, but I've seen someone slide off a cliff, land back on the course at the bottom, and just keep on going. As long as you hit all the check points, you're all set.[/QUOTE]
:confused: :confused: :confused:
brilliant
:confused: :confused: :confused:
brilliant
| bjorn240 | 11-03-2006 07:24 AM |
Sure, co-drivers get splits radioed to them or displayed on the dash. No one suggested otherwise.
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.
| Howl | 11-03-2006 08:58 AM |
Okay then - hypothetical situation - Say there is a piece of stage road where at one point the road makes an oxbow type shape. In other words it has a series of bends that takes it around in a loop and bring it back to a point fairly close to where it was before (R3 50 L2 long 50 R3). But there is a shortcut between the two close points (the two R3's), maybe down a private road or through a field, that will take 10 or 20 seconds off. If someone were to take the short cut, would this be considered cheating, or is that fair game?
[IMG]http://server3.uploadit.org/files/nhibbert-Bend2.jpg[/IMG]
In other words at what point can a cut corner be penalized?
[I](I know this doesn't apply to the Mexico case as there was ambiguity in the notes)[/I]
[IMG]http://server3.uploadit.org/files/nhibbert-Bend2.jpg[/IMG]
In other words at what point can a cut corner be penalized?
[I](I know this doesn't apply to the Mexico case as there was ambiguity in the notes)[/I]
| bjorn240 | 11-03-2006 09:26 AM |
You've basically described the delta at LSPR. Assuming a competent organizer, the road would be bannered or blocked, of course, but under RA rules, there are explicit penalties for shortcutting the course, and under FIA rules, the infraction would be reported to the stewards and they would levy a penalty if it was determined that the competing crew drew an unfair advantage. But basically, if you run through banner tape AND gain an advantage, you might expect to be hauled in front of the stewards. No banner tape, and no competitive advantage, you're probably ok.
Of course, if there was a private road there, with no banner tape or blocking, then the crews would reasonably assume on the recce that the shortest path from the start to the finish. In that case, they'd all take it.
Of course, if there was a private road there, with no banner tape or blocking, then the crews would reasonably assume on the recce that the shortest path from the start to the finish. In that case, they'd all take it.
| OBShahn | 11-03-2006 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=ryan j;15852129]Nope. Doesn't happen. The navi-computer thing. Not around here at least, haven't heard about it anywhere else either.
Maybe the guy you're telling this to (who happens to codrive for a factory backed team) has heard of this.[/QUOTE]
Too slow on my part!
Just a mis-understanding in symantics it seems
Maybe the guy you're telling this to (who happens to codrive for a factory backed team) has heard of this.[/QUOTE]
Too slow on my part!
Just a mis-understanding in symantics it seems
| M. Hurst | 11-03-2006 09:46 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15853182]
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.
| fliz | 11-03-2006 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15853945]
Of course, if there was a private road there, with no banner tape or blocking, then the crews would reasonably assume on the recce that the shortest path from the start to the finish. In that case, they'd all take it.[/QUOTE]
I heard a story once, not sure where, about a European competitor coming to a NA Rally and having an issue with a case like this.
I believe it was an open field inside a corner during recce, and he noted it as a valid "cut" on the corner.
When the rally came, that corner was bannered off as a spectator area...and his "cut" didn't work out so well.
I wish I could remember when or where it occurred.
Of course, if there was a private road there, with no banner tape or blocking, then the crews would reasonably assume on the recce that the shortest path from the start to the finish. In that case, they'd all take it.[/QUOTE]
I heard a story once, not sure where, about a European competitor coming to a NA Rally and having an issue with a case like this.
I believe it was an open field inside a corner during recce, and he noted it as a valid "cut" on the corner.
When the rally came, that corner was bannered off as a spectator area...and his "cut" didn't work out so well.
I wish I could remember when or where it occurred.
| SlideWRX | 11-03-2006 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=fliz;15854603]I heard a story once, not sure where, about a European competitor coming to a NA Rally and having an issue with a case like this.
I believe it was an open field inside a corner during recce, and he noted it as a valid "cut" on the corner.
When the rally came, that corner was bannered off as a spectator area...and his "cut" didn't work out so well.
I wish I could remember when or where it occurred.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3942&highlight=spectators+cut+recce[/url]
The story from Specialstage.com.
Tom
I believe it was an open field inside a corner during recce, and he noted it as a valid "cut" on the corner.
When the rally came, that corner was bannered off as a spectator area...and his "cut" didn't work out so well.
I wish I could remember when or where it occurred.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3942&highlight=spectators+cut+recce[/url]
The story from Specialstage.com.
Tom
| bjorn240 | 11-03-2006 10:37 AM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15854148]Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.[/QUOTE]
Vrooooooooooooom-BROING!-Vrooooooooooom!
That is exactly what I was thinking too! At Wild West, each time we pass a radio control or spectator point, I am going to yell "BROING!" or "Checkpoint!" Travis will have no idea what's going on, but it'll make for funny in-car.
- Christian
Vrooooooooooooom-BROING!-Vrooooooooooom!
That is exactly what I was thinking too! At Wild West, each time we pass a radio control or spectator point, I am going to yell "BROING!" or "Checkpoint!" Travis will have no idea what's going on, but it'll make for funny in-car.
- Christian
| AruisDante | 11-03-2006 12:18 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15853182]Sure, co-drivers get splits radioed to them or displayed on the dash. No one suggested otherwise.
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sorry, that was very poorly worded.
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15854148]Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.[/QUOTE]
Uh.... actually, they are marked.
[QUOTE=lummer shawn;15852175]go ahead
argue with a guy who actually races
and was at wrc mexico
im sure you have a pretty extensive background in rally too
colin mcrae 05 maybe? or is it rallisport challenge?[/QUOTE]
Try Team O'Neal, for a 3 day session, and back again for a 4 day one sometime this winter hopefully. While that certainly doesn't qualify as actual racing experience, I'm not just a couch rally driver. And again, my argument that I had with him was over the poor wording of my statement.
Oh, and in either of those two games if you go far enough off the course it resets you back onto it, so I don't know how that would change anyone's idea of how you could navigate the course :rolleyes:
What I was telling you was that there are no intermediate "checkpoints" that you have to go through on a rally stage, as you suggested in post #3.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sorry, that was very poorly worded.
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15854148]Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.[/QUOTE]
Uh.... actually, they are marked.
[QUOTE=lummer shawn;15852175]go ahead
argue with a guy who actually races
and was at wrc mexico
im sure you have a pretty extensive background in rally too
colin mcrae 05 maybe? or is it rallisport challenge?[/QUOTE]
Try Team O'Neal, for a 3 day session, and back again for a 4 day one sometime this winter hopefully. While that certainly doesn't qualify as actual racing experience, I'm not just a couch rally driver. And again, my argument that I had with him was over the poor wording of my statement.
Oh, and in either of those two games if you go far enough off the course it resets you back onto it, so I don't know how that would change anyone's idea of how you could navigate the course :rolleyes:
| M. Hurst | 11-03-2006 12:55 PM |
[QUOTE=AruisDante;15856300]
Uh.... actually, they are marked.
[/QUOTE]
:confused: ?
Uh.... actually, they are marked.
[/QUOTE]
:confused: ?
| fliz | 11-03-2006 01:24 PM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15856825]:confused: ?[/QUOTE]
I believe he's saying the split time points are marked. From the in-car coverage I've watched this year, I agree.
What he doesn't realize is the split times are not official, or used for any scoring purposes.
They are informational, designed to help fans follow the stage, and used by teams to gain a competitive advantage.
They are not required, and AFAIK, a team would not be penalized for missing one. Although, they may be penalized for going significantly off-route in doing so.
I believe he's saying the split time points are marked. From the in-car coverage I've watched this year, I agree.
What he doesn't realize is the split times are not official, or used for any scoring purposes.
They are informational, designed to help fans follow the stage, and used by teams to gain a competitive advantage.
They are not required, and AFAIK, a team would not be penalized for missing one. Although, they may be penalized for going significantly off-route in doing so.
| fliz | 11-03-2006 01:32 PM |
[QUOTE=SlideWRX;15854687][url]http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3942&highlight=spectators+cut+recce[/url]
The story from Specialstage.com.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link...I knew it had to be here or SS that I'd read it.
I almost forgot...there was a corner at Ojibwe that a couple of teams missed, and probably gained time doing so. I don't think any of them did it on purpose, and nobody was penalized.
2:30 in on this video:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4655339955615219169[/url]
The story from Specialstage.com.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link...I knew it had to be here or SS that I'd read it.
I almost forgot...there was a corner at Ojibwe that a couple of teams missed, and probably gained time doing so. I don't think any of them did it on purpose, and nobody was penalized.
2:30 in on this video:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4655339955615219169[/url]
| Morison | 11-03-2006 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;15857317]Thanks for the link...I knew it had to be here or SS that I'd read it.
I almost forgot...there was a corner at Ojibwe that a couple of teams missed, and probably gained time doing so. I don't think any of them did it on purpose, and nobody was penalized.
2:30 in on this video:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4655339955615219169[/url][/QUOTE]
If I recall corectly the rally in that ling was in Australia, not north america.
I almost forgot...there was a corner at Ojibwe that a couple of teams missed, and probably gained time doing so. I don't think any of them did it on purpose, and nobody was penalized.
2:30 in on this video:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4655339955615219169[/url][/QUOTE]
If I recall corectly the rally in that ling was in Australia, not north america.
| fliz | 11-03-2006 02:13 PM |
[QUOTE=Morison;15857917]If I recall corectly the rally in that ling was in Australia, not north america.[/QUOTE]
OK. That makes more sense. I don't think a NA rally (not Mexico WRC) has seen 12K spectators at one location in...well forever.
OK. That makes more sense. I don't think a NA rally (not Mexico WRC) has seen 12K spectators at one location in...well forever.
| RichardM | 11-03-2006 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15854148]Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.[/QUOTE]
LOL! Mike quit confusing the ACEs over here.
LOL! Mike quit confusing the ACEs over here.
| AlbaScoob | 11-03-2006 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15854148]Yes there is..they are marked with big signs across the road that say "checkpoint"..if you get to the checkpoint fast enough, you get to keep going...otherwise you have to put another quarter in.[/QUOTE]
brilliant
brilliant
| AruisDante | 11-03-2006 05:22 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;15857193]I believe he's saying the split time points are marked. From the in-car coverage I've watched this year, I agree.
What he doesn't realize is the split times are not official, or used for any scoring purposes.
They are informational, designed to help fans follow the stage, and used by teams to gain a competitive advantage.
They are not required, and AFAIK, a team would not be penalized for missing one. Although, they may be penalized for going significantly off-route in doing so.[/QUOTE]
No, I do realize that. As I said, I was being dumb when I said that.
And many times they're designated by large yellow circles :p
What he doesn't realize is the split times are not official, or used for any scoring purposes.
They are informational, designed to help fans follow the stage, and used by teams to gain a competitive advantage.
They are not required, and AFAIK, a team would not be penalized for missing one. Although, they may be penalized for going significantly off-route in doing so.[/QUOTE]
No, I do realize that. As I said, I was being dumb when I said that.
And many times they're designated by large yellow circles :p
| bemani | 11-03-2006 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Howl;15853696]Okay then - hypothetical situation - Say there is a piece of stage road where at one point the road makes an oxbow type shape. In other words it has a series of bends that takes it around in a loop and bring it back to a point fairly close to where it was before (R3 50 L2 long 50 R3). But there is a shortcut between the two close points (the two R3's), maybe down a private road or through a field, that will take 10 or 20 seconds off. If someone were to take the short cut, would this be considered cheating, or is that fair game?
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In other words at what point can a cut corner be penalized?
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That looks like the time when Marcus rolled down the hill, land right side up and drove off! :banana: No he didn't get penalize. :D
[IMG]http://server3.uploadit.org/files/nhibbert-Bend2.jpg[/IMG]
In other words at what point can a cut corner be penalized?
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That looks like the time when Marcus rolled down the hill, land right side up and drove off! :banana: No he didn't get penalize. :D
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